Podcast
REFS NEED LOVE TOO
An honest perspective from the 3rd team on the pitch... the referees. Through humor, analysis and education, we are slowly changing how people view referees and officials in all sports. We care and have a love for the game as much as any player or coach. Sometimes even more. Youth soccer (proper football) is a multi-billion $ industry in the US. Tremendous money is spent on players, competitions, travel etc., but almost nothing spent on developing the next generation of referees. I hope that this Podcast inspires, educates and humanizes the next generation of referees for their own development and appreciation from the players, coaches and spectators they need to work alongside.
- Episodes
- 119
- Releases
- Every two weeks
- Typical length
- 50 min
- On air since
- 2022
- Latest episode
- 1 week ago
Episodes
119 episodes, newest first
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29 min
Life Changing Experience - Cerebal Palsy World Cup
Show notes
There’s a World Cup happening that most soccer fans never think to look for, and it might be the most inspiring tournament I’ve ever stepped into. I’m talking about the IFCPF World Cup, the international cerebral palsy soccer World Cup, hosted at the US Soccer headquarters. From 7v7 men’s matches to 5v5 women’s games, the speed and intensity are real, and the athletes are absolutely legitimate footballers, even while managing cerebral palsy, traumatic brain injury, or stroke-related impairment.
I break down how CP soccer works, including the on-field accommodations and the functional classification system (FT1, FT2, FT3) that keeps matches fair and competitive. We also talk about what makes this tournament unique this year, from the mix of nations to the emotional edge you feel during walkouts and anthems. Even when ability levels vary by program resources, the pride is the same, and the styles of play still look unmistakably Japanese, Colombian, Scottish, Spanish, English, and American.
Then I take you behind the scenes as a soccer referee: how I got invited, what it’s like walking into a locker room with international officials and former FIFA referees, and what I learn working alongside elite leadership in high-pressure matches. I also share a couple moments I wish I could take back, plus the mental cues that help me reset fast and stay sharp when the next decision matters.
If you care about refereeing, adaptive sports, or the parts of soccer that remind you why you fell in love with the game, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share this with a referee friend, and leave a review with the biggest takeaway you’re stealing for your next match.
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1 hr 14 min
A FIFA Ref Explains Why Mental Health Matters - Margaret Domka, Former FIFA Referee and Executive Director of the US Center for Mental Health in Sport
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One bad moment on a sideline can wreck a match, end a referee’s season, or follow someone home for weeks. We start with real-world, field-tested guidance on spectator interaction: what to expect, what to ignore, when to explain a call, and why confronting parents directly so often backfires. If you care about referee abuse, match control, and keeping games safe for kids, this first part is packed with practical referee tips you can use this weekend.
Then I’m joined by Margaret Domka, co-founder and executive director of the U.S. Center for Mental Health and Sport and a former FIFA Women’s World Cup referee. Margaret gets honest about confidence, mistakes, and the “10,000 decisions” reality where a few seconds can hijack your entire week. We talk about pressure, isolation, and why referees and athletes need more than toughness. They need tools, language, and support systems that make mental health in sports as normal to address as a sprained ankle.
We also dig into what actually helps: community check-ins, mentors who ask “Are you OK?”, and training that works like mental health first aid. Margaret explains the ACT Mental Health Awareness Certification and how it equips sports organizations, coaches, parents, and officials to recognize warning signs, respond early, and connect people to professional care. We close with insights from the National Association of Sports Officials survey, including what drives referee retention and why women officials need development reps, not shortcuts.
If this conversation helps, subscribe, share it with your referee crew or club leaders, and leave a review so more sports communities can build safer sidelines and stronger mental health.
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1 hr 10 min
You Can Start Late And Still Be Great! Jim Lacey Shares Regionals Experience.
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You can be in your mid-50s, start refereeing “late,” and still earn the biggest assignments if you show up prepared, fit, and professional. That’s the heart of our conversation with Jim Lacey, a Los Angeles-area-based grassroots referee, mentor, and instructor who also happens to be a cancer epidemiologist. Jim shares how he moved from AYSO into USSF, started working higher levels alongside his son, and learned what tournament environments like Far West Regionals truly reward.
