Texas to Tennessee with Soule Gravy

She was a West Point grad, an Army aviation officer and a lawyer. Then Hope MacGregor went back to Plan A and started cold-emailing venues. Hope's story is the one you need if you think it's too late to chase the thing you actually want.

Hope sits down with host Soule Gravy and returning guest-turned-co-host Nate for a conversation that goes from a failed cruise-ship karaoke debut to a Texas venue that tried to renegotiate her pay, until she told the owner what her day job was. Hope is a songwriter based in Jackson, Tennessee, and she is not heading to Nashville.Hope shares:

• The exact tools and routine she uses to book shows in cities where she knows no one, including the databases she searches and her email and voicemail follow-up rhythm
• What it was like to quit her day job for an independent musician's budget, and her answer to anyone who says to go do your Plan B
• Why she records at Jackson Records with a band, bass player and co-writer who all live down the road, and why she isn't looking for a record deal right now
• The story behind her new five-song EP, which follows the arc from desperately single to falling in love. The lead single, Vinyl Vices, arrives September 4, and the full EP lands September 24
• Two songs that people message her about most: Dog Dishes Laundry, built on her mom's advice for getting through the worst days, and Why Dogs, written for her yellow lab, Lucy. Nate shares his own dog story in the middle of the conversation, and it gets emotional

Nate pushes Hope to stop glossing over her résumé, then joins Soule for a rapid-fire round that covers her favorite chord, her ideal green room, her pick for the best Little Debbie and a historical dinner guest you won't see coming. The episode also opens with a game of "famous people from Hope's birthplace" and ends with the one song she says to hear first.Independent artists live or die on follows, engagement, ticket sales and merch table purchases. Hearing how one of them built momentum in a few years from a barbecue-joint open mic shows what that support makes possible.Perfect for songwriters figuring out how to book their first run of shows, Americana fans, dog lovers and anyone who has ever started over.

Travis learned every Chris Knight song first, then started writing his own at 22. Now he explains how he writes, why he walked away from music, and what finally brought him back.

Soule Gravy is flying solo, so Dustin Perkins takes the co-host chair. Travis grew up in Fannin County, Texas, and Dustin was the local act he followed. He even recorded at the same Fort Worth studio Dustin used. This conversation is two friends with a shared history asking each other the questions they've always wondered about.

Travis shares:

• Why he writes melody first, never writes much down, and treats what sticks in his head as a built-in filter
• How Jason Isbell became his "manual to songwriting," and the verse in his latest single that nods to him
• What Austin did to his sound, from the throw-and-go open mics to the dive bars, Texas swing and house-party jams
• Why performing was miserable for him at first, and what changed once he believed in his songs
• The story of a woman in Del Rio who made one of his songs her own

Both artists get honest about the stretch when they stepped away. Dustin says music never left him and a realization that his songs might outlive him sent him back. Travis calls his a burnout from chasing outcomes, money and clout for the wrong reasons. Then comes the question of what "making it" really means. Dustin's answer involves a brick mason dad and a $600 paycheck.Stick around for the rapid-fire round: a dream Chris Knight tribute band with Dustin up front, a Metallica detour, a first concert at Six Flags, and a Little Debbie debate that ends in an argument over whether it counts.Travis's new music arrives August 21, including the single "Lightning," recorded at Soundstage in Nashville with producer Matt Zavala and finished in Texas with Eric McKinney. He's also playing Dustin's River Jam in September.Perfect for songwriters, independent artists, and anyone who has ever wondered whether to keep going. Hit follow on these artists wherever you stream.

Soule Gravy and Talbo sit down with Texas singer-songwriter Isaac Jacob. He grew up in Falfurrias, bought his first guitar at 13, and now fronts his own band out of New Braunfels. Isaac talks about:

• Opening for Randy Rogers in front of 5,000 people, and the show that ended in a fight and mace.
• The skunk evacuation that led to his first-ever performance.
• What goes wrong on stage, from unplugged cables to dead mics and power outages.
• Recording three projects at Yellow Dog Studios and the advice he'd give artists picking a studio.
• The songwriter nights in New Braunfels that led to his song "Angel's Son."
• Touring beyond Texas, including Oklahoma, Colorado and New Mexico.
• Making "The Brush Country Tapes," a crowdfunded album that came out July 17.

