Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

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Nov 3, 2026 1 hr 1 min

Dr. Rick Hanson | The Meeting of Neuroscience and Contemplative Practice

Episode 218

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with psychologist and NY Times best-selling author Dr. Rick Hanson to explore the place where neuroscience and spiritual practice converge to unlock inner transformation and greater compassion.

Dr. Hanson describes what he calls “positive neuroplasticity,” a feature that’s hardwired in the circuitry of our brains that we can harness to cultivate healing, growth, and awakening.

He and Thomas discuss the importance of mindfulness and body-centered practices to dissolve our evolutionary armor and negative patterns developed in early life and reprogram our nervous systems to be more peaceful and embodied. And importantly, how this process can lead to systemic change and a more united global community.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/IqPULaSzkRk

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

✨ Join Thomas this November for: The Inner Science of Healing: A 5-month online practitioner training.

Learn to sharpen your intuitive sensing, refine your attunement skills, and bring greater precision and depth to working with the individual, ancestral, and collective dimensions of trauma.

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For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

✨ Rick Hanson, Ph.D., is a psychologist, Senior Fellow at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center, and New York Times best-selling author whose books on happiness, resilience, and relationships have sold over a million copies in English and been translated into 33 languages. He is the founder of the Global Compassion Coalition and Wellspring Institute, co-host of the Being Well podcast, and a leading expert on positive neuroplasticity whose work has been featured by major media and institutions including NASA, Google, Oxford, and Harvard.

Connect with Dr. Hanson here 👉 https://rickhanson.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Oct 27, 2026 54 min

The Energy of Transformation

Episode 217

Show notes

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how the personal and global challenges we’re facing present an opportunity to transform and integrate our undigested trauma to support collective evolution.

Importantly, Thomas explains why it’s so important to honor this difficult moment without avoiding discomfort or engaging in “spiritual bypassing,” and explains how we can stay engaged and empowered as we digest our buried trauma and process emotional obstacles.

In order to shine a light on the path forward, we need support. This includes honoring our defense mechanisms instead of judging them, leaning on community, finding meaningful spiritual practices, and doing the deep inner work so that our presence and wisdom can impact those around us.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/JKx5VOCyoxc

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

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Oct 20, 2026 34 min

BEST OF: Music, Writing, and Art

Episode 216

Show notes

This week, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on the healing power of creativity, exploring how music, writing, and art can support us in our lives and on our healing journeys.

Tune in to watch Thomas in conversation with legendary musician Alanis Morissette, poet and philosopher David Whyte, bestselling author Cheryl Strayed, and essayist and novelist Pico Iyer.

Topics include how collective creative experiences amplify connection, allowing what moves you to break your heart, the healing inherent in writing your truth, and how to channel the artistic impulses lying dormant within you.

1:16 - Alanis Morissette

9:42 - David Whyte

25:15 - Cheryl Strayed

33:31 - Pico Iyer

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/W_5_bYgO5B4

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

Here are the links to watch or listen to the full episodes that these clips were taken from:

🎬 Segment 1 features Alanis Morissette from the episode “Journey of Empowerment” 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/alanis-morissette-journey-of-empowerment

🎬 Segment 2 features David Whyte from the episode "The Vulnerable Choice of Breaking Our Hearts Open" 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/david-whyte-the-vulnerable-choice-of-breaking-our-hearts-open

🎬 Segment 3 features Cheryl Strayed from the episode “Writing the Story of Your Healing” 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/cheryl-strayed-writing-the-story-of-your-healing

🎬 Segment 4 features Pico Iyer from the episode “The Alchemy of Stillness” 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/pico-iyer-the-alchemy-of-stillness

Join Thomas LIVE on October 18 for a free practitioner training: ✨Working With the Energetic & Spiritual Principles of Trauma Healing✨

Refine your perception and strengthen your inner awareness to uncover the deeply hidden patterns that act as barriers to healing.