We also get real about referee safety in Southern California: punishing late-summer heat, relentless sun, limited shade at big complexes, and the pressure to work game after game with almost no downtime. Jim breaks down why sun exposure is not just discomfort, it’s a long-term health risk tied to skin cancer prevention, and why leagues should think about scheduling, breaks, hydration, and recovery for officials the same way they do for players.
Then we dive into the moment every ambitious soccer referee wants to understand: how opportunities open up at Regionals. Jim walks through being labeled an outlier, getting assignments that felt limiting, choosing to treat a U12 match with total respect and sharp mechanics, and turning that performance into a higher-level “prove it” match. The result is a story about credibility, composure, and why no assignment is ever “small” when coaches and assessors are watching.
If you’re a grassroots referee, a USSF referee chasing upgrades, or a mentor trying to build the next generation, this one will hit home. Subscribe, share this with a referee who needs it, and leave a review with the best advice you’ve ever gotten on the field.
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43 min
You Can Save A Life By Starting A Conversation - Dr. Skye Arthur-Banning Discussing Mental Health in Sport Part 2
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You can love sports and still admit this: the culture can be brutal on mental health. I sit down with Sky Arthur-Banning to talk about why sport is one of the best places to spot distress early, reduce stigma, and build real support networks for athletes, coaches, parents, and officials. We also name the stakes, including suicide prevention, the reality that many people suffer in silence, and why knowing resources like the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline matters.
Sky breaks down the mission behind the U.S. Center for Mental Health and Sport and how it grew from work with veterans and adaptive sport communities. The big idea is simple and powerful: people may avoid anything labeled “mental health,” but they will show up for sport, and that is where trust already lives. From there, the Center delivers practical training that fits real schedules and real sidelines, from youth soccer to NCAA programs and pro organizations.
We dig into the ACT Certification, a two-hour, sport-specific approach that works like CPR for mental health: you are not becoming a clinician, you are learning how to start the conversation, recognize warning signs, and connect someone to support. We also talk about what this means for referees managing dissent and emotion, why authenticity matters on the field, and what youth sports needs to change if we want safer, healthier environments for everyone.
If you care about mental health in sports, referee wellbeing, adaptive soccer, and building better youth sports culture, hit play, share this with someone in your club, and subscribe, rate, and review so more people find the conversation.
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51 min
Adaptive Soccer, Real Impact with Dr. Skye Arthur-Banning - Part 1
Show notes
A retired Army Ranger captaining Team USA after a traumatic brain injury. A World Cup coming to Georgia that most soccer fans do not even know exists. A version of the game where the toughest calls are not about memorizing rules, but about understanding how an athlete’s body moves and what “fair” really means. That’s where this conversation with Dr. Skye Arthur Banning takes us, and it left me genuinely rethinking the craft of officiating the beautiful game.
Skye is a Clemson professor of sport management, a veteran NCAA referee, and a leader in two of the most demanding corners of officiating: cerebral palsy football (CP football) and blind soccer. We break down what makes CP football its own sport, including seven-a-side play, roll-ins, no offside, and the classification system (FT1, FT2, FT3) that keeps competition balanced. He also explains how referees adjust decisions by reading “natural position” through the lens of an individual athlete’s disability, not just a generic model of movement.
Then we pivot into blind soccer, one of the most intense and inspiring forms of adaptive sport. We talk sound balls, blackout eye shades, sighted goalkeepers, guides behind the goal, and the “voy” rule that requires defenders to announce a challenge or concede a foul. If you have ever wondered how athletes who cannot see can dribble, pass, and score at speed, this will make you a believer.
If this changed how you see the Laws of the Game, share it with a referee or coach, subscribe for part two, and leave a review so more people find adaptive soccer and the people building it.
