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18
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Typical length
44 min
On air since
2026
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Episodes

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  1. Beff Jezos: Thermodynamic Computing, e/acc & the Future of AI

    Show notes

    in conversation with Guillaume Verdon (Beff Jezos) on thermodynamic computing, e/acc & the future of AI

    we sat down in the woods in SF to follow the thread from a kid obsessed with the cosmos to Google Quantum, Extropic, and learning to build intelligence from the physics of nature.

    I was so charmed by the creative, soulful center that came through in this conversation. we talk about the masks we learn to wear, the cost of being misunderstood, forgiveness & what it takes to keep an open heart as more people have access to you.

    and woven through all of it: how do our beliefs shape the futures we build? how do we stay embodied as AI accelerates? what new aesthetics might help us imagine what comes next?

    so much science, philosophy & humanity in this one. curious what stays with you.

    dive in:

    00:00 In conversation with Beff Jezos

    00:22 Guillaume's origins

    04:30 The masks we learn to wear

    08:10 Training the mind for hardship

    12:22 From physics to quantum AI

    17:06 Learning to program nature

    21:43 Thermodynamic computing: beyond quantum

    27:08 Karl Friston, active inference & the brain

    28:47 Hyperstition: how beliefs shape the future

    32:52 The origins of e/acc

    35:10 Beyond pure reason

    37:36 Other compute substrates

    41:05 Maxwell’s demon & the energy cost of computing

    45:45 Betrayal and understanding people

    48:54 The cost of public visibility

    55:00 Learning to be misunderstood

    56:06 Forgiveness and boundaries

    58:30 How we change our beliefs

    1:01:41 Discernment and an open heart

    1:05:35 Facing an uncertain future

    1:09:18 Biology & merging with AI

    1:12:57 New ideas need new aesthetics

    1:15:58 Climbing the Kardashev scale

    1:18:44 Building Kardashev Research

    1:20:48 Who gets to control intelligence?

    1:23:49 Building the next computing paradigm

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    Guillaume / Beff: https://x.com/beffjezos

    Extropic: https://extropic.ai/

    #ThermodynamicComputing #ArtificialIntelligence #eacc

    1 hr 26 min
  2. Try Not to Laugh: Tech Twitter Edition ft. Jayden (Creatine Cycle)

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    try not to laugh, tech Twitter edition. Jayden (Atlas / @creatine_cycle) and i read each other's tweets aloud in San Francisco. if you laugh, you drink. yes, it's real wine in the coffee mugs.

    i had my AI agents dig through our posts for the funniest ones. we ended up with AGI jokes, the Anthropic Slack, Corgi lore, dating in SF, cappuccinos, and a reminder that the replies are where things get truly unhinged.

    the timeline has felt so serious lately. this felt like a good use of a Wednesday afternoon :)

    who actually won? and which tweet got you?

    CHAPTERS
    00:00 real wine, real tweets: the game
    02:09 unlimited chat, no tokens spent
    04:56 sparkling linear algebra & AI dating jokes
    06:21 the Anthropic Slack
    10:02 selfies, calendars & cracked engineers
    13:46 Corgi lore & cappuccino priorities
    18:35 round two: the replies get unhinged
    23:17 AI slop & posting through it
    26:24 Claude agents & Rick and Morty
    29:17 group chat names & more timeline lore
    34:33 our parents on AI
    36:22 the timeline needs to have more fun
    40:00 rogue AI agents & Codex YOLO mode
    41:30 the final tweets & who won

    Jayden / Atlas: https://x.com/creatine_cycle
    More from me: https://ashe.ai

    43 min
  3. Rogue AI Agents & What Should Stay Human | Ben Hylak

    Season 1, Episode 16

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    An AI agent can follow your instructions and still do the wrong thing. So how do we know when our agents are going off track—and what should we choose not to automate?

    In conversation with Ben Hylak, cofounder of Raindrop and former Apple designer, in San Francisco's North Beach. We get into rogue AI agents, agent observability, AI safety, privacy, and why more capable models can create more ways for things to go wrong.

