Practicing Drummer

Recorded September 2026

Kayvon Gordon is a drummer from Detroit who's now based in New York. You might know him from Sullivan Fortner's trio with bassist Tyrone Allen. Their first studio album together, Leave That In There, came out in August. Kayvon and Tyrone are also the rhythm section on two of Nicole Glover's albums that I love and are also on saxophonist Kazemde George's trio album, Ocean Passage. We talk about those and some other great recordings he's on.

Kayvon has also been busy under his own name. Back in July, he put out a solo drum set record called type shit, and his newest album, blood memory, came out in September. It wasn't out yet when we recorded, but we talk about it, and you can find it now (link below).

I had a lot of fun talking to him. Hope you enjoy!

Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/kayvon.gordon/

Kayvon Gordon - type shit
https://kayvongordon.bandcamp.com/album/type-shit

Kayvon Gordon - blood memory
https://kayvongordon.bandcamp.com/album/blood-memory

Full show notes and links:
https://www.practicingdrummer.com/podcast-e20-kayvon-gordon

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded May 2026

Kai is a drummer from the UK who first caught my attention through a series of studio clips and an interview with Greg Hutchinson, who has been his teacher, mentor, and then produced Kai’s album, “A Time Once Forgotten”.

Kai is not only a fantastic player, he’s very insightful and I think you’ll get a lot from this conversation.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/kaiicraig

Website

https://kaicraig.com

Kai Craig - A Time Once Forgotten

https://kaicraig-whirlwind.bandcamp.com/album/a-time-once-forgotten

Kai Craig and Greg Hutchinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prbd7xqoSHY

Sean Payne - Long Story Short

https://seanpayne.bandcamp.com/album/long-story-short

Interview on Four on the Floor

https://jonmccaslinjazzdrummer.blogspot.com/2025/09/kai-craig-time-once-forgotten.html

Kai's Zildjian video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnxZGy5mGjg

Branford Marsalis documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJmyy8IqNo

Brice Wassy - Rythmes du Cameroun

https://amzn.to/4ulc4wV

The song featured in this episode is Namesake off of Kai's album.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded March 2026

Steven Crammer is a drummer based in Brooklyn, NY. His uniquely flexible musicianship has led to a rising stature on the jazz scene, since moving to NYC in 2018. Steven has released two albums, both with co-led projects. His debut album 'Nortonk' was released on Biophilia Records in 2021. The album received praise in multiple publications including Pop Matters, Jazz Trail, Jazzwise, and All About Jazz. In November 2025, his piano trio ‘Prawntail’ released their first record on Endectomorph Music.

He is also a highly active sideman, having performed and/or recorded with a broad range of artists including Max Light, Cecil Alexander, Brian Krock, Matt Pavolka, Chris McCarthy, and many more. You can catch Steven regularly playing in NYC in a wide variety of settings as well as on tour across the US, Canada, and Europe.

Website: https://www.stevencrammer.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevencrammer

Prawntail - Bandcamp

Nortonk - Bandcamp

Nortonk - Album release performance

Nortonk - Drum solo on Cherry

Drummers

Ted Poor

Gerald Cleaver

Craig Taborn - Chants

Books

Ritmica - Portuguese Brazilian drum book

Dan Weiss video courses

John Riley's drum books

Albums

Clifford Jarvis with Barry Harris

Wilbur Ware - Super Bass (with Ed Blackwell)

Jaki Byard - The Last from Lennie's (with Alan Dawson)

Ornette Coleman - This is Our Music

Charlie Parker - One Night in Birdland

Andrew Cyrille instructional VHS (clip) - Please reach out if you have a copy of the whole video.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded in February 2026

Eliza Salem is a drummer, composer, and educator living in New York.

Since Eliza’s career is still relatively young, I thought it would a good time to dive into her upbringing, time in college, and what it’s been like building a career and community in New York.

Hope you enjoy this interview with drummer Eliza Salem!