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58 min
Inside SOCAL Soccer League's Plan To Address America's Grassroots Referee Shortage with special guest, Michelle Chesters, Executive Director of SOCAL Soccer League
Show notes
Youth soccer can’t function without referees, yet too many leagues treat officials like an afterthought until the shortage hits. I sit down with Michelle Chesters, Executive Director of SoCal Soccer League, to talk candidly about what it really takes to support referees across one of the biggest youth soccer footprints in the United States: roughly 5,200 teams, over 50,000 players, and games scattered across about 1,200 field locations on a typical weekend. When that many matches rely on grassroots officials, referee development becomes core league infrastructure, not a side project.
We dig into the decisions SOCAL is making to improve the referee experience and raise the standard on the field: creating a full-time referee programming and development role, building a practical learning management system for grassroots referees, and increasing referee pay from $2 per minute to $3 per minute with clear expectations attached. We also talk about safety and sideline culture, including stronger consequences for spectator misconduct and why accountability has to cover the full ecosystem.
Then we get specific on data-driven improvement with the Fair Whistle reporting platform: quick post-match surveys, trend tracking across thousands of games, and the right way to use video clips for education instead of replaying results. If you care about referee abuse, referee shortage solutions, youth soccer culture, and building better officials at the grassroots level, this conversation is a blueprint. Subscribe, share with your club, and leave a review so more leagues hear what’s possible.
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50 min
Heat, Hustle, And The Referee’s Limit & Guest on the Powershift Mindshift Podcast with Coach Jay
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Four games. Full sun. Ninety degrees. And not a single real break between assignments. We’re talking about the part of soccer nobody wants to face until it goes wrong: extreme heat, overloaded referee schedules, and why the current setup can push officials toward dangerous decisions and real health risk, especially on turf that can feel like 140 degrees at field level. If you’ve ever wondered how referees are supposed to stay sharp, fair, and safe when the calendar is packed for tournament profit, you’ll hear the unfiltered reality here.
From there, we get into the surprising truth about youth soccer officiating: U12 can feel tougher than U17. Not because of speed, but because of unpredictable bounces, awkward contact, tight spaces, and parents close enough to comment on every moment. We also unpack how assigners and leagues can set young officials up for failure when experience doesn’t match the intensity of the match, and what “respect for the game” looks like in practice: preparation, fitness, movement, and treating every level like it matters.
I was recently a guest on the Powershift Mindset podcast hosted by Coach Jay. We dug into high school soccer vs USSF, including why handball arguments explode and how simple referee communication (voice, signals, and quick explanations) can shut down dissent before it spreads. If you’re a referee, coach, or soccer parent, you’ll leave with concrete tools for match management, cautions, and calmer sidelines, plus a better understanding of what officials are balancing every minute. Subscribe for more real referee talk, share this with your referee crew, and leave a review. What’s the hardest environment you’ve seen for officials: turf heat, U12 sidelines, or high school coaches?
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45 min
How Three Young Referees Are Helping Launch An HBCU Soccer Program
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You can feel it right away: this isn’t a normal college soccer conversation. We’re talking with Morgan Dunham, Zachary Eggeston, and Kingston McDonald as they help launch the brand-new Tuskegee Golden Tigers men’s and women’s soccer programs, stepping onto campus as the first wave of players tasked with building an NCAA team culture from nothing. No hand-me-down traditions, no “ask the seniors,” just a blank slate and the pressure of knowing every standard they set becomes part of the program’s identity.
What makes their perspective even sharper is that they’re not only players; they’re referees too. We get into what it’s like living on both sides of the whistle: how knowledge changes decision-making on the field, why arguing rarely helps, and how referee abuse can either break your confidence or forge it. They share real stories of big offside decisions, chaotic moments, and the mindset it takes to make a call with people in your face and still stay composed.
We also zoom out to the bigger picture of soccer in the United States: the pay-to-play problem, the way cost pushes talented kids out of the sport, and why the World Cup and growing diversity in U.S. Soccer could be a turning point for access in Black communities and beyond. You’ll also hear how a docuseries will follow the team through this first season and how fans can track their progress.
