Podcast

Marketing Meditations

Business, Marketing

Every episode, I pull one idea from a classic marketing text (Hopkins, Ogilvy, etc. - AKA the ones still worth stealing from) and translate it into something you can use in your work as a marketer or business leader today.

Episodes
2
Releases
Daily
Typical length
38 min
On air since
2026
Latest episode
4 days ago

Episodes

2 episodes, newest first

  1. 002 How to Write Headlines and Copy People Read

    Episode 2

    Show notes

    David Ogilvy wrote that once you have written your headline, you have spent 80 cents of your dollar. In this episode, I read passages from Confessions of an Advertising Man on the work before and after the headline: the homework, the headline itself, body copy and plain communication. I translate each into something you can use in your work today.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 - Headlines: 80 cents of your dollar
    • 00:42 - Why this show exists, and what this episode covers
    • 01:44 - Ogilvy on writing well, and why boring is a sin
    • 03:40 - His last will and testament: study the product, promise a benefit
    • 04:22 - Do the homework: become the best-informed person on the account
    • 06:38 - Give the facts
    • 08:31 - Details matter, and the 35-pound figure
    • 09:55 - How to write potent copy
    • 10:15 - The ten headline guides
    • 14:04 - Clear versus clever
    • 15:11 - Body copy: write to one person, be specific
    • 15:55 - Long copy: Schlitz and the Rolls-Royce ads
    • 16:45 - Every ad is a complete sales pitch
    • 17:03 - Testimonials
    • 17:54 - Helpful advice
    • 18:23 - Why the multi-step ad funnel falls short
    • 19:34 - Good content, and why giving value builds reciprocity
    • 20:43 - Captions
    • 21:38 - Formatting long copy
    • 22:57 - "Broetry" and timeless principles
    • 23:44 - Plain writing: jargon and acronyms
    • 24:44 - Presentations, rehearsal and AI slides
    • 26:15 - Be brief, be brilliant, be gone
    • 28:00 - The unconscious, and a closing example of clear writing
    • 29:41 - Close, guide and book

    What's inside the playbook

    • A ten-check headline scorecard, with space to write sixteen headlines
    • A copy and clarity checklist for body copy, long copy and everyday communication

    Get the free playbook:
    https://www.derevaco.com/marketing-meditations/how-to-write-headlines-and-copy-playbook/

    Read along:
    Confessions of an Advertising Man by David Ogilvy: https://link.amazon/B00Gp1lUC

    Link to podcast episode page:
    https://www.derevaco.com/marketing-meditations/how-to-write-headlines-and-copy/

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    001: Why Marketers Ignore What Works and Repeat What Doesn't

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  2. 001 Why Marketers Ignore What Works and Repeat What Doesn't

    Episode 1

    Show notes

    David Ogilvy counted 49 ads in a single magazine issue that ignored a rule research had already settled. In this first episode, I read passages from Confessions of an Advertising Man on why marketers skip evidence that exists, and translate each into something you can use in your work today.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 - The pig and the truffles: knowledge over ignorance
    • 00:27 - Why this show exists, and why Ogilvy is the hub
    • 02:19 - "Allergic to rules": rules, frameworks, playbooks and skills
    • 03:41 - 49 ads in reverse type, years after the research
    • 05:23 - Why marketing teaches no underlying principles
    • 05:46 - Ogilvy's lessons: the 19-to-1 gap and promising a benefit
    • 07:11 - The Magic Lantern: do rules make work dull?
    • 09:09 - Price-off deals and the short-term trap
    • 11:06 - The 15% and the 85%
    • 12:47 - The trap of more
    • 15:10 - Approval layers, flat fees and incentives
    • 18:09 - A moving parade, not a standing army
    • 19:47 - Test everything
    • 21:17 - Sell the outcome, then choose the promise
    • 24:06 - Give the facts
    • 26:56 - Brand image, and research as a lamppost
    • 28:43 - The brand as a coefficient
    • 29:45 - The ice-box policy
    • 31:27 - Testimonials and the question "Are you for me?"
    • 33:02 - Why award-winning ads prove little
    • 34:32 - Curiosity, photographs and faces
    • 39:08 - Match the medium
    • 41:35 - Problem, remedy, proof
    • 42:46 - Why specialists win
    • 44:58 - Close, playbook and book

    What's inside the playbook

    • Nine principles from the episode, each with Ogilvy's evidence and a question to ask of your own work
    • The Audit: a worksheet for grading your last five assets
    • A decision rule for what to treat as settled and what to test

    Get the playbook:
    https://www.derevaco.com/marketing-meditations/ignore-what-works-playbook/

    Read along:
    Confessions of an Advertising Man by David Ogilvy: https://link.amazon/B00Gp1lUC

    Link to podcast episode page:
    https://www.derevaco.com/marketing-meditations/ignore-what-works/

    47 min