Website: https://elizasalem.com/

Instagram: @sickwormfacts

Brooklyn Conservatory of Music
https://bkcm.org/profile/eliza-salem/

Wilcoxon - All American Drummer
https://amzn.to/4rKnLN9

Wilcoxon - Rudimental Swing Solos
https://amzn.to/4b4AS4E

Marta Sanchez live at Bop Stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRqDwJWNWEk

Next Jazz Legacy program
https://newmusicusa.org/program/next-jazz-legacy/

Careful in the Sun - Soft Alarm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBW6P5euuZA

Nicole McCabe - Color Theory
https://nicolemccabe.bandcamp.com/album/color-theory

Rick Roe - Monk’s Modern Music
https://www.roejazz.com/product-page/rick-roe-monk-s-modern-music-cd

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded December 2025

Charles is a drummer from New York who started gigging at just 11 years old.

We cover what it was like growing up on the bandstand, his time with Billy Drummond and Kenny Washington at Juilliard, studying with the incredible Marvin “Bugalu” Smith, and a lot more.

Despite being relatively young, Charles has an incredible amount of experience and drops a lot of knowledge in this episode.

https://www.charlesgooldmusic.com

https://www.instagram.com/chuckgeezy

https://charlesgoold.bandcamp.com

Full show notes and links:
https://www.practicingdrummer.com/podcast-e16-charles-goold

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

For most of us, Steve Smith needs no introduction. He’s simply one of the most influential drummers of our time.

• He was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame for his work with Journey
• He’s also considered one of the top jazz and fusion drummers
• He’s led his own group Vital information for more than 40 years
• On top of all that he’s produced some of the best educational books and videos for drummers - I’m currently obsessed with the brush video he did with Adam Nussbaum where they sit down with Billy Hart, Eddie Locke, Joe Morello, Charlie Persip and Ben Riley who demonstrate their technique. It’s incredible.

Anyway, it’s a huge deal that I got to talk to Steve. I’ve been a fan since I was a teenager.

Before we get going I want to give a big thanks to friend of the show Scott Amendola for connecting us. And of course, I have to thank Steve for being so generous with his time.

https://www.vitalinformation.com/

https://www.instagram.com/stevesmithdrums/

https://www.youtube.com/stevesmithchannel

The music included with this episode is Sumo by Vital Information.

Full show notes and links:
https://www.practicingdrummer.com/podcast-e15-steve-smith

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded June 2025

Ron Tierno's name first came up in my interview with Hank Allen-Barfield, who mentioned studying The Melodic Snare Drummer—a book by Ron—while working with Billy Drummond at Juilliard.

Ron has spent his entire career based in New York, where he did some recording and worked extensively as a Broadway musician. He played on the first national tour of CATS and later joined the show's long-running Broadway production.

These days, Ron teaches out of Good Hands Drum Shop in Manhattan and continues to take on some freelance gigs. For the past decade, he’s also performed in holiday concerts with the Boston Pops. While he still enjoys playing, Ron now primarily identifies as a Broadway veteran and educator, drawing on his decades of experience.

https://www.rontierno.com

Ron's Broadway Drumming 101 interview

Ron's Books

The Melodic Snare Drummer

The Hip-Hop Snare Drummer

The Swingin' Snare Drummer

Good Hands Drum Shop in New York City

https://goodhandsdrumshop.com

Other Links

Andy Lalino – Sit In And Play Along On Drums

Jim Chapin – Profile Of A Jazz Drummer: Skin Tight

Music Minus One – For Drummers Only

The Sons of Champlin - Follow Your Heart

The music included with this episode is The Old Man by Frank Weber.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded June 2025

Drummer Mark Ferber appears on more than 200 recordings and remains active with several ongoing projects, including ECM artist Ralph Alessi’s This Against That, the Marc Copland Quartet, the Brad Shepik Organ Trio, and the Grammy-nominated big band and nonet led by his twin brother, Alan Ferber.

