Podcast

Beyond Biology

Health & Fitness, Life Sciences, Medicine, Science

This MIT Learn podcast connects high-level research and the human heart with Mary Ellen Wiltrout as the host. The show features world-class experts with a unique dual perspective: a deep scientific understanding of a disease and a personal connection to the health topic. Listeners will gain a foundational understanding of the science underlying research of complex health subjects, from cancer to infection to personalized medicine while learning about the people behind scientific research. The Beyond Biology podcast offers inspirational lessons of perseverance, empathy, and the power of a growth mindset. By exploring the individual story and their expertise, the podcast demonstrates how health and individual career journeys transform the way we approach scientific discovery. At MIT, Mary Ellen Wiltrout, PhD is a Senior Lecturer and Director of Online and Blended Learning Initiatives in Biology and Academic Director, DELTA Science and Academic Lead of Universal Biology in Open Learning.

Episodes
7
Releases
Monthly
Typical length
46 min
On air since
2026
Latest episode
1 day ago

Episodes

7 episodes, newest first

  1. Living With Bipolar Disorder: A Real Story of Mental Health, Hidden Disability and Hope with Darcy Gordon

    Episode 7

    Show notes

    In this MIT Learn Beyond Biology episode, MIT Lecturer in Biology, Darcy Gordon, speaks about living with bipolar disorder with the host, Mary Ellen Wiltrout. Darcy shares how she navigated treatment and disclosure through school and the workplace, motivating the building of more inclusive learning environments. Darcy discusses how personal experience shaped her scientific curiosity and commitment to helping students feel welcome, while emphasizing that disclosure is always a personal choice. Enjoy this pilot episode of the Beyond Biology show, although we released the recording later. Darcy Gordon, PhD, is the Lecturer in Blended Learning and Online Initiatives, Department of Biology and Open Learning, MIT.

    Resources

    Video of this Beyond Biology episode on MIT Learn

    7.03.3x Genetics: Population Genetics and Human Traits on MIT Learn

    See more of Darcy's work on the Pulse Shorts on MIT Learn

    • Darcy describes experiencing depression and mood changes in adolescence, receiving a bipolar II diagnosis, and learning to recognize hypomania symptoms such as insomnia, racing thoughts, grandiosity, and risky behavior.
    • Her sister recognized how serious things had become and urged their parents to seek help; stigma made it difficult for Darcy to be candid with clinicians at first.
    • School and college brought uneven support: understanding high school teachers, limited counseling capacity in college, and a period without therapy despite ongoing medication.
    • Darcy explains that bipolar disorder has no cure and that treatment is focused on managing symptoms.
    • She recounts contrasting professor responses when she disclosed her diagnosis, and recommends beginning with appreciation, asking what support is useful, and avoiding intrusive demands for details.
    • Her academic path moved from organismal biology research on crickets to a PhD studying ants, then toward education after teaching and mentoring became especially meaningful.
    • At MIT, Darcy experienced imposter syndrome and uncertainty about the disability disclosure checkbox in a job application, reflecting the vulnerability involved in sharing a hidden disability.
    • Darcy discusses genetic association research and the complexity of mental illness, including genetic, environmental, and contextual contributions; she hopes for more targeted treatments.
    • Her inclusive teaching work treats students’ lives beyond the classroom as relevant to creating welcoming, accessible learning environments.
    • Darcy stresses that openness can reduce isolation, but nobody owes anyone their story, and disclosure may not be safe in every setting.

