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Brave Little State

From Vermont Public Radio Places & Travel, Society & Culture

What if you could decide what stories Vermont Public should be covering, before they're even assigned? That's the idea behind Brave Little State.

Places & Travel chart
#94
Episodes
225
Releases
Every two weeks
Typical length
25 min
On air since
2016
Latest episode
1 week ago

Episodes

225 episodes, newest first

  1. A very Vermont Halloween

    Show notes

    Spooky season is upon us – witches, werewolves … Wampahoofuses? Gather ‘round the campfire with us as we explore some of the creepy, mysterious and otherworldly questions our listeners have asked us over the years.

    For the full experience, we recommend listening to this episode with headphones.

    Thanks to today’s question-askers: Zachary West, Lauren Huffman and Mischa Tourin.

    Click here for photos and a full episode transcript.

    Hang out with us in Bennington! Click here for tickets.

    More from Brave Little State:

    • Your Vermont Ghost Stories: A Halloween Special From Brave Little State
    • The Bennington Triangle: How 5 mysterious disappearances developed a cult following online
    • From apple pie to ... ticks? 20 of your Vermont questions, answered

    This episode was reported by Sarah Bokelberg. Editing and production from the rest of the BLS team: Josh Crane, Sabine Poux and Burgess Brown. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Halloween theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Jack Vorster, Phil Edfors, Bob Furst, Inge Schaefer and Katherine Noiva.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

    • Ask a question about Vermont
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    32 min
  2. Weighers of coal, high bailiffs and other oddities of local government

    Show notes

    Election Day is less than a month away. You’ve probably thought about the big races on your ballot. But what about the ones near the bottom of the page? And what about all those obscure positions appointed after Town Meeting Day?

    Today, we’re answering your questions about some of Vermont’s more under-the-radar positions in town and county government: high bailiffs, justices of the peace, fence viewers and weighers of coal.

    Thanks to today’s question-askers: Sarah Heim of Richmond, Peter Booth of Jericho and Megan Smeaton of Colchester.

    Click here for photos and a full episode transcript. And here for a comprehensive guide to the upcoming election.

    Hang out with us in Bennington! Click here for tickets.

    More from Brave Little State:

    • What do Vermont constables do, anyway?
    • Who oversees Vermont’s county sheriffs?

    This episode was reported by Sabine Poux. Editing and production from the rest of the BLS team: That’s Burgess Brown and Josh Crane. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions and Crowander.

    Special thanks to Liam Elder-Connors, Jay Furr, Jennifer Harlow and the many town clerks we contacted for this episode.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    28 min
  3. What’s the deal with Vermont’s fire towers? (Encore)

    Show notes

    Wesley Davis grew up in the woods of Mount Holly. But there was always one place where he could get high above the trees: the fire tower on top of nearby Ludlow Mountain. He’s been curious to learn more about the history of these remote towers scattered across Vermont peaks ever since.

    In this episode from 2023, reporter Sabine Poux searches for answers and arrives at the doorstep of a couple that found a lifetime of artistic inspiration as fire tower lookouts in southern Vermont.

    For photos from our reporting, and a map of fire towers around the state, check out the web post for this episode.

    This episode was reported by Sabine Poux. Editing and additional production from the rest of the BLS team: Burgess Brown and me, Josh Crane. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Angela Evancie is our executive producer. Theme music is by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Mark Haughwout, Ron Kemnow, Peter Hayes, Alan Thompson, Keegan Tierney, Prudence Doherty, Juls Sundberg and Liam Elder-Connors. And thanks to Danielle Kovacs and the Robert S. Cox Special Collections and University Archives Research Center at the University of Massachusetts for finding the copy of Visitors, Hugh Joudry’s radio play.

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    32 min
  4. Is private equity taking over Vermont’s veterinary market?

    Show notes

    McKayla Baker has two dogs, Casey and Nettles, who for years she took to the same local veterinary clinic — until a few years ago, when she noticed changes like extra fees and recommendations for expensive treatments.