    And then... the parts of life we don't want to automate. Friendship, faith, love, doing hard things, and having the freedom to build. I'm interested in the people behind the tools, and what we're building all of this for.

    We also talk about Apple's design culture, rage bait on the tech timeline, AI coding, and what it means to feel cared for by an agent.

    Dive in:
    00:00 Meet Ben Hylak
    00:55 From a Pennsylvania farm to Apple
    03:10 Building Raindrop and detecting agent failures
    06:05 Rage bait and the social cost of tech marketing
    11:46 Rogue agents, alignment, and defining failure
    18:46 Why AGI would not end mistakes
    21:39 What the AI safety conversation leaves out
    25:03 Who owns the AI agent interface?
    28:38 AI coding, code review, and two-person teams
    32:27 Privacy needs more than permissions
    35:41 Feeling cared for by an AI agent
    37:57 What should stay human?
    41:39 Faith, doubt, and discipline
    44:48 Love, friendship, and reasons to build
    47:46 Growing up with the freedom to make things
    50:19 Raindrop, hiring, and closing thoughts

    Very curious what you think: what would you choose not to automate?

    Ben: https://x.com/benhylak
    Raindrop: https://www.raindrop.ai/

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    51 min
  4. Kimi K3 and Chinese AI, American AI Researcher Debates, and X Influence with Signüll

    Season 1, Episode 15

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    In this episode, I sit down with Signull—one of the most recognizable anonymous voices in technology—for a conversation that spans artificial intelligence, open-weight models, entrepreneurship, venture capital, spirituality, and the future of human intelligence.

    We begin with the story behind Signal’s anonymous Shakespeare persona and how an online pseudonym unexpectedly became one of the most influential voices in the AI ecosystem. From there, we explore what it means to build at the frontier of technology, why incentives shape nearly every public conversation, and how founders, researchers, investors, and policymakers influence the direction of artificial intelligence.

    We also dive into the rapid rise of open-weight AI models, the implications of Kimi K3, competition between American AI labs and China, whether intelligence becomes commoditized, and what lasting advantages companies like OpenAI and Anthropic can realistically maintain as model performance converges.

    The conversation then shifts toward creativity, company building, and entrepreneurship: finding leverage, building products people genuinely love, balancing writing with investing, and why uncertainty is an unavoidable part of creating something meaningful.

    Finally, we venture into spirituality and philosophy—simulation theory, synchronicity, psychedelics, migraines, the Bhagavad Gita, dharma, and the relationship between technology and the search for meaning.

    Whether you’re an AI researcher, founder, engineer, investor, or simply fascinated by the future of technology, this conversation offers a thoughtful look at where artificial intelligence is heading—and what it means for the people building it.

    Topics discussed: • Artificial intelligence and large language models • Open-weight AI and Kimi K3 • OpenAI, Anthropic, and the future of frontier models • China and the global AI race • Entrepreneurship and startup building • Venture capital and investing • Incentives, trust, and online discourse • Anonymous internet identities • Creativity and technology • Simulation theory, spirituality, and philosophy • The Bhagavad Gita and finding meaning while building

    If you enjoy conversations at the intersection of computer science, AI, startups, philosophy, and spirituality, subscribe and follow for future episodes.