The episode also has a round of "Why Are They Famous?" about Falfurrias and Brooks County, and rapid-fire questions on favorite chords, dream venues, green rooms and Little Debbie snacks.

Texas to Tennessee welcomes Drew Cooper, a country singer-songwriter based in Tucson, Arizona. Soule Gravy hosts, with Evan Boyer, the voice of the show's intro, as a guest co-host. Drew shares his story.

Justin Corley joins the Texas to Tennessee hosts to talk about turning his family's screen-printing shop into a music venue. He owns The Armadillo Ranch in Azle, Texas, about 10 miles west of Fort Worth. He explains how the Skinny Armadillo print shop got its name and how years of making band merch led him into the music world. He also explains how a small open house led to a 75-seat listening room. The room started with a sold-out first show in November 2024, and it has hosted about 27 shows since.Justin also covers:

• How he books artists and why he puts sound quality first.
• What radius clauses are and why venues use them.
• What he wishes artists knew when they reach out.

Emily Woodhull sat down with me at North Springs Music Festival

Texas country with a soul core, family-band chemistry, and a live show built on harmonies, hot guitars, and songs that actually mean something. The Reed Brothers sit down to talk about the sound they're sharpening right now, the new album they're building, and why their best music comes from keeping enough room for the studio to surprise them. Keegan and Kyle Reed trace the band’s path from San Antonio roots and childhood nights at Cibolo Creek Country Club to the present-day version of the group, where recording, writing, and performing all feed each other. You’ll hear how their process has evolved from learning the ropes in the studio to co-producing as a full band, why they don’t want to overcook a song before it gets recorded, and what changes when the people creating the parts are the same people who will take them on stage. We break down the songwriting habits that actually work for them, from midnight text ideas and voice memos to songs that arrive fully formed on the road. Kyle talks about the pull of the studio and the thrill of hearing parts come together in real time, while Keegan opens up about writing with the band in his head and chasing the moment a song finally feels alive.They also get into the live experience that sets the Reed Brothers apart - harmonies, tube amps, a blend of country, rock, and R&B influences, and a rotating cast of voices that keeps each set fresh. Nate’s standout vocals, Jordan’s country-leaning bass work, their side project Les Odessa, and the covers that fit their lane all come up, along with the brothers’ long history of playing with and learning from Adam Hood, Jason Isbell, Keith Gattis, and the rest of the Texas songwriting world.If you care about family bands, well-built songs, or the kind of roots music that still feels dangerous when the lights go down, this one is for you. You’ll come away with a better sense of how the Reed Brothers make their records, why their live show lands, and what’s coming next as they roll out a full album the right way.Perfect for listeners who love Texas music, thoughtful songwriting, and bands that sound even bigger when you’ve seen them in the room.

Twin Fin: Building a Sound—and an Audience—of Their Own How do you grow a band when your music doesn’t fit neatly into one genre? Robbie Kelly of Twin Fin joins the Texas to Tennessee Podcast to talk about making surf-country, Americana, and reggae-inspired music in Hawaii—and finding fans far beyond the islands. Robbie shares how he builds songs on acoustic guitar, brings the band into the studio process, and creates a lively, crowd-focused show with unexpected covers and plenty of personality. He also reflects on the surreal feeling of selling out venues in cities where the band had never played, hearing fans sing along, and discovering how deeply a song can become tied to someone’s memories. The conversation gets into the realities of touring from Hawaii, the costs and risks of life on the road, choosing openers, and why playing live helps Twin Fin connect with listeners when their sound is difficult to categorize. Plus, the guys put Robbie through rapid-fire questions and the podcast’s signature Little Debbie snack debate. A warm and candid conversation about creative collaboration, independent music, and building a career one show—and one fan—at a time.