    She found out that the clinic she thought was still independently owned had been acquired by a big corporation backed by private equity. That got her wondering:

    To what extent has private equity quietly consolidated Vermont's veterinary market? And what are the primary hidden risks for pet owners like me?

    Click here for photos and a full episode transcript.

    Update 9/16/26: Before publication, we contacted McKayla’s vet to give them an opportunity to respond to the concerns she raised in the story. The practice didn’t respond until after publication. They did not address the specific treatment decisions McKayla described, but said while the practice is part of a larger network, clinical decisions remain with its local veterinarians and care teams — and added that being part of a network provides additional resources and treatment options.

    Further resources:

    • SEARCH:Private Equity Vet
    • SEARCH:Independent Vet
    • LISTEN: "Loving Their Pets to Debt," from The Daily
    • LISTEN: "Should You Trust Private Equity to Take Care of Your Dog?" from Freakonomics Radio
    • LISTEN: "A pro-worker experiment in private equity," from NPR's Planet Money
    • READ:Plunder: Private Equity's Plan to Pillage America, by Brendan Ballou

    This episode was reported by Josh Crane. Editing and production from the rest of the BLS team: That’s Burgess Brown and Sabine Poux. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Zoe McDonald and Francis Wong, Kathleen Lanphear, Pam McCann, and Kim and Scott Martin.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    28 min
  5. Our 9th Annual Brief History of Vermont Road Names

    Show notes

    Vermont is home to tons of peculiar road names. Every year, you nominate your favorites — and we crisscross the state looking for answers. Dive right into our exploration of Green Dolphin Drive in South Burlington. Wade into the origin story of Butternut Gutter in Arlington. And crack open our investigation of Old Shincracker Lane in Baltimore (and, yes, that’s Baltimore, Vermont).

    If you’re craving even more weird road name stories, explore all eight previous installments in this annual road names series. You can also submit your favorite road name for consideration in the future!

    Also – get a wicked cool limited-edition BLS Road Names tote bag by supporting our work for $10/month. Click here to get started.

    This episode was reported by Burgess Brown, Sarah Bokelberg and Josh Crane. It was produced and edited by Sabine Poux. Angela Evancie is Brave Little State’s Executive Producer. Our theme music is by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Mikaela Lefrak, Karen Jamiel, Maddison Potter, Al Farrington, Missy Marcell, Rick Hecht, Amanda Gustin, Steve Picazio, Gail Weisse, Sandy Rich, Carla Westine, Andy Kolovos, Theo Avent, Ellen Clattenburg, Josh Morse, Marla Krueger, Dale Bergdahl and Katie Dixon.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

    • Ask a question about Vermont
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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    49 min
  6. Behind the mic

    Show notes

    Today, instead of chasing down leads and crisscrossing the state to satisfy your curiosity about one Vermont story or another, we’re going to indulge your curiosity about the show itself.

    A few months ago, the BLS team welcomed friends and fans to Northern Stage in White River Junction for an event we called “Behind the Mic with Brave Little State.” We lifted the hood on how we make the show, dissected all-time favorite episodes and answered questions from the audience. We even revealed a mortifying “blooper” (eek!).

    We had a great time, so we decided to share a (lightly condensed and edited) recording from the event with all of you!

    To mark a decade of BLS, we’re releasing a limited edition tote bag! It features original art with some of our favorite Vermont road names from episodes past. To get one, support our work for $10/month. Click here to get started.

    Sign up for our (free) newsletter to get updates about future events.

    This episode was edited and produced by the BLS team: Burgess Brown, Sabine Poux and Josh Crane. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg and our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons.

    Special thanks to Amy Zielinski, Jason Smoller, Joshua Davis, Milena Zuccotti, Rachel Thomeer and everyone who joined us for a special evening at Northern Stage.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

    • Ask a question about Vermont
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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    50 min
  7. What’s the story behind Bethel’s famous white granite?