    Timestamp Highlights

    00:00 The fear and uncertainty of disclosing a hidden disability

    02:15 A childhood curiosity for life sciences and learning

    06:01 Adolescent depression, symptoms, and getting a diagnosis

    11:11 What hypomania looked like in daily life

    16:09 College transitions and gaps in mental health support

    21:57 Lifelong treatment and the diabetes comparison

    24:18 Two very different reactions to disclosure

    30:28 How biology made the science of the brain personal

    33:24 From cricket research to studying ant societies

    38:30 Teaching, mentorship, and finding a career in education

    41:06 Applying to a job at MIT and confronting the disability checkbox

    44:19 Imposter syndrome and learning to trust others’ judgment

    48:00 What genetic studies can and cannot tell us about bipolar disorder

    52:04 Darcy choosing to share her story at MIT

    58:04 Inclusive teaching and recognizing students’ full lives

    01:00:05 What Darcy would tell her younger self

    01:01:24 Disclosure is personal, and safety comes first

    Keywords

    Darcy Gordon, bipolar disorder, mental health, disability disclosure, higher education, inclusive teaching, MIT, science education

    1 hr 4 min
  2. Personalized Medicine, Diabetes, and AI with Dimitris Bertsimas

    Episode 6

    Show notes

    In this MIT Learn Beyond Biology episode, MIT professor Dimitris Bertsimas joins Mary Ellen Wiltrout to share how advances in data and AI are helping healthcare move beyond one-size-fits-all treatment. Dimitris discusses how operations research, AI, and patient data could help make medicine more personal with a focus on diabetes care. Dimitris shares how family experiences shaped his healthcare research, including work using electronic medical records to help personalize diabetes treatment. He also explains how genomic data could support earlier intervention, why sharing anonymized health data matters, and how AI might help clinicians make decisions without replacing their judgment. The conversation ranges from optimizing Panama Canal operations to the future of personalized medicine and lifelong learning. Dimitris Bertsimas is the Vice Provost for Open Learning, the Associate Dean of Online Education and Artificial Intelligence, Sloan, and the Boeing Professor of Operations Research.

    Key Topics

    • What operations research is: Dimitris defines operations research as a scientific approach to designing, improving, and optimizing systems, with applications ranging from transportation to healthcare.
    • A real-world optimization example: He recounts how modeling helped improve vessel scheduling and throughput at the Panama Canal.
    • Why healthcare became a focus: The experiences of losing his father to gastric cancer and his mother to diabetes deepened his commitment to healthcare research.
    • Personalizing diabetes care: His team worked with long-term electronic medical records to study how treatment combinations could be tailored to individual patients.
    • The role of genomics: Dimitris discusses research into beta cell decline and the potential to identify diabetes risk earlier.
    • His view of AI: He distinguishes analytics using structured data from AI approaches that can work with unstructured data, such as text and images.
    • Why data sharing matters: He explains how anonymized patient data can support research while removing identifying details.
    • AI in emergency departments: His group is piloting systems that combine triage notes and patient records to provide clinicians with a differential diagnosis and test suggestions.
    • AI as clinical support: Dimitris emphasizes that AI should advise and assist; physicians remain responsible for decisions.
    • Lifelong learning: He reflects on adapting to new fields and shares how MIT Open Learning serves learners at different stages of life.

    Timestamps

    00:00 Why medicine is still largely not personalized

    01:13 What operations research means

    02:15 Using optimization to improve Panama Canal operations

    04:10 How family experiences led Dimitris toward healthcare research

    05:53 Why diabetes became a personal and research priority

    06:29 Type 2 diabetes and approaches to managing the disease

    09:10 Studying long-term diabetes records

    10:08 Using patient history to guide treatment choices

    11:03 Early AI research in personalized diabetes care

    12:24 Studying beta cell decline with genomic research

    13:47 Dimitris’ distinction between analytics and AI

    15:47 What personalized or precision medicine means

    16:45 A personal story illustrating why cancer treatment can affect patients differently

    18:22 How continuous glucose monitoring informs Dimitris’ own diabetes management

    20:44 Why sharing anonymized health data can advance research

    23:09 How anonymization works

    24:47 Generative AI pilots for emergency department diagnosis support

    26:15 Using AI to suggest diagnoses and tests for physician review

    27:13 Reported effects on emergency department stays and insurance test rejections

