Podcast
Contractor Evolution
Breakthrough Academy presents Contractor Evolution.
In this show we unpack the systems, tactics, and skills you need to take your fast-growing contracting business to the next level.
If you’re here to learn what it takes to scale up, work less, and increase profitability, you’ve come to the right place.
Stay tuned to learn what separates the new breed of contractor from the old school, and welcome to your ultimate guide to the business of contracting.
- Episodes
- 296
- Releases
- Weekly
- Typical length
- 57 min
- On air since
- 2021
- Latest episode
- 6 days ago
Episodes
296 episodes, newest first
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1 hr 46 min
296. How $10M Contractors Keep Crews Busy All Winter (Roundtable) - Mason Marquis, Joe Kelly, Toby Woodiwiss, Luke Hansen
Season 6, Episode 296
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP296
Get the free templates from this session here: https://trybta.com/DL296
Winter is the season most contractors brace for. These four have stopped bracing.
This is the replay of our October Marketing and Sales Roundtable, where Danny sat down with three painting contractors running between $5 and $10 million and the founder of CompanyCam.
Joe Kelly went from $3.5 million to $10 million in three years at JK Paint in Portland, and he keeps all ten crews working through December and January.
Mason Marquis runs one of the largest residential painting companies in Dallas, and his winter discount season produced a better gross margin than his busy season.
Toby Woodiwiss has been building Woodiwiss Painting in California since 2004, holds a net promoter score of 100, and runs at 46% gross profit. Luke Hansen founded CompanyCam after years in roofing.
Here is what they talk about:
• The numbers each of them watches weekly, and why every one of them named booked appointments as the earliest warning sign
• How to tell the difference between passive and active lead sources
• Which levers you can actually pull when flow dries up.00:00-Intro
04:25-Meet the Panelists
17:06-Signs of Broken Sales Process
28:34-Winter Playbook & Data Tracking
48:18-Off-Season Crew Tactics
1:03:07-Turning Leads to Booked Work
1:28:22-Final Advice
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38 min
295. How Contractors Get Better Pricing From Their Suppliers - Rhydon Atzenhoffer
Season 6, Episode 295
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP295
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL295
There are two levers that move gross profit on a job: labor and materials.
Most contractors only pull one.
Materials feel fixed. The supplier sends a price, you pay it, and that's the end of it.
But what if it wasn't?
Prices and terms are negotiable, and your ability to have that conversation shows up in your cash flow and your bottom line.
Rhydon Atzenhoffer has been on both sides of the counter.
Contractor for many years, supply side now. And host of the HVAC R&D Podcast.
Today he walks through how to find the right supplier, how to get the best price, and how to build a relationship that pays off for both of you.
Check out the HVAC R&D Podcast here: https://www.hvacrnd.com/
00:00-Intro
03:35-Distribution Misconceptions
05:29-Choosing the Right Distributor
12:03-Securing Lines of Credit
18:42-Navigating Price & Value
28:29-Streamlining Job Production
34:01-Final Advice
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41 min
294. Subcontractors or Employees: What’s The Better Model? - Jacob Toler
Season 6, Episode 294
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP294
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL294
On the surface, a subcontractor model seems like a good idea.
That’s what Red Branch Construction business owner Jacob Toler thought. Higher margin, lower overhead.
It worked great for him, until it didn’t.
His reputation was unremarkable. His margins were thinning out. Lack of accountability almost toppled the business.
And so, Jacob made a massive change that took him from negative profit to a healthy 8.5% net profit.
He cut the subcontractors, restructured his office team, and hired four crews in just five months.
If you’ve ever wondered whether you should switch from subs to employees or vice versa, then today’s episode will give you a great perspective.
00:00-Intro
02:05-Initial Subcontractor Model
06:47-The Warning Signs & Near-Collapse
15:28-Transitioning to In-House Employees
21:28-Recruiting & Vetting Processes
27:59-Subs vs Employees Model Analysis
35:28-Checklist for Business Model Evaluation
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1 hr
293. Why Do So Many Contractors Hate Their Business? - Spencer Sheinin
Season 6, Episode 293
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP293
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL293
Learn more about Spencer and Entreprenutcases: https://entreprenutcases.com/
Talk to enough contractors and you hear the same sentence.
"This isn't fun anymore."
Sometimes it comes from the guy who is grinding to make payroll. But just as often it comes from the guy whose business is finally working, who has the trucks and the team and the margin, and who feels absolutely nothing about any of it.
