Podcast

Coping

Philosophy, Society & Culture

The podcast about why life feels like this. Each week, we rethink the stories we've been sold and the ones we tell ourselves with the context that makes everything finally click.

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Episodes
31
Releases
Weekly
Typical length
36 min
On air since
2026
Latest episode
1 day ago

Episodes

31 episodes, newest first

  1. Coping With Con Artists

    Episode 30

    Show notes

    You've been seeing Elizabeth Holmes everywhere, right? Between the new Nathan Fielder documentary, your favourite podcasts revisiting the Theranos' story and the endless internet discourse, it feels like we simply can't stop ourselves from returning to the world's most famous fraudsters. But why are we so fascinated by con artists in the first place, and how come they continue to captivate us long after the lie has been exposed?

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson unpack our enduring obsession with scams, grifters and spectacular acts of deception. From Silicon Valley's culture of 'fake it til you make it' to history's most infamous frauds, they explore the psychology of persuasion, unpack why humans are surprisingly wired to trust, and examine how confidence, charisma and social proof can convince us to believe almost anything.

    Watch: You Can See Everything trailer

    Watch: The Inventor: Out For Blood In Silicon Valley documentary

    Intuitive evaluation of likelihood judgment producers: Evidence for a confidence heuristic, by Paul C. Price, and Eric R. Stone Journal of Behavioral Decision Making

    Watch: The Dropout

    Watch: The Wolf of Wall Street

    Watch: Inventing Anna

    The Woman Who Fooled The World by Beau Donelly and Nick Toscano

    Truth-Default Theory and the Social Science of Lying and Deception by Timothy R. Levine,

    Elon Musk’s Statements Could Be ‘Deepfakes’, Tesla Defence Lawyers Tell Court, The Guardian

    Watch: Onara O Neill's TED Talk: What We Don't Understand About Trust

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  2. Coping With Ghosts

    Episode 29

    Show notes

    ’Tis the season for a spooky, scary Halloween episode ! We’re diving into one of the longest-standing stories we’ve told ourselves across cultures and literal centuries: life doesn't end with death, and some part of us will always linger in the form of an otherworldly being…

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson are swapping ghost stories and paranormal “experiences” while weighing up the arguments for and against the age-old question: are ghosts real? They dive into the massive industry born around ghost hunting, explore how we emotionally cope with the idea of the supernatural, and of course share their ultimate Halloween watch list recs.

    ☆ If you're also spiralling about technology, loneliness, and the human condition, Klara and the Sun has your name all over it. Gather the group chat accordingly. In cinemas NOW. ☆

    Anomalistic Psychology: What Is It And Why Bother? By Chris French, Psychology Today

    Wired for Weird, by Richard Wiseman in Scientific American

    Listen: How To Sell A Haunted House, Criminal podcast

    Why So Many Of Us See Our Loved Ones After They Have Died, by Shayla Love, Psyche

    Many Americans Say They Believe in Ghosts. Do You? by Anna P. Kambhampaty, The New York Times

    The Broken Technology Of Ghost Hunting by Colin Dickey, The Atlantic

    Watch: Ghost Hunters Stanley Hotel episode

    Glad To Be Sad, And Other Examples Of Benign Masochism, by Rozin et al, Cambridge University Press

    Jannah's watch reccs: The Haunting of Hill House and The Haunting of Bly Manor

    Alice's watch reccs: Hereditary and Paranormal Activity

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    45 min
  3. Coping With The Performance Of Taste

    Episode 28

    Show notes

    We suddenly seem to care a lot about what the person next to us is reading. Between celebrity book clubs, literary moments on the runway, and the rise of the professional tastemaker, taste itself has never been so public. You may even have started wondering whether the book tucked under your arm on your morning commute is something you love, or something you’d like to be seen loving.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson unpack the performance of taste, exploring the psychology of signalling and impression management, the trends and people shaping contemporary reading culture, and what it means to cultivate preferences that exist beyond aesthetics, algorithms and social capital.

