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Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications
Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.
- Non-Profit chart
- #7
- Episodes
- 267
- Releases
- Every two weeks
- Typical length
- 49 min
- On air since
- 2016
- Latest episode
- 1 week ago
Episodes
267 episodes, newest first
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49 min
Ep 264: The Role of Nonprofits When Good Laws Aren’t Enough
Season 1, Episode 1
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Who holds the powerful accountable when a good law isn’t enough? Glennda Testone makes the case for the role of nonprofits with one small watchdog and 170,000 pages of records a city fought for years to keep hidden.
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51 min
Ep 263: How Nonprofit Teams Build Healthy Conflict with Priya Parker
Season 1, Episode 1
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Most of us read conflict on a team as a sign something has gone wrong. Priya Parker thinks we have it backwards, and she has spent twenty years watching what happens to the groups that get this right and the ones that don't.
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51 min
Ep 262: How to Be a Force for Good When Your Tank Is Empty (with Sam Horn)
Season 1, Episode 1
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Some weeks the news takes something out of you and doesn't put it back. Author Sam Horn has spent a year with people who kept going anyway, and she draws a line between three kinds of people that will make you check which one you've been.
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51 min
Ep 261: What Would Dolly Do? Leadership Lessons from a Life of Giving
Season 1, Episode 1
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Glennda Testone, CEO of Nonprofit Leadership Lab, did not grow up on Dolly Parton. A year and a half of full immersion later, she came away with three lessons about Dolly Parton philanthropy that every nonprofit leader should hear.
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51 min
Ep 260: How Can Nonprofits Do Better Good? Hint: Doing More Isn’t the Answer.
Season 1, Episode 1
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What if greater nonprofit impact isn’t about doing more? Glennda Testone talks with Better Good author Scott M. Curran about focusing on what works and using what you already have more intentionally.
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1 hr 8 min
Ep 259: Nonprofit Unions: What Leaders, Staff, and Boards Need to Know with Bev Tillery
Season 1, Episode 1
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For many nonprofit leaders, unionization can feel deeply personal. Explore the questions, challenges, and realities of nonprofit unionization, and how leaders, staff, and boards can navigate the process while preserving trust, culture, and their org’s values.
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51 min
Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life
Season 1, Episode 1
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What if the goal isn’t simply to avoid burnout, but to learn how to burn on? Jim Collins joins Joan Garry to explore why some leaders stay energized for decades, what it means to stay “in frame,” and how to build a life around what matters most.
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51 min
Ep 257: Presence ≠ Power: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Rashad Robinson
Season 1, Episode 1
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Most nonprofits know how to get people to pay attention. Fewer know how to turn that attention into lasting change. In this conversation, Rashad Robinson shares what makes the difference.
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26 min
Ep 256: What are Corporate Sponsors Really Looking for From Nonprofits? with Mariah Monique
Season 1, Episode 1
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Some sponsorship conversations turn into long-term partnerships. Others quietly disappear after the first meeting. What's the difference?
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26 min
Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
Season 1, Episode 1
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Managing a team that spans five generations isn't a Gen Z problem. It's a leadership challenge. In this episode, I sit down with Jason Burlingame to talk about the workplace tensions that seem to resurface with every generation and what it takes to lead through them.
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26 min
Ep 254: Building Belonging When DEI Feels Like a Four-Letter Word with Dr Kiki Ramsey
Season 1, Episode 1
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I sat down with Dr. Kiki Ramsey, positive psychologist and CEO of the Positive Psychology Coaching and Diversity Institute, to have an honest conversation about DEI that nonprofit leaders need to hear right now. We’re covering what’s changing and how nonprofits can keep building belonging even in a hostile climate.
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26 min
Ep 253: Still Figuring It Out: An Honest Take on People Pleasing and Leadership
Season 1, Episode 1
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For a long time, Glennda Testone’s people-pleasing nature shaped – and sometimes complicated – her leadership. In this honest, personal solo episode, she shares her journey from people pleaser to recovering people pleaser. Plus, five practical strategies for leading well when you’re wired to make everyone happy.
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47 min
Ep 252: CRM Matchmaking: How to Ensure the Right Fit for Your Nonprofit with Julia Gackenbach
Season 1, Episode 1
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Think of finding the right CRM like matchmaking – it takes time, self-awareness, and knowing what you actually need versus what just looks good on paper. Glennda Testone sits down with Julia Gachenbach of DonorPerfect to walk through the do’s and don’ts of the matchmaking process to help your organization find the right fit.
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51 min
Ep 251: Reimagining Nonprofits: The Uncomfortable Conversation We Need to Have with Vu Le
Season 1, Episode 1
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What if the rules we’ve built our sector around are actually holding us back? I sat down with author, blogger, and nonprofit rabble-rouser Vu Le to dig into the uncomfortable truths behind his new book, Reimagining Nonprofits and Philanthropy, and why the sector’s greatest threat may be its own suppressed imagination.
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59 min
Ep 250: The Power of Neighbors: A Leadership Story from Minneapolis with Emilia Gonzalez Avalos
Season 1, Episode 1
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When crisis hit Minneapolis, nonprofit leaders and neighbors didn’t wait for rescue. In this episode, Emilia Gonzalez Avalos of Unidos Minnesota shares what it took to build a rapid-response infrastructure, protect communities, and turn terror into collective action.
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45 min
Ep 249: Financial Resilience Isn’t Luck – It’s Strategy with Bethany Maki
Season 1, Episode 1
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In a nonprofit, revenue often feels uncertain. But here’s the secret: financial resilience isn’t luck – it’s strategy. In this episode, Glennda Testone and Bethany Maki of Progressive Multipliers explore how nonprofits can build independent revenue, diversify funding, and strengthen long-term sustainability.
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52 min
Ep 248: Strategic Planning for Nonprofits: Simple, Agile, and Real with Sophia Shaw and Adam Wolford
Season 1, Episode 1
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Strategic planning doesn’t have to be expensive, exhausting, or end up on a shelf. In this episode, Glennda Testone talks with Sophia Shaw and Adam Wolford of PlanPerfect about a smarter, more accessible approach to nonprofit strategic planning – especially for small to mid-sized organizations.
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53 min
Ep 247: A Volunteer’s Guide to Major Donor Conversations with Eileen Opatut
Season 1, Episode 1
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In this episode, I’m joined by my wife Eileen Opatut, a volunteer fundraiser who landed a yes on her first major ask! Together, we break down what actually works and walk through the real mechanics of successful fundraising.
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20 min
Ep 246: If You Believe Leadership Matters, Prove It!
Season 1, Episode 1
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Nonprofit leaders aren’t burning out because they’re incapable. They’re burning out because we’re not setting them up for success. In this episode, I make the case for why leadership development is not optional – and why investing in leaders is one of the most powerful retention strategies our sector has.
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43 min
Ep 245: Rethinking Leadership in 2026: The Shifts Nonprofit Leaders Need to Make Now
Season 1, Episode 1
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In this episode, Glennda and I reflect on what last year revealed about leadership–and what must change going forward. From adaptive leadership to intentional planning to shared power and long-term thinking, this conversation explores how nonprofit leaders can move beyond reaction and lead with clarity, resilience, and purpose in the year ahead.
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