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1 hr 1 min
New Laws of the Game 2026/27 with Nathan Magill, Director of Education from US Soccer
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Five seconds. That’s the new line between “let’s get on with it” and a restart that flips against you. We sit down with Nathan McGill, Director of Referee Education and Development at U.S. Soccer, to unpack the IFAB Laws of the Game 2026-2027 changes that will hit community matches fast, especially anything related to time wasting, match tempo, and ball-in-play time. If you referee youth soccer, adult amateur, or semi-pro games, this conversation is designed to help you walk onto the field on day one with a clear plan and confident communication.
We break down the practical mechanics behind the five-second countdown on throw-ins and goal kicks, including the key question every referee is asking: when does the count actually start? Nathan explains why the whistle matters when the ball is dead, why the count can begin before the ball is in the thrower’s hands, and how U.S. Soccer wants referees to use visible and verbal communication to reduce surprises and conflict. We also dig into the tactical impact of a delayed goal kick becoming a corner kick, and what that means for coaches who still teach “wait, then go long” at the end of matches.
From there, we tackle the tougher grassroots challenges: the 10-second substitution expectation and the consequence that can leave a team short for a full minute, plus injury management when a trainer enters the field and the one-minute off-field requirement with important exceptions. We also clarify Law 4 updates on jewelry and accessories, highlight the DOGSO advantage update when a goal is scored, and get Nathan’s take on body cameras and the push for captain-only communication to cut dissent.
If you want the clearest path to consistent, safe, fair match control under the new rules, this is your playbook. Subscribe, share this with your referee crew, and leave a review with the law change you think will cause the most confusion in August.
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38 min
World Cup Officiating Insights with Alan Kelly - PRO Director of Senior Match Officials and Former FIFA Referee
Show notes
The World Cup can make even experienced fans feel like the rules changed overnight. Players stay on their feet more, restarts happen faster, and referees seem more willing to let contact go without losing control. That’s not an accident, and I wanted a real expert to explain what’s happening and why it matters.
I’m joined by Alan Kelly, a former FIFA referee and the Director of Senior Match Officials at PRO, the organization responsible for training and assigning top professional referees in the United States. Alan shares what it’s like watching the tournament from the stands while still evaluating the craft, plus why having so many PRO officials working the World Cup is a major milestone. We dig into the bigger story behind modern soccer officiating: credibility comes from reading the game early, moving proactively to create clean angles, and communicating in ways that prevent chaos rather than react to it.
We also get into the practical stuff fans are noticing right now, including stronger crackdowns on time wasting, quicker substitutions, off-field treatment requirements, and visible counts on restarts that keep the ball in play. Then we talk ref cam and why first-person footage can change referee education at every level by showing what the referee could and couldn’t see. We wrap with one of the best development tips I’ve heard: soft skills are built by watching more soccer with intent, not just studying big VAR moments.
If you enjoyed this conversation, subscribe, share it with a ref or a soccer fan, and leave a review so more people find the show.
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54 min
We Need Better Systems To Support Officials with Huck Sorock of REFR Sports
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The World Cup is almost here, and my life is about to get loud in the best way: I’m heading to seven matches with FIFA and TikTok as a Creator Correspondent, with access that changes what I can share and where I can share it. That excitement is real, but so is the deeper reason I care about this tournament. When the US Men’s National Team takes the field, you see a diverse group that reminds us what it looks like to pull in the same direction, even when the country feels split apart.
We also sit with a story that is hard to shake: a Somali FIFA referee, after years of screening and international travel, reportedly lands in Miami and is denied entry for “vetting concerns.” We talk about what that decision costs on a human level, what it suggests about travel bans and bias, and why judging people as individuals matters. For anyone who loves soccer, refereeing, and the integrity of global sport, it’s a moment worth examining out loud.
Then we get tactical with Huck Sorock from Refer Sports about the biggest hidden problem in youth sports and amateur soccer: referee assigning. We dig into what modern referee assigning software should actually do, from paying officials faster to reducing admin chaos during massive tournaments. We talk AI schedule imports, agentic AI as a productivity multiplier, building an in-app community for training and support, and why retention improves when assigners can spend less time on spreadsheets and more time mentoring refs. If you care about sports officiating, referee retention, and smarter assigning systems, this one is for you.
Subscribe for more, share this with an assigner or official who needs better tools, and leave a review so more referees can find the show.