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✨ Alanis Morissette is a Grammy Award-winning artist, host of the Conversation with Alanis Morissette podcast, and passionate advocate for mental health and female empowerment. Her advocacy includes a wide range of endeavors focused on returning to wholeness, self-growth, and the psychological and spiritual healing of trauma. 👉 https://alanis.com/

✨ David Whyte is a poet and author of twelve books of poetry and five books of prose. David holds a degree in Marine Zoology and brings this wealth of experience to his poetry, lectures, and workshops. Through his work, David creates a bridge between normally mutually exclusive areas: the world of readings, the psychological and theological worlds of philosophical enquiry, and the world of vocation, work, and organizational leadership. 👉 https://www.davidwhyte.com

✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon. 👉 https://www.cherylstrayed.com

✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987. 👉 https://picoiyerjourneys.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Oct 13, 2026 39 min

Danielle LaPorte | Healing the Collective Soul

Episode 215

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with author and speaker Danielle LaPorte to discuss how personal transformation and collective healing intersect through spiritual awareness.

In this inspiring conversation, Danielle shares how she’s learned to stop resisting fear and move beyond spiritual bypassing to achieve what she calls “heart-centered integration.”

She and Thomas share practical wisdom on using breath, sound, and deep relational connections to support the healing process, and dive deep into the power of gentleness to anchor us in love and collective unity.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/QuEK2dcYUtM

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

Join Thomas LIVE on October 18 for a free practitioner training: ✨Working With the Energetic & Spiritual Principles of Trauma Healing✨

Refine your perception and strengthen your inner awareness to uncover the deeply hidden patterns that act as barriers to healing.

Sign up for free 👉 https://innerscienceofhealing.com/event/

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

✨ Danielle LaPorte is the former director of a future studies think tank in Washington, DC, where she managed a team creating global scenarios. She now speaks about the intelligence of the heart. She is the author of several books and the producer of dozens of meditation kits and online programs for spiritual support. Danielle is the creator of the Heart-Centered Membership and the Heart-Centered Leadership Program, with 400+ leaders in 30 countries hosting conversation circles, retreats, and workshops in all kinds of communities and businesses. She hosts the podcast With Love, Danielle.

Connect with Danielle 👉 https://daniellelaporte.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:

Oct 6, 2026 53 min

Preventing Chronic Overwhelm and Burnout

Episode 214

Show notes

This week, Thomas shares the warning signs of chronic overwhelm that can indicate that you’re headed towards burnout and critical steps you can take to reduce stress and restore balance.

He explains that there’s a spectrum ranging from overwhelm to burnout, and why the signposts along the way (like being unable to relax) are so easy to miss, especially when you have a history of trauma.

On this journey, he stresses how essential it is that we learn to embrace discomfort, and shares the key pillars for preventing burnout, which include things like relational regulation, strengthening your sense of your body, having a regular spiritual practice, and finding ways to nourish joy.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/68rEeGtzl74

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Sep 29, 2026 32 min

Owning Your Unique Healing Journey

Episode 213

Show notes

This week, Thomas explores the lenses through which we see ourselves and how facing (rather than avoiding) difficulties opens the door to stronger purpose, deeper spiritual connection, and greater healing.

He shares how to access a sustainable well of energy as you face challenges in the process of healing, and how to use this inner momentum to fuel your personal and spiritual growth.

He also examines the role of mirroring in the relational component of healing, how to identify and integrate our unconscious biases and defense mechanisms, and how embracing your inner purpose can reduce stress, enable grounding, and transform anxiety into curiosity.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/XGSoEkmjpUM

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:

Sep 22, 2026 37 min

Alanis Morissette | Healing and Leading With Empathy

Episode 212

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with legendary musician and mental health advocate Alanis Morissette to explore trauma healing for highly sensitive people and what it means to lead with empathy.

Alanis graciously and vulnerably shares about her personal healing journey, discussing the somatic and therapeutic tools that helped with her anxiety, work addiction, and burnout, and helped her prioritize rest and nervous system regulation.