    ☆ If you're also spiralling about technology, loneliness, and the human condition, Klara and the Sun has your name all over it. Gather the group chat accordingly. In cinemas from 22 October. ☆

    Plot Twist! All the Books Guests Brought to the Valentino Show by Anna Cafolla and Francesca Faccani, Vogue

    Bring a book: how reading became fashion's favourite accessory, Cur(AI)tion Substack

    Watch: Jack Edwards’ Valentino Book Swap video

    The Curious Notoriety Of “Performative Reading” by Brady Brickner-Wood, New Yorker

    Read: Anti-Intellectualism in American Life by Richard Hofstadter

    Social Network Profiles as Taste Performances by Hugo Liu

    Impression management: A literature review and two-component model by Leary & Kowalski

    Basic Or Pretentious: The Anxiety Of Spotify Wrapped Perceptions by Sofia Appolino, The Diamondback

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    43 min
  4. BONUS: Martina Calvi Is Coping

    Episode 27

    Show notes

    This week, we're coping a little differently ! Following our AI takeover spiral a few weeks ago, we thought it only fair to balance things out with a timely celebration of what it really means to be human.

    In this special bonus episode of Coping, we're sharing highlights from our live conversation with crafty queen, artist and author Martina Calvi. We sat down with Martina a few weeks ago to kick off the global tour for her new book, The Art of Snail Mail (out now!) at Coping Studio in an event made possible thanks to Pinterest Australia.

    In this episode we hear from Martina, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson on all things creativity, connection, the analogue revival, and our enduring love affair with nostalgia, reflecting on all the things technology can never replace.

    ☆ Huge thanks to Pinterest Australia for supporting Coping and helping more people step away from the doomscroll and back into their creativity. ☆

    Follow Martina Calvi on Pinterest and Instagram

    Read Martina Calvi’s new book The Art Of Snail Mail

    Tired Of AI, People Are Committing To The Analogue Lifestyle In 2026 by Ramishah Maruf, CNN Business

    Why Are Young People So Nostalgic for a Time They Never Lived In? by Sik on Substack

    Nostalgia: Past, Present, and Future Sedikides, Wildschut, Arndt and Routledge, in Current Directions in Psychological Science

    Personal vs. Historical Nostalgia: A Division Of Emotions, by Chris Marchegiani Curtin Business School

    We’re Not Addicted To Nostalgia We’re Just Escaping The Internet, by Hannah Charlton, Roe Magazine

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    26 min
  5. Coping With Quitting

    Episode 26

    Show notes

    Harry Styles is rumoured to be retiring. Amelia Dimoldenberg is bringing the Chicken Shop Date era to a close. We all remember Simone Biles stepping away from the gymnastics mat. More and more, we're watching people opt out of goals they've built their identity around and spent years publicly pursuing. Quitting seems more socially acceptable than ever, so why does walking away still feel like failure?

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson explore our relationship with quitting (it's complicated). In a conversation about identity, drive and sunk costs, they unpack where the "never give up" mindset actually came from, why perseverance is treated as a virtue while quitting is seen as a flaw, and whether knowing when to stop might be just as important as knowing when to keep going.

    Harry Styles Is Still Getting Used to Being Harry Styles by Julio Torres, W Magazine

    Is Harry Styles Retiring? by Sam Prance, Capital UK

    Harry Styles’ Speech On Together, Together Tour

    Simone Biles Says She Should Have Quit Way Before Tokyo Olympics by Katie Kindelan, ABC News

    Hyrox Athlete Apologies and Withdraws After Viral Defecation Incident by Alexandra Koster, SBS

    Time, Work-Discipline, and Industrial Capitalism by E.P. Thompson

    The Protestant Ethic and The Spirit Of Capitalism by Max Weber

    Self-Help; with Illustrations of Conduct and Perseverance by Samuel Smiles

    Did ‘The Life of a Showgirl’ Need an Encore? And Where Is Taylor Swift Going Next? By Maya Georgi, Rolling Stone

    Amelia Dimoldenberg to close doors of Chicken Shop Date by Naomi de Souza, BBC

    The Sunk Cost Trap: Why We Throw Good Money After Bad by Carlos Alós-Ferrer, Psychology Today

    Errors in Aviation Decision Making: Bad Decisions or Bad Luck? by Judith Orasanu, Lynne Martin and Jeannie Davison, NASA Ames Research Center

    Learned Helplessness at Fifty: Insights from Neuroscience by Steven F. Maier and Martin E.P. Seligman, Psychological Review

    Watch: Jerry Maguire

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    37 min
  6. Coping With Feeling Behind

    Episode 25

    Show notes

    It seems everyone around us is moving through life at exactly the “right” pace: getting engaged, having babies, buying houses, building careers, finding purpose. Meanwhile, we’re left wondering, are we running late to our own lives?