Spencer Sheinin has seen both versions up close. He is a CPA, the founder of Shift Financial, and the author of Entreprenumbers. He has owned businesses since 2000, across four companies and 300 employees, and he spent roughly twenty years running work that was never really connected to him.
He is now writing a book called Entreprenutcases based on interviews with owners who found real meaning in their businesses and the ones who lost it along the way.
In this episode, Spencer and Danny dig into why the business stops being fun. The grind that only works for so long. The moment survival is handled and the fight disappears. And what Spencer calls robot mode, the programming that keeps us chasing bigger and faster instead of better.
Then he gets practical. Three archetypes of purpose-driven businesses, two questions every owner needs to answer, and the formation moments in your own history that point to the answer.
Danny gets into his own version of it too, including the year he quit painting to fly helicopters and what that taught him about being underwhelmed.
Fair warning: Spencer is not here to convince anybody. If money is the whole point for you right now, he says that is fine, and he will be around when it stops being enough.
Spencer is offering free live coaching on his own podcast to help owners find their purpose. Learn more at https://entreprenutcases.com/
00:00-Intro
04:39-Root Causes of Disconnection
09:56-Recognizing Signs of Burnout
22:20-Three Archetypes of Meaning
29:21-Money vs Authentic Purpose
36:22-Finding Personal Purpose
48:02-Organizational Impact of Alignment
52:46-Practical Steps for Entrepreneurs
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45 min
292. How To Build A Company Brain With NotebookLM - Grant Fuellenbach
Season 6, Episode 292
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
Get a copy of our AI Guide For Contractors and learn the 4 highest leverage AI workflows for trades businesses: https://trybta.com/DL292
Get Grant’s free Claude skills for your business here: https://skillmatch.zite.so/
Most contractors are drowning in AI options.
New tools every week. New features buried inside the tools you already pay for. No clear answer on which ones are worth your time.
Grant Fuellenbach implements project management systems for contracting companies at GoFirst Consulting, and he uses AI to do it faster. He also hosts the Beyond the Bid podcast.
So we asked him a simple question: what should a contractor actually be using right now?
His answer was three tools, and two of them are free.
Grant walks us through NotebookLM (he calls it the underserved GOAT), Prompt Cowboy, and Claude Cowork. Then he actually walks through the work, with examples: a company brain built from SOPs and training videos, an estimate pulled together from a photo and a few measurements, and an SEO audit that runs on a schedule without him touching it.
If you have ever lost a night to an AI rabbit hole and come out with nothing, start here.
Find Grant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantfuellenbach or reach him at https://gofirstconsulting.com/
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP292
00:00-Intro
01:49-AI in Contracting & Workflows
10:01-NotebookLM & Second Brain
21:59-Prompt Cowboy & Efficiency
25:50-Claude Co-Work & Automations
31:23-Demo of NotebookLM
38:45-Final Recommendations
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1 hr
291. How To Implement AI Without Losing Your Mind [For Contractors] - Tyler Folkman
Season 6, Episode 291
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP291
Get a copy of our AI Guide For Contractors and learn the 4 highest leverage AI workflows for trades businesses: https://trybta.com/DL291
Tyler Folkman has been working in the AI space for nearly twenty years.
You read that right. While most of us were just getting used to having a website, Tyler was working on next level technology.
Today, he’s the Chief AI Officer at JobNimbus. He helps provide roofers with the tech they need to make operations quicker, easier and more profitable.
Here’s why we wanted him on the show:
Many of you are starting to incorporate AI into your business.
The result is that we end up wasting a ton of time going down rabbit holes that lead nowhere, maybe even putting our information at risk along the way.
Today, Tyler is walking us through a clear roadmap to using AI to build systems once, properly, so you can power your business with good processes and accurate data.
And if you’re not a roofer, don’t worry.
Everything we discuss today is relevant to any business owner in the trades.
Subscribe to Tyler’s AI newsletter here: https://www.tylerfolkman.ai/
00:00-Intro
04:08-Contractor AI Adoption
13:30-Practical Workflows & Estimating
22:16-CRM AI Integrations
30:08-Managing Data Security Risks
40:25-Staying Current with AI
49:22-Future of AI in Contracting
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1 hr 4 min
290. What Happens When You Sell To Private Equity? - Tyler Goodhue
Season 6, Episode 290
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP290
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL290
There's a lot of noise about selling to private equity in the trades right now. Some of you may even be considering this as your exit strategy.