    Show notes

    Bethel, Vermont is home to a rare geological treasure: a brilliant granite that’s often described as the whitest in the world. The stone has been quarried there for generations and sent as far as Paris and Abu Dhabi. Two local residents want to know: Why is this stone found in Bethel, of all places? And is it found anywhere else?

    Thanks to Bennett Law and Owen Daniel-McCarter for the great questions. Click here for photos and a full episode transcript.

    For more on granite in Vermont, here are some suggested resources:

    • Vermont Stones/Italian Bones (2016) by Bill Johansen, published by the Bethel Historical Society
    • A three-part series about the Woodbury Granite Company by Paul Wood in The Chronicle of the Early American Industries Association, 2021
    • “How has the geology of Vermont affected its character?” (Brave Little State, 2017)
    • “Meet Giuliano Cecchinelli, Barre's last Italian stone carver” (Vermont Public, 2023)

    This episode was reported by Sabine Poux. Editing and production from the rest of the BLS team: That’s Burgess Brown and Josh Crane. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Gail Wiese, Timothy Rath, Laurie Grigg and Denise Guilmette.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    22 min
  8. Twelve hours at the Village Scoop

    Show notes

    Last year, a listener question inspired us to spend 12 whole hours at a park-and-ride lot in Richmond. This year, we posted up at another Vermont mainstay – a popular ice cream shop near the beaches of Lake Champlain, in Colchester.

    The Village Scoop is the kind of place where, if you stay put long enough, you can watch a whole Vermont summer unfold in one day. So, we arrived hours before the shop opened and stayed long after the last customer was served.

    During our marathon day there, we got a real taste of Vermont summer at its peak, in all its sweltering, melting glory.

    Click here for the web version of this episode, including photos and a full transcript.

    This episode was reported and produced by Josh Crane, Sabine Poux and Burgess Brown. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Our Executive Producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; Other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Catherine Hurley, Scott Waterman, Chelsea Blais, Hannah Smiley, Emma Foss and Meg Hershman.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

    • Ask a question about Vermont
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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    40 min
  9. The Birthday Party: America at 250

    Show notes

    You might have heard that the U.S. turns 250 this year. It’s a big, corporate to-do — the phrase “America 250” is plastered all over baseball hats and bags of potato chips.

    But what do Americans really make of this anniversary? The historian Jill Lepore and audiomaker Sophie Crane wanted to find out. They sent reporters all across the country, from California to Louisiana to Vermont, to listen to what people had to say about it.

    This piece is part of a project called The Listeners, an experiment in hyperlocal documentary storytelling from the Transom Story Lab.

    You can find the Transom post here and the New Yorker Radio Hour presentation here.

    Reporting by Eve Abrams in Louisiana, Scott Carrier and Jenny Ament in Utah, Erica Heilman in Vermont, Yohance Lacour in Illinois and David Weinberg in California. It was produced by Sophie Crane. Mix and sound design by Josh Crane with music from Matthias Bossi and Jon Evans of Stellwagen Symphonette.

    Special thanks to Jay Allison, Jen Jerrett and David Krasnow.

    The Brave Little State team is Josh Crane, Sabine Poux and Burgess Brown. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

    • Ask a question about Vermont
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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    27 min
  10. Why does Vermont send people to an out-of-state prison?

    Show notes

    Right now, there are around 150 Vermonters behind bars in Tutwiler, Mississippi.

    Question-asker Devon Kurtz is wondering: Why does the state send these men to a private prison more than a thousand miles away — especially since there's a vacant prison in Windsor, Vermont?

    Click here for the web version of this episode, including photos and a full transcript. And read an in-depth dispatch from Liam’s visit to Tutwiler here.

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    This episode was reported by Liam Elder-Connors. Editing and production from Sabine Poux, Burgess Brown, Alicia Freese and Josh Crane. Our intern is Sarah Bokelberg. Angela Evancie is our Executive Producer. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Zoe McDonald, Catherine Hurley and Tom Marsh.

