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On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• Carolina's Rod Brind'amour is baffled after Seth Jarvis failed to draw a penalty shot after getting hauled down on a clear breakaway... we dig into the part of the rule that might have tipped the scales on that call.
• Golden Knights' Lauzon goes knee-on-knee on Sens' Foegele
• Ottawa's Hodgson gets five and a game for boarding Kings' Clarke

• Liney takes out Pens' Crosby
• Officiating milestones for Hebert and Martenet
• Panthers' Gudas delivers an unpenalized flying elbow
• Leafs' Matthews head to the box for a faceoff violation
• Rangers win a goalie interference challenge vs. Kings
• Devils' Meier was in the crease... or was he?

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On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• Chaos at Panthers vs. Senators
• Tkachuk and Cousins both fined
• The broken stick penalty that wasn't
• Bruins' Zadorov returns, picking up two penalties on one play
• Pens' Crosby goes at it with Mammoth's Peeke, probably deserved an extra two
• Blues' Snuggerud scores off the skate - good goal?
• Avs interference challenge fails vs. Flyers after Manson shoves Martone into the blue paint
• Habs' Dobes takes his own goaltender interference penalty
• A rare goalie high sticking penalty, this one on the Penguins' Arturs Silovs
• Wild's Hughes jumps too soon and picks up a too many men call in OT
• Sabres' Power whistled for a high stick he didn't commit -and why they couldn't take it back
• Montreal Canadiens now lead the league with 4 goals lost to video review
• Officiating milestones for Gibbons (800), Mills (600), and Halkidis (200)
• and should the NHL borrow a replay wrinkle the NFL is considering?

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On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• Daisy down! Liney injured in Montreal
• Ref interference as St-Laurent collides with Canucks' Petterson
• Leafs' Ekman-Larsson plastered into the boards, but no puck... and no call on Vegas
• Jackets' Olivier goes spearfishing down below, catches a major, game, and a fine
• Isles' Horvat gets throttled on an empty-netter, resulting in a two-game ban for Blackhawks' Nazar
• Mammoth's Vejmelka chucks a stick and gets 10
• Devils' Rodrigues gets a penalty downgraded from spearing - wrong call - and still gets a fine
• Kings' Edmundson leaves the bench to join an altercation, even though 70.10 says you can't do that
• Canadiens get three goals wiped out vs. Red Wings
• No instigator for Devils' Kovacevic for starting a fight (after a clean hit) with Rangers' Cuylle
• Goaltender interference, but backwards as Blues' Hofer takes out Wild's Kaprizov
• and court is in session! Checking out the latest suggestions from The Athletic's Rules Court

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On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• How was that icing, when the puck went in the net? A baffling call in the AHL
• Down goes a KHL official!
• Blues' Carlo goes knee-on-knee with Stars' Hintz
• Red Wings' Kolesar gets away with instigating
• Hawks' Dach hits Kraken's Dunn from behind - no call
• Sens' Stutzle hits Wings' Finnie from behind - no call
• Kraken's Meyers hits Golden Knight's Olofsson from behind - finally, a call! Major and a game, but nothing from NHL Player Safety
• Bruins' Minten penalized after case of mistaken identity
• Bolts' Hagel goes head-hunting on Flyers' Martone
• Seattle's McCann shoves a liney from the bench, though he may have had a good reason to do so
• Sens' Grieg, back from suspension, goes for a reverse hit
• Habs' Dobes loses his glove... and plays on, barehanded!

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On this week's #RefsPodcast:

• The 2026-27 NHL Season gets underway with some pre-puck-drop thoughts from refs Chris Rooney and Wes McCauley
• The Canucks' Rossi sees his shot go from goal to no goal and back to goal again - once the NHL's Situation Room got involved.
• Liney Ryan Daisy ends up in the Bolts' bench
• Ref Graham Skilliter takes Mitch Marner out of the play
• Finishing up some preseason leftovers with fines to the Kraken's Ottavainen and Canadiens' Matheson
• Bruins' Zadorov delivers an elbow... or does he?
• Karlsson vs. Ekholm - the wrong man was convicted
• Sharks' Trouba and Nurse go after some Tkachuks
• Sabres' Metsa takes offense to CBJ's Olivier putting the puck in the net; Olivier takes offense to Metsa's objection
• We've got a goalie goal!
• and did Jack Hughes just take himself out of Lady Byng contention?