He maintains a full schedule, performing regularly in jazz clubs and recording studios across Los Angeles and New York, as well as touring internationally. His past collaborations include tours and recordings with a wide range of artists such as Lee Konitz, Gary Peacock, Jonathan Kreisberg, John O’Gallagher, Don Byron, Fred Hersch, Tony Malaby, Anna Webber, Mark Helias, Pete McCann, Matt Pavolka, Michael Attias, and Billy Childs, and many others.

In addition to his work as a player, Mark also teaches at Cal State Fresno and in the Masters program at Musicians Institute in Hollywood.

https://www.markferber.com

Elvin Jones - Different Drummer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdN9kFCM-s

Charlie Parker Omnibook
https://amzn.to/4eiNDtu

Dave Weckl - Contemporary Drummer + One
https://amzn.to/3TCREPY

Mark Ferber - Anemone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK15bQ6gGK8

Spotify Playlist
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0Qr8yzWpyj5aSGyUyWnkcT?si=c4fd160435ad45f1

The music included with this episode is the song Spinning Things by Marc Copland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxOK8dXrPXw

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

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Recorded February 2025

Hank Allen-Barfield is a young drummer living in New York City who recently graduated from Juilliard.

In college Hank has studied with people like Kenny Washington, Billy Drummond, Paul Wells, and Joe Farnsworth. You can catch Hank playing regularly in New York City or out on the road with Stella Cole.

https://hankallenbarfield.com/
https://www.instagram.com/hankallenbarfield

Stella Cole Tour Dates
https://www.stellacole.net

Nica's Dream at Emmet's Place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB7yhEZ7ccg

Love Walked In at Emmet's Place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hux2KoN0x74

Tim Metz
https://www.timmetz.com

The Melodic Snare Drummer by Ron Tierno
https://www.rontierno.com/publications

Billy Drummond interview
https://www.practicingdrummer.com/podcast-s1-e3-billy-drummond

George Fludas interview
https://www.practicingdrummer.com/podcast-s1-e4-george-fludas/

The music featured in this episode is from Hank's appearance at Emmet's Place.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded January 2025

Scott Amendola is a drummer who grew up on the east coast and made his way to the Bay Area after his time at Berklee in Boston. With a career spanning more than three decades, he’s an ambitious composer, bandleader, electronics explorer, first-call accompanist, and educator.

As a sideman, Scott has performed and recorded with people like Bill Frisell, Regina Carter, John Zorn, Mike Patton, John Scofield, Pat Metheny, Laurie Anderson, and many others.

With his own projects, some of his closest musical associates include guitarists Charlie Hunter, Nels Cline, and Jeff Parker, Hammond B-3 organist Wil Blades, violinist Jenny Scheinman, saxophonist Phillip Greenlief, clarinetist Ben Goldberg, bassists Trevor Dunn, and Todd Sickafoose.

https://scottamendola.com
https://www.instagram.com/scottamendola

The music featured in this episode is from the song Skip a Stop from the SticklerPhonics album Technicolor Ghost Parade.

Full show notes available at https://practicingdrummer.com/podcast-e11-scott-amendola/

SticklerPhonics at Bird & Beckett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLpfEJ8MwI

Fade to Orange (orchestral project)
https://scottamendolamusic.bandcamp.com/album/fade-to-orange-feat-nels-cline-trevor-dunn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd1kkv7pyBo

Pete Engelhart Sapo Bell
http://www.peteengelhartmetalpercussion.com/sapo.html

Red Panda pedals
https://www.redpandalab.com/

Drolo pedals
https://drolofx.com/

ZT guitar amps
https://www.ztamplifiers.com/

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

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Recorded November 2024

Joe Dyson is a drummer from New Orleans who now lives in New York City. His album Look Within has been out for a few years and he hinted at a new solo project and another Bridge Trio album coming in 2025.

Joe has worked with Pat Metheny, Dr. Lonnie Smith, Donald Harrison, Nicholas Payton, Joel Ross, David Weiss, Chief Xian aTunde Adjuah (formerly Christian Scott), and many others.