    28:44 Why AI should advise rather than make medical decisions

    30:38 Dimitris’ five-year outlook for personalized medicine

    33:03 Adaptiveness, impact, and continuous learning

    35:29 Applying ideas through entrepreneurship and iteration

    36:51 MIT Open Learning and lifelong learning resources

    Resources

    Video of this Beyond Biology episode on MIT Learn

    Universal AI on learn.mit.edu

    7.00x Introduction to Biology course on learn.mit.edu

    Dimitris Bertsimas Lab Website

    40 min
  3. The Heart of a Scientist with Alan D. Grossman

    Episode 5

    Show notes

    MIT biology professor Alan D. Grossman shares the story of his medical crisis that began with unexpected lightheadedness on campus in 2002 and led to a heart transplant in 2006. The conversation traces the medical details of sarcoidosis, heart failure, immunosuppression, and recovery, while also showing how Alan kept teaching, mentoring, and leading through it all. After listening, you will gain a broader appreciation of resilience, rare disease research, and the life-saving impact of organ donation. Mary Ellen Wiltrout guides the story from diagnosis to transplant to leadership during the pandemic, with Alan reflecting on what changed in his work, priorities, and perspective.

    Resources

    Video of this Beyond Biology episode on MIT Learn

    Alan Grossman's faculty profile

    Key topics

    • Alan Grossman explains why his heart does not race when he gets nervous.
    • He shares the day his health changed in July 2002.
    • The initial diagnosis was heart block, which led to a pacemaker.
    • Grossman discusses sarcoidosis, a rare inflammatory autoimmune disease that in his case attacked only the heart.
    • He describes trying immunosuppression and anti-inflammatory treatment.
    • As symptoms advanced, he developed heart failure.
    • He explains how transplant candidacy depends not only on medical severity but also on support systems, infection risk, and the ability to survive the demanding post-transplant period.
    • Grossman walks through how heart transplant surgery is physically straightforward but medically complex because rejection prevention is the real challenge.
    • He explains the role of antibodies and cell markers in the immune system’s response to a transplanted organ.
    • He recounts waiting more than a year for a heart, including one false alarm before the actual transplant offer in 2006.
    • He describes the immediate post-op period, including high-dose steroids, hallucinations, pain, and a broken rib discovered later on an X-ray.
    • He reflects on returning to work, rebuilding his lab, restarting teaching, and later helping create the microbiology graduate program at MIT.
    • He talks about how surviving severe illness made him both more patient and less patient in different ways, and more willing to focus on what he can control.
    • He explains leading the biology department during the pandemic and why his own long experience with immunosuppression shaped his caution around COVID.
    • The episode closes with a direct call to register as an organ donor and to make those wishes known to your family.

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Why a transplanted heart does not respond to nerves

    00:31 - Introducing Alan D. Grossman and the heart transplant story

    01:37 - Living with a denervated transplanted heart

    02:29 - The first symptoms on a hot day walking to work

    04:11 - Heart block, ambulance ride, and pacemaker placement

    05:39 - What a pacemaker does and why the diagnosis was not a heart attack

    06:32 - Diagnosing sarcoidosis and the mystery of organ-specific autoimmune disease

    08:09 - Why a scientist wants to understand a rare disease

    09:24 - Immunosuppression, inflammation, and why treatment did not stop progression