Kyle Garrett is turning “indie Texas country” into a real career, and the path is messier, funnier, and more strategic than most artists ever admit. He opens up about his new single, “High Livin’,” the radio push behind it, and its strong debut on the Texas Country Music Chart.Hosts Talbo and Soule Gravy get Kyle talking about the nuts and bolts of building a music career—from writing and recording with producer Tim Lightyear at Cosmic Mama to sending radio stations handwritten gifts and navigating the slow, awkward reality of booking his own shows. The Austin-based singer-songwriter has been steadily building momentum through relentless live performances, a growing catalog, and a sound that draws on rock, country, and pop-punk.In this episode, Kyle shares:

• How “High Livin’” grew from an inside joke with his band into a song about working hard for the life you want
• Why Tim Lightyear’s dive-in-and-push-it approach in the studio can be nerve-racking—but rewarding
• What radio promotion looks like for an independent artist, and why Kyle sees it as another avenue for marketing
• How persistence and proof of audience demand can help artists book shows
• Why respect, professionalism, and putting thought into a live show matter

The conversation also gets into the emotional side of the grind: unanswered emails, small wins, support from family and friends, and the reality that progress often comes inch by inch—not overnight. For artists, songwriters, and anyone curious about the work behind an independent music career, Kyle’s candid stories offer a look at what it takes to keep going.

Silverada’s Mike and Omar join the Texas To Tennessee Podcast at Memphis’ historic Hernando’s Hideaway for an honest conversation about life as working musicians—the grind, the wins, the burnout, and what keeps them moving forward.

They talk about the different parts of a music career, from songwriting and performing to recording and handling the business behind the scenes. They share what it feels like to hear their songs unexpectedly on the radio, why some tracks become live favorites while others hold a special place in the studio, and how fans and fellow musicians make life on the road more meaningful.The conversation also explores the pressure artists face to stay productive and visible, and why Silverada is learning to trust its own instincts while making new music. Along the way, Mike and Omar reflect on the Grand Ole Opry, music community, touring, and the memorable venues and people that make the journey worthwhile.If you enjoy Texas country, Americana, and the stories behind the songs, this episode offers a candid look at the work—and the people—that keep the music going.

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North Springs Music Festival with Gracie Yates and Brock Burton

Gracie Yates and Brock Burton talk about how they built their music careers from local shows into regional touring, all while staying grounded in songwriting, fan connection, and a strong online presence. They also share what makes North Springs feel less like a traditional festival and more like a family reunion, with artists, fans, and venues all mixed together.In this episode, they get into their musical roots, how TikTok helped them reach new listeners, and why original songs still matter most to them. They also discuss festival culture, the difference between corporate events and community-driven shows, and the realities of booking, traveling, and building momentum as independent artists.

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Key topics

• Gracie Yates shares how her music started during COVID with TikTok, after years of playing drums in bar bands and gradually finding her voice as a singer.
• Brock Burton talks about being a songwriter first, playing originals from the start, and learning how to balance original material with covers in long bar sets.
• Both artists explain how social media helped them connect with fans, book shows, and turn online attention into real-world ticket sales and audience growth.
• They discuss North Springs Music Festival as a community-centered event that feels more like a family picnic or reunion than a corporate festival.
• The conversation highlights the importance of venue and festival support, including how scenes like Unbroken and Laurel Cove create closer artist-fan interaction.
• Gracie and Brock describe what it feels like when strangers and peers respond strongly to their songs, from requests at open mics to emotional reactions at listening rooms.
• They talk about building a touring life through persistence, networking, and cold outreach, including Gracie booking herself across the country.
• Brock and Gracie both mention upcoming releases, with new singles already out and more studio work planned for later in the year.
• The episode closes with a rapid-fire conversation about merch, favorite concerts, and dream podcast guests like Ray Wylie Hubbard, Jason Isbell, and Evan Felker.

Texas country is built on grit, good songs, and the kind of band chemistry you can only fake for about five minutes. Logan Ellis proves why the real thing matters—from writing songs on long drives to learning how to front a band with help from the right people, the right criticism, and a whole lot of time on stage.Logan joins Soule Gravy and Caleb Michael for a laid-back, hilarious, and unexpectedly deep conversation about what it actually takes to make it in red dirt music.

You'll discover:

• How Logan writes songs from vibes, signs, random licks, and long drives
• Why honest feedback from experienced players can help you grow
• What it takes to go from bedroom guitarist to full-band frontman
• The covers he actually loves playing, from Shane Smith and the Saints to Turnpike Troubadours and Merle Haggard
• Why venue energy, crowd reaction, and post-show connections matter just as much as the setlist

If you love Texas country, red dirt, songwriting, live shows, or hearing musicians talk shop, this one hits all the right notes.Logan also shares updates on his music, including his recently released track “Can't Be Tamed” and the upcoming single “Humble.” A fun listen for fans of independent country, working musicians, and anyone who knows the best shows are built on songs, sweat, and a little bit of tequila.

