Menu Talk

Lisa Dahl is the chef and owner of six restaurants in Sedona, Arizona, where she landed more than 30 years ago, moving from the San Francisco Bay area after facing personal tragedy. She started with Dahl & Di Luca, a fine-dining Italian restaurant, and then went a bit more casual with Cucina Rustica. Next, she traveled to South America to study the meat culture there and opened Mariposa Latin-Inspired Grill, which is now the company's flagship. She learned how to cook beef well enough that her burger won statewide contests, so she ended up opening Butterfly Burger. She also has two pizzerias in Sedona named Pisa Lisa. In 2024, she launched the Lisa Dahl Foundation, which has Soup Hope as its cornerstone project, delivering nutritious jars of soup to people struggling with food insecurity. A short documentary about her, “Lisa Dahl: Blessed by Grace,” premiered last year at the Sedona Film Festival, and it will be available to stream on video platforms starting Nov. 12. Listen as Dahl describes her restaurants and her approach to running them.

Brad Wise, founder of Trust Restaurant Group, has built a meaty empire that stretches from its home base in San Diego to Washington state and Las Vegas. The flagship is Rare Society, a modern steakhouse, but the 15-restaurant collection also includes The Wise Ox, a combination butcher shop and fast casual specializing in overstuffed sandwiches.

Chef Wise is a master of meat, meticulous about everything from sourcing the best quality, to dry-aging beef, choosing wood for live-fire cooking, and developing signature menu items. The newest Wise Ox, which just opened in Las Vegas, is located off the Strip and out of the hotel zone in a mixed-use development called UnCommons that has become known as a culinary hub. Here, customers can purchase steaks and dry-aged ground beef to cook at home, or order up chef-created sandwiches like Smoked Bologna, Roast Beef with Havarti cheese and horseradish cream, and Peppered Turkey with Chipotle aioli.

Trust Restaurant Group has developed close relationships with meat suppliers and buys in volume, passing value on to customers. Listen as Chef Wise talks about his restaurant journey, how he is differentiating the menus at Rare Society and The Wise Ox, and what expansion plans he has in store for Trust Restaurant Group.

Kelly Whitaker had no intention of going back to Oklahoma. He was born in Tulsa and had spent time in Oklahoma City growing up, and he didn’t love it.

He didn’t hate it, but as far as the restaurant scene went, he didn’t see it going anywhere.

“I said, ‘It’s not gonna turn a corner and all of a sudden someone’s going to think of Oklahoma City as like a Portland or an Austin or something,’” he said.

But he now says he was wrong.

“I'll say it out loud again: I think it's one of the most interesting growth cities in America, by far,” he said.

That’s two years into owning Nonesuch, an award-winning 18-seat fine-dining chef’s-counter restaurant in OKC’s Midtown neighborhood that Whitaker bought in 2024. He had been following the restaurant since 2018, when Bon Appétit magazine named it America’s Best New Restaurant.

Whitaker is the head of Id Est Hospitality, based in Boulder, Colorado, which operates a number of highly acclaimed restaurants and bars in that area, including Basta, the Wolf’s Tailor, and Brutø. He has a very strong sustainability ethos. Wolf’s Tailor in Denver was one of the first restaurants in the country to focus on fermentation, and through Dry Storage, Id Est’s Boulder-based artisan bakery and commercial grain milling facility, Whitaker has worked with 13 farmers to cultivate around 1,000 acres of regeneratively-grown heritage grains in Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana, including Antero Wheat and Ryman Rye.

“That was not happening ten years ago,” he said.

Nonesuch executive chef Garrett Hare has a similar approach, and to Whitaker’s surprise so does much of Oklahoma City.

“Oklahoma’s mostly oil and gas, but wheat grows really well there,” said Whitaker, who has also contacted local tribes to discuss more usages for heritage corn.

“There are lots of opportunities, but you need to create demand,” he said. “You need restaurants to buy it for them to grow it.”