She and Thomas discuss our collective need for trauma-informed leadership, how to foster deep relational safety to facilitate healing, and the slow but powerful process of reconnecting to your body and reclaiming your creativity in the process of healing from trauma.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/4Sp4hFRda-A

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

✨ Alanis Morissette is a Grammy Award-winning artist, host of the Conversation with Alanis Morissette podcast, and passionate advocate for mental health and female empowerment. Her advocacy includes a wide range of endeavors focused on returning to wholeness, self-growth, and the psychological and spiritual healing of trauma. She has led workshops at UCLA, Esalen, and Omega Institute, and shared the stage with many of today’s great thinkers and change agents, including Oprah Winfrey and Arianna Huffington.

Connect with Alanis here 👉 https://alanis.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Sep 15, 2026 53 min

Creating a Global Healing Movement with Dr. Laura Calderón De La Barca

Episode 211

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, cultural analyst, author, and educator Dr. Laura Calderón de la Barca to discuss the growing global movement for collective trauma healing and explore why addressing our shared wounds is vital to addressing today's biggest systemic crises.

They dive deep into how trauma-informed media can decrease cultural polarization, and explain why the climate movement and contemplative spirituality must become trauma-informed to activate the global immune system and liquefy the frozen trauma that’s holding us back from real progress, presence, and authentic spiritual growth.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/4Sp4hFRda-A

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

✨ Dr. Laura Calderón de la Barca is a psychotherapist, cultural analyst, author, and educator. She provides professional training, educational material, and research, and has offered presentations on various national media in Mexico and Canada. She has studied with Thomas Hübl since 2016, has participated in the last three Collective Trauma Summits as a panelist and then a host, facilitated the Latin American, Mexican, and Colombian Collective Trauma Exploration Labs, and hosts BIPOC spaces in courses offered by Thomas.

Learn more and connect with Laura here: https://www.terapiaparamexico.com/english/aboutus.html

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:

Sep 8, 2026 1 hr 7 min

Living and Embodying Your Meditation Practice with Susanne Ahlendorf & Martin Bruders

Episode 210

Show notes

This week, meditation experts Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders are back for a conversation with Thomas on the important role of meditation in a committed spiritual practice and how to embody a meditative state in everyday life.

They discuss the relationship between meditative and spiritual practices and trauma healing, how to connect to and receive guidance from your inner heart space, and how your practice can transcend silent sitting to become a conduit for spiritual growth and deeper intuition.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/NLzsOcIViE8

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Susanne and Martin this fall for their new 4-week meditation course - ✨ Embodying Meditation: Living Your Practice ✨

This immersive 4online course invites you to step beyond the limits of your daily to-do list and the repetitive patterns of the mind.

Explore how to transition from the effort of “doing” meditation to the grace of living your practice—transforming it into the foundation for how you show up in the world.

Learn more and join the course here 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2026

You can also join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

Explore more teachings and meditations from Martin and Susanne via their co-founded organization, Make Space for Grace 👉 https://www.makespaceforgrace.de ... and on their YouTube Channel 👉 http://www.youtube.com/@MeditationEnglish

✨ Susanne Ahlendorf is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy, a group leader for meditation and Inner Science practice, who accompanies people on their personal and spiritual development path. For her, meditation is a way of unfolding love in life.

Connect with Susanne here:

👉 https://www.susanneahlendorf.de

✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach. He worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. His inner exploration journey is as much about his meditation practice as it is about his daily life. He loves to permeate life deeper and deeper, always in search of intimacy with the divine; sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing.

Connect with Martin here:

👉 https://www.martinbruders.de

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

Sep 1, 2026 50 min

Dr. Britt Wray | Transformational Resilience in the Climate Crisis

Episode 209

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with award-winning researcher, author, and science communicator Britt Wray to discuss the need for collective care, systemic action, and spiritual introspection in addressing the climate crisis and its psychological effects.

