Money Stuff: The Podcast

Matt and guest host Max Abelson discuss Max's impending fatherhood, misanthropy, philanthropy, miracles, human extinction, three levels of AI worry, whether Roko's basilisk is securities fraud, non-GAAP accounting, the role of Money Stuff in a post-AGI world, baskets of options, options on a basket, proper corporate governance at Tesla and SpaceX, meditation and onions.

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Matt talks with Tice Brown, a guy, about good emails, the DAT craze, gambling proxies, non-cross-collateralized leverage, rolling calls, dinosaur fossils, bid/ask spreads in the art market, defeasing weirdo bonds, windfall-based pricing, lawyers vs. attorneys, Nebraska insurance regulation, Arkansas banking regulation, SpaceX/Tesla, Nasdaq valuation, starting investment banking in 2007 and the value of his time.

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Matt and guest co-host Mary Childs discuss sports betting, swap regulation, mention markets, flat waffles, gambling in your brokerage account, the rise of prime brokerage, relationship businesses, holding bags when hedge funds have oopsies, narrower banking, Matt's lack of hand-wringing, Kelly Clarkson and the animatronic bird, Martin Shkreli’s various comeuppances and short-selling metaphysics.

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Matt talks to Jeremy Maletz, head of prediction markets at Susquehanna International Group, about hedging goat herder risk, flow versus bespoke trading, election factor hedging, adverse selection, correlation in prediction markets, and transitioning from sports gambling to trillion-dollar data center credit derivatives.

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Matt and guest host Mary Childs discuss Baby Stuff: The Podcast, 351 exchange ETFs, substance over form, agentic bank runs, doing things for points, getting the Burn you need, seizing control of the company Slack, cotton market manipulation, paperwork and potential securities-fraud liability for destroying humanity.

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Ahead of Midnight Madness 2026, we revisit our May 2025 episode, when Katie and Matt spoke with Ryan Patch and Jon Seale of Great Gotham Challenge about building puzzle hunts for the hedge fund manager who has everything.

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Matt and guest co-host Silvia Killingsworth discuss late-summer nostalgia, Susquehanna's 100 Johns Doe, hedging options market making, nervously walking back and forth at the frontier, the economic and/or human extinction benefits of slowing AI training, writing about AI vs. AI writing, psychological liquidity mismatches and putting pensions back into 401(k)s.

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Matt and guest host Max Abelson discuss money and power, Kawhi Leonard, independent investigations, the DAT trade, why anyone talks to us, the aesthetic appreciation of finance, Robinhood vs. AMC, meme-stock bazaars, Cede & Co., stock ledgers on the blockchain, Grayson Moorhead Securities, heists of bearer securities, the Apollo premium, geniality league tables and contextually appropriate “oohs.”

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Matt and guest host Mary Childs discuss CDS gossip, suboptimal mortgage refinancing, cheap options, shopping for savings accounts, billing by the hour, AI and the apprenticeship model, second-price auctions, chandelier bidding, the IVV to VOO pipeline, rich person trades vs. hedge fund trades and how much we all miss Katie.

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Matt and Katie talked in March to Boaz Weinstein of Saba Capital Management about his tenders for OBDC II and SREIT, semi-liquid fund liquidity, reflexivity, the lure of permanent capital, private credit NAVs, public vs. private BDC discounts, preserving brand value, volatility laundering, howling at the moon, bowling and, why not, DATs.

You can also watch this episode on YouTube.

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Matt and guest co-host Silvia Killingsworth discuss the Situational Awareness situation, record dates, CVRs, and sourcing weird volatility risk from retail customers to sell to hedge funds.

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Katie and Matt discuss 351 exchanges, the Gabe Plotkin ETF, the two laws of tax, tax code is not quite law, Gary Gensler’s cell phone, crypto vs. the SEC, the Truth API, nuclear fusion, sports indexes and ETFs of 351 ETFs of ETFs.

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Katie and Matt discuss Katie’s animals’ feelings, sports gambling ETFs, Matt’s SEC comment, active ETF management, South Korean regulatory regrets, perfect distilled margin debt, Strategy’s software business and SpaceX’s stock price.

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Katie and Matt discuss Katie's baby shower, No Elon ETFs, index preferences, ETFs as performance art, index rebalancing, liquidity provision, averaging into the index, lockup supply vs. index demand, egg manipulation, bird flu and everything-is-securities-fraud lawsuits.

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Katie and Matt discuss sports, the weather, lobster cake, getting picked off by insider traders, the retail options casino, limiting sharp bettors, sports gambling ETFs, weird ETFs generally, bad vibes at Strategy, Bitcoin leverage and ChatGPT security design.

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Katie and Matt discuss summer vacation, SpaceX/Tesla, Elon Musk re-conglomeration, MacroHard, Meta prediction markets, human social behavior, Farmville, AI engagement, base revealed preferences, private credit redemptions, monthly liquidity and BDC arbitrage.

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Katie and Matt discuss sports, mostly not SpaceX, alien capital markets, blinking, quality of earnings, hedge fund heroes, keeping a stegosaurus in your living room, the Book of Souls, capacity constraints, ruthless self-examination, market structure sickos, the trade-through rule, speed bumps and tokenization.

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Katie and Matt discuss the pricing of the SpaceX IPO, cash-settled derivatives gambling, S&P’s no-fast-tracking decision, index divergence, active-management benchmarking, SpaceX ESG, federal sports gambling regulation, Matt’s future coaching Little League, market integrity, brawls, everything is an assassination market, Boaz Weinstein’s day in the Supreme Court and not the trade-through rule.

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Katie and Matt discuss the Knicks, the Jeffrey, hedging sports bets with sports bets, Google selling some stock, net equity issuance, taxes on stock vesting, Andrew Left, how long you have to be short, the decline of activist short selling and not saying dumb stuff in email.

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Katie and Matt discuss the SpaceX IPO, enterprise AI, Mars colonies, the Elon Musk premium, consternation about indexes, a no-Elon index, closet indexing, price-insensitive IPO demand, unconstrained Elon Musk, Robinhood AI agents, the universal wrapper for trade ideas, invisible transaction costs, the Drug Olympics, 10% of Fernando Tatis Jr., a venture portfolio of minor leaguers, hedging career risk and hitting two grand slams in the same inning.

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