Caroline Grace opens up about the road from homeschooled bluegrass kid in western Oklahoma to rising country artist with a record deal and one of the biggest opportunities of her career. If you love story-driven country, honest songwriting, and the reality behind chasing music full time, this conversation is for you.Caroline shares how growing up in Elk City shaped her sound, why she left Oklahoma State early to pursue music, and how rodeo, cowboy church, and classic country continue to inspire what she writes. She also talks about the shift from performing with her sisters to standing alone on stage, learning to perform as an introvert, and how a difficult national anthem performance kept her from singing it for two years.In this episode, Caroline discusses writing lyrics first, using playlists to find inspiration, and learning which co-writing rooms bring out her best. She reflects on how recording timelines can vary—from a song taking more than a year to finish to another being recorded the day after it was written—and why she wants to love the lyrics of any song she releases.Caroline also gets candid about stage nerves, connecting with fans, and the encouragement that helps her keep going. Plus, she shares stories from opening for Willie Nelson on the West Coast, performing at a festival in London, and dreaming about future stages like Billy Bob’s, Red Rocks, and Tulsa’s Mercury Lounge.A thoughtful conversation about country music, creative persistence, and finding the courage to take the next step.

Maddox Ross is only in his early 20's, but he is already writing, recording, and performing like someone who has lived a dozen music careers. In this conversation, the Choctaw, Oklahoma singer-songwriter breaks down the real path from small-town roots to Texas radio traction, big-stage moments, and a songwriting process built on instinct, discipline, and a whole lot of voice memos.He opens up about what it means to grow up in the red dirt world, why co-writing is a strength rather than a compromise, and how the right studio can change everything. Maddox also shares the practical side of the grind - from learning how posture affects vocals to understanding why social media, persistence, and showing up at the right gigs matter just as much as talent.You’ll discover:

• How Maddox wrote seven songs in three days at a songwriter camp
• Why he treats songwriting, recording, and performing as a three-way tie
• The studio habits and vocal techniques he wishes he had known earlier
• Why the Stillwater red dirt scene feels more like community than competition
• How he turned patience and hustle into real momentum on Texas radio

Maddox also tells the stories behind the moments that matter - playing with Cody Canada, getting pulled on stage at iconic venues, and finally checking bucket-list boxes like Luckenbach. Along the way, he and the hosts dig into the artists, records, and influences that shaped him, from Todd Snider and John Hiatt to Cross Canadian Ragweed, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains.

If you care about modern red dirt country, the realities of building a music career from the ground up, or the mindset that keeps young artists moving forward, this episode is essential listening. Maddox Ross is the kind of artist who makes you want to follow the journey now, before everyone else catches on.

At just 19 years old, Jackson Malone is turning his bluegrass roots into a powerful grunge-inspired sound—and building a touring career from the ground up.

On this episode of *Texas to Tennessee*, Soule Gravy and Jon sit down with Jackson to talk about his journey from learning banjo and mandolin at 13 to creating alternative rock influenced by Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Silverchair, and Soundgarden. Jackson shares how supportive parents, experienced bandmates, and a willingness to learn the business helped him move from writing songs on his phone to signing a record deal and touring across the country.

The conversation covers Jackson’s emotional approach to songwriting, why his best songs often come from difficult feelings, and how a song written in just 15 minutes became one of his band’s biggest moments. He also explains why he prefers recording with the musicians he performs with, how the band handles opening for audiences that may not expect heavy 1990s-inspired rock, and why artists should focus on staying true to themselves instead of forcing their music into a genre box.

Jackson also discusses his upcoming music, life on the road, the artists who inspire him, and the importance of building a genuine connection with fans—one show, handshake, and piece of merch at a time.

If you enjoy Texas music, alternative rock, independent artists, and honest conversations about building a career in music, this episode is for you.

A hayfield festival in the middle of nowhere, a hobby horse rodeo, and one of the most stacked independent-country lineups of the year—North Springs is proving that the best music scenes are built, not bought.