    12:37 - From early normal life to heart failure symptoms

    13:39 - The strict low-sodium and low-fluid strategy

    14:18 - Why transplant became necessary

    15:37 - What transplant candidacy requires beyond medical need

    17:05 - Why transplant surgery is simple on paper but hard biologically

    18:09 - How the immune system recognizes a donated heart as foreign

    19:06 - Post-transplant immunosuppression and long-term medication

    20:25 - Waiting for a heart and the role of arrhythmia and defibrillator support

    21:35 - What a defibrillator shock feels like

    23:27 - Months in the hospital and staying connected to work

    24:30 - Lab meetings from home and mentoring during illness

    25:32 - Focusing on what can still be controlled

    27:30 - The false alarm before the real heart became available

    28:29 - The transplant day and why he could not eat

    29:35 - Antibodies, compatibility, and the call that the heart was his

    30:42 - Steroids, hallucinations, and the rough early recovery

    31:18 - Pain, a broken rib, and the weeks after surgery

    32:17 - Going home, returning to MIT, and rebuilding the lab

    34:18 - Realizing he could create a microbiology graduate program

    35:37 - How severe illness changed patience, perspective, and administration

    37:22 - Becoming department head after first trying to avoid the role

    39:21 - The department’s shift toward online learning during COVID

    40:31 - Why the pandemic’s early work-from-home shift was easier than returning

    42:42 - Leading through uncertainty by emphasizing communication and connection

    44:27 - A message on organ donation and transplantation

    45:11 - How to register as an organ donor in the United States

    47 min
  4. How Parasites Are More Common Than You Think with Sebastian Lourido

    Episode 4

    Show notes

    Description

    Discover the fascinating world of parasites and their complex relationships with humans through an insightful conversation with Sebastian Lourido, a molecular parasitologist at MIT. This MIT Learn Beyond Biology episode goes into the diversity of parasites and how they infect humans, with a focus on Toxoplasma gondii but not leaving out Cyclospora. The discussion includes insights on the cutting-edge tools that scientists use to understand parasites. Sebastian also shares the story of his own encounter with the parasite that he now studies and how he thinks about science from his artistic perspective.

    Resources

    • The video of this episode at learn.mit.edu
    • Learn more about cell biology courses at learn.mit.edu
    • Sebastian Lourido's Lab at MIT

    Key Topics

    • What are parasites? Definitions, types, and their relationship with hosts
    • The diversity of parasites: from tiny cells and worms to insects and their transmission methods
    • How parasites like Toxoplasma gondii and malaria impact human health globally
    • The life cycle of Toxoplasma and its ability to persist silently in the body
    • Advances in genetic tools, focusing on CRISPR, revolutionizing parasite research
    • Potential for new therapies based on understanding parasite biology
    • The intersection of art and science: Sebastian’s unique journey combining visual arts and biology

    Timestamps

    00:00 - The significance of parasite infections and their prevalence

    02:00 - Defining parasites: from general organisms to clinical pathogens

    04:10 - The diversity within parasites: from insects to single-celled eukaryotes

    06:33 - Unique biological adaptations of parasites in harsh environments

    08:01 - Common parasitic infections: soil-transmitted worms, Toxoplasma, malaria, and Chagas disease

    10:24 - How water and food contribute to parasite transmission

    13:11 - Deep dive into Toxoplasma gondii: global prevalence and health effects

    15:33 - Personal story: contracting toxoplasma after traveling in France

    19:14 - Risks of toxoplasma during pregnancy and effects on the fetus

    22:33 - Why Toxoplasma is considered a neglected tropical disease

    25:30 - Challenges in diagnosing parasitic infections in the US

    29:49 - How parasites invade host cells: unique mechanisms of Toxoplasma

    36:56 - Tools and techniques: the impact of CRISPR on parasitology research

    42:14 - Resistance challenges and the importance of understanding parasite genetics

    43:13 - The intersection of art and science: Sebastian’s background and approach to research

    47:03 - Varieties of scientific inquiry: discovery versus analytical approaches

    48:30 - Visual communication in science and Sebastian’s artistic influence

    49:58 - Resources for further exploration and academic opportunities at MIT

    51 min
  5. The Fundamentals of Understanding Cancer Genetics with Summer Morrill

    Episode 3

    Show notes

    Description

    In this episode of the MIT Learn Beyond Biology podcast, Dr. Summer Morrill, a high school biology teacher with deep roots in cancer genetics from her PhD work at MIT, unpacks the complex topic of cancer. Summer shares how her personal family history shaped her interest in the field, why cancer is not one disease, and how fundamental biology research helps explain everything from DNA repair to tumor suppression in humans.

    This conversation is both scientifically rich and deeply human. This episode represents the reality that cancer research is not only about cells and mutations, but also about families, mentorship, resilience, and the ongoing search for answers. Learn more about biology and genetics at learn.mit.edu.