Links

https://www.joedyson.com/
https://www.instagram.com/joe_dyson/
https://joedyson.bandcamp.com/album/look-within

Qarkabeb - Moroccan hand cymbals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHQL0js9pSw

Roland SPD
https://www.roland.com/us/categories/drums_percussion/percussion/

Pearl DjemBass
https://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/pearl-djembass/world-percussion-hardware

Cecile McLorin Salvant
https://www.cecilemclorinsalvant.com/

Sullivan Fortner
https://www.sullivanfortnermusic.com/

Joel Ross
https://www.iplayvibes.com/

Donald Harrison
https://donaldharrison.com

Immanuel Wilkins
https://www.immanuelwilkins.com/

Chief Xian aTunde Adjuah (formerly Christian Scott)
https://www.chiefadjuah.com/

Bridge Trio
https://thebridgetrio.com/

The music featured in this episode is from the song Fleeting Faith his album Look Within.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

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Recorded June 2024

Jeremy Dutton is drummer from Houston who now lives in New York City. He was featured in Modern Drummer magazine last year and his first album as a leader, Anyone is Better Than Here, has been out for almost exactly a year. Aside from his solo projects, he plays regularly with Joel Ross, Vijay Iyer, James Francies, and many other great artists.

Links:

• https://www.imjeremydutton.com
• Instagram
• Jeremy Dutton @ stephan's basement
• Jeremy Dutton x Cycle Studios: Solo Sessions
• James Francies - Levitate
• James Francies - My Favorite Things

The music featured in this episode is the song Waves from his album Anyone is Better Than Here.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded April 2024

Colleen Clark earned a Doctor of Musical Arts from the University of North Texas and after living in NYC for many years, she’s now an Assistant Professor of Jazz at the University of South Carolina.

In addition to her role at USC, Colleen has several musical projects and the recent album with her band Alliance received a 4 star review in Downbeat. She is also the founder and artistic director of USC’s Jazz Girls Day.

Links:

• https://www.colleendrums.com/
• Instagram
• Alliance
• Jazz Girls Day
• Gordon Stout
• Good Hands Drum Shop
• Steve Maxwell Drums
• Frank Pepe
• Sally's Apizza

The music featured in the episode is the song Wingspan off of Alliance's latest album.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Recorded March 2024

Geoff Clapp spent the majority of his career in New Orleans where he was mentored by Ellis Marsalis, Herlin Riley, Shannon Powell, and many others. He has a couple of great albums out as a leader and has played with Dianne Reeves, Benny Green, Charlie Hunter, Sam Fribush, Wynton Marsalis, Nicolas Payton, and many others.

Links:

• Geoff Clapp - Instagram - Hit him up for lessons!
• Percussionist Alexi Marti live on WWOZ
• Johnny Vidacovich
• Herlin Riley live with Emmett Cohen
• Shannon Powell on jazz funeral drumming

The music featured in the episode comes from the Geoff Clapp Trio live at Monk's:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rouDlx_kTjw
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSVaSac4Gtg
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHMFtr0PdRU

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

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Recorded March 2024

From performing with Duke Ellington at just nine years old, having his own band with Marcus Miller and Kenny Kirkland, to playing with Sonny Rollins, Pat Metheny, McCoy Tyner, and countless others, Ronnie has had a really impressive career.

He's currently staying busy teaching, working with his non-profit called World Rhythm Academy, and playing with his band, Holographic Principle.

Links:

• https://ronnieburrage.biz/
• Instagram
• World Rhythm Academy
• Holographic Principle live at Clement's Place
• Ronnie with McCoy Tyner

The song featured in this episode is Village of the Darned from the album Neohippus by Jack Walrath.