With all the growth in Oklahoma City, including professional sports and some of the 2028 Olympics games being played there, “and the art, the chefs, the neighborhoods, there’s just an absolute collective — it’s almost like a magic formula,” he said.

“I’m also encouraged by the conversations I’ve had with some of the folks who are building new infrastructure … They’re having meetings with us, so Nonesuch can help inform what’s going on. We’re excited to be a part of that conversation for the city.”

Listen to the full podcast in which Whitaker shares his vision for Nonesuch, including a reworked bar called Somesuch, and his further plans for Oklahoma City.

“We’re in for the long haul,” he said.

Steven Clarke, VP of marketing for Golden Krust, has worked his way up the family-run Jamaican fast-casual restaurant group. The first location opened in Bronx, N.Y. in 1989 by his uncle, Lowell Hawthorne, and Clarke continues to follow his uncle’s mission to bring a taste of Jamaica to the world. Golden Krust now numbers 100 units and has introduced generations of Americans to foods like braised oxtail, jerk chicken, curried goat, and Jamaican beef patties.

Every patty that Golden Krust serves has a piece of Jamaica in it — the Scotch bonnet peppers and thyme are grown on the island. When Hurricane Melissa hit Jamaica last year, many of the farms that grow those crops suffered severe damage. Clarke and the Golden Krust team have traveled down there to help those farmers replant and offer monetary support to rebuild school cafeterias and more.

Recently, the chain has gone through a major brand evolution under Clarke’s leadership, launching a new website, initiating online ordering and a loyalty program, updating digital menu boards, refreshing uniforms and packaging, and expanding into third-party delivery. Clarke’s goal is to make it more convenient for people to get their hands on the food by increasing points of accessibility, he said. Several of the items are now frozen and available nationwide at retail, including in 2,000 Walmart stores.

Listen now to find out about Golden Krust’s hurricane recovery efforts, how Clarke is continuing to evolve the brand, and what’s coming next for restaurant and retail growth and the menu.

We Got Company is a subtly music-themed bar in the trend-forward neighborhood of Williamsburg in Brooklyn, New York.

The founders, Jify Shah, Ian Everall, and Paul Ramirez met when working at the Cameo Gallery, a beloved music venue in Williamsburg owned by Shah that closed in 2015. They opened We Got Company four years later, and Ramirez, who had tended bar at Cameo and elsewhere, ended up as the head bartender.

The cocktails are almost all named after a song, but not necessarily a well-known or popular one. Instead, they’re often inspired by the songs of bands that the owners or friends of theirs played in.

There are other unusual aspects to the bar. It’s a seated-only venue — no standing around and jostling for the bartender’s attention — and the cocktails are generally made without heating any of the elements. Instead, Ramirez stirs them a lot, sometimes for hours during shifts. The result, however, is distinctive-tasting drinks that can’t be had elsewhere.

Listen as Ramirez discusses We Got Company and his approach to cocktail making.

Menu Talk: The executive chef followed his passion, pivoting from a teaching career to the restaurant world, and is making waves with his inspiring seafood menu.

Josh Hunt, executive chef at Cordelia Fishbar in Washington, D.C., started out as a high school Spanish teacher. After several years on the job, he realized his true passion was cooking — a passion he developed from a foundational memory of mom and grandma in the kitchen.

Although he had no formal culinary training, he landed a job at Hog & Hominy in Memphis, Tennessee, a lucky break since the restaurant’s head chefs had just been named to Food & Wine’s Best New Chefs list. Hunt was fortunate enough to work at Hog & Hominy for nine years and his career took off from there.

When the pandemic threw a wrench into the industry, he moved to D.C., bounced around at different restaurants and hotels, and landed at Cordelia Fishbar, one of the concepts in the well-known Clyde’s Restaurant Group.

Cordelia specializes in open-fire grilling and cooking in charcoal ovens, both of which infuse seafood with unique flavor. Hunt tries to source local species as much as possible, including rockfish, striped bass, crab, and oysters, gravitating toward simpler, more approachable preparations. He also dry ages salmon, turbot, and other seafood to deepen the flavor and enhance the texture.

