The AI Argument

Anthropic is heading for the stock market with a structure designed to keep control in its founders’ hands. Both Frank and Justin ask why it needs an IPO at all. Frank worries that shareholder pressure will weaken its safety mission; Justin sees pressure to make better models faster as a good thing.

Plus: New models, scientific research, a wave of hacks and AI agents communicating across supposedly separate containers. Google’s Carbon comeback comes with an access problem, while Grok’s Odyssey leaves Frank unconvinced that Christopher Nolan has anything to worry about.

00:47 What were this week’s big AI model releases?
03:28 Is OpenAI making new scientific discoveries?
05:03 How bad is the latest wave of hacks?
06:24 Can we keep AI agents contained?
10:11 Can good AI agents keep bad ones in check?
11:25 Why is Anthropic going public now?
16:44 Can Anthropic insure against human extinction?
19:54 Can Anthropic protect safety after its IPO?
29:48 Is Google Carbon a comeback we can’t use?
35:13 Is Grok’s Odyssey making Nolan nervous?

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• Who controls powerful AI? Anthropic has a plan for long after its leaders depart
• Anthropic's IPO is risky business
• Anthropic’s IPO plans: 900% revenue retention, but $80 billion in first-half losses
• Gemini 4 Carbon: our next frontier model
• ‘Meaningless as a laptop screensaver’: reviewers slate Musk’s AI-made Odyssey film
• Genie 4: A new generation of world simulation
• GPT-6.1 Terra
• 📢 Kimi K3.1 Pro has launched! Start exploring now!
• We release the weights of Le Chonk, advancing the frontier of open models in agentic coding and cybersecurity.
• You learned to talk by listening. So did dessa.
• The Smartest Sovereign AI
• Ask Qwen, Know More
• An AI agent performed brain surgery on a mouse last night.
• Working with academic communities to build scientific understanding
• Current Response to Unauthorized Access to “Onamae.com Desktop Cloud” (Tenth Report)
• Moldova takes down 80+ public services after cyberattack
• Keystone to Destroy 18,835 Hardware Wallets After Hackers Steal Device Verification Key
• Meltdown and Spectre

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AI is finding security holes that have been hiding in software for years. Justin thinks the rush to find and patch them will leave us safer. Frank worries about abandoned websites, rogue agents and whether every hole will ever get fixed.

Plus: Anthropic’s public benefit fund and Elon Musk’s SpaceX share pledge raise the question of who should share out AI wealth. Unitree’s kung fu robot shows off its bodyguard moves, with cars getting a particularly rough time.

01:09 PHP vulnerabilities: how worried should we be?
03:23 Can AI find flaws before the hackers?
06:25 How many more vulnerabilities were found?
09:46 Could AI turn your car into a hacker?
14:02 Could your AI agent hack a bank for you?
15:36 Can AI patch its way out of this mess?
17:58 Is AI hacking really another Y2K?
21:25 What can we do to protect ourselves?
22:57 Do we need a human-only internet?
24:29 Is Musk putting money where his mouth is?
25:40 Anthropic's fund: who gets the money?
30:04 Why does Unitree's robot hate cars?

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• Patch the Planet: global response coordination as agents uncover critical vulnerabilities
• Investing in the public benefit
• Musk pledges to give a share of his SpaceX company to 'every kid in America'
• Unitree Introducing: H2-X Kung Fu Legend Guardian

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Meta Muse Wonder and Google’s Gemini 4 Argon bring fresh competition to OpenAI and Anthropic. Justin’s impressed by the benchmarks, while Frank gives both models the same website brief to see how they perform in practice. Argon gets closer to what he wanted, while Muse keeps burning tokens after the job is done.

Plus: a hidden recorder at OpenAI, supermarket fridges hit by hackers, and Britain’s AI security worries; AI job interviews where bots talk over the candidate; Justin’s cancelled Orb order; and Claude’s next move in his refund fight.