    This episode was made possible with support from the Vermont Public Journalism Fund.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    30 min
  11. Why are there so many twins in Sheldon?

    Show notes

    There’s a saying that twins are “in the water” in the town of Sheldon. Our journey to get to the bottom of this curious bit of local lore takes us from a dairy farm in Franklin County to a university in Amsterdam and back.

    Thanks to the amateur investigators who aided us along the way, and to Ellen Stanley, our winning question-asker. She’s wondering:

    “I live next to a community — Sheldon, Vermont — that has so many twins. Are twins really 'in the water'? What might cause this over generations?”

    Click here for the web version of this episode, including photos and a full transcript.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    22 min
  12. A day with Bradford’s bottle-sorting wiz

    Show notes

    Inside a cavernous redemption warehouse in the Upper Valley, customers come to exchange bottles and cans for coins — and to see bottle-sorter Teera “Sweet T” Paye.

    We visited thanks to a question from Kevin Donohue of Thetford. He asked,“Who redeems bottles and cans in Vermont? Why are there so few places to do so?”

    Click here for photos and a full episode transcript. And here to sign up for the BLS newsletter!

    This episode was reported by Burgess Brown. Editing and additional production from Sabine Poux and Josh Crane. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Catherine Hurley and Marcie Gallagher.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    24 min
  13. Vermont’s love-hate relationship with fast food

    Show notes

    People love to highlight Vermont “firsts” — like, how we’re the first state to ban billboards and to approve civil unions. Or how we’re first in the nation in maple syrup production and number of craft breweries per capita.

    Gary Gulka, of Cabot, wants to know: Where is Vermont ranked dead last?

    As we waded through a sea of last-place statistics, one stood out to us more than any other. Satisfy your cravings (hint hint) and tune in to learn more.

    Thanks to Gary for the great question. Click here for photos and a full episode transcript.

    This episode was reported by Sabine Poux. Editing and production from the rest of the BLS team: That’s Burgess Brown and Josh Crane. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Kari Anderson, Bobby Lussier, Mikaela Lefrak, Jon Ehrens, Zoe McDonald, Phil Edfors, Shawn Harrington, Barbara Baraw, Hank Lambert, Michael Moser and everyone on Reddit who responded to our callout for fast food stories.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    21 min
  14. Why are self-storage facilities popping up all over Vermont?

    Show notes

    We all accumulate lots of … stuff. Increasingly, we’re cramming more of that stuff into self-storage facilities: those fields of metal lockers, arranged in neat, industrial rows.

    Join us as we explore the stuff — and stories — we usually keep stored away.

    Thanks to Chris Robbins of Middlebury for the great question.

    JOIN US! We’re headed to Northern Stage in White River Junction to give fans a behind-the-scenes look at the show. We hope to see you there.

    Click here for photos and a full episode transcript.

    This episode was reported by Mikaela Lefrak. Editing and production from Sabine Poux, Josh Crane and Burgess Brown. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Carly Berlin.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    25 min
  15. What's the story behind the asbestos mine in Eden?

    Show notes

    This is a tale about what happens when a toxic industry booms and busts, the mess that’s left behind and the fight over how to clean it up.

    Thanks to Morgan Pratt, Ann Fano and Carol Fano for the great questions.

    You can find the web version of this story here.

    JUST ANNOUNCED: Join us in April in White River Junction for a behind-the-scenes look at the show!

    This episode was reported by Burgess Brown. Editing and additional production from the BLS team: Sabine Poux and Josh Crane. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Abagael Giles, Matt Kierstead, Gary Lipson, Dr. Arti Shuckla, Marjorie Gale and Kyle Casteel.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    27 min
  16. Who are Vermont’s volunteer firefighters, and why do they do it?

    Show notes

    Fire departments across the country are struggling to find volunteers. But in Norwich, new recruits are lining up.