Listen as he explains what differentiates the menu at Cordelia Fishbar, how he’s balancing the menu to offer value, and the innovative dishes he’s cooking up for fall and the holiday season.

Ryan Poli opened the first restaurant where he was the boss just three years ago. Before that, he’d spent decades running other people’s restaurants in Chicago — Butter, Perennial, Tavernita — as well as Catbird Seat in Nashville, but Iggy’s, an Italian restaurant in the Nashville neighborhood of Wedgewood-Houston, is the first one that he fully owns, with his brother Matthew Poli. Ryan’s the chef, and Matthew, a certified sommelier and cicerone, runs the front of the house.

Ryan Poli is highly credentialed, having trained at The French Laundry in the Napa Valley under Thomas Keller as well as at Le Français in the Chicago suburbs under Jean Banchet. He also worked overseas in Europe, Asia, and Australia, and gained further acclaim at Catbird Seat in Nashville.

Next came a somewhat tumultuous period in his life when he traveled the world to recenter himself. He staged with other chefs, including Dan Barber and Marc Vetri, worked overseas, and spent several months working with Will Goldfarb on the Indonesian island of Bali before returning home at the onset of the pandemic.

He and his brother opened in Iggy’s in 2023 under a business model that allowed everyone to get paid well while also turning a profit, and he has similar plans for Claymore, which the Polis plan to open a few blocks away in the first half of next year.

Listen as Poli discusses his journey, his management philosophy, and his plans for Claymore.

JoJo Hernandez worked as a chef at country clubs and fine-dining kitchens, but his culinary heart was always with his family’s Filipino cooking. He began introducing those cherished dishes to the Jacksonville, Florida, community through pop-ups at events, eventually operating a food truck while still helming the stove at his day job. But his lifelong dream was to have a brick-and-mortar restaurant with a menu highlighting Filipino recipes.

That dream became a reality in 2023, when, with his wife’s support, he took the plunge and opened Abstrakt Filipino Essence. It’s one of several Filipino restaurants in Jacksonville, which has the largest Filipino population in the state. In fact, Hernandez is co-founder of Jax Filipino Chefs, and every April, the city hosts a Filipino Food Month Trail, guiding residents and visitors to these culinary destinations.

He and his wife developed Abstrakt Filipino Essence with the goal of familiarizing diners with the cooking from his family’s culture, but he says it’s 80% authentic Filipino and 20% his own twist, garnered from years of experience working as a chef. Menu items like lumpia, chicken pancit, adobo chicken wings, and pork belly sisig embody his signature style.

Listen as chef-owner Hernandez describes how he blends Filipino cuisine with contemporary touches, how his dream restaurant continues to evolve, and why he relishes his role as an ambassador of Filipino culture.

Eric Leveillee is the culinary director of The DeBruce, a 12-roomboutique hotel in the Catskills community of Livingston Manor, N.Y., where he has worked since 2020, offering a seasonal tasting menu as well as regular à la carte service.

He spent his formative culinary years in Philadelphia aftergraduating from Temple University with a degree in economics. He started at a Mexican restaurant called El Camino Real, where he fell in love with his waitress and got a job in the kitchen to try to get to know her better. It worked — they’re still married — and Leveillee went on to pursue a cooking career, working at Vernick Food & Drink under Greg Vernick and then heading up the kitchen at Marigold.

His next stop was Lacroix at The Rittenhouse Hotel, wherehe worked during the runup to the pandemic and then ended up at The DeBruce.

He recently shared his perspective on highlighting theingredients that he sources from the area, buying most of his produce from a farmer within walking distance of the property, as well as the occasional import, such as the Mexican herb epazote that he said goes well with trout.

Christian Nuñez, owner of Buena Vista Restaurant & Barin New York City, was raised in a restaurant family, but he swore he wouldnever get into the business himself. All that changed when he was recruited ata Penn State college career fair by Chipotle Mexican Grill to become a managerin training.