But how much do you REALLY understand what’s involved in arguably one of the biggest decisions of your life?
Our guest today Tyler Goodhue has been involved in the acquisition of over 200 businesses, primarily in the trades, and he's here to discuss the part nobody talks about publicly.
What actually creates value, what quietly destroys it, and how to avoid settling for a bad deal.
Today, he’s walking us through what actually happens when you decide to sell to private equity. The whole process: the good, the bad and the ugly.
00:00-Intro
02:27-Why Private Equity Loves Trades
08:04-P.E. Acquisition Strategy
11:58-Factors Driving Company Valuation
24:57-Evaluating Owner Reliance Risks
38:20-Common Seller Misconceptions
46:07-Key Contract Deal Terms
53:48-Planning an Optimal Sale
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50 min
289. How To Dominate AI Search Results (For Home Services) - Phil Risher
Season 6, Episode 289
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP289
Get a free contractor Lead Source Attribution template and example here: https://trybta.com/DL289
While contractors and construction business owners are busy scrambling to get our websites ready for AI search, Phil Risher is asking a much bigger question: Will your website even matter in 3 years?
Phil is a digital marketing specialist who works exclusively with contractors.
He's been watching in real time as AI search puts an end to everything we thought we knew about modern marketing.
Traffic is dwindling. SEO is changing. And websites... well, they might be dying.
Instead, Phil says AI agents will dominate contractor digital marketing strategies in just a few years.
In today's episode, Phil shares his predictions, what they mean for the construction industry, and what you need to start building today to survive the next decade.
00:00-Intro
02:03-Recent AI Shifts
03:41-Changing Website Traffic
07:32-Measuring Marketing Success
12:43-Gathering Customer Data
24:25-Building Trusted Brands
31:38-Evolving Ad Landscape
34:56-Selecting Right Agencies
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57 min
288. The REAL Impact Of AI in Construction [And How To Prepare] - DJ Carroll
Season 6, Episode 288
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP288
When ChatGPT released in 2022, we all knew the start of a new era in tech was coming.
But we couldn't possibly comprehend just how much our industry was about to change.
Although robotics are a few years away from replacing field labor, pretty much every other area of a contracting business has been totally disrupted.
Today, I've brought on DJ Carroll, a former contractor known for scaling home service companies through disciplined AI and automation, to share his opinions on where the industry is now, where it's headed, and the skills and concepts we HAVE to understand if we want our businesses to survive what he calls the next industrial revolution.
This is not a philosophical conversation. DJ gives some real, actionable advice any contractor can implement in the next week.
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Learn more about DJ Carroll: https://carroll.media/about/
00:00-Intro
04:12-Hype Versus Reality
08:28-AI Adoption & Memory Capacity
19:43-Marketing Use Cases
28:32-Building AI Ads
34:50-Adopting Voice Services
40:17-Creating Company SOPs
45:23-Upcoming AI Advancements
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1 hr 19 min
287. How To Run Projects Like a $34M Contractor - Caleb George, Scott Kelley, Jordan Coolidge
Season 6, Episode 287
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To get the Project Management resource bundle, click here: https://trybta.com/DL287
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP287
Caleb George produces $34M in projects with just three project managers.
Scott Kelley’s team can run a million dollar project without asking him a single question.
What do these two builders have in common? Exceptional project management systems.
In this roundtable discussion, I sat down with Caleb George of Chris George Custom Homes, Scott Kelley of Evolution Design Build, and Jordan Coolidge from Buildertrend to break down the difference between projects that run profitably without owner involvement and projects that require constant firefighting to cross the finish line.
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Caleb and Scott are Breakthrough Academy Members who have worked with their coaches and contractor community group to achieve exceptional results. To learn more about becoming a Breakthrough Academy Member, click here: https://trybta.com/EP287
Check out Buildertrend: https://buildertrend.com/
Learn more about Chris George Custom Homes: https://www.chrisgeorgecustomhomes.com/
Learn more about Evolution Design Build: https://evobuildgroup.com/
00:00-Intro
07:37-Biggest Contractor Issues
09:59-Broken Process Signs
15:38-Defining PM Roles
26:18-Implementing Balanced Accountability
35:49-Optimizing Project Communication
57:51-Streamlining Planning Capacity
1:12:11-Advice for Contractors
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1 hr 3 min
286. $7M Playbook: Build A Profitable Landscaping Company - Riley Rivers
Season 6, Episode 286
Show notes
Book an implementation call and join thousands of contractors like Jason in running a better business while working less: https://trybta.com/DI1026
To learn more about becoming a Member, click here: https://trybta.com/EP286
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL286
At just 30 years old, Riley Rivers owns a $7M dollar landscaping business, pulling in $120K in profit every month.