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1 hr 11 min
Coach Challenges And Video Review In College Soccer with John Collins, NCAA Head of Officiating
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College soccer is about to change in ways that will hit everyone on match day: referees, coaches, players, and the people in the stands wondering why the game has stopped again. After sharing a personal weekend at the brand-new U.S. Soccer National Training Center, including the eye-opening mechanics of officiating deaf and power wheelchair matches, we bring on one of the best voices to explain what’s coming next for the NCAA.
John Collins, the NCAA national coordinator of soccer officials and a professional assessor across MLS, NWSL, and USL, walks us through the biggest NCAA soccer rules changes. We dig into the move to a coach-initiated video review challenge system, what incidents are actually reviewable, and why replay in college can be painfully slow without a full VAR team, dedicated replay operators, and a deep set of camera angles. John also breaks down why the fourth official becomes even more important now, how substitution opportunities shift when the clock is stopped, and what the optional Video Match Official role could mean for the future.
We also tackle the men’s Division I fall-spring calendar proposal, the student-athlete wellness case behind it, and the ripple effects on referee scheduling, development, and opportunity across all divisions. We wrap with the cultural hold of the countdown clock, plus discipline updates like simplifying violent behavior categories and new bench decorum accountability that puts staff cautions onto the head coach’s accumulation. If you care about NCAA soccer officiating, video review, coach challenges, and the direction of the college game, this is the roadmap. Subscribe, share with your referee crew, and leave a review with your take on coach challenges and replay time.
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55 min
World Cup Concerns on the "For Ref's Sake!" Podcast
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The strangest part about refereeing is that everyone sees you, but almost nobody knows you. This week David was a guest on the "For Ref's Sake" podcast.
We talk about how I went from a grassroots soccer referee turned global creator during the COVID era, which sparked a community where referees, coaches, players, and parents can finally talk about the game like humans. What happens when officials stop being faceless and start being approachable, educational, and honest about how decisions get made?
We get into the real craft of officiating: why the Laws of the Game are subjective, how positioning and angle change everything, and how to discuss big moments like DOGSO, SPA, serious foul play, reckless challenges, and offensive or insulting language without turning it into clickbait. David shares why he tries to lead with a teacher’s heart, how he keeps up with the flood of clips and questions, and what it takes to build a sustainable refereeing platform that includes short-form content, long-form podcasting, and referee gear that funds the work.
Then we zoom out to World Cup 2026 in the United States. David lays out concerns many fans are not hearing loudly enough: visa barriers, high costs, heat and humidity, political headwinds, and the possibility of empty seats early on. But there is optimism too, including why ticket and housing prices may drop and why visitors can still expect warmth from everyday Americans. We close with a simple standard for any official who wants to level up: integrity, courage, a willingness to learn, and a deep love for the game.
Subscribe for more conversations that make you better on the pitch, share this with a ref who needs encouragement, and leave a review with your biggest referee lesson or sideline story.
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42 min
You Can Build A Referee Program That Kids Want To Join with Carlos Ledesma
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The fastest way to lose a new referee is to certify them online and then throw them into the deep end on a busy weekend. We start with a few big updates from my world, including our first Dr. Tom Gerson Pops Memorial Scholarships for referees and why telling those stories every year matters to me and my family.
Then I’m joined by Carlos Ledesma, a Northern California assigner, director of referees, and certified mentor who has quietly built what a lot of leagues are missing: a repeatable system to recruit, train, develop, and retain soccer referees. Carlos breaks down how he sells refereeing to 13 and 14-year-olds, why shadowing works in real games, and how club scrimmages can become a low-pressure training ground where new officials learn mechanics, positioning, pregame routines, and confidence before the first “real” assignment.
We also get practical about referee safety and retention: sideline seating policies that keep spectators off the assistant referee’s back, strict zero tolerance expectations, and the underrated step of communicating with referees after a referee abuse report so they know action was taken. If you’re an assigner, club leader, coach, or referee mentor trying to solve the referee shortage with better training instead of wishful thinking, you’ll leave with a model you can copy.