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Getting ready for the 2026-27 NHL regular season with a jam-packed episode this week:

• Zegras gets a penalty for tucking his jersey -- the first time it's been called in 13 years!
• Canucks' Chytil injured after run-in with ref
• Kraken's Ottavainen gets his revenge on the Flames' Othmann, picking up 2, 5, and 10, including an instigator penalty
• Caps' Cristall gets the first fine of the preseason for a crosscheck to the face
• Three suspensions to start the season as McAvoy and Grieg carry over, and Hellebuyck is a no-show
• Soucy's controversial hit takes out Zellweger
• Sens' Blais hits Leafs' Blankenberg, then Brisson steps in but avoids an instigator penalty
• Blackhawks' Spellacy gets tossed for a headbutt, but no fine or suspension
• Refs rack up the miles last season - 3.1 million of 'em

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Enter the 32 Teams! The NHL is back from summer break and so is the Scouting the Refs Podcast. There's not much summer reading to catch up on with only one change to the NHL rulebook. Like Wu Tang said, protect ya neck!

On this week's show:

• Five retiring NHL officials
• Four promotions
• Six new hires join the NHL stripes
• The lone rule change in the NHL rulebook
• Three rule changes in the WHL, including one that could revolutionize overtime
• NHL players offer their suggestion on rule tweaks, and we weigh in on what might work and what might never happen

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That's a wrap on the 2025-26 NHL season, as the Carolina Hurricanes claimed the Stanley Cup in Game 6 over the Vegas Golden Knights. Wrapping up:

• Referee Golfin' Garrett Rank takes a tumble
• Canes' Jason Blake gets called for tripping. A marginal tripping call? In the Stanley Cup Final?
• Tomas Hertl pushes the puck to win a draw. "You can't do that," says Rule 67 (and liney Trent Knorr, who saw it all happen)
• An AHL penalty shot call sends the announcer into a frenzy. Listen to him complain about it... and then undermine his argument!
• Congrats to the ECHL's Kelly Cup Champion Florida Everblades, who won - and got dumped.
• and what topics might be on tap at the upcoming NHL Board of Governors' meetings? Rule changes, perhaps?

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The NHL Stanley Cup Final is in full swing! This week:

• No call on Golden Knights' Eichel for dumping Canes' Staal
• Vegas's Stone sticks Chatfield up high, prompting an official discussion and a video review. How did that work, exactly?
• Game 3 has two challenges against Vegas - one for offside against Howden, one for goaltender interference on Barbashev
• A Cup Final Penalty Shot courtesy Wes McCauley! Breaking down the call and the criteria
• Not-quite-buzzer-beater by McNabb
• Carolina's Stankoven gets crosschecked by Dowd. It was a minor penalty - should it have been more?
• Puck over glass! Puck over glass! Puck over glass! When was the last time a team was whistled for three puck-over-glass penalties?!
• Breaking down the ref pairs and the stats in the Cup Final. Which pair favors one team over the other... and why?
• What do we need to do to get the NHL to hand out some hardware to the officials? A Golden Whistle would be nice, but we have some other trophy suggestions.

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We've made it through the NHL Conference Finals and Games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup Final with plenty to discuss on this week’s Refs Podcast:

• The NHL's Final Four refs and linespersons
• Ghislain Hebert gets a new gig up north
• The ref cam is back!
• Referee Chris Rooney kicks off the Cup Final with some words of encouragement
• Icing, icing, baby... or is it? Breaking down a controversial icing call that led to a Carolina Hurricanes goal in Game 1.
• Why the whistle? Did the referee lose sight of the puck? Or was it goaltender interference? Logic says the latter as Vegas Golden Knights head coach John Tortorella challenged -- losing both the challenge and the game. What happened on that play?
• And, hang on, did we get an official post-game comment from the NHL Officiating team on that call!?