Multiple divisions.
Massive contracts.
Complex operations.
And he does it all in less than 40 hours a week.
In this episode, I'm talking to Riley to find out how he built his company, including the key decisions he made as he scaled.
If you're ready to step out of the day-to-day and become a real CEO, Riley's story is a must listen.
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Riley is a Breakthrough Academy Member who has worked with his coach and contractor community to build a business he loves running. To learn more about becoming a Member, click here: https://trybta.com/EP286
Learn more about Rivers Landscaping: https://www.riverslandscapingmt.com/
Episode highlights:
• Learn which systems enabled Riley to more than double his revenue without sacrificing profitability.
• Get insight into Riley’s hiring strategies when it comes to adding high-impact leaders into his organization.
• Discover how Riley built his team culture… by letting his team build his culture. Find out how he stepped back and let his people establish the company’s core values and the tactics used to live them out.00:00-Intro
01:55-Journey to $3 Million
07:12-Evolution of Roles
09:41-Strategy for Growth
11:49-Identifying Core Gaps
21:01-Org Structure Strategy
30:18-Cultivating Company Culture
40:22-Leadership and Management
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57 min
285. The Formula For Consistent Cash Flow In 7-Figure Contracting Businesses - Bob Gauvreau
Season 6, Episode 285
Show notes
Grab a copy of Bob's Top 10 Tax Tips For Self-Employed Contractors: https://trybta.com/DL285
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP285
Ever run out of money despite making millions of dollars?
This is the situation Bob Gauvreau has seen hundreds of contractors fall into.
Revenue is up, profit may even be up.
But they run out of cash unexpectedly and when they get hit with an unexpected bill or expense…
…they crumple.
In today’s episode, Bob walks us through a foolproof system for managing your cash flow so financial stress becomes a thing of the past.
Episode Highlights:
• Learn why your P&L might be lying to you, and which metrics actually matter when it comes to the health of your business
• Understand where cash gets “stuck” and how to avoid accidentally spending the cash you need to pay the bills.
• Discover the foolproof system for managing your cash flow and forecasting potential issues 90 days in advance (no more being jump-scared by your bank balance)Get in touch with Bob: https://gauvreaucpa.ca/
00:00-Intro
02:18-Cash Flow vs Profit
08:32-Tight Cash Impact
15:36-Optimizing Cash Inflows
23:04-Accounts Receivable Systems
29:38-Managing Cash Outflows
43:57-Owner Compensation Rhythm
47:24-Financial Process Organization
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43 min
284. How Hiring ONE PERSON Doubled This Contractor's Business - Joel Retherford
Season 6, Episode 284
Show notes
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP284
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL284
Joel Retherford made an extra $1.6 MILLION in the first four months of this year.
How? By hiring for one simple role.
In today’s episode, I’m talking to Joel to understand:
• How hiring a project manager helped him produce an entire year’s worth of revenue, in 4 months
• The hiring process he used to find a rockstar capable of driving all that value
• And why so many contractors completely botch their project management, and how to stop killing your profit as you grow.If you’re struggling to scale and want to stop bottlenecking your operations, this episode is for you.
00:00-Intro
01:25-Overcoming Personal Operational Bottlenecks
09:20-Hiring An External Candidate
12:19-Managing Internal Staff Friction
21:02-Presenting A United Front
26:44-Unlocking Strategic Owner Advantages
31:19-Timing The Project Manager
36:41-Structuring Tangible ROI Goals
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50 min
283. How This Contractor Made $200K From Change Orders - Eric Olson
Season 6, Episode 283
Show notes
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP283
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL283
Eric Olson found a way to squeeze an extra 200 thousand dollars of profit out of work he was already doing.
His secret weapon? Change orders.
In today’s episode, Eric is going to talk us through:
- The exact strategy he used to 4X his profits on all change orders
- Why getting this wrong can leave you with angry clients, a frustrated team and zero dollars in the bank
- And how to get your team stoked about maximizing profit at all levels of the organization.
Eric Olson is a Breakthrough Academy Member and Owner of Olson Defendorf Custom Homes in Texas.
He has worked Breakthrough Academy coaches and community members over the years to create bulletproof systems in his business that have significantly improved his profit, cash flow and personal life.