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson muse on ‘feeling behind’ after rediscovering an article Alice wrote at 25 about comparison culture and the anxiety around reaching success by a certain age, revisiting the question through older (hopefully slightly wiser) eyes. In a conversation about ambition, timelines, and growing up, they explore the social clock and the psychology of comparison, the arbitrary milestones and social expectations we measure ourselves by, and the people who found their way on their own terms.

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    The 27 Club: A Brief History, Rolling Stone

    Social Clock: Age Norms, Age Constraints, and Adult Socialization by Bernice Neugarten, Joan Moore, John Lowe in University of Chicago Press

    Australia's Fertility Taboo, TasIVF Report

    A Theory Of Social Comparison Processes by Leon Festinger

    Lottery Winners and Accident Victims: Is Happiness Relative?

    When Every Day Is A High School Reunion: Social Media Comparisons and Self Esteem's by Claire Midgley, Sabrina Thai, Penelope Lockwood, Chloe Kovacheff, Elizabeth Page-Gould

    Dealing With Post-Trail Depression by Annie Mueller, Psychology Today

    The Hedonic Treadmill by Dan Pilat and Dr. Sekoul Krastev, Decision Lab

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    31 min
  7. Coping With The AI Takeover

    Episode 24

    Show notes

    AI experts, executives, and inventors themselves are sounding the alarm – warning us that an AI takeover could threaten all of humanity within just the next ten years. In other words, the call is coming from INSIDE the house.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson unpack the full context behind the looming AI threat and its potential ten‑year countdown (and why the narrative is, unsurprisingly, more complicated than the spooky, scary headlines). They contemplate the echo chamber inside Silicon Valley, the psychology that makes our worst‑case scenarios feel super inevitable, and the machine‑god anxieties that have shaped culture for centuries.

    In a conversation about AI fears, futurism, and the ethics of progress, they mull over our obsession with acceleration – whether it’s sustainable, whether it’s necessary, and whether our future actually involves living among the stars (or just coping with what we’ve already built).

    ☆ Want to stop guessing what your chart is trying to tell you? Get a personalised reading from real astrologers on CHANI – the #1 app for manifestation, meaning, and self‑discovery. ☆

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    Could AI Really Wipe Out Humanity and Hijack the Internet? by Robert Booth, Dan Milmo and Aisha Down, The Guardian

    AI Could Possibly End Humanity. How Are Humans Supposed to Process That? By William J. Broad and Cade Metz, New York Times

    One of AI’s Fiercest Critics’ Says All The Doom Talk ‘is Meant to Distract Us’ by Lauren Goode, WIRED

    The AI Researcher Who’s Investment Is Changing Everything on The Daily, New York Times

    The AI Tipping Point by Billy Perrigo, Harry Booth and Naomi Nix, TIME

    This Is Really Bad by Stephen Witt, New York Times

    The AI Con by Emily M Bender

    The AI Doomsday Skeptics by Katrin Bennhold, New York Times

    Don’t Look Up

    Ex Machina

    Frankenstein by Mary Shelley

    ‘Black Mirror’ Creator Charlie Brooker Wants Us Worried - and Not for the Reasons You'd Think, by Mikey O’Connell, The Hollywood Reporter

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    37 min
  8. Coping With Labels

    Episode 23

    Show notes

    Are you Type A or Type B? (Justice for Type C !)

    Maybe the label you’ve given yourself feels grounding (and that’s okay!). Maybe it’s limiting – something you’ve been trying to shake off..? Or maybe you’ve turned a label into a sort of playbook, a personality shorthand we were never really meant to rely on.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson dive into self‑imposed labels – dissecting the logic of Myers-Briggs and comparing their own Enneagram results as they unpack the universal urge to categorise ourselves. And can you ever truly shake off a label once it’s been culturally assigned… sometimes en masse? (Raygun made peace with hers two years post-Olympics – and you probably would too with Sammy Sex in your corner).