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We’ve got a jam-packed week of Stanley Cup action to run down on this week’s Refs Podcast:

• Canadiens’ Dobson delivers a high-stick from his knees
• A clear spear from Montreal’s Texier on Canes’ Miller gets called a slash. What?
• Carolina’s Hall hits Hutson
• Dorofeyev’s Golden Knights goal gets disallowed for being batted in with a glove… or was it deflected by a high stick above the crossbar? Or both?
• Canadiens’ Caufield goes offside… but the faceoff goes way back
• Was that a missed call for Too Many Men against Montreal in overtime?
• Vegas’ Hertl takes out the Canes’ Necas on what should’ve been a penalty
• At the Memorial Cup, Chicoutimi Sagueneens’ Jordan Tourigny gets ejected - and suspended - for stomping the skate of Kitchener’s Christian Humphreys.

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On this week's playoff-penalty-filled episode:

• Six for McAvoy's lumberjack attack
• Habs' Xhekaj pays up for punch
• Avalanche's Manson puts his butt-end where it doesn't belong, gets a fine and a penalty -- but should've gotten more
• Sabres' Malenstyn steamrolls Habs' Dobes
• A double-goal-review at Canadiens vs. Sabres that goes from no goal, to goal, and back to no goal...
• Golden Knights' McNabb plows Ducks' Poehling into the boards for the rare interference major penalty
• Minnesota's McCarron bats it in. Nice try, Mike.
• Vegas goaltender Carter Hart throws off his helmet to get a stoppage after losing a skate blade. He gets the whistle -- and a penalty for delay of game
• Referee Garrett Rank goes up top for a bird's-eye-view of the play.

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On this week's playoff-penalty-filled episode:

• Senators' Grieg gets two
• Montreal's Matheson misses the puck
• Habs’ Demidov may not be to blame for his goaltender interference penalty
• Bruins’ McAvoy is ready for baseball season… and a suspension
• Flyers’ Foerster lowers the hatchet
• Carolina’s Martinook’s self-inflicted high stick
• Why the officials made the right non-call on an icing play that led to the Vegas Golden Knights’ game-winner against the Anaheim Ducks
• Your playoff reminder that officiating ain’t easy, with one liney dumped into the bench and another taking a punch
• Avs’ Burns with a distinct kicking motion right into Kiriil Kaprizov’s crotch
• Philly’s Drysdale interferes on Staal... or is that the other way around?
• Canes’ Brind’amour gets fired up - and penalized - on the bench
• Flyers’ Sanheim boarded by Hurricanes’ Hall: did the refs get it right?

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This week:

• Third jersey rules... and superstitions
• Sens' Greig goes for the sucker-punch
• Pens' Rust hair-pulling Flyers' Martone
• Over the line... or not? Plenty of controversy at Oilers vs. Ducks on a goal-line play with the puck partially obscured by a skate
• Vegas scores twice in OT after their first game-winner came back for an offside
• Bruins' Zadorov get fined for a cross-check during a stoppage... he should've gotten more
• Stars' Benn lowers the lumber on Wild's Ryan Hartman, picking up his fourth fine or suspension in the last five postseasons. He also deserved more for this one.
• Ducks' Kreider gets away with boarding
• Habs' Hutson causes a high stick on himself from Tampa's Point
• Pens' Lizotte goes spearfishing
• Oilers' Hyman with the most distinct kicking motion we've seen all year
• Carolina's Rod Brind'amour offers his thoughts on how the league can improve officiating and cut down on diving and embellishment.