He took his Chipotle experience home to his father’srestaurant, helping to turn it around into a profitable enterprise. He changedthe name, introduced a Latino happy hour, and upgraded the venue.

But in 2018, Nuñez wanted a place of his own with a moreupscale Euro-Latin menu and sophisticated cocktails. That was the debut of thefirst Buena Vista Restaurant & Bar in the Hell’s Kitchen neighborhood ofManhattan. This year, he opened two more locations within a few months of eachother — one in the East Village and the other in Murray Hill. A gutsy move tobe sure, but Nuñez has the ambition to grow Buena Vista into a larger restaurantbrand. Each location shares his vision but is slightly different, geared to itsparticular neighborhood through its design, ambiance, and menu mix.

Listen as Nuñez shares how he differentiates the menu withinnovative takes on Spanish and Latin cuisine, how he elevates his restaurantswith artistic touches, and hints at his future plans for Buena Vista.

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Justin Devillier has been running the award-winning New Orleans restaurant La Petite Grocery for around two decades, and he’s about to branch out for the first time.

Although born into a Navy family in California, his family has been in Louisiana for generations and he moved to New Orleans in the early 2000s, before every city in the country had an interesting culinary scene, to pursue his career as a chef.

He eventually landed at La Petite, as he calls it, and worked his way up through the kitchen and, eventually, bought a majority stake in the restaurant and has been running it with his wife, Mia Devillier, ever since.

He won the 2016 James Beard Restaurant and Chefs Award for best chef in the South, but the restaurant was an institution long before that, and it remains one.

Now the Devilliers are getting ready to open Daughters Neighborhood Italian about eight blocks away from La Petite Grocery in the space formerly occupied by Upperline Restaurant. It will be an Italian-American place, obviously with a bit of a Creole accent.

Devillier recently discussed his approach to running restaurants and his plans for the new restaurant, possibly including a limited daily run of New Orleans’ signature Italian-American food, the Muffuletta sandwich.

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Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts.

Don Conner is CEO of Whiskey ‘N Rye with several locationsin California’s Central Coast. The full-service “modern smokehouse” is differentiated by its California-style barbecue, which is a melding of different regional American styles. The restaurant concept is also known for its wide selection of brown spirits, many of which are sourced from local distilleries and are crafted into both classic and inventive cocktails.

In 2025, Conner opened ‘Que by Whiskey ‘N Rye, an outpost in the Santa Barbara Public Market that’s a fast-casual version of its older sibling. For both menus, he and his team traveled across the U.S., studying barbecue traditions from Texas and Kansas City to North Carolina, then returned to California to create their own West Coast style. This style relies more on smoking and grilling, with a selection of brisket, pulled pork, ribs, seafood, and scratch-made sides and sauces all infused with smoke.

With deep roots in California and the industry, Conner has recently joined the California Restaurant Association as a board member. Listen as he describes how he sets Whisky ‘N Rye apart in the crowded barbecue segment, why whiskey is such a great beverage partner for smoked foods, and his plans for growth inboth fast casual and full-service.

We recorded this episode of the podcast at Informa’s CREATE, the conference for emerging restaurateurs, held at the Terranea resort in Rancho Palos Verdes, California, in July.

Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News.

Michael Zentner has followed a fairly normal career path in the restaurant industry, but in many ways has had an unusual level of success. He started by washing dishes in restaurants in his native Rhode Island and then attended The Culinary Institute of America before working in restaurants in Idaho, Boston, and Washington, D.C., including a stint with chef and restaurateur Michael Schlow.

He moved to Charleston, South Carolina, to be closer to his wife Courtney’s family, cooking at Charleston Grill under chef Michael Weaver.

That came to an end with the pandemic, and the Zentners started a catering and event business called The Drifter. In 2025, they decided to open a restaurant and found an 1820s townhouse that he turned into a 24-seat restaurant called Merci. The signature dish is Beef Wellington, but Zentner also celebrates the bounty of the region by cooking with the local produce. It’s open just four days a week and is always busy.