    We spent a weekend at the firehouse to find out why.

    You can find the web version of this story here.

    This episode was reported by Josh Crane. Additional editing and production from Burgess Brown and Sabine Poux. Angela Evancie is our executive producer. Ty Gibbons composed our theme music; other music from Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Camila Van Order Gonzales, Alex Warner, Chris Pike, Prescott Nadeau, Gerald Levesque, Ronald Morse and Michael Skaza.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    21 min
  17. When is it safe to go ice fishing on Lake Champlain?

    Show notes

    Ice is unavoidable during winter on the Champlain Islands. Surrounded on all sides by an icy expanse, islanders embrace this seasonal terrain — as a place to walk the dog, to skate and to fish.

    One North Hero resident sees trucks of ice fishermen driving out onto the lake and wants to know: How do they know when it's safe?

    You can find the web version of this story here. For ice fishing guidance from the state of Vermont, head here.

    Thanks to David Erich, of North Hero, for the great question.

    This episode was reported and produced by Sabine Poux. Additional editing and production from Burgess Brown and Josh Crane. Angela Evancie is our executive producer. Ty Gibbons composed our theme music; other music from Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Kevin White and Andy Julow.

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    23 min
  18. What do Vermont counties actually do?

    Show notes

    Vermont has among the weakest forms of county government in the United States, placing a big burden on towns. Is there a better way forward?

    You can find the web version of this story here.

    Thanks to everyone who submitted questions about counties, including Gary Novosel of Addison County, Paul Hochanadel of Chittenden County and Michael Moser of Lamoille County.

    This episode was reported by Howard Weiss-Tisman and produced by Burgess Brown. Editing and additional production from Josh Crane and Sabine Poux. Angela Evancie is our executive producer. Ty Gibbons composed our theme music; other music from Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Becca Golden, Alicia Freese, Catherine Hurley, Ted Brady, Cheryl Morse, Dona Brown, Chris Campany, Austin Davis, Carolyn Partridge, Grant Reynolds, Joyce McKeema and Peter Gregory.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    22 min
  19. Who controls the deployment of the Vermont National Guard?

    Show notes

    The Vermont National Guard usually takes orders from the state. But at the end of 2025, President Trump deployed the Vermont guard to the Caribbean — and Gov. Scott said he had no control over the president’s orders.

    It gave this question from a listener newfound relevance:

    “Who controls the deployment of the Vermont National Guard if orders from the federal government and the state are in conflict?”

    You can find the web version of this story here.

    For more about the Vermont guard, check out this 2010 VPR series, which covered some of the 1,500 Vermonters who were deployed to Afghanistan.

    This episode was reported and produced by Sabine Poux and Josh Crane. Editing and additional production from Burgess Brown. Our executive producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Special thanks to Michael Bosworth, Jill Lepore, Mikaela Lefrak, Jon Ehrens, Alicia Freese, April McCullum, Peter Hirschfeld, Peter Teachout, Steve Zind and Zoe McDonald.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    Brave Little State is a production of Vermont Public and a proud member of the NPR Network.

    21 min
  20. Off the Path: Where the Appalachian Trail began

    Show notes

    Today, the origin story of the Appalachian Trail, which stretches more than 2,000 miles from Maine to Georgia. But it was a peak in southern Vermont that inspired the idea of the trail in the first place.

    Thanks to one of our favorite podcasts, Off the Path, for sharing this story with us. Here’s a link to the original web post.

    For more stories from the trail, check out our episodes, “What’s it like to hike the Long Trail?” and “What’s the deal with Vermont’s fire towers?”

    This episode was reported and produced by Davis Dunavin at WSHU Public Radio. The Brave Little State team is Josh Crane, Sabine Poux and Burgess Brown. Our Executive Producer is Angela Evancie. Theme music by Ty Gibbons; Other music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    As always, our journalism is better when you’re a part of it:

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    14 min