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This week:

• A goal line stop - or was it - at Canes vs. Senators Game 1
• Habs’ Anderson takes out Bolts’ D’Astous and sees his penalty reduced from a major to a minor… and then has his goal wiped out on a stick that was too damn high
• Tampa’s Hagel hits Montreal’s Guhle, resulting in a high stick on Brayden Point. That doesn’t seem fair…
• Goaltender interference at Kings vs. Avalanche
• Mammoth’s Durzi is out there doing head butts
• Strange one at Senators vs. Hurricanes where a penalty shot is awarded for a hook that never happened after a goal is disallowed for an offside zone entry. Did you get all that?
• Down goes Crosby! A career first for Sid the former Kid, picking up an embellishment penalty prior to a faceoff against the Flyers’ Garnet Hathaway
• More chaos at Flyers vs. Pens as Rust and Konecny go at it with unpenalized elbows - and maybe a kick - as the refs break out the riot pads
• Stars’ Benn goes high on an unsuspecting Boldy, picking the head… another accidentally on purpose play from the Dallas captain?
• Carolina’s Hall takes out Ottawa’s Jake Sanderson with an illegal check to the head.

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This week:

• 23,596 penalty minutes... how do you measure a year?
• Liney Steve Barton hangs 'em up
• NHL Stanley Cup Playoff Officiating - how do they pick the officials and how does it work in the postseason?
• A high-sticking penalty review turns into a non-call. It's the right interpretation under the rule book... so is the rule just WRONG?
• Stick fouls abound at Sabres vs. Stars as Radek Faska gets penalized for causing a self-inflicted high-stick
• Jordan Greenway sends Ilya Lyubushkin's stick flying
• Another Colorado Avalanche offside controversy... and we're not sure we agree with the call on this one.

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This week:

• Ben Betker's NHL Refereeing Debut
• McAvoy's flying stick gets two minutes
• High sticking fines for Luostarinen and Strome
• Flyers' Michkov fined for diving
• Learning what is - and is not - goaltender interference at Bruins vs. Canes, after a goal is allowed after contact in the crease and Bussi drops to sell an elbow
• Mammoth's Weegar gets bailed out by the Utah video coach
• Calgary's Zary clearly has a 'distinct kicking motion' but the NHL allows this goal to stand
• Sharks' Askarov flips his net... but the goal still counts

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This week:

• Linesman Brad Kovachik's final NHL game
• Stars' Bichsel steals Karlsson's stick
• Sabres' Thompson penalized after his stick is deflected by Detroit's Edvinsson's follow-through
• Leafs' Domi goes after Ducks' Gudas
• Toronto's Pezzetta called for abuse of officials
• Panthers' Paul Maurice says "STFU"
• Goalie fight! Markstrom vs. Shesterkin
• Panthers' Gregor takes out Sens' Yakemchuk
• Ottawa's Tkachuk takes a slashing penalty from the bench
• Flyers' Marton has rookie run-in with ref
• Jets' Pionk goes low
• Chris Pronger weighs in on Player Safety

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On this week's show:

• Caught in the crossfire as liney Kilian McNamara catches a high stick during a scrum
• Panthers' AJ Grees suspended three games for boarding Flames Connor Zary
• Goaltender interference?! You don't say! Breaking down NHL Situation Room decisions at Penguins vs. Jets, Jackets vs. Islanders, Wild vs. Lightning, and Avalanche vs. Penguins. Looking for consistency here... but will we find it?
• Rangers' Miller breaks Sens' Chabot's arm with a cross-check -- no penalty, no fine
• Ducks' Sennecke gets fined $2000 for diving
• Match penalty but no fine or suspension to Pierre-Luc Dubois for bulldogging Blues' Thomas
• and once again, Tom Wilson is whistled for a questionable hit.

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.

• Pens' Evgeni Malkin gets five games for slashing
• Islanders' Bo Horvat fined $2500 for poking a Shark
• No call, not fine after Isles' Mat Barzal picks Macklin Celebrini of the San Jose Sharks
• It's a wild one at Sabres vs. Lightning with plenty of goals and penalty minutes
• Tampa's Brandon Hagel gets four minutes for a one-sided attack on Buffalo's Rasmus Dahlin; he deserved quite a bit more than that from the refs
• Ducks' Johnston takes out Blues' Holl from behind
• Was it a hand pass? Sens' Pinto deflects the puck with his glove, leading to a goal that held up after a Coach's Challenge
• Mack goes bowling! Avalanche center Nathan MacKinnon gets ejected for running over Oilers goaltender Connor Ingram -- but was it even his fault?

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We'll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was - or wasn't - handed out.