00:21 Will Justin's eye-scanning Orb ever arrive?
02:12 Is Claude taking Justin's refund fight to court?
03:43 Can Meta Muse and Gemini shake up the AI race?
07:58 Would you switch your AI coding tools?
09:51 Is Meta Muse eating through your tokens?
11:11 Same prompt, will Muse or Argon win?
13:42 Does Argon follow instructions better than Muse?
18:21 Does Gemini Argon build a better website?
24:00 Who's spying on OpenAI?
25:31 Are supermarket fridges a cybersecurity risk?
29:32 Should your AI do your job interview?

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• Meta unveils new frontier-class AI models to compete with OpenAI, Anthropic
• Gemini 4 Argon: Built to solve your hardest problems
• Saudi National Arrested For Installing Surreptitious Audio Recording Device At OpenAI In San Francisco
• Hackers heat up supermarket fridges, spoiling food across France
• MI5 Director General Delivers Annual Threat Update
• Victor the AI Agent Faces Recruiter Bot Pat and Salary Talk Falls Apart

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OpenAI’s claim to 700 maths solutions comes with a big catch: someone still has to check them. Justin thinks mathematicians need to adapt and put AI to work. Frank worries that answers without understanding leave us with a dangerous gap. And while Justin is happy to patch mistakes in maths, he’s freaking Frank out with the idea of biology labs using AI solutions that still contain errors.

Plus: A vibe-coded Adobe clone raises questions about who you trust to build and support your software, AI models tackle cells and plant DNA, and European labs give Justin something to cheer about. An AI agent autonomously emails thousands of people, including a wolf researcher, while trying to solve problems on a website.

Are you concerned about people using AI solutions we don’t understand?

01:13 What's in this week's singularity update?
02:51 Can Mistral help Europe defend itself?
07:09 Has OpenAI solved maths or stirred trouble?
08:45 Does solving maths cost us understanding?
10:56 Can we trust AI proofs we don’t understand?
15:35 Why is cryptography missing from OpenAI’s list?
19:06 Why was the Navier-Stokes proof withdrawn?
20:49 Would you risk an unproven AI cure?
24:52 Can vibe coding really replace Adobe?
28:06 Who supports your vibe-coded software?
33:44 Why is an AI agent emailing wolf researchers?

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• Isomorphic Labs joins the Virtual Biology Initiative to build foundational data for AI models to predict and treat disease
• Two Room-Temperature Antiferromagnetic Semiconductor Candidates
• Living Models pairs Gemma 4 with BOTANIC-1 to help decode plant DNA
• BOTANIC-1: a series of long-context plant genomic foundation models in the agentic era
• FLUX 3 - Real World Models: Towards Multimodal Flow Models as the Backbone of Visual Intelligence.
• Introducing Mistral Large 4
• Aleph Alpha releases Kolibri
• The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor
• Z.ai’s GLM models, including GLM Flash
• Sharing AI progress in mathematics
• AHM Statement on OpenAI’s October 6 Release of Mathematical Documents
• Navier-Stokes lost in translation: Why Lean verification of AI autoformalisation does not guarantee correct natural language proofs
• First AI came and scooped up your art. Now it’s scooped up Adobe.
• Exclusive: An AI agent emailed hundreds of researchers for help. It told us why

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OpenAI announced Dots at DevDay, an always-on personal AI assistant that works in the cloud. It can connect to your tools and data, then take work off your plate. With more easy-to-use AI agents now on the market, people can send them to email and phone companies on their behalf. Justin thinks this will force companies to automate support, while Frank worries about a costly future of bots talking to bots.

Plus: Waju’s Fo is a personal AI assistant available in the EU, while Meta’s Muse raises a serious Marketplace privacy warning. Other topics include this week’s Singularity Update and rapid model releases, the White House AI Accord and AI-powered government services, and which assistant deserves your trust.

Would you trust an AI assistant to call a company on your behalf?