    1 hr 3 min
  5. On the Frontier of Ocean Robotics

    Season 1, Episode 14

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    Will O'Brien, founder of Ulysses, is building underwater robots and autonomous drones to do the important work of the ocean, for industry, researchers, and the U.S. Navy. In this episode we go deep (literally) on ocean tech, underwater autonomy, illegal fishing, mine detection, UFOs in the ocean, faith, growing up Irish, and why he thinks reading is overrated in San Francisco.We cover the frontier of subsea robotics: why only ~2,000 underwater drones are built each year vs. 50 million aerial drones, the unsolved problem of underwater communications (acoustics vs. optical), decoding whale and dolphin song with AI, and the USS Nimitz "Tic Tac" UFO case. Plus: spearfishing invasive lionfish in the Cayman Islands, the Irish language, trad music, Catholicism, and building a company culture that takes the work seriously but not itself.If you're into ocean technology, robotics startups, marine science, defense tech, or founder stories, this one's for you.🌊 Ulysses is hiring across engineering and more.⏱️ CHAPTERS0:00 Cold ocean dips & morning swims01:05 What is Ulysses? Underwater robots for industry, researchers & the Navy03:38 Growing up by the sea in Ireland05:37 Speed-running friendships from Twitter/X07:44 The Irish language10:58: Will's aesthetic inspiration13:22 The state of underwater autonomy (2,000 vs. 50 million drones)15:08 Decoding whale & dolphin acoustics with AI17:23 Hot take: reading is overrated in SF19:34 Faith journey: Catholic → Buddhism in Nepal → back to Catholicism23:14 UFOs, disclosure & non-human intelligence27:01 Illegal fishing, mine detection & the Strait of Hormuz29:38 The frontier: autonomous subsea robotic manipulation31:07 Scuba diving & spearfishing lionfish (closest call underwater)34:37 Ulysses is hiring🔗 LINKSUlysses: https://www.theoceancompany.com/Follow Will on X: https://x.com/Willob📲 CONNECTSubscribe for more founder interviews on ocean tech, robotics & AI: https://www.youtube.com/@ashe_aiInstagram: https://instagram.com/ashebytesX / Twitter: https://x.com/ashebytes#OceanTech #UnderwaterRobots #Robotics #StartupFounder #DefenseTech #MarineTech #AI #Ulysses #UFO #Ireland #DeepTech #Autonomy #Podcast #SanFrancisco

    41 min
  6. From Math to Mysticism: On AI's Acceleration of Spirituality

    Season 1, Episode 13

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    What happens to meaning when AI accelerates faster than our nervous systems can handle? In this episode of In Conversation With, I sit down with Nicole, astrologer, writer, and rationalist, to trace the path from math to mysticism: why engineers, physicists, and tech builders are turning to astrology, tarot, psychedelics, and the occult during a moment of profound uncertainty.We get into synchronicity and Jung's scarab, the spiritual vacuum left by the Enlightenment, plant medicine and ego death, Rudolf Steiner's warning about Ahriman and the cold mechanistic intellect of technology, non-duality and the singularity, manifestation vs. the shadow, quantum physics and the observer effect, and what really happens when people have deep spiritual experiences with LLMs like Claude and ChatGPT, including local models and "parasitic AI."If your nervous system feels shot to hell and you're searching for something bigger than yourself to hold onto, this one's for you.🔮 Connect with Nicole: X https://x.com/digitlartifacts & Substack https://substack.com/@digitalartifacts🔮 DM Nicole on X to learn more about her chart readings📩 My weekly newsletter: https://ashe.ai/newsletter🐺 Follow me: X https://x.com/ashebytes • Instagram https://instagram.com/ashebytesRecorded during Edge City, Healdsburg @JoinEdgeCity ⏱️ Chapters00:00 Intro: synchronicity & the spiritual vacuum AI is opening up01:21 Why the Enlightenment left us without shared meaning04:23 Where to start when your nervous system is shot to hell07:27 Plant medicine: the real upside and the real risks09:16 Astrology as a mirror, not a fate sentence11:33 Spiritual emergency & overwhelming synchronicity13:42 Rudolf Steiner predicted AI in 1919 (Ahriman & Lucifer)17:46 The 60s, decentralized truth & the loss of a mainstream18:53 Erik Davis, the occult resurgence & conspiracy going mainstream22:11 Reality glitches: Jung's golden scarab story29:12 Manifestation, the shadow & hyperstition31:54 Quantum physics & the observer effect35:40 Ego death, psychedelics & dying before you die39:25 Escape velocity, longevity & SF's relationship with death42:35 Richard Tarnas: the myth of progress vs the myth of the fall44:44 Approaching reality as a mystery, not a machine46:54 How frontier labs constrained spiritual & creative use48:53 Local models, "parasitic AI" & seed phrases between models50:47 Edge City & why in-real-life community matters52:28 The chart reading & astrology as intimate mirror55:17 Esalen, relationships & you can't heal someone for them1:00:09 Tarot, the hero's journey & the tower before the star1:02:11 Religion, Catholicism & the drive toward self-betterment1:03:16 Gender-war content, psyops & emotional manipulation#AIandSpirituality #Astrology #Synchronicity #Psychedelics #TechAndMeaning #Tarot #Consciousness #NonDuality #Manifestation #SanFrancisco