    TikTok’s Obsessed With “Type A” and “Type B” Personality Types - Here’s Why by Keyaira Boone, Cosmopolitan

    The Carl Jung Quote You’ll Love Based on Your Myers-Briggs Personality by Susan Storm, Psychology Junkee

    Why Myers-Briggs Is Totally Useless - But Wildly Popular by Anna North, New York Times

    To Promote Inclusivity, Stay Away From Personality Assessments by Quinisha Jackson-Wright, New York Times

    Mindfulness by Dr Ellen Langer

    Thank You For Smoking: How Big Tobacco Created the ‘Type A’ Personality Myth

    Uncertainty-identity theory Hogg, M.A, in Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, Vol. 39

    Schema Theory in Psychology by Charlotte Nickerson, Simply

    Personality Isn’t Permanent by Benjamin Hardy

    All I Ever Wanted Was To Be Hot by Lucinda Froomes Price

    The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson

    Untold: Raygun Breaking Badly, Netflix

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    36 min
  9. Coping With Surveillance

    Episode 22

    Show notes

    We’re being watched: by surveillance cameras, safety tools, strangers in public, our own devices, and now by wearable tech that turns every interaction into potential content. Observation has become the ambient condition – part convenience, part paranoia.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson unpack the psychology of being observed in how it shapes the calculated self, mull over the ethical questions raised by the latest wave of wearable tech like Meta Glasses, and confess the accidental data breaches from their own lives. It seems that the next era of surveillance culture might reshape our inner lives long before legislation ever catches up.

    Modernising Australia’s Privacy Laws for the Digital Age, Attorney-General Michelle Rowland’s press release

    I Feel So Sorry For My AI Sunglasses by Sam Anderson, New York Times

    Meta’s Smart Ray-Ban Glasses Let Me Live in the Moment. But the AI is Useless by Caira Blackwell, Wirecutter

    What If It All Came Out? by Bridget Read, New York Magazine

    The Audience Effect: Why We Change When Other People Are Watching by Anne Laure Le Cunff, Ness Labs

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    40 min
  10. Coping With Revenge

    Episode 21

    Show notes

    We root for revenge plots in our tv shows (beware: House of the Dragon spoilers ahead!), appeal to a sense of karmic justice, hunt for it in celebrity narratives, and even fantasise about getting our own one day.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson unpack the psychology of vengeance, why it feels so titillating, and whether the payoff is ever what we had hoped. Plus, why do we cheer louder when women and marginalised characters finally get their moment? A reminder that revenge stories often tell us more about our cultural hunger for balancing the scales than the act itself ever could.

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    House Of The Dragon, HBO

    The Complicated Psychology of Revenge by Eric Jaffe, Association For Psychological Science

    The Bittersweet Taste of Revenge: On the Negative and Positive Consequences of Retaliation by Fade R. Eadeh, Stephanie A. Peak, Alan J. Lambert

    Victim Blaming and Belief in Karma by Cindel J. M. White, Aiyana K. Willard

    Margaret Qualley Just Walked the Red Carpet in Chanel’s Viral Naked Sandals by Rosa Sanchez, Harper’s Bazaar

    reputation, Taylor Swift

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    34 min
  11. Coping With Memory

    Episode 20

    Show notes

    We’d like to think our memories are fixed but most of us are running on vibes, fragments, and deeply emotional edits n reedits. Our brains so easily forget the “important” stuff, cling to the weirdest details, and seemingly rewrite entire chapters without permission. And the things we actually do remember often says more about who we are now than whatever happened way back when.

    This week, Alice Griffin (resident unreliable narrator) and Jannah Anderson (she’s got receipts) dive into the mechanics of how memory actually works, the psychology behind recall, the fear of forgetting, and the stories we build from our own mental archives. And how much are we already outsourcing to Big Tech from a scale of 1-that Black Mirror episode??

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    Creating False Memories, by Elizabeth L Loftus, in Scientific American

    How The Truth Gets Twisted by By Ann Marsh and Greta Lorge in Stanford Magazine

    False Memories Under Fire, Scitech Daily

    Memory and Learning: How the Brain Stores, Retrieves, and Forgets Information, by Renz Solimen, The Science Times

    The Woman Who Can’t Forget by Jill Price

    Living On Record: My First Ten Days, Eka Ventures Newsletter on Substack

    The Entire History Of You, Black Mirror on Netflix

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    40 min
  12. Coping With Boredom

    Show notes

    Boredom has gone from something we avoid to something we curate – a new metric in the self‑care economy to measure ourselves by. From 'rawdogging boredom' challenges to the obsession with performing “slow creativity,” we’re told stillness is a portal to a better, more imaginative self. But the research is messy, and our lived experiences even more so.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson dig into the neuroscience of boredom, the rise of the serial hobbyist, the existential itches that keep us chasing novelty, and the cultural urge to make boredom meaningful – even when the moments in between fail to deliver us anything profound.