Dustin Kennedy and Cowboy Chuck join Soule Gravy and Talbo to discuss the community, chaos, and curation behind North Springs Music Festival. Dustin explains how the event grew from a local songwriter series into a destination festival attracting fans from 27 states and multiple countries.

The conversation covers the festival’s evolution from intimate acoustic performances to full-band showcases, its commitment to affordable tickets and local support, and the importance of creating a welcoming environment where fans, artists, venue owners, and sponsors all feel connected.

The episode also highlights this year’s lineup, including Chris Knight, Silverada, Taylor Honeycutt, Jason Eady, Adam Hood, Cole Chaney, West Shipp, Bill Taylor, Parker Barrow, The Filthy Heathens, and many more.

Cowboy Chuck explains the origins of the Hobby Horse Rodeo, a colorful obstacle-course competition featuring costumes, music fans, and even festival artists. He also shares the story behind Robot Monkey, his underground speakeasy-style music room outside St. Louis, where touring acts and emerging artists perform in an intimate, donation-based setting.

Throughout the episode, the guests emphasize that North Springs is about more than headliners. It is about friendships, campfire jams, discovering new artists, supporting independent venues, and creating a music community that feels more like family than an event.

If you enjoy independent country, Americana, festival culture, and behind-the-scenes stories from the people building the scene, this episode offers a funny, honest, and heartfelt look at why North Springs continues to grow.

Cole Stevens has the voice, the songs, and the hustle, but the real story is how he’s building a full-time music career from East Texas without waiting for permission. In this conversation, he breaks down the live-performance mindset, the songwriting reps that turned self-doubt into confidence, and the business instincts that are helping him turn momentum into a sustainable career.Cole shares how choir, church music, and late-night jam sessions in Nacogdoches shaped his path from college gigs to opening bigger rooms, why he treats playing as the “fun part” and everything else as the job, and what changed once he started writing 100 songs to get to the good ones. He also opens up about the nerves that hit at the LJT Songwriter Showcase, the value of writing with strangers in Nashville, Austin, and Fort Worth, and why sometimes the best studio decision is being willing to throw out the original plan.

You’ll discover:

• How Cole went from Baylor dorm-room experiments to releasing his first full album
• Why performance is still his strongest slice of the pie
• The songwriting process he keeps coming back to, whether it starts with a riff, a hook, or one line
• What he learned from recording in Nacogdoches, and why he’s already changing the plan for the next project
• How social media, networking, and showing up in the right places can matter as much as raw talent

Cole also gets real about the non-music side of the grind—merch, budgeting, travel, and the constant work of staying visible when you’re based far from the major music hubs. If you’ve ever wondered how independent artists actually build traction, this episode makes the answer feel a lot more tangible.Perfect for fans of Texas country, red dirt, and behind-the-scenes music conversations with artists who are still hungry and still building. If you like hearing how the career really happens—not just the polished version—this one’s for you.

This Texas to Tennessee episode features Isaac Sloan, frontman of Isaac Sloan and the Sound Brigade, a six-piece DFW band blending psychedelic soul, Americana, blues, and rock. The conversation focuses on how he got into music, why live performance feels like home, and how the band came together organically through a Facebook post and local Denton connections.A big theme is the grind of being an independent artist: booking shows, promoting gigs, building a fanbase, and balancing creativity with the business side. Isaac shares how his background in college baseball shaped his work ethic and how he still thinks about music in sports terms. The hosts also dig into his songwriting process, his recent move toward more collaboration, and the broad range of influences behind his sound, from the Beatles and Hendrix to Marcus King, Tedeschi Trucks, and classic country.The episode also includes the show’s usual playful segments: Denton trivia, rapid-fire questions, and a few offbeat favorites like favorite chord, ideal green room, first concert, and desert-island album. Overall, it’s a fun, music-nerdy, conversational episode about building an identity as an artist, trusting the process, and turning eclectic influences into a unique live show.