Learn more about Olson Defendorf Custom Homes: https://www.odcustomhomes.com/
00:00-Intro
06:17-Incentivizing Project Managers
12:18-Pricing Logic
16:55-Profit Sharing Expansion
24:06-Collection Process Timing
28:48-Tracking Change Orders
34:14-Schedule Management Updates
40:58-Systems Optimization Change
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49 min
282. She Sold 600 Homes In A Year. Here's How $100M Contractors Scale. - Charlene Barrett
Season 6, Episode 282
Show notes
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP282
Ready to build smarter? Meet Breakthrough Academy at Build Show Live in San Antonio, Sept 10–12. Use code BTA26 for 25% off. Click the link to register: https://www.buildshowlive.com/
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL282
Most contractors struggle to build four to ten homes a year. Today’s guest, Charlene Barrett sold six hundred. That's hundreds of millions in sales.
Today we're going to go through:
- What contractors get wrong about scaling from 1 to 10 million,
- How to use referrals and reviews to supercharge sales,
- And how to deliver world-class services that customers love, at scale.
Charlene is a Breakthrough Academy coach and former Director of Sales and Marketing for a top North American builder, where she worked for over 12 years.
She is a true expert in customer experience and sales, so don’t miss this episode if this is something you’re interested in improving.
00:00-Intro
04:59-Service vs experience
06:25-Creating wow moments
11:57-Negative customer experiences
15:00-Systemizing customer experience
23:02-Driving five-star reviews
32:55-Generating customer referrals
40:37-Insights on coaching
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37 min
281. Systems (Literally) Saved This 8-Figure Spray Foam Business - Curt Janzen & Kevin Boschee
Season 6, Episode 281
Show notes
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP281
Ready to build smarter? Meet Breakthrough Academy at Build Show Live in San Antonio, Sept 10–12. Use code BTA26 for 25% off. Click the link to register: https://www.buildshowlive.com/
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL281
When most contractors think about disaster planning, they picture insurance policies, backup equipment, and emergency contacts.
But what if the real question is this:
Would your team know what to do if you weren't there?
BTA Members Curt Janzen and Kevin Boschee from Beyond Foam got an answer to that question when they found themselves in the worst case scenario:
Their shop burned down. While they were on a business trip. Hundreds of miles away.
In a matter of hours, their team had to make decisions, communicate with customers, protect equipment, coordinate next steps, and keep the business moving forward—all without waiting for the owners to swoop in and save the day.
The result wasn't luck.
It was the outcome of years spent building a business that didn't depend on them for every decision.
00:00-Intro
02:03-Operational Impact of a Fire
09:27-Initial Team Response
13:08-Enabling Structural Systems
18:45-Supporting Team Emotionally
24:21-Insurance Process Lessons
30:08-Overall Key Takeaways
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57 min
280. Why Your Leadership Skills Are Killing Your Growth (And What to Do Instead) - Dr. J.J. Peterson
Season 6, Episode 280
Show notes
Ready to build smarter? Meet Breakthrough Academy at Build Show Live in San Antonio, Sept 10–12. Use code BTA26 for 25% off. Click the link to register: https://www.buildshowlive.com/
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP280
Take our five minute quiz and get a custom Contractor Growth Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL280
Most contractors become leaders by accident.
You start a business because you're great at your trade. Then suddenly you're managing crews, handling conflict, giving feedback, and trying to keep good people from walking out the door.
And if you're like most owners, nobody ever taught you how to do any of it.
That's why this week's Contractor Evolution episode with leadership expert and former Head of Storybrand Dr. J.J. Peterson is worth your time.
In this conversation, Dr. J.J. breaks down a simple approach to leadership that helps you:
- Keep your best people longer
- Reduce costly mistakes and miscommunication
- Build a team you can actually trust
- Create a culture people want to be part of
The best part?
You don't need to become some hard-nosed manager or abandon the "nice guy" you've always been.
Strong leadership isn't about being tougher. It's about creating clarity, accountability, and trust.
00:00-Intro
04:41-Guide Versus Hero
11:28-Formulaic Collective Communication
22:20-Badass Softy Philosophy
30:45-Empathy and Authority
40:45-Three Leadership Pillars
49:53-Modern Leadership Era
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58 min
279. The Only AI Guide You'll Ever Need As A Contractor - Rob Cupello
Season 6, Episode 279
Show notes
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP279
Download Rob’s AI Opportunity Scorecard: https://trybta.com/DL279
AI is exposing everything that's broken in your contracting business…
…before it fixes anything.
