Infamous

Emily Gellis went after diet guru Tanya Zuckerbrot on Instagram. Now she’s paying for it—literally, for the next 40 years. Vanessa and Natalie ask influencer and commentator Meredith Lynch from the podcast The Moment LIVE to explain how a fight over fiber turned into an epic legal battle. If you want to talk to Natalie and Vanessa, follow us on our new Instagram at @infamouspod⁠⁠!

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Did Nathan Fielder expose Theranos’s Elizabeth Holmes—or exploit her? Vanessa and Natalie disagree about his new documentary, You Can See Everything, which follows the blood-testing startup founder before she starts an 11 year prison sentence for defrauding investors. Tech writer and guest host of Hard Fork, Max Read, joins the debate, while New York Times reporter,Erin Griffith, separates the Theranos facts from the fiction. If you want to talk to Natalie and Vanessa, drop us a line on Instagram at @infamouspod!

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It’s becoming increasingly clear that Elon Musk is a negative force in the world, even if he started as a big thinker about cars and space and much more. A new Alex Gibney documentary explores the billionaire’s relationships with the women who have borne his 14 children—and the unusual arrangements that keep them connected. Vanessa and Natalie talk with the exceptional writer and podcaster Virginia Heffernan about Musk’s growing family and his obsession with making more babies.
For more from Virginia, check out her Substack and listen to her podcast.

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Before Colman Domingo became one of Hollywood’s most celebrated actors, he played a salamander on stilts in a political children’s circus. On the first episode of Fair Game, Vanity Fair’s new interview series, Mark Guiducci sits down with Domingo for a wide-ranging conversation about the unconventional path that led him to where he is today. Domingo talks about becoming a peacemaker on the set of Euphoria, playing Joe Jackson in Michael, his approach to style, and the career he built across acting, writing, directing, singing, and dancing. “There’s no career that looks like mine,” Domingo says. “I created this space for myself. But it’s not because I wanted to, it’s because I had to.”

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This week on Infamous, Vanessa and Natalie look at Cruise’s rise within Scientology and what the church has allegedly meant for his career and personal life. Our guest is Julian Walker, the co-host of Conspirituality Podcast, which investigates the intersections of conspiracy theories and spiritual influence, to uncover cults, pseudoscience, and authoritarian extremism. He is also co-author of the 2023 book, Conspirituality: How New Age Conspiracies Became a Health Threat. Julian grew up under Apartheid in South Africa, and first became interested in cults and conspiracy theories during his 30+ years working in the yoga and wellness industry in Los Angeles. His Patreon Bonus episode, Scientology’s Sci-Fi Religion is part of an extended series there called The Roots of Conspirituality, which traces a path from the 1840's Great Awakening on America’s East Coast, through new religious movements that evolve to incorporate yoga, reincarnation, enlightened gurus, UFOs and communication with aliens—culminating in the QAnon phenomenon, 180 years later.

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We're off for a bit but will be back next week!

Who killed Tupac? Thirty years later, a jury finally has an answer. Journalist Jeff Weiss joins Vanessa and Natalie to revisit Tupac and Biggie’s deadly feud, the lingering questions around Diddy, and the man whose own words helped put him behind bars.

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For years, Meta has insisted that it’s up to parents to keep kids safe online. But after an $18 billion settlement over allegations that its platforms harm young people, is that argument finally falling apart? TIME correspondent Naomi Nix joins Vanessa and Natalie to discuss.

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Tyra Banks says Netflix manipulated her three-and-a-half-hour interview to make her look callous. Netflix’s response? Mostly: you of all people should know how editing works. Vanessa and Natalie unpack the legal battle and look back at Tyra’s very strange journey from supermodel to mogul, girlboss, novelist, and “hot ice cream” entrepreneur.

For more, check out our ⁠other episode⁠ on America’s Next Top Model, where we discuss the show’s biggest controversies and Tyra's role in them.

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We are off next week but will be back the following one with an all new episode.

We all saw the Coldplay kiss cam. But what happened to Kristin Cabot after the internet moved on? And why haven't there been big viral moments like this in 2026? New York Times correspondent Lisa Miller joins Vanessa and Natalie to talk about the woman behind the meme, and the brutal consequences of going viral. Read Lisa’s excellent article, “The Ritual Shaming of the Woman at the Coldplay Concert.”