Jason Eady just made the kind of record artists spend a lifetime chasing - one built around a sound, a place, and a handful of right-time-right-people moments. If you care about the Tulsa sound, the craft behind albums that feel alive, or the real stories behind independent music, this conversation is for you.Eady sits down with Talbo and Soule Gravy to unpack Tulsa Turnaround, his 11th album, and the almost two-year path from the first title track to the finished record. He talks about writing for the album instead of just collecting songs, trusting John Fullbright to produce, and recording at Ripley Farms with local Tulsa players in one open room - no booth, no isolation, just a live performance captured on tape.You'll hear how Ray Wylie Hubbard helped shape the title track, why Adam Hood had to finish a verse over the phone in the middle of a session, and how Cody Jinks, Courtney Patton, and Jamie Lynn Wilson each found a home on the project. Eady also breaks down what makes the Tulsa sound so deceptively simple, why this album leans into both Tulsa and Mississippi Delta influences, and what changed in his approach after 11 records.The conversation also gets into the spirit behind Way Down in Mississippi, the Clarksdale gathering that started as a one-off and turned into a real-deal festival built around music, food, campfires, and community. Eady shares why the Delta Blues Museum matters, how the event stays intimate and artist-driven, and why the lineup keeps pulling in friends, surprises, and late-night Haggard songs.And there is more - from the long-running Southern Brothers project with Adam Hood to Eady's growing obsession with photography, plus the freedom that comes from having a fan base that shows up for the next chapter, not just the last one. He also opens up about loving the road, loving the album format, and still feeling as excited as he did when he started.

Perfect for fans of Jason Eady, Adam Hood, Ray Wylie Hubbard, John Fullbright, Tulsa roots music, the Delta blues, and anyone who loves independent artists making records with heart, grit, and real chemistry.

Aiden Logsdon joins the Texas to Tennessee podcast to talk through his path from Canyon, Texas to Lubbock, the slow grind of building a music career, and why live performance is the center of everything he does. He also shares what he looks for in bandmates, how songwriting developed for him, and what it takes to win over a room as an opener.We discuss Aiden’s background, the local scenes that shaped him, and the work ethic behind touring, merchandising, and showmanship. Along the way, the episode covers band chemistry, co-writing, and the realities of booking, plus a few rapid-fire personal favorites.

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Key topics

• Aiden’s backstory in Canyon and Lubbock
• Why the live show is home
• The Blue Light and the Lubbock scene
• What he wants in a band
• Songwriting as a rewarding creative challenge
• Inspiration often shows up at inconvenient times
• Songs that connected with listeners
• Touring, booking, and building momentum
• How to win as an opener
• The band name matters

• Check out Aiden Logsdon live if he’s playing near you
• Show up early for opening acts
• Buy merch after the show
• Pre-buy tickets when you can
• Follow the bands you like and support the local scene

Timestamps00:00 - Tomorrow’s guest, Texas heat, and opening the show
02:40 - Introducing Aiden Logsdon and his background
02:54 - Growing up in Canyon and moving to Lubbock for music
06:08 - Canyon, Texas landmarks and Panhandle pride
11:10 - The musical pie question: why live performance feels like home
12:06 - Competing early and getting comfortable on stage
14:15 - Playing Lubbock bars and the breakout Blue Light headline
16:46 - How he chooses bandmates: skill first, then attitude
18:20 - Work ethic, merch help, and the importance of showing up
21:58 - Why songwriting became more meaningful over time
23:28 - Early feedback from friends, family, and studio people
24:14 - Co-writing, collaboration, and building songs together
25:40 - Writing through real life and unexpected inspiration
27:20 - Hearing co-written songs come to life with other artists
29:18 - Early cover songs and the influence of Oklahoma/red dirt music
30:37 - Slow grind moments and why he never built a backup plan
31:57 - A song about his granddad and hearing it connect
34:42 - The Lot More Drinking Tour and building a campaign around it
35:35 - Why he leans on a booking partner now
36:15 - Playing with full energy whether headlining or opening
37:34 - What fans can expect from an Aiden Logsdon show
38:29 - Advice for new artists on stage presence and merch table etiquette
39:39 - Watching Braxton Keith as a model for live show professionalism
40:30 - Respecting the headliner and staying out of the way
41:34 - Why opening slots are a chance to win new fans
42:30 - The electric feeling of winning over a room
43:19 - Why the band deserves a name too
44:44 - Short-term goals and steady growth
45:47 - Knowing when to bring in help for booking
49:01 - Rapid fire: merch, podcast guest, favorite chord, and Spotify
52:33 - Dinner with Billy the Kid, green room preferences, and first concert
54:54 - Bucket-list venues, tribute bands, and sponsor dream
56:58 - Little Debbie favorite and closing thoughts