Subscribe for more behind-the-scenes referee conversations, share this with your local club, and leave a review so more officials and assigners can find the show.
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6 min
Update! Bouncing Back After A Mistake
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A single referee mistake can hijack your confidence for days, especially when it happens in a high school playoff match with a crowd watching. I share a raw update on a procedural error I had to admit publicly, including the moment I took a go-ahead goal off the board and how heavy that felt after the final whistle. If you’ve ever walked to your car replaying one decision on repeat, you’ll recognize the mix of pride, guilt, and the need to keep showing up anyway.
From there, we pivot to the quick reset that every soccer referee needs: an easy assistant referee night that still had its own challenge (yes, you can get cooked by the sun even at a “night” game). Then we get into a competitive Georgia high school soccer matchup between 6A teams where game management matters on every touch. We talk injuries, five yellow cards, delays of restart, reckless challenges, and how using comms with a strong crew helps us spot flashpoints and keep players from boiling over.
We close with the small details that make officials better: smarter positioning on goal kicks, opening your body to read the long ball, and why over-apologizing (“I’m sorry”) can actually make dissent worse. There’s also a quick referee gear update with new referee socks and the latest on grip socks restocking and why they sell out so fast. If this helped you, subscribe, share it with a ref friend, and leave a review so more officials can find it.
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29 min
Integrity Over Ego: Why I Took a Goal Off the Board
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A playoff match can feel perfect for 50 minutes and then unravel in 10 seconds. That’s what happened to me in Georgia, and I’m not proud of it. I’m sharing the full, raw story of a high school postseason game where I made a procedural mistake on a restart, saw the consequences hit the scoreboard, and then had to make the hardest choice a referee can make in public: admit it and fix it.
We talk through the whole arc, from pregame prep and crew dynamics to why comms can help when things get fast. I break down a clear DOGSO handball moment on a corner kick that leads to a penalty and a red card, then the decision that changed everything: allowing a quick free kick when the ball was still moving. When that restart turns into a goal, the match explodes. I consult the crew, swallow my ego, disallow the goal, and deal with the reality that doing the “right” procedural thing can still look terrible to players, coaches, and fans.
If you care about soccer officiating, NFHS rules, playoff game management, referee mindset, and getting back up after a rough night, this one is for you. Subscribe, share it with a referee friend, and leave a review with the toughest lesson you’ve learned on the field.
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45 min
Brand New at 42 with Holly Jimenez - It's Never Too Late To Be Great!
Show notes
The hardest part of picking up a whistle as an adult isn’t learning the signals, it’s walking onto the field while everyone assumes you’ve done this forever. Holly Jimenez knows that feeling firsthand. She starts refereeing at 42, feels the nerves at U9 games, makes the kind of mistakes that haunt you on the drive home, and still keeps showing up until her experience builds and the confidence grows.
We get into how she goes from local youth soccer to top level assignments like MLS NEXT environments and semi-pro matches in the WPSL and UPSL, including what changes when you’re in a stadium with real crowds and veteran officials. Holly breaks down the pieces that accelerate referee development: mentors who give honest feedback, assigners who challenge you at the right pace, and the mindset shift of treating mistakes as part of referee training rather than proof you don’t belong.
Holly also brings a unique edge to soccer officiating: she’s a longtime Spanish teacher, and her ability to speak Spanish can instantly cool down dissent, build rapport, and even catch the sideline when people assume the referee won’t understand. We also talk directly about the reality of being a female referee, the sexism that still shows up on touchlines, and why communities like the Female Referee Organization of Georgia matter for retention, safety, and growth.
If you care about better game management, stronger support for referees, and getting more women into officiating, you’ll take something practical from this conversation. Subscribe, share this with a referee friend, and leave a review so more officials can find the show.
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48 min
What Elite FIFA Officials Can Teach Grassroots Referees with Jan Aravirtra, Referee Academy
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The fastest way to level up as a soccer referee is not learning one more obscure law, it is learning how to handle people when the match te. I’m joined by Jan Aravitra, a former FIFA international referee from Finland with nearly two decades at the top level, including UEFA competitions and World Cup qualifiers. We get into the behind-the-scenes reality of working with different crews, different cultures, and different communication styles, especially from the perspective of an elite assistant referee.