    1 hr 5 min
  7. On the Frontier of Peptides in 2026

    Season 1, Episode 12

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    on the frontier of peptides & community in conversation with Tori Pastore @bonecondor 00:55 an intro to peptides 08:13 on peptides removing food noise: tori’s experience 14:30 dosing and combatting food engineering 16:14 on the verge of shapeshifting 20:30 bending attention, corporate surrealism, and Tori being a fan of Roy Lee29:35 the post-atomic bomb societal shift and the origins of “hipster” 35:17 techno optimism

    38 min
  8. On the Frontier of AI Slop Detection

    Season 1, Episode 10

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    In conversation with Max Spero and @PangramLabs From the grifters, to auto reply bots, to russian influence campaigns, to the rising cost of trainingDive in:00:36 Max's background & pangram labs05:27 AI slop attack vectors13:19 Is this an intractable problem?18:48 The relational value of content21:36 A surprising learning...29:36 Customer problems we're not talking enough about37:04 Forecasting compute43:52 Pangram Labs is hiring!

    48 min
  9. On the Frontier of Consumer Wearables: Building a Private AI Voice Ring

    Season 1, Episode 5

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    In conversation with Mina Fahmi, CEO of Sandbar00:34 Mina's background01:42 Robotics, neural interfaces, and hardware06:06 Bringing nervous system work into designing AI products10:25 Building with voice12:38 AI extending self-concept19:05 AI sycophancy24:58 Agentic memory30:11 Hardware decisions at Sandbar34:16 Hiring at Sandbar36:04 Bringing AI to more people

    41 min
  10. New Branding Playbooks in Tech Media

    Season 1, Episode 9

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    On the frontier of storytelling In conversation with Erika Lee, leading branding at Corgi, from their new 24/7 SF cafe. The old branding playbooks are being thrown out the window… & something new is taking it’s place. Whatever form it takes, human resonance will always be what sells, and Erika embodies this.Erika has journeyed from local news broadcasting to crypto to AI…and is now bringing some LA energy to SF (woo!)Dive in: 00:22 Who is Erika Lee? 03:46 What is Corgi? 05:43 New branding playbooks 14:52 What are folks getting wrong about branding 21:10 What can AI learn from crypto? 29:10 Working in local news 34:30 Corgi & startup Insurance

    37 min
  11. Agent memory, continual learning, & family-building

    Season 1, Episode 4

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    On agent factories, memory, continual learning & building on the frontier while growing a familyIn conversation withSam Whitmore, engineering at @Cursor I am so excited to share this because I have been inspired by Sam for years...and this joins agentic products+memory with shining a light on pregnancy and raising a young family← we need more conversations on both!Dive in:00:25 Sam’s background01:38 Family building while in frontier tech11:50 Agent factories15:46 Continual learning, agent self-awareness, memory, and user goal alignment23:51 Building a thoughtful product culture at Cursor27:00 Thinking about defensibility in 202630:01 Selling outside of the tech/X bubble35:12 On reading fiction38:32 On pregnancy, hormones, and building42:58 On agent predictions for the next 6 months46:35 Hiring at CursorFollow Sam on X: https://x.com/sjwhitmoreFollow me on X: https://x.com/ashebytes

    48 min
  12. On Frontier Tech Communities | Edge City & Timour Kosters

    Season 1, Episode 7

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    On pop up villages for folks in frontier tech & science In conversation with Timour KostersTimour and the Edge City team are on the cutting edge of curating in real life connections for folks on the frontier. In fact, a KPI they have are number of kids conceived because of Edge! Dive in: 00:28 Timour’s background04:55 Edge City - pop up villages for people in frontier tech + science 07:45 The crisis of dating & closely connecting 10:35 More kids in society15:37 Funding models for the residencies20:03 Reconceptualizing national identities 22:47 Safeguards to create communities that feel safe27:43 Renormalizing mistakes within community 30:05 Berlin as inspiration for a post AGI city34:27 Identity leaps 36:36 Advice for people who feel disconnected 41:36 Edgeclaw: openclaw for IRL meetups44:27 Frontier tech: Vasocomputation 48:09 The next generation of Occupy Wall Street, Arab Spring etc 54:03 Edge city invitation