    Resources

    • 7.00x Introductory Biology course from learn.mit.edu
    • Video of this episode on MIT Learn

    Key Topics

    • Why having the BRCA1 gene is usually a misunderstanding
    • How inherited mutations can increase cancer risk
    • Why cancer is not a single disease
    • What the cell cycle is and how the process can go wrong
    • The difference between oncogenes, tumor suppressors, and DNA repair genes
    • How genetic testing and counseling can be empowering
    • Why yeast is such a powerful model organism in cancer research
    • What haploinsufficiency means and why it matters
    • How curiosity, failure, and mentorship shape scientific discovery
    • Why cancer research requires many different disciplines working together

    Takeaways

    Summer explains that cancer often develops through a combination of mutations, environmental exposure, and the body’s own normal processes of cell division and DNA repair. She also highlights why the idea of a simple cure is misleading: cancer involves many pathways, many tissues, and many biological checks and balances. A major theme of the conversation is balance. Too little activity in a gene can be harmful, but too much can also cause problems. Summer’s research on haploinsufficiency showed that the body’s systems are more delicate and interconnected than they first appear. The episode also emphasizes the value of curiosity and mentorship. From her professors to her advisor to her mentor, Professor Angelika Amon, Summer’s path shows how the right people at the right time can shape a scientific career.

    41 min
  6. Inside the Cell: Why Pathogens are the World’s Best Cell Biologists with Becky Lamason

    Episode 2

    Show notes

    Description

    Understanding how bacteria evade our immune systems and cause disease is vital for developing better treatments and diagnostics. In this MIT Learn Beyond Biology episode, MIT professor Becky Lamason shares her insights on bacterial pathogens, their interaction with human cells, and the future of infectious disease research. This discussion reveals not only the complexity of microbes but also how innovative science can uncover new paradigms in host-pathogen interactions. Stay to the end to learn more about Becky’s personal path to the lab.

    Resources

    • MIT Learn online cell biology courses
    • Video of this episode
    • MIT Department of Biology Profile of Becky Lamason

    Key topics

    • How bacterial pathogens break the rules of survival and adaptation
    • Examples of bacterial infections and the dangers they pose, such as Listeria, Rickettsia, Salmonella, and Vibrio
    • The unique strategies bacteria use to invade and persist inside human cells
    • The difference between bacterial, viral, fungal, and parasitic pathogens
    • Antibiotic resistance: development, implications, and the importance of proper use
    • How bacterial size and shape compare to human cells
    • Mechanisms of bacterial entry into cells via force or protein tricks
    • The obligate dependence of certain bacteria like Rickettsia on living inside host cells
    • The tick transmission cycle and how bacteria jump from vectors into humans
    • Cell-to-cell spread of bacteria and the importance of intracellular movement
    • The role of modern tools—genetics, microscopy, genome editing—in understanding pathogen biology
    • Future directions: expanding research to environmental vectors, developing broad-spectrum diagnostics, and leveraging new technologies