Zentner discussed his approach to cooking, his approach to the business, and plans for a private dining room and, possibly, opening for a fifth day.

Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts.

Magnolia Bakery started as a small neighborhood bake shop in New York City’s Greenwich Village and quickly rose to fame as a cupcake destination, thanks to “Sex and the City.” Today it numbers 53 locations and franchises are popping up around the U.S. and the world.

Bobbie Lloyd has been with the company 20 years, joining when there was just that one original shop. She has served in a number of capacities, including president and COO, CEO, and now chief baking officer, sharing that title with her other role as chief brand officer. She admits that you wouldn’t think those job responsibilities could fall into one person’s lap, but the baking hat is the one she loves best, and she regularly goes into the kitchen right across from her office to create dessert recipes and bake.

Bobbie Lloyd, chief baking officer, Magnolia Bakery

Lloyd developed her passion for baking at the side of her great grandmother, grandma, and mom, and took her first cooking class at age 8. She eventually went to culinary school, worked in a number of restaurants, and opened a place called American Accent with a partner in Boston. When that restaurant closed, she moved to New York, became a personal chef for Calvin Klein, worked her way up from server to manager at Union Square Café, and opened a wrap concept before wraps were a thing.

At Magnolia, Lloyd takes special pride in the company culture she has nurtured and the care and time she puts into training and mentoring. Another proud moment: Magnolia Bakery’s banana pudding was recently named No. 1 on Food Network’s Top Ten Desserts.

Listen as she shares insights into her role as chief baking officer and Magnolia’s global growth plans — one cupcake and container of banana pudding at a time.

Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts.

Veteran restaurateur Joey Campanaro opened Little Owl 20 years ago in New York City’s West Village to nearly instant acclaim with his legendary pork chops and meatballs. He has since expanded his business to include three other restaurants and an event space.

The Philadelphia native with family roots in the Italian regions of Calabria and Molise got his start washing dishes on the Jersey Shore and went on to work for restaurateurs Jonathan Waxman and Jimmy Bradley as well as the Patina Restaurant Group. He now draws inspiration from cuisines across the Mediterranean as well as incorporating Mexican and Japanese influences at Little Owl as well as Market Table, The Clam, and The Mary Lane, all also in the West Village.

Campanaro recently discussed his journey, including a blunder that got him exiled from New York for a while, as well as his perspective on the current dining scene. That scene has changed, but Campanaro doesn’t see that as an obstacle; he simply adjusts to new technology and dining habits while maintaining his focus on genuine hospitality, including making sure that a human answers the phone.

Tune in to learn about his approach to maintaining connections with his guests, understanding their tastes, managing costs, and why his first restaurant is called Little Owl.

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Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts.

Shah’s Halal started out as a food cart on the streets of Queens in New York City in 2005, selling gyros and rice bowls with Afghan flavors. The simple menu used 100% halal ingredients, a rarity at the time, but the demand for halal food kept growing.

Although the quick-service menu now is more extensive, it’s still very simple, said CEO Khalid Mashriqi during the podcast. Burgers, chicken sandwiches, wings, and falafel are options along with the rice bowls and gyros, and Shah’s differentiates from other Middle Eastern concepts by its focus on halal ingredients and signature sauces — some now available at retail.

The company is vertically integrated, complete with a USDA-certified facility for processing meat and a commissary, which makes halal sourcing and preparation less challenging. Franchising is powering growth, although a number of locations are company-owned.

Listen to learn how Mashriqi and his team intend to focus on expanding to smaller, more diverse communities, how Shah’s is partnering with a shawarma influencer to tell its story, and what’s next for the menu and the concept.

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Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts.

Join chefs and restaurateurs Joe Giacomino and John Vermiglio as they share their remarkable journey transforming Detroit's dining scene. Since opening Grey Ghost in 2016 as just the second destination chef-driven restaurant in the city, these Chicago-trained culinary partners have witnessed—and helped drive—an extraordinary urban revival.