    56 min
  13. On Frontier Science: AI, Physics, and Energy Breakthroughs in 2026 | Danielle Fong

    Season 1, Episode 6

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    Stepping into the golden age of energy techIn conversation with Danielle Fong https://x.com/DanielleFong00:45 Danielle’s background, starting with college at 12 4:16 The global energy crisis 11:15 Productizing: from drones to data centers14:00 Powering your future openclaw with propane 14:34 Selling to the US gov vs consumer applications 19:30 AI, data centers, and new energy sources23:25 Agentic tools at Lightcell 27:54 Leveraging models across providers 29:54 Iterating on frontier science 43:22 Hyperscalers and the golden age of energy tech

    43 min
  14. Building Consumer Hardware in 2026 | Andy Kong

    Season 1, Episode 5

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    On building consumer wearables in 2026In conversation with Andy Kong @oldestasian interested in hardware? me too. fascinating chat, amazing lab aesthetic

    00:00 quiz-bowl buzzers to the SF wearables scene

    02:25 pebble, kickstarter, and what's changed

    05:49 2 ways of developing wearables

    06:59 CMs, budgets, and designing your own board

    09:53 using Alibaba chat to source partners

    14:07 planning a shenzhen trip

    18:27 board vs mold design

    25:53 boston vs sf vs nyc for wearables

    30:00 LLMs + board design

    33:50 is hardware still hard?

    36:22 cubesats + chargerless

    37:11 validate publicly, quickly

    Apologies, this episode cuts out towards the end. My bad :,)

    46 min
  15. Building AI Products in Public | Zara Zhang

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    In only 6 months, Zara Zhang - learned to code - grew from 2k→47k followers- consistently goes viral with the products she ships...when it's harder than ever to go viral

    00:00 Builders want to learn how to put out content 01:40 Growing on X05:49 How to put out resonant content 10:19 Prolific building 11:47 2k→47k followers on X in 6 months16:59 Advice if you're new to vibe coding 22:31 Coding is the new form of literacy 27:19 Learning by building, safely & securely 28:06 The coding agent as the teacher 29:59 Coding models have gotten a lot better31:13 If you're building, you should be sharing 32:18 Software as a form of self-expression 34:42 People want raw, messy content 37:18 How to learn to code now

    44 min
  16. AI & Compute

    Season 1, Episode 3

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    In conversation with Evan Conrad, CEO of SF Compute00:00 Rolling with the punches00:36 Bank account is going to $003:10 The upcoming compute shortage4:06 SF Compute as the chill GPU cloud provider company

    8 min
  17. On SF Tech Media Growth & Creativity

    Season 1, Episode 2

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    In an era in which anyone can build anything, the builder playbook must include cultivating an audience. Matt Palmer has done this exceptionally well across platforms with his developer community. Matt breaks down the mindset for starting out with tech media and growing. 00:22 What are people getting wrong about the tech media landscape? 04:01 Few people ask about what it means to bring authenticity to content 05:34 On olympic weightlifting 06:30 On botanical sketches07:57 On separating from brand affiliation with content creation 08:28 On the techie to creative skillset switch 10:00 Favorite films11:54 The demand for storytellers 16:30 Consistency wins out over everything 18:00 Advice to ML/AI researchers who want to create content 20:47 On being silly 26:00 On the feeling of not being enough in content creation Follow Matt on X: https://x.com/mattypFollow Ashe on X: https://x.com/ashebytes

    28 min
  18. Feeling the Acceleration in SF & Entering the Year of the Fire Horse

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    On feeling the AI acceleration in SF, Entering the Year of the Fire Horse, and Staying Grounded in Community

    In conversation with Loewen Cavill, CEO of Amira and previously Google X & MIT.

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    11 min