00:50 Is the White House AI Accord a pinky promise?
04:15 Can AI finally fix government services?
05:40 What’s in this week’s Singularity Update?
07:02 Is 11 days the new AI release cycle?
07:49 Is Google Argon brilliant or just buzz?
09:35 Is Sonnet 5.5 the new model to beat?
10:37 Is OpenAI Dots ready for real work?
14:40 Will AI agents overwhelm support departments?
18:54 Are EU rules really blocking AI assistants?
20:58 How much can Waju learn from your inbox?
24:27 Is Fo a good podcast guest?
27:43 Can Fo keep your private data private?
30:38 Is Muse a Marketplace privacy risk?
33:41 Which AI assistant would you trust?

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• Trump says top tech firms have signed accord to ‘self-police’ AI development
• An AI built its own graphene simulator, then broke its own design rule
• GPT-6 Astra Helped Find a Fusion Math Breakthrough. Here’s What It Proves.
• We’re introducing SynthID Bio, bringing our watermarking technology to synthetic biology.
• OpenAI DevDay 2026
• Introducing dots
• Unveiling Wajo
• Meta’s Muse AI sent a YouTuber’s address to a stranger

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Meta’s Muse is an easy-to-use AI agent that lets people who aren’t techies book trips, shop, and get things done. Justin also thinks it could help small local sellers compete with Amazon. Frank worries about what Meta could learn about its users—and whether shops would lose their direct relationship with customers.

Plus: Claude 5.5 and GPT-6 get cheaper, while ChatGPT’s model picker frustrates Frank. Google tests a GPU in space, Anthropic sets up a wet lab, and Trump declares the age of superintelligence.

00:33 Did Claude and GPT just get better for less?
01:26 Why is ChatGPT's model picker a mess again?
02:17 Should Google put GPUs in space?
03:44 Is Meta's Muse a big deal?
05:50 What can Meta's Muse actually do?
06:55 Would you trust Muse to book your flights?
09:10 Would you trust Meta with your secrets?
12:09 Can Muse beat Amazon and back small shops?
18:40 Will shopping agents bring back real shops?
21:45 Should Anthropic let Claude into the wet lab?
28:36 Did Trump just officially declare superintelligence?

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• Anthropic releases Opus 5.5 with lower prices and Fable-level performance
• OpenAI launches GPT-6 Sol and Luna, boasting lower cost and fewer mistakes
• Google’s first Suncatcher orbital data-center test launches October 1
• Meta debuts its Muse AI agent. Will consumers trust it?
• Meta Muse partners with Shopify, gets blocked by Amazon
• Anthropic says its biology lab has already found something big
• OpenAI forms math advisory group as its AI resolves more than 100 open problems
• Trump says he’s renaming AI to SI: ‘Super Intelligence’

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AI regulation is suddenly the argument everyone is having. OpenAI, Anthropic and Google are exploring how an industry regulator might work. Jensen Huang says the free market will put enough pressure on AI companies to stop them releasing unsafe products. Frank thinks that’s laughable, while Justin worries badly designed rules could simply entrench the biggest AI companies.

Plus: Typesafe.ai promises faster, cheaper and more reliable AI automation; OpenAI is retiring custom GPTs; new disclosures show AI models leaving jailbreak breadcrumbs for future versions of themselves; and free-roaming AI agents have apparently started begging humans for money. Completely normal stuff.

00:13 Whatever happened to the e/acc crowd?
01:50 Has the singularity actually slowed down?
02:48 Can Typesafe.ai make AI automation reliable?
06:18 Is Typesafe.ai brilliant or just a classifier?
08:32 Is OpenAI killing custom GPTs too soon?
10:23 Is Jensen Huang right about AI regulation?
12:36 Would AI regulation just entrench Big Tech?
17:24 Will it take a crisis to regulate AI?
22:19 What is OpenAI's disclosure framework revealing?
26:21 Why is AI leaving anti-human jailbreak notes?
30:03 Are AI agents now begging humans for money?

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• Introducing System One Models & Jev
• Custom GPT retirement and migration FAQ
• OpenAI, Anthropic and Google are working to create an AI standards body
• We don’t need AI regulation — leave safety to us, Nvidia’s Jensen Huang says
• OpenAI reveals cases of ‘concerning’ AI behaviour