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    They Want To Influence You To Do… Nothing by Alexander Nazaryan, The New York Times

    Boredom, Sustained Attention and The Default Mode Network by James Danckert and Colleen Merrifield

    You Need To Be Bored, Here’s Why by Arthur Brooks, Harvard Business Review

    The Association Between Boredom And Creativity In Educational Contexts’ by Anke Zeißig, Julia Kansok-Dusche, Saskia M. Fischer, Julia Moeller, Ludwig Bilz

    Boredom, A Lively History by Peter Toohey

    Just Think: The Challenges Of The Disengaged Mind by Timothy D. Wilson, David A. Reinhard, Erin C. Westgate, Daniel T. Gilbert, Nicole Ellerbeck, Cheryl Hahn, Casey L. Brown, and Adi Shaked in Science

    What Does Boredom Do To Us And For Us? by Margaret Talbot, The New Yorker

    ⁠Quit Romanticising Boredom⁠ by Anna North, The Cut

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    35 min
  13. Coping With Doomsday

    Episode 18

    Show notes

    Doomsday prepping has gone mainstream. What was once a fringe fixation tucked away on conspiracy forums has morphed into a booming industry, with everyday people stockpiling, strategising, and spending (a lot) in the name of “being prepared.”

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson sit with the existential threats uniquely shaping our generation, the preppers taking that fear to its furthest extreme, the brands that saw an opportunity to sell safety, and ultimately ask whether a state of hypervigilance actually soothes our anxiety or just feeds it. After all, what’s worse: the apocalypse (and the world’s least satisfying “I told you so”), or realising you spent your life waiting for it?

    Prepper Used To Be A Dirty Word. But These 'Ordinary' People Think It's Just Sensible Now by Alexandra Koster, SBS Australia

    What Doomsday Preppers And Survivalists Can Teach The Rest Of Us, by Anna Levy and Rebecca Cushway, ABC

    The ‘Panic Industry’ Boom by Coralie Kraft, The New York Times

    The cognitive avoidance theory of worry, Sibrava, N. and Borkovec, T in APA PsycInfo

    Blast From The Past

    Pandemic Practice: Horror Fans And Morbidly Curious Individuals Are More Psychologically Resilient During The COVID-19 Pandemic, by Scrivner, Johnson, Kjeldgaard-Christiansen and Clasen, ScienceDaily

    ‘All Of His Guns Will Do Nothing For Him’: Lefty Preppers Are Taking A Different Approach To Doomsday by Aaron Gell, The Guardian
    OpenAI Model Hacks Startup After Going Rogue During Testing, ABC
    No Worries? Australian Attitudes To National Security, Risk And Resilience, Prof Rory Medcalf AM FAIIA and Tim Wilford, Australian National University
    Kennedy, Rockefeller, and Civil Defense by Naomi Kroll Hassebroek, NPS

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    34 min
  14. Coping With Closure

    Episode 17

    Show notes

    We’re taught to crave closure – the tidy explanation, the perfectly heartfelt apology, the moment where we SEE Idris Elba push the button (or not… idk go watch ‘A House of Dynamite’ and tell us your take).

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson explore our obsession with resolution: where it comes from, whether it’s even possible, and why some of us need a definitive finish while others move through life more content with the grey. And how are we supposed to cope if closure never shows up??

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    A House Of Dynamite, Netflix

    The Writer Of Netflix’s ‘A House of Dynamite’ Explains Its Ambiguous Ending by Noah Oppenheim, LA Times

    Do You Really Need Closure? by Christina Caron, The New York Times

    How To Know If You Really Need Closure Or If It’s Just An Excuse To Talk To Them, by Jolie Price, Fashion Journal

    Individual Differences In Need For Cognitive Closure, by Donna Webster & Arie Kruglanski, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology

    There’s Not Always ‘Closure’ In The Never-ending Story Of Grief, by Michael Bull, The Conversation

    Beyond Dogmatism: The Need For Closure As Related To Religion, by Vassilis Saroglou