We talk about focus in hostile environments, and how you can “block out the noise” without ignoring the emotional temperature of the benches and spectators. Jan explains why players care so much about being treated fairly, how repeated moments can snowball into dissent, and what experienced officials do to keep the game balanced and under control. We also dig into practical man management: when to build rapport, when to stay composed, why yelling back never works, and how the best referees set clear borders without turning the match into a debate.
Then we shift into referee education and development. Jan shares why he built the Referee Academy, how video feedback and live clip discussions accelerate learning for grassroots referees, and why community is a key factor in referee retention and mental health. If you’re a new ref trying to survive your first seasons or a veteran trying to mentor others, you’ll take away specific habits you can use on your very next match.
If this helps you, subscribe for more conversations like this, share it with a referee who needs support, and leave a review so more officials can find the show.
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49 min
Premier League Referee Scott Ledger on Longevity, Learning and Love of the Game
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A soldier-turned-official sets a six-year goal to reach the Premier League—and makes it! Then he does an even rarer thing: he stays for over 15 years! We sit down with Scott Ledger, a 500+ appearance Premier League Assistant Referee and FA Cup Final appointee, to unpack the craft behind elite officiating—how preparation, humility, and sharp eyes under pressure create credibility when tens of thousands are judging every move.
Scott takes us inside the modern toolkit: pre-match data packs that map set-piece patterns and passing lanes, film study to anticipate offside traps and screens, and the small human edge of knowing players’ first names to defuse tension. He breaks down why “looking switched on” matters as much as getting the call right, especially for assistant referees who spend long stretches semi-active but must sell a complex decision in a heartbeat. We also explore the mental game of VAR: delayed flags, instant feedback, and the rubber-band reset that helps him let go of the last check and lock in for the next one.
From fitness to field craft, Scott explains the lateral speed work, GPS targets, and position resets that keep him aligned with lightning-fast wingers. He shares the culture shock of moving from Sunday League to the Premier League’s event-level logistics, plus a fan encounter that turned into a mini laws seminar. And he pitches a smart IFAB tweak to curb time-wasting on goalkeeper “injuries” by forcing a teammate to leave—small changes that could protect game flow without gimmicks from goalkeepers.
It’s a candid, practical masterclass for referees, coaches, and football obsessives who want to see the game with clearer eyes. If you value preparation, composure, and the pursuit of marginal gains, this conversation will sharpen how you watch—and how you work. If you've enjoyed it, please follow the show, share with a ref friend, and leave a quick review to help more people find us.
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44 min
Respect The Call, Change The Game with Kari Seitz, VP of Referees for US Soccer
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Abusive sidelines don’t fix bad calls—and they’re driving referees out of the game. We sat down with U.S. Soccer’s Vice President of Referees, Kari Seitz, to break down how “Respect the Call” and Policy 531-9 are changing that story with clear standards, real accountability, and education designed for today’s crews.
We start with the foundation: knowing the difference between a raw emotional reaction and dissent. That clarity matters because early, consistent action keeps matches from spiraling. Kari explains the new video series that teaches practical skills most officials never learn in class—how to read tone and proximity, how to set boundaries, and even how to show a card with presence so your message lands the first time. You’ll hear why empowering young and new referees to act decisively is the single best way to prevent escalation and protect the flow of the game.
From there, we zoom out to the system. Kari walks us through centralized reporting for abuse, fair and age-appropriate sanctions, and league adoption that extends to parents on the touchline. We also explore the U.S. Refereeing Way, a national push to unify instruction and mechanics so referees in California and Georgia get the same guidance on AR positioning, dissent management, and match control. Think modern training modules, shareable vertical videos, and a future “referee passport” to track experience, education, and progression—less guesswork, more support.
If you’ve ever wondered how to stop the churn of officials, this conversation shows the roadmap: consistent definitions, confident enforcement, and a culture that treats referees as essential to soccer. Watch the new Respect the Call videos, share them with your club, and put the standards into practice. We need your help!
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