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Evening Double
The Evening Double is a podcast centered around running, ambition, discipline, and the stories behind the miles. Each episode brings honest conversations with athletes, coaches, and full-time workers chasing big goals both in and outside the sport. From balancing careers and training to mindset and competition, the show dives into what fuels high performers. Real conversations, good energy, and a great listen on your evening double. Hosted by Keeton Thornsberry, Erik Stauderman, and Ryan Carney
- Running chart
- #174
- Episodes
- 53
- Releases
- Twice a week
- Typical length
- 1 hr 10 min
- On air since
- 2026
- Latest episode
- 12 hours ago
Episodes
53 episodes, newest first
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1 hr 14 min
#053: Best NYC Ever and How Many World Majors is too Many?
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We recapped what may have been the best NYC in Episode 53 (purposeful rhyme)
From the finish of the women's race and Jess McClain proving she can hang in there with the world's best to Almgren doing something that's never been done and winning a world major in his debut, NYC was an instant classic!
We then quickly previewed Indy this weekend and talked about how many world majors is too many? Sydney joined in 2026, Cape Town is official for 2027 with Shanghai also on the horizon to join in 2027.
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1 hr 4 min
#052: Griff Duncan - Couch to Marathon in 16 Weeks
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We had Griff Duncan on the pod for episode 52 of The Evening Double! Griff literally went straight from the couch to the marathon in just 16 weeks and 1 week out from a sub 3 attempt.
He takes us through the 75 hard challenge that helped him get moving and motivated and what "the wolverine stack" is that he uses as fueling for marathons.
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56 min
#051: Puma's New Illegal Shoe & NYC Marathon Preview
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In this episode, Ryan and Keeton discuss the illegal (for racing) Puma Fast RB 2. The shoe is so advanced we compared it to a concept car. We feel Puma is dancing a fine line between innovation and integrity.
We also dive into the NYC Marathon elite fields with some great storylines. Can the top Americans hang in there with the leaders? Can Andreas Almgren win in his debut?
Tune in for a great pod and give us a follow and 5 star rating if you enjoy the pod!
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1 hr 10 min
#050 - Evan Jager: Olympic Silver, American Records & The Marathon
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Episode 050! We’re joined by Evan Jager, 2x Olympian, Olympic silver medalist, World Championship bronze medalist, American record holder in the 3,000m steeplechase (8:00.45), and 7-time consecutive U.S. champion.
We talked career highlights, favorite workouts, training philosophies, and what it really takes to reach the highest levels of distance running. Evan also recapped his Chicago Marathon, the training behind it, running alongside Matt Centrowitz, and whether another marathon or a potential 2:16 Olympic Trials qualifying attempt could be in the cards.
We also discussed his role as Head of Athlete Relations at Nomio, supplementation and performance, Jerry Schumacher’s training compared to Norwegian threshold methods, and Andreas Almgren heading into NYC.
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1 hr 7 min
#049: 45-Mile Ultramarathon on the Golf Course?
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On episode 49 we went through some training updates and they ranged all over the place. Keeton unfortunately got the news that he has a partial tear in his patellar tendon, Ryan is deciding to forgo Indy and run XC in December and Erik played 453 golf holes in one day.
We shared our craziest race stories and discussed what wellness trends actually have a place in running and what are just normal practices. Tune in for a great episode!
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1 hr 20 min
#048: Jeremy Arthur - Current #1 US 50K in 2026
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Stockholm, Copenhagen, NYC 3x, CIM 3x, Boston 4x, Chicago 2x, Berlin, London, Mesa, Harrisburg (PR), Mckirdy, The marathon project, Wineglass, Grandma’s, Mountain to Beach. Those are just to name a few of the races Jeremy has done.
He's also currently has the fastest 50K time in the US for 2026, running 2:54:07 at the Chicago Lakefront 50K this year.
Jeremy takes us through his running journey, tips he has for runners out there and what the experience was like running the final 12K of Chicago with Truett Hanes.
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1 hr 13 min
#047: The Big Sponge Theory, When Does Mileage Saturate?
Show notes
In episode #047 of The Evening Double we went into depth about when is enough whether it comes to mileage or intensity. When does the sponge finally get so much that it's over saturated?
We also went into depth about our current training. Did Ryan overdo it in training, is Keeton's knee gonna cooperate and is Erik peaking at the wrong time?
We finished out the episode with our takes on Chicago and why Clayton's experience ended up giving him top American honors.
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1 hr 1 min
#046: Dr. Zac Ruppert on Injury Prevention, Best Areas to Strengthen & Dry Needling
Show notes
We had Zac Ruppert on the pod for episode #046! Zac is a board‑certified orthopedic physical therapist and owner of Ruppert Physical Therapy in Louisville, Kentucky!
We discussed best forms of injury prevention, what to do when you do come down with injury and the best way to utilize strength training when on a time crunch.
We also dove into dry needling and when it's best to use that practice, why it works and how it differentiates from other practices.
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1 hr 11 min
#045: Chicago Marathon Preview & Will the Weather Affect the Pros?
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In episode 45, we broke down how we see the Chicago Marathon playing out this weekend. Will the Americans be able to hang in with the lead pack? Will the heat affect the pros and the ambitious goals of the American record going down?
It seems like if they moved Chicago back one week, the weather is always better, and we discuss why the warmer weather tends to affect the amateur runner more than the professionals.
Lastly, we broke down power output in running and why we don't see it as much as we do in cycling.
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1 hr 13 min
#044: James McKirdy of McKirdy Trained
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We had James McKirdy on the pod for episode 44 of the Evening Double! James started McKirdy trained in 2016, which has turned into one of the largest coaching platforms in the country with elite runners at 2:04 under him.