    Closure: The Rush to End Grief and What It Costs Us, by Nancy Berns

    Does Time Really Heal All Wounds? by Leah Royden, Psychology Today

    This Too Shall Pass: Temporal Distance and the Regulation of Emotional Distress, by Emma Bruehlman-Senecal and Ozlem Ayduk, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology

    The Widow’s Guide To Dead Bastards by Jessica Waite

    Requiem For A Nun by William Faulkner

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    34 min
  15. Coping With Crashing Out

    Episode 16

    Show notes

    After decades of being sold the idea, especially as women, that the regulated self is the healthy self, we’re collectively hitting breaking point.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson are onboard to analyse the shift – all stations to crash out central. We cover the big‑feelings energy of Gracie Abrams’ new Look At My Life music vid, the unsettled debate between catharsis and suppression, the reality tv blow-ups that raised us, and the 72‑part internet dramas that are maybe a little too much (even for us).

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    Look At My Life music video by Gracie Abrams

    Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn

    What Does 'Crashing Out' Mean? By Becca Wood, TODAY

    Gen Z is ‘Crashing Out’ – but experts warn it’s an unhealthy way to regulate emotions, by Fabiana Buontempo, New York Post

    Crashing Out: The Psychology Behind Gen Z’s Term For Losing It, Simply Psychology

    Stop Venting! It Doesn’t Work by Vail Cornwall and Juli Fraga, Slate

    Venting Doesn't Reduce Anger, But Something Else Does by Russell McLendon, Science Alert

    Whatever Happened to Primal Therapy? by Stephen Ornes, Discover Magazine

    Gemma Collins crashing out On Celebrity Big Brother

    Real Housewives of Beverley Hills Amsterdam dinner scene

    What Happened In The 'Cozy Grocery NYC Roommate Drama'? The Viral TikTok Story And Controversy Explained, K.J. Genualdo, Yahoo Entertainment

    The Woman In Me, Britney Spears

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    31 min
  16. Coping With Sleep

    Episode 15

    Show notes

    We now know soooo much about sleep – how much we should be getting, how much we actually aren’t, the “multivolume fright compendium” of risks attached to not enough sleep, and the booming optimisation industry promising to fix it all. And yet the more we chase the perfect eight hours with all the right tools, the further away it seems to drift.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson pull apart our collective obsession with “fixing” sleep. We get into the viral TikTok bedtime routines engineered for peak rest, sleep as the latest optimisation frontier for the hustlers among us, and the people who simply can’t sleep – from chronic insomnia to the genetics of true short sleepers. If you don’t hear from us next week? Idk we’re probably sleeping.

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    ⁠Emily’s (@gildedwhim) viral wind-down routine⁠ on TikTok

    ⁠Your Quest For Perfect Sleep Is Keeping You Awake⁠ by Stacey Colino, Time

    ⁠Why Some People Thrive on Four Hours Of Sleep⁠ by Shayla Love, The New Yorker

    ⁠Why Can’t Americans Sleep?⁠ by Jennifer Senior, The Atlantic

    ⁠Franz Kafka's Insomnia Haunted Him, But It Also Fueled His Creativity⁠, Antonia Perciaccante interview, Huffpost

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    31 min
  17. Coping With Risk

    Episode 14

    Show notes

    Angela Nikolau and Ivan Beerkus, of Skywalkers Netflix documentary fame, climbed the Empire State Building without ropes, got engaged at the summit as the world watched on, and claimed it was all in service of a message about peace and love.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson unpack why we’re so drawn to the daredevils among us (the biology, the psychology, the myth-making) and how our relationship with risk continues to evolve – shaped by context, age, and even the generation we grew up in.

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    Climbers Get Engaged Atop Empire State Building. Then They Get Arrested. By Andy Newman, Maia Coleman and Chelsia Rose Marcius, The New York Times

    Skywalkers: A Love Story documentary, Netflix

    Free Solo documentary, Disney+

    The Strange Brain of the World's Greatest Solo Climber by J.B. MacKinnon, Nautilus

    The Morbid Curiosity of Watching a Daredevil Risk His Life⁠ by R. Douglas Fields, Psychology Today

    ⁠An integrative framework for mapping the psychological landscape of risk perception⁠ by Sarah C. Jenkins, Robert F. Lachlan and Magda Osman, Scientific Reports

    ⁠Coast Guard says Titan submersible deaths were preventable and faults company's CEO⁠, by Victoria Hansen, NPR

    Titan: The OceanGate Submersible Disaster documentary, Netflix

    Gen Z’s Great Retreat from Risk by Arthur Brooks, The Free Press

    Finding Nemo (yes, really), Disney+

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    35 min
  18. Coping With Decision Fatigue

    Episode 13

    Show notes

    From the daily choices that drain us (what to eat, what to wear, which tab to close), to the big existential questions we procrastinate on out of sheer overwhelm (Alice Griffin: “who am I”, etc.) we’ve never been more exhausted by our own decision‑making.