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With guest Brittany Spanos, writer of the wonderful BRIT POP Substack, we discuss how Ariana Grande’s rise from Nickelodeon star to one of the biggest stars in the world has been packed with ambition, reinvention, and pop hits. These days, her album Petal is hitting #1, but she’s also announced she’s stepping back from public life.

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Vanessa and Natalie talk to Lara Marie Schoenhals of Sexy Unique Podcast about her own experience at The Cascade School—as well as Paris’s. They also discuss how incredible it is that Paris had endured several troubled teen schools before she appeared as a sheltered ditz on The Simple Life.

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When Paris Hilton publicly revealed the abuse she says she endured at Provo Canyon School, it ignited a movement—and now, that school is closed. Journalist Maia Szalavitz joins Vanessa and Natalie to talk about how she exposed the industry’s hidden world in her landmark book, Help at Any Cost: How the Troubled-Teen Industry Cons Parents and Hurts Kids. We talk to Maia about what Paris’s story changed, what it didn’t, and why the fight for accountability is far from over.

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Andrew Tate built an online empire by selling young men a fantasy of wealth, dominance, and absolute power over women. But behind the cartoonish “pimp” persona, prosecutors allege something way darker: a sprawling human trafficking operation. New Yorker investigative reporter Heidi Blake joins Vanessa and Natalie to discuss her excellent article, “Andrew Tate’s Empire of Abuse.”
Since this conversation was recorded, the brothers have been arrested in Miami and are fighting extradition to the UK, where they now face dozens of criminal charges. Both men deny wrongdoing.

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When Sydney Sweeney’s “great jeans” ad ignited accusations of coded messaging, was it a genuine cultural firestorm—or the predictable outcome of an algorithm that rewards outrage above all else? Lane Brown from New York magazine joins us to talk about the rise of “clipping” and his amazing feature story, The Feed is Fake.

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The Brangelina divorce has lasted far longer than the marriage itself. Nearly a decade after Angelina Jolie filed for divorce from Brad Pitt, the former couple is still locked in a bitter fight over custody, money, and their French vineyard. Now, some of their children appear to be dropping “Pitt” from their names. This week, Natalie and Vanessa unpack how one of Hollywood’s most famous love stories became one of its messiest family feuds.
Have thoughts about Brangelina’s ongoing Rosé War? Follow us on our new Instagram @infamouspod and let us know what you think!

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The new space race isn't between nations but rather between billionaires. With our guest Tim Higgins of the Wall Street Journal, we unpack how Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk turned a decades-old dream of private spaceflight into one of the fiercest rivalries in business, as rockets, fortunes, and outsized personalities collide.

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Amy Griffin's bestselling memoir The Tell was celebrated by Oprah and Reese Witherspoon as a powerful story of recovered memories, trauma, and healing, until a lawsuit was filed more recently. In this episode, we discuss The New York Times stories on the topic, and unpack the controversy surrounding Griffin. Griffin's attorney has defended her and called the lawsuit bogus, saying “we look forward to exposing these meritless claims in court, as well as the deeply flawed New York Times reporting that is at the center of it.” Since this episode was recorded, Amy Griffin has filed suit in Nevada.

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Matthew Perry was a beloved star making a million dollars an episode on Friends. But he could never shake his addiction to drugs, and died at 54 after taking ketamine in his backyard hot tub. Now, the criminal case tied to his death has wrapped, with his assistant, doctors, dealers, and the so-called “Ketamine Queen” sentenced for their roles.

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You may use ChatGPT or Claude every day, but how much do you know about the guys running those companies? One of them, Sam Altman, has come under a ton of fire recently. He transformed OpenAI from a nonprofit lab into one of the most powerful and controversial companies in Silicon Valley, raising billions in funding and steering the development of ChatGPT into a product used by hundreds of millions of people worldwide. But Andrew Marantz, staff writer at The New Yorker, spent 18 months co-authoring an article with Ronan Farrow that asks if he can be trusted.

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This week on Infamous, author M.J. Corey joins Vanessa and Natalie to talk about her provocative new book, Dekonstructing the Kardashians: A New Media Manifesto. Together, they unpack how the Kardashian era reshaped faces via plastic surgery, and about the way ordinary people document, brand, monetize, and perform their own lives online. For more from MJ, follow her on Instagram: @mjcorey.

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