Everyone's racing to adopt AI right now. But here's what nobody's saying: if your workflows are messy, AI doesn't clean them up. It accelerates the chaos. This episode is your filter; a practical, no-hype walkthrough of where AI for contractors actually fits, where it makes things worse, and how to know if your business is even ready.
If you're running a contracting company and feeling the pressure to "do something with AI" before you fall behind, this is the episode to listen to first.
In This Episode:
• 🤖 The AI Trap: What contractors are believing about AI that's dead wrong, and why owners are wasting money on tools they don't need
• 🔍 The Real Problem: Why AI exposes hidden workflow chaos before it saves you a minute, and where contractors have the most mess
• ✅ The AI Readiness Test: The 3 things that need to be clear before you even look at a tool, and the signs your company isn't ready
• 🎯 The Opportunity Filter: A simple scorecard for evaluating AI ideas (so you stop confusing "cool" with "valuable")
• 🏗️ Where AI Actually Fits: Sales follow-up, SOPs, job handoffs, client communication — and where it should stay far away
• 👤 Human Review: What AI should never decide by itself and how to stop your team from treating AI like the final answer
• 👥 Team Adoption: Why your crew will ignore new tools (it's not the tech — it's the conversation you haven't had)
• 🛠️ Build Your First AI Workflow: If you're a $3M contracting business, here's exactly where to start this week00:00-Intro
05:06-Decision-Making Hierarchy
08:26-Effective Workflow Documentation
14:59-Privacy and Security
20:13-Custom Business Models
25:16-High-Impact Contractor Cases
35:31-Internal Team Adoption
43:01-Future Contracting Trends
54:51-Starting with Friction
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1 hr 7 min
278. He Analyzed Over 4,000 Sales: Here’s What Kills Revenue - Ryan Fenn
Season 6, Episode 278
Show notes
To learn more about Breakthrough Academy, click here: https://trybta.com/EP278
Get a copy of Ryan’s Lead Follow Up Formula (The Revenue Engine) here: https://trybta.com/DL278
Most contractors assume the sale is dead after two ignored messages. The data says otherwise, and the money you're leaving on the table is staggering.
Ryan Fenn, founder of CHIIRP, has analyzed massive volumes of real customer conversations to find out what actually gets replies, what kills deals, and what the best follow-up systems do differently. In this episode, we break it all down into the three elements that matter most: words, cadence, and channel.
You'll learn:
• Why the words most contractors use in follow-up are silently killing deals — and what to say instead
• The data-backed timing and cadence that turns cold quotes into signed contracts
• Which channel (text, phone, email, video) actually converts — and when to use each one
• A simple dead quote reactivation system to bring stalled deals back to life
• Where AI is genuinely helping follow-up right now — and where it's hurtingIf you've ever wondered why your quotes go cold or how long you should really keep following up, this one's for you.
00:00-Intro
10:44-Follow-up in contracting
14:30-Effective sales language
29:57-Ideal follow-up cadence
44:13-Choosing communication channels
52:01-Risks of AI voice
56:05-Increasing lead conversion
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59 min
277. How To Plan And Structure Your SOPs To Delegate Literally Anything - Moustafa Moursy
Season 6, Episode 277
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Your crew isn't lazy. Your processes are broken. In this episode of Contractor Evolution, process strategist Moustafa Moursy breaks down why most business systems collect dust, and introduces the OPTIMIZE Framework: a step-by-step method for building SOPs that your team actually uses, so you can stop running every decision through yourself.
If you've ever written a process doc that nobody followed, this episode will show you exactly where you went wrong (and how to fix it).
In this episode:
• Why "people problems" are almost always process problems in disguise
• What you need to define BEFORE touching any software or templates
• The OPTIMIZE Framework: Observe → Picture → Tailor → Implement → Memorialize → Zoom/Evolve
• The real balance between owner direction and team input when designing processes
• How to know when a process is ready to roll out (instead of endlessly perfecting it)
• What separates a process that gets followed from one that gets ignored (the triangle)
• How great processes give your team independence, not just more controlCheck out Moustafa’s TedX Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SemHh0n19LA
00:00-Intro
02:21-Successful vs. Failed Processes
07:21-Defining the Optimize Framework
10:14-Step 1: Observe
15:43-Step 2: Picture
21:58-Step 3: Tailor
34:18-Step 4: Implement
45:54-Step 5: Evolve
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