Podcast

Pipe Down

Arts, Design

Pipe Down brings you candid conversations with the people behind the kitchen and bath industry, from founders to designers to dealers, and the stories behind how it all got built.

Episodes
1
Typical length
2 hr
On air since
2026
Latest episode
1 week ago

Episodes

1 episode, newest first

  1. Jack and Avi Abel: Made in Brooklyn

    Season 1, Episode 1

    Show notes

    From a small Brooklyn plating shop to a design-forward international fixtures brand, Jack and Avi Abel built Watermark Designs the hard way. Jack started Sepco from scratch, and when cheap imports threatened to sink it, his son Avi took over and revamped the company. In our first episode, they share the stories behind the fight to fix a shaky reputation, the “Made in Brooklyn” rebrand, the 2019 private equity sale, and some of Jack’s product ideas that never quite made it; plus, what’s trending in the industry now, from ceramics to saunas. This is just the first episode of Pipe Down, so stick around for more conversations with the people shaping the kitchen and bath industry, and the stories they’ve never told.

    00:00 – Welcome

    00:33 – Starting Out in Sepco

    10:19 – Branching Into Faucets

    21:00 – Avi Steps In

    29:32 – Reinventing Watermark

    41:23 – Building the Brand

    50:54 – Innovation as Strategy

    1:03:23 – Industrial Chic

    1:09:56 – Too Much, Too Fast

    1:21:47 – Making the Sale

    1:28:13 – Letting Go

    1:36:21 – Reflections and What’s Next

    1:47:30 – Trending Now

    1:54:24 – Father and Son

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