After COVID, he also started a micro running series, which still goes on today in Rockland, New York!
We discussed what his training philosophies look like, what it's like putting on a race that is specifically to help runners hit the OTQ time and what pieces of advice he has for runners trying to hit their goals. Tune in!
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1 hr 7 min
#043: London Marathon Date Decided on Rock, Paper, Scissors? Nike's New Shoes & Training Updates
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This is not a joke, Sebastian Sawe and Catherine Debrunner played a best out of 3 game of rock, paper, scissors to determine which day the men's elite and which day the women's elite fields will run in the 2027 London Marathon?!
Nike drops a bomb in the supershoe game coming out with the Apex, available January 2027 and the Swooshfly coming out in February 2027.
Does needling work? What counts as a tempo? Threshold?
Where is our training 5 weeks out from Indy? All these questions and more answered on Episode 43!
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1 hr 16 min
#042: Matt Roe - Director of XC and T&F at Butler University: How to Develop Athletes
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We had one of the most passionate college coaches in the country on the pod in episode 42 with Coach Matt Roe of Butler University.
Coach Roe began at Butler in 2007 and has helped coach over 50 All-Americans, countless Big East titles and sustain a program in the top 20 in the country over the last several years.
Coach Roe knows it isn't easy getting the highest rating recruits to Butler and explains how their system of developing the athletes year over year has proven successful for them.
Tune in to a great episode that highlights how you can build a program on discipline, strong acedemics and a passion for the sport.
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1 hr 8 min
#041: World Road Running Champs Recap, Strength Training Takes and Race Day Superstitions
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Tune in to episode 41 to hear all of our takes on the World Road Running Champs! From the upset in the 5K to Almgren's historic performance in the half.
Could Vinny Mauri be the best American distance runner of all time? Keeton thinks so if he can keep training the way he is.
Biggest question of the pod: Does strength training make you slower?? Hear out takes on this and some of the discussion might make you start thinking differently than normal.
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1 hr 12 min
#040: Ethan Shuley - From Injury Prone and 60 Mile Weeks to 2:07 in the Marathon
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Ethan Shuley joined the Evening Double for episode 40! Ethan grew up in Northern Kentucky and ran 2:07:14 in February 2026 at the Osaka Marathon in Japan.
We discussed Ethan's journey from a high school runner, to his mission in Western Ukraine for two years before attending BYU with teammates Connor Mantz, Clayton Young and Rory Linkletter to name a few.
Ethan went from being injury prone, running 60 mile weeks and on the verge of quitting running to, at the time, running the 6th fastest American marathon.
Tune in to hear all of Ethan's journey to being a professional athlete with Asics and his goals for Valencia this fall!
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1 hr 10 min
#039: Berlin Marathon Preview and How to Mentally Prepare in the Final Days
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On this episode, Ryan did a one-on-one with Chris Striegel who is officially in Berlin Marathon week!
We dove in to what it's been like having a marathon build for an earlier fall marathon and training through the summer heat. He also did this build while juggling a newborn and doing a lot of his runs midday in the sun.
He's been feeling alot of fatigue the last couple of weeks of this build and struggling to hit a couple workouts near the end and we did a deep dive into what this may be and how he is mentally preparing for Sunday in Berlin.
Tune in for a great episode that highlights how real the taper crazies can be!
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1 hr 17 min
#038: Alphafly 4's Overrated? World Running Champs Preview & 7 Weeks to Indy and 11 Weeks to CIM!
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Listen to our takes on the new Nike Alphafly 4 release and why we think Nike took a different approach to this shoe than many other companies are taking.
We're officially only 7 weeks out from Indy and 11 weeks out from CIM. The fall marathon season goes fast and tune in to hear where we're at in training, what workouts we've been doing and tune-up races before the A-race.
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1 hr 9 min
#037: Adam Kiesler - Director of T&F / XC at Murray State University
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Adam Kiesler, Murray State's Director of Track & Field and Cross Country joined the pod!
Adam is in year 16 with the program and his 8th as the director over everything. After competing for Michigan T&F in college, he quickly knew he wanted to become a coach.
We discussed everything from what he looks for in an athlete during recruiting, what major changes he's seen in college athletics over the last 5-10 years and what is was like coaching athletes who went to the Olympic trails.
If you're interested in college athletics, have a son or daughter looking to run in college or are a current high school / college athlete, this podcast is for you!
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1 hr 19 min
#036: Ryan Carney on Shoes, Treadmill Threshold and Training Strategies
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On this episode we had good friend Ryan Carney back on the pod! Ryan is full of running knowledge with being in the sport for over 25 years now.
We discussed how he’s structuring his training differently from last year’s Indianapolis marathon block and why adding some new variances are beneficial.
We also talked about his favorite shoes he’s had, the best workout shoes, best trainers and best overall shoe company right now.
We closed it out talking about the benefits of threshold treadmill workouts and why someone should add this into their training.
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1 hr 1 min
#035: How a Shift in Mindset Can Lead to Faster Race Times
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On episode 35 we discussed the mental side of running and how a change in mindset may help improve your race times, without a change in training.
We also discussed how to structure a week, Erik talked about his 3 week training rotation and Keeton discussed why hitting race pace on workouts may not actually be the key to success.
We closed the episode out answering some questions sent in and the non-negotiables in training.
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1 hr 2 min
#034: How to Stay Motivated When the Going Gets Tough
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Episode 34 was full of insights of how to stay motivated when you either don't have a race on the schedule, the heat is kicking your butt or getting through the freezing cold in the winter.
We also broke down Clayton Young's American record attempt in Chicago and why we feel the record may fall, but it not be him taking it.
We also talked through some of our training updates and Keeton's Cow Harbor 10K on deck.
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