    Timestamps

    00:00 The unpredictability of pathogens and their survival strategies

    00:24 Introduction to Becky Lamason and the importance of bacterial pathogens

    01:08 Common bacterial pathogens and infections in daily life

    01:33 Food recalls and bacterial contamination in the environment

    02:13 Focus on Listeria monocytogenes and clinical implications

    02:41 Other bacteria like Rickettsia and their deadly potential

    03:15 Symptoms of spotted fevers caused by Rickettsia

    03:20 The range of bacterial disease symptoms and severity

    04:01 Categorizing pathogens: bacteria, viruses, fungi, and parasites

    04:28 Bacteria’s size relative to other microbes and complexity

    05:04 The diversity within bacterial pathogens and their unique features

    05:20 Treatment options for bacterial infections and antibiotic sensitivity

    05:48 Antibiotic resistance: evolution, biology, and clinical impact

    06:26 Practical advice: importance of completing antibiotic courses

    08:02 The analogy of pathogens as cell biologists and their survival tactics

    08:41 Bacteria’s ability to break rules of host cell biology

    11:25 Comparing bacterial size to human cells; visualization of scale

    12:19 How bacteria enter human cells through force or mimicry

    12:33 The dependency of certain bacteria on living inside host cells

    15:28 Transmission cycles involving ticks and environmental reservoirs

    17:28 Mechanisms of bacterial cell spreading and invasion strategies

    19:00 The concept of acute infection phases and bacterial proliferation

    20:14 The ultimate goal of bacteria: replication and dissemination

    21:28 Safety measures in the lab working with pathogenic bacteria

    23:33 Connecting basic research to clinical applications and diagnostics

    25:09 The power of microscopy and visual data in understanding infection

    27:38 Memorable discoveries and unexpected breakthroughs in the lab

    29:28 Future tech: genome editing, large-scale genetic analysis, and new directions

    31:33 The significance of bacteria targeting host cell organelles like ER and nuclei

    33:01 Becky’s journey, switching questions and embracing multidisciplinary work

    35:41 Building community and embracing the unknown in scientific research

    37:25 From high school curiosity to MIT professor: Becky’s personal story

    39:56 Balancing real-world jobs and academic pursuits

    42:12 The future of bacterial research: new tools and broader applications

    44:02 Final thoughts and encouragement to explore and collaborate

    45 min
  7. Unlocking Brain Plasticity: Treating Blindness in India with Pawan Sinha

    Episode 1

    Show notes

    In this episode, MIT Professor Pawan Sinha delves into the science of vision, brain plasticity, and the transformative power of scientific innovation in addressing global health challenges. Discover how research on early visual deprivation has shaped our understanding of neural development, and explore the inspirational journey of his nonprofit, Project Prakash, transforming lives in India.

    Key Topics

    • The historical context of the 1981 Nobel Prize on critical periods in vision development
    • The mechanisms of visual processing in the brain, as discovered by Hubel and Wiesel
    • The role and surprising findings from the monocular deprivation studies in kittens
    • How William James' description of a newborn's sensory experience relates to visual development
    • The personal story of Darius, Professor Sinha's son, and its impact on his research
    • The global challenge of childhood blindness, especially in India, and the potential for treatment
    • The surgical process and scientific opportunities provided by early intervention in cataract cases
    • The experimental insights into how dynamic perception plays a crucial role in visual development
    • The founding, achievements, and ongoing work of Project Prakash over the past 21 years
    • The educational impact of immersive global experiences for MIT students in India
    • A discussion on autism, sensory sensitivities, and the link with visual processing differences
    • The importance of challenging received wisdom and embracing scientific curiosity for advancing knowledge

    Timestamps

    0:01 Pawan Sinha’s background and the Nobel Prize-era roots of vision research

    0:51 Hubel and Wiesel, kittens, and the critical period for visual development

    4:21 Why vision remains one of science’s biggest unsolved problems

    6:02 Recording the world through baby Darius’s eyes

    8:28 The India trip that changed the direction of the lab

    11:05 How childhood blindness is estimated and why cataracts matter

    12:31 What cataracts look like and how pediatric surgery works

    14:15 Why restoring sight became both a medical and scientific opportunity

    17:26 Building Project Prakash with MIT and NIH support

    21:01 Early signs that children benefited after cataract surgery

    22:26 Testing visual function after surgery

    23:48 Why overlapping objects were so hard for newly sighted children

    25:41 Motion as the cue that helps the brain separate objects

    27:28 Why motion is an early-developing ability in infants

    28:18 Project Prakash by the numbers

    30:56 MIT students visiting India through MISTI’s Global Classroom Program

    32:20 Students realizing basic research can address urgent problems

    35:32 What autism is and how it is commonly described

    38:35 Overfragmentation and similarities between autism and newly sighted children

    40:31 Motion, temporal information, and the hypothesis behind the autism work

    42:07 Why catching a ball depends on prediction, not just reaction

    44:04 Science as a challenge to received wisdom at MIT

    46:10 Closing reflections and where to learn more

    Resources

    Video version of this Beyond Biology episode

    MIT Learn: MIT’s hub for a growing collection of lifelong learning experiences

    Project Prakash: To learn about Pawan Sinha's ongoing work in India

    46 min

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