My blog post that I mentioned at the top of the episode:
A Hearing Test Saved My Life

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

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Recorded May 2023

Dan is a drummer and tabla player living in Brooklyn with a unique musical voice that draws from jazz, Indian classical, progressive rock, hip hop, metal, and more. In addition to his varied work as a sideman, he’s also a highly regarded bandleader and composer. Be sure to check out the Dan Weiss Trio and his band Starebaby.

Links

• https://www.danweiss.net/
• Instagram
• Patreon
• Bandcamp
• Dan Weiss Trio

The song featured in this episode is Halfway to Hartford by Noah Preminger.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

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Recorded May 2023

George Fludas is a staple of the Chicago scene who has toured extensively as a member of Ray Brown's Trio, and with groups led by Hank Jones, Diana Krall, Monty Alexander, Cedar Walton and Joey DeFrancesco. George is also a great rock drummer and a John Bonham expert.

Links:

• George's website
• Instagram
• YouTube
• Bonhamology
• People’s Front of Zeppelin
• Philly Joe Jones Brush Artistry
• Yurt Rock sample packs

Chicago Pizza

• Uno and Due
• Pequod's
• Villa Napoli (Tavern style)
• Jimmy's (New York style)

Other podcast interviews with George Fludas:

• Working Drummer
• Drum History Podcast

The song featured in this episode is Mr. PC played by the Benny Green Trio.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Billy Drummond - Recorded April 2023

Billy Drummond is a jazz drummer based out of New York who has played with Horace Silver, Joe Henderson, Bobby Hutcherson, J J Johnson, Sonny Rollins, and countless others. He’s also a great band leader with several wonderful records under his own name. His most recent album as a leader, Valse Sinistre, was a Downbeat Best Album of 2022.

Links:

• Billy Drummond's website
• Facebook
• Thelonious Monk biography by Robin D.G. Kelley
• Monk's Dreams by Frank Kimbrough
• The "Billy Drummond Sweep"
• Saxophone Colossus: The Life and Music of Sonny Rollins
• Billy trading with Sonny Rollins
• Blow Up (live) by Bobby Hutcherson
• Glass Bead Games by Clifford Jordan
• The Great Jazz Trio

Other podcast interviews with Billy Drummond:

• Working Drummer
• Cool Toddcast
• Drummer's Resource
• From the Drummer's Perspective

After the interview Billy sent over a video of albums he’s been listening to recently. You can find the list in the blog post about this episode.

The song featured in this episode is Frankenstein by Billy Drummond & Freedom of Ideas from the album Valse Sinistre.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Colin Stranahan - Recorded April 2023

Based out of Brooklyn, Colin plays and tours with a wide range of artists and is a member of Kind Folk, Real Feels, and the Stranahan/Zaleski/Rosato Trio.

Links:

• Colin's Instagram
• Colin with Kurt Rosenwinkel in New Orleans
• Colin's online courses

• Elite Music Mentor
• My Music Masterclass
• Patreon

• Gilad Hekselman / Cécile Mclorin Salvant @ Cornelia St. Cafe
• Square Song by Theo Kapilidis
• JK Kim
• Timothy Angulo
• Sasha Berliner
• Immanuel Wilkins
• Kweku Sumbry

The songs featured in this episode are Forecast (intro) and Joy Ride (outro).

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.

Brad Webb - Recorded April 2023

Brad is a drummer from Louisiana and after studying classical percussion for most of his life, he switched his focus to drum set.

He’s living up in Boston now and it was great to catch up with him and learn more about his development as a player.

Links:

• Brad Webb's site
• Extended Trio
• Extended Trio live at Monks
• Calvin and Hobbs kit
• LA Backbeat drumsticks
• Basher plays halftime at a Pelicans game
• Kenny Barron Live at Bradley's
• Oscar Rossignoli (piano) playing with Alexey Marti
• Paul Tibedeaux clinic on New Orleans drumming (Facebook)

The song featured in this episode is Prominent Randy by Extended.

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The drum intro is from Charles Ruggiero's Loop Loft sample pack.

Thank you to Bart over at the Drum History podcast for his technical advice and help getting this podcast started.