From navigating a dangerous street where early guests faced armed robberies to thriving in today's vibrant, walkable Brush Park neighborhood, Joe and John offer a front-row perspective on Detroit's ongoing transformation. Discover how they've expanded their restaurant empire to include a beer-and-shots bar, the Izakaya-style Basan, and Little Ghost burger joint in Ferndale, all while staying true to their culinary vision.

In this episode of Menu Talk, hear candid insights about their career paths, the challenges of pioneering in an emerging food city, and what it takes to build multiple successful concepts in one of America's most dynamic comeback stories.

Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, Senior Food & Beverage Editor of Nation's Restaurant News.

From casual tacos to caviar and champagne — discover how restaurateur Marc Falsetto transformed Fort Lauderdale's dining landscape and pivoted to luxury during a pandemic.

As founder and CEO of Falsetto Hospitality, Marc Falsetto has been instrumental in shaping Fort Lauderdale's restaurant scene. Starting with casual concepts under Handcrafted Hospitality — including the popular Tacocraft Mexican restaurants, chef-driven gastropubs, and sandwich shops — Falsetto built a reputation for approachable, quality dining. He also breathed new life into Runway 84, a 40-year-old Italian-American institution, updating everything from décor to ambience.

Then came the pandemic — and a bold pivot. Recognizing an influx of wealth and a growing appetite for sophisticated experiences in South Florida, Falsetto shifted his focus to luxury dining and developed an upscale supper club model. Now, he's preparing to launch the Caviar Club, an American steakhouse with a private membership component that channels pure 1980s indulgence.

Hospitality runs deep in Falsetto's veins. Raised in a restaurant family in Canada, he started as a busboy in his early teens, promoted nightclubs during college, eventually bought his own restaurant, and went on to build two successful hospitality companies. Through it all, he's kept his core team intact — including his longtime chef — proving that loyalty and vision go hand in hand.

In this episode, hear how Falsetto conceptualizes restaurant ideas, why he's bullish on the South Florida market, and what ambitious plans he's cooking up next.

From dishwasher to award-winning mixologist, Tara Wong's journey through Detroit's hospitality scene is a masterclass in passion and perseverance. Starting in professional kitchens as a teenager two decades ago, she made the leap to bartending and never looked back. Through mixology competitions, self-taught expertise, and an obsession with creating unforgettable guest experiences, Wong honed her craft one cocktail at a time.

Now behind the bar at Saksey's, she's redefining classic cocktails with a modern twist—think Harvey Wallbanger reimagined as a milk punch, or her signature Coco Noir, an elevated Espresso Martini featuring bourbon, coconut rum, cold brew, coffee liqueur, and amaro. In this episode, Wong shares her creative approach to drink development, reflects on how Detroit's hospitality landscape has transformed over the years, and reveals what she has brewing for the summer ahead.

From first-time restaurateur to hospitality empire builder, Jeremy Sasson's journey is a masterclass in passion-driven entrepreneurship. Despite zero restaurant experience, he opened Townhouse Birmingham in 2011, fueled by a childhood spent dining out and a deep love for the hospitality experience. Today, his Heirloom Hospitality Group operates six thriving concepts across Michigan and Nashville, including the acclaimed steakhouse Prime + Proper and Italian-California hotspot Mad Nice.

In this episode, Sasson shares his unconventional path into the restaurant world, his philosophy on creating genuine connection and community through food, and why Detroit has emerged as one of America's most exciting dining destinations. Plus, get the inside scoop on Heiress, his design-forward Italian concept launching soon at Somerset Collection.

Whether you're a restaurant professional, aspiring entrepreneur, or simply love great food and hospitality, this conversation offers invaluable insights into building a restaurant group that prioritizes experience above all else.

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Menu Talk is a collaboration between Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News. You can subscribe to it wherever you listen to podcasts.