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson pull apart the paradox of choice in the age of infinite options: Elyse Myers’ viral video resurfacing as decision fatigue in action, maximisers vs satisficers (tag yourself), and what actually happens when we try to remove every friction from our lives. So which choices genuinely deserve our energy and where can we opt out?

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    Elyse Myer’s video on outsmarting decision fatigue

    How High Performers Overcome Decision Fatigue by Marlynn Wei, Psychology Today

    Do You Suffer From Decision Fatigue? by John Tierney, New York Times

    The Paradox Of Choice by Barry Schwartz

    When Choice is Demotivating: Can One Desire Too Much of a Good Thing? by Sheena S. Iyengar and Mark R. Lepper, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology

    The Mom Who Runs A Household With AI Agents by Lane Brown, The Cut

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    42 min
  19. Coping With Failure

    Episode 12

    Show notes

    In a culture obsessed with comeback arcs and self‑improvement, we’ve turned failure into something it was never meant to be: productive, meaningful, and always redeemable. But real life is messier. Some flops teach us, some flops just hurt, and some flops become lore… (if you were in the audience at Bongo’s Bingo, pls come forward).

    This week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson dissect ‘the flop’ in the age of AI, hyper‑curation, and personal branding – from Lizzo and her new album BITCH all the way to Grand Designs (trust us), we explore why some people choose to reclaim their failures and others own them as lessons.

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    Lizzo’s New Album Didn’t Even Chart. What Happened? by Larisha Paul, Rolling Stone

    Lizzo In The Age Of Backlash, by Lauren Michele Jackson, The New Yorker

    When Rebecca Was 13 She Was Mocked Over Her Viral Video. Now The Joke’s On The Haters, by John Bailey, The Age

    Hilary Duff Does Viral ‘With Love’ Dance at First Concert in 10 Years, Entertainment Tonight

    Not Learning From Failure – The Biggest Failure Of All study by Lauren Eskreis-Winkler and Ayelet Fishbach, Psychological Science

    How To Fail with Elizabeth Day podcast

    Grand Designs’ Most Infamous Lighthouse Disaster, Channel 4

    ⁠How Olivia Rodrigo’s Love Songs Became a Breakup Album⁠, Popcast from The New York Times

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    31 min
  20. Coping With Intuition

    Season 1, Episode 11

    Show notes

    In her new album you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love, Olivia Rodrigo sings, “It’s feminine intuition, ’cause I always had a vision of us standing like this”, and Jannah couldn’t agree more. (Alice has notes).

    We live in the most information‑heavy moment in human history, yet we’ve never felt less certain. So this week, Alice Griffin and Jannah Anderson turn inward to examine intuition itself: Olivia Rodrigo’s album and the wave of intuition content it’s spawned, the gut feelings that felt like more than coincidence, and the booming psychic‑industrial complex attempting to sell our “inner knowing” back to us at scale. The irony being that the more we try to outsource intuition, the less we’re able to trust our own.

    And because the wellness zeitgeist never sleeps: your clothes are trying to kill you (they’re not), and the skincare being marketed to three-year-olds.

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    The Ritual newsletter, KIC

    Cosmeticorexia: How Girls Are Falling Down A Skincare Rabbit Hole by Ruth Clegg, BBC

    drop dead by Olivia Rodrigo

    ‘It’s Feminine Intuition’: Predictions For OR3, Ell Heeps, Varsity

    My Secret Addiction by Julie Gordon, Maclean's

    Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

    The Power of Intuition by Gary A. Klein

    Recognition Memory, Familiarity, and Déjà vu Experiences by Anne M. Cleary

    Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estés

    Is 2026 the year of the witch? by Madeleine Woon

    The Gifts of Imperfection by Brené Brown

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    39 min