Britt offers an approach to climate anxiety, called “Transformational Resilience,” that focuses on channeling emotional distress into meaningful action and care, rather than resorting to denial or returning to an unhelpful baseline.

She and Thomas also explore how climate action is like a relay race, where action is sustained over time by passing the baton, and how acting in alignment with environmental values reduces cognitive dissonance and fosters emotional well-being.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/qP5Iq4gBcPE

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Join Thomas and leading psychologists, clinical practitioners, artists, teachers, and cultural leaders for ✨ Healers on Healing ✨, a free online event from September 17-19.

Dr. Sharon Salzberg, Michael Meade, Dr. Mariel Buqué, and more will engage in ten in-depth conversations exploring how healing happens, what we experience, and how it shapes the future.

Learn more and sign up for free here 👉 https://conversationsonhealing.com

✨ Dr. Britt Wray is an award-winning researcher, author, and science communicator focused on the mental health impacts of climate change. She directs CIRCLE at Stanford Psychiatry and also founded Unthinkable, a nonprofit addressing the climate-mental health crisis. Britt is the author of Generation Dread, a bestselling book on climate anxiety, and a leading voice in the emerging field of climate psychology. She’s received multiple honors, including the 2025 American Climate Leadership Award (Runner-Up) and the 2023 Canadian Eco-Hero Award. As a TED and World Economic Forum speaker, Britt brings global attention to the emotional toll of the ecological crisis.

Connect with Britt here 👉 https://www.brittwray.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

Aug 25, 2026 55 min

Harnessing Your Energetic Potential

Episode 208

Show notes

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on what fuels your life energy and how this connects to your spiritual health and sense of purpose.

Thomas focuses in on the idea of interdependence, or interconnectedness, and how your vitality is dependent on relational dynamics, co-regulation, and collective wellness.

He explores healing modalities and spiritual practices that can recharge your energetic battery, with wisdom on how to shift from repetitive, stagnant patterns to emergent, authentic movements.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/GruhKm9RwGU

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:

Aug 18, 2026 47 min

Initiation, Awakening, and Transcendence

Episode 207

Show notes

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on becoming grounded to integrate ancestral wisdom and initiate yourself into the digital age in a spiritually centered and holistic way.

He explores the perspective shifts that occur in both healing and spiritual awakening, and how we can harness this transformative power to heal collectively and evolve technologically without abandoning spiritual connection.

Thomas also discusses the importance of embracing uncertainty to expand your consciousness, what it means to truly process the past, and how to open yourself to your unique, higher calling.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/3s4ULNqNfzs

Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Aug 11, 2026 37 min

Ashanti Kunene | Spiritually Embodied Leadership

Episode 206

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with Ashanti Kunene, an activist, slam poet, writer, and the founder of Learning 2 Unlearn, for a conversation about spiritual alignment and integrity in leadership and the connection between individual healing and systems change.

In a time when we’re all faced with the repercussions of intergenerational trauma, oppressive systems, and unethical leadership, those of us who feel called to facilitate change must first confront our personal narratives, ethics, and shadow-self so that our actions align with our inner spiritual and moral compass.

Ashanti and Thomas explore what that really looks like, what people in positions of power are truly responsible and accountable for, and what we can learn from the good AND the bad deeds of those who came before us.

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✨ Ashanti Kunene is an art activist, slam poet, published writer, two-time TEDx speaker, and the founder of Learning 2 Unlearn – a decolonial strategic narratives consultancy cultivating leadership coherence in the context of the polycrisis. She also serves as the Co-Lead of the Transforming Wealth Lab for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

Connect with Ashanti here 👉 https://www.learning2unlearn.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

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Aug 4, 2026 48 min

Michael Meade | The Courageous Path of the Heart

Episode 205

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with mythologist Michael Meade for a conversation about initiations, awakenings, and how to access your innate gifts to be a transformative force in a world in crisis.

Michael shares about his formative experience as a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, and how the confinement, isolation, and trauma that he endured informed his spiritual development and life philosophy.

He and Thomas look at the current uncertain state of the world where old structures are collapsing as a liminal space where the new world has not yet been born. Michael argues that healing and evolving into a better world requires us to be present with conflict, sustain soulful connections, maintain creative and contemplative practices, and find the courage from our heart to lean into our authentic, imperfect selves.

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✨ Michael Meade, D.H.L., is a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology. He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals. He is the creator of the Living Myth Podcast, and the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples.

Connect with Michael here 👉 https://www.mosaicvoices.org

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

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Jul 28, 2026 1 hr 2 min

Kaira Jewel Lingo | Reconnecting to Nature, Spirit, and Presence

Episode 204

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with Dharma teacher and author Kaira Jewel Lingo to explore how we can heal our deeply fractured relationship with the Earth and break out of the modern digital trance.

Kaira shares her unique experience of transitioning out of monastic life as a nun and back into a fast-paced digital world. This experience gave her a unique perspective on how technology consumes our attention, and what’s needed to reconnect to our relationships, ourselves, our spirituality, and the earth.

She and Thomas discuss how face-to-face connection can help us reclaim our presence, why our global crises stem from our disconnection with nature, and what’s needed for a collective re-awakening into an interconnected and embodied life that’s defined by care and curiosity instead of an isolated existence fueled by exploitation and inattention.

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✨ Kaira Jewel Lingo is a senior dharma teacher in the Zen lineage and also a Vipassana teacher. She is a member of the Plum Village North American Dharma Teachers Council of Elders. Based in New York, she is the author of We Were Made for These Times, co-author of Healing Our Way Home, and provides spiritual mentoring, focusing on racial and earth justice and engaged spirituality.

Connect with Kaira here 👉 https://www.kairajewel.com

If you'd like to learn more about the Strother School of Radical Attention that Kaira references in the episode, visit their website: https://www.schoolofattention.org

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

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Jul 21, 2026 44 min

Creating Inner Space for Change

Episode 203

Show notes

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on creating conscious inner spaciousness to process life’s challenges and use them as engines for personal and spiritual growth.

By opening up space for a larger “cup” to hold our wounds and traumas, we can address and understand them without being defined by them. Having this space also allows us to shift from a state of habitual, past-focused attention to one of conscious presence.

Thomas shares how integrating the past in this way brings in new light and new possibilities, enables us to mature and grow (both personally and collectively), and disrupts patterns of intergenerational trauma.

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For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

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Jul 14, 2026 29 min

Zubaida Bai | Engineering an End to Poverty and Patriarchy

Episode 202

Show notes

This week, Thomas sits down with the CEO of the Grameen Foundation, Zubaida Bai, for an inspiring conversation about amplifying oppressed voices, economically empowering women, and creating cultural and systemic changes to end poverty.

Zubaida has spent decades working within impoverished communities across the globe to create adaptive, localized strategies to change outdated attitudes, make childbirth safer, and get women much-needed access to capital to ensure their long-term financial viability.

Her holistic approach to poverty alleviation combines empathetic, culturally sensitive relationship building with a deep understanding of climate change, technology, and financial access. She and Thomas discuss how to create sustainable interventions and innovations for those in impoverished areas, and why it’s so important to uplift the voices and struggles of women and mothers in the fight against poverty.

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✨Zubaida Bai is President and CEO of Grameen Foundation, with over 20 years in the social impact sector. A social entrepreneur and advocate for women’s health and financial well-being, she founded ayzh, a social enterprise providing essential healthcare products for women and girls. She previously led social ventures at CARE International and now focuses on advancing financial health globally. Bai has been recognized as a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader, Ashoka Maternal Health Champion, TED Fellow, and United Nations SDG 3 Pioneer. She holds a master’s in Mechanical Engineering, an MBA from Colorado State University, and an honorary doctorate from Claremont Graduate University.

Connect with Zubaida and the Grameen Foundation here 👉 https://Grameenfoundation.org

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

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Jul 7, 2026 50 min

Unlocking Purpose Through Presence

Episode 201

Show notes

This week, Thomas explores how to connect with your deepest purpose and uncover your ‘karmic blueprint’ through embodied presence and contemplative practices.

He shares how purpose is not an external object to be found, but an internal truth that’s revealed by working through life’s challenges, healing your individual wounds, and integrating the wounds of those who came before you.

When we learn to see challenges not as obstacles, but as opportunities to encounter our core creativity and break unhealthy patterns, our path forward becomes much clearer. Thomas also explores the importance of finding community on this journey, and how our personal transformations have ecosystemic impact.

There's still time to join Thomas this month for a new 7-Day Journey: ✨ Unlocking Your Purpose: Deepen Your Connection to your Innermost Calling ✨

Through 7 days of teachings, meditations, and practices led by Thomas, you'll discover your life's purpose as a mystical, emergent, and ongoing dialogue between your inner creative spark and the needs of the world.

It all takes place in our membership community, The Mystic Café. Join now, and you'll get your first month of membership for just $1! Learn more and start your journey here 👉 https://mysticcafeonline.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

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Jun 30, 2026 59 min

Best Of: Spirituality and Mysticism

Episode 200

Show notes

This week, we’re releasing our 200TH EPISODE! To celebrate this milestone, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on spirituality and mysticism.

You’ll hear from Thomas and acclaimed guests with backgrounds in meditation, Buddhism, neuroscience, philosophy, poetry, and Indigenous African spirituality, including: Andrea Gibson, Bayo Akomolafe, Dr. Lisa Miller, and Jack Kornfield.

Tune in for embodied wisdom, deep expertise, and powerful personal insights on the spiritual experience of mortality, the mystical traditions of the Igbo and Yoruba people, how spirituality functions in the brain, and the transformative power of collective experiences and rituals.

01:24 - Andrea Gibson on Befriending Mortality

06:53 - Jack Kornfield on Finding Your Self on the Spiritual Path

19:20 - Thomas on Embodying Our Soul's Capacity

25:47 - Bayo Akomolafe on Bold Frontiers of Spiritual Healing

38:41 - Dr. Lisa Miller on The Science of Spiritual Awakening

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Here are the links to watch or listen to the full episodes that these clips were taken from:

🎬 Segment 1 features acclaimed poet Andrea Gibson from the episode Befriending Mortality 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/andrea-gibson-befriending-mortality/

🎬 Segment 2 features meditation expert and author Jack Kornfield from the episode Finding Your Self on the Spiritual Path 👉https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/jack-kornfield-finding-your-self-on-the-spiritual-path/

🎬 Segment 3 features Thomas from the episode Embodying Our Soul’s Capacity 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/embodying-our-souls-capacity/

🎬 Segment 4 features scholar and philosopher Bayo Akomolafe from the episode Bold Frontiers of Spiritual Healing 👉https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/bayo-akomolafe-phd-bold-frontiers-of-spiritual-healing/

🎬 Segment 5 features psychologist and author Dr. Lisa Miller from the episode The Science of Spiritual Awakening 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/dr-lisa-miller-the-science-of-spiritual-awakening/

Join Thomas this month for a new 7-Day Journey: ✨ Unlocking Your Purpose: Deepen Your Connection to your Innermost Calling ✨

Through 7 days of teachings, meditations, and practices led by Thomas, you'll discover your life's purpose as a mystical, emergent, and ongoing dialogue between your inner creative spark and the needs of the world.

It all takes place in our membership community, The Mystic Café. Join now, and you'll get your first month of membership for just $1! Learn more and start your journey here 👉 https://mysticcafeonline.com/

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Point of Relation Podcast: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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