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Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

Business, Management, Non-Profit

Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.

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#7
Episodes
267
Releases
Every two weeks
Typical length
49 min
On air since
2016
Latest episode
1 week ago

Episodes

267 episodes, newest first

  1. Ep 264: The Role of Nonprofits When Good Laws Aren’t Enough

    Season 1, Episode 1

    Show notes

    Who holds the powerful accountable when a good law isn’t enough? Glennda Testone makes the case for the role of nonprofits with one small watchdog and 170,000 pages of records a city fought for years to keep hidden.

    49 min
  2. Ep 263: How Nonprofit Teams Build Healthy Conflict with Priya Parker

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Most of us read conflict on a team as a sign something has gone wrong. Priya Parker thinks we have it backwards, and she has spent twenty years watching what happens to the groups that get this right and the ones that don't.

    51 min
  3. Ep 262: How to Be a Force for Good When Your Tank Is Empty (with Sam Horn)

    Season 1, Episode 1

    Show notes

    Some weeks the news takes something out of you and doesn't put it back. Author Sam Horn has spent a year with people who kept going anyway, and she draws a line between three kinds of people that will make you check which one you've been.

    51 min
  4. Ep 261: What Would Dolly Do? Leadership Lessons from a Life of Giving

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Glennda Testone, CEO of Nonprofit Leadership Lab, did not grow up on Dolly Parton. A year and a half of full immersion later, she came away with three lessons about Dolly Parton philanthropy that every nonprofit leader should hear.

    51 min
  5. Ep 260: How Can Nonprofits Do Better Good? Hint: Doing More Isn’t the Answer.

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    What if greater nonprofit impact isn’t about doing more? Glennda Testone talks with Better Good author Scott M. Curran about focusing on what works and using what you already have more intentionally.

    51 min
  6. Ep 259: Nonprofit Unions: What Leaders, Staff, and Boards Need to Know with Bev Tillery

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    For many nonprofit leaders, unionization can feel deeply personal. Explore the questions, challenges, and realities of nonprofit unionization, and how leaders, staff, and boards can navigate the process while preserving trust, culture, and their org’s values.

    1 hr 8 min
  7. Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    What if the goal isn’t simply to avoid burnout, but to learn how to burn on? Jim Collins joins Joan Garry to explore why some leaders stay energized for decades, what it means to stay “in frame,” and how to build a life around what matters most.

    51 min
  8. Ep 257: Presence ≠ Power: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Rashad Robinson

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Most nonprofits know how to get people to pay attention. Fewer know how to turn that attention into lasting change. In this conversation, Rashad Robinson shares what makes the difference.

    51 min
  9. Ep 256: What are Corporate Sponsors Really Looking for From Nonprofits? with Mariah Monique

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Some sponsorship conversations turn into long-term partnerships. Others quietly disappear after the first meeting. What's the difference?

    26 min
  10. Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Managing a team that spans five generations isn't a Gen Z problem. It's a leadership challenge. In this episode, I sit down with Jason Burlingame to talk about the workplace tensions that seem to resurface with every generation and what it takes to lead through them.

    26 min
  11. Ep 254: Building Belonging When DEI Feels Like a Four-Letter Word with Dr Kiki Ramsey

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    I sat down with Dr. Kiki Ramsey, positive psychologist and CEO of the Positive Psychology Coaching and Diversity Institute, to have an honest conversation about DEI that nonprofit leaders need to hear right now. We’re covering what’s changing and how nonprofits can keep building belonging even in a hostile climate.

    26 min
  12. Ep 253: Still Figuring It Out: An Honest Take on People Pleasing and Leadership

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    For a long time, Glennda Testone’s people-pleasing nature shaped – and sometimes complicated – her leadership. In this honest, personal solo episode, she shares her journey from people pleaser to recovering people pleaser. Plus, five practical strategies for leading well when you’re wired to make everyone happy.

    26 min
  13. Ep 252: CRM Matchmaking: How to Ensure the Right Fit for Your Nonprofit with Julia Gackenbach

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Think of finding the right CRM like matchmaking – it takes time, self-awareness, and knowing what you actually need versus what just looks good on paper. Glennda Testone sits down with Julia Gachenbach of DonorPerfect to walk through the do’s and don’ts of the matchmaking process to help your organization find the right fit.

    47 min
  14. Ep 251: Reimagining Nonprofits: The Uncomfortable Conversation We Need to Have with Vu Le

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    What if the rules we’ve built our sector around are actually holding us back? I sat down with author, blogger, and nonprofit rabble-rouser Vu Le to dig into the uncomfortable truths behind his new book, Reimagining Nonprofits and Philanthropy, and why the sector’s greatest threat may be its own suppressed imagination.

    51 min
  15. Ep 250: The Power of Neighbors: A Leadership Story from Minneapolis with Emilia Gonzalez Avalos

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    When crisis hit Minneapolis, nonprofit leaders and neighbors didn’t wait for rescue. In this episode, Emilia Gonzalez Avalos of Unidos Minnesota shares what it took to build a rapid-response infrastructure, protect communities, and turn terror into collective action.

    59 min
  16. Ep 249: Financial Resilience Isn’t Luck – It’s Strategy with Bethany Maki

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    In a nonprofit, revenue often feels uncertain. But here’s the secret: financial resilience isn’t luck – it’s strategy. In this episode, Glennda Testone and Bethany Maki of Progressive Multipliers explore how nonprofits can build independent revenue, diversify funding, and strengthen long-term sustainability.

    45 min
  17. Ep 248: Strategic Planning for Nonprofits: Simple, Agile, and Real with Sophia Shaw and Adam Wolford

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Strategic planning doesn’t have to be expensive, exhausting, or end up on a shelf. In this episode, Glennda Testone talks with Sophia Shaw and Adam Wolford of PlanPerfect about a smarter, more accessible approach to nonprofit strategic planning – especially for small to mid-sized organizations.

    52 min
  18. Ep 247: A Volunteer’s Guide to Major Donor Conversations with Eileen Opatut

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    In this episode, I’m joined by my wife Eileen Opatut, a volunteer fundraiser who landed a yes on her first major ask! Together, we break down what actually works and walk through the real mechanics of successful fundraising.

    53 min
  19. Ep 246: If You Believe Leadership Matters, Prove It!

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    Nonprofit leaders aren’t burning out because they’re incapable. They’re burning out because we’re not setting them up for success. In this episode, I make the case for why leadership development is not optional – and why investing in leaders is one of the most powerful retention strategies our sector has.

    20 min
  20. Ep 245: Rethinking Leadership in 2026: The Shifts Nonprofit Leaders Need to Make Now

    Season 1, Episode 1

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    In this episode, Glennda and I reflect on what last year revealed about leadership–and what must change going forward. From adaptive leadership to intentional planning to shared power and long-term thinking, this conversation explores how nonprofit leaders can move beyond reaction and lead with clarity, resilience, and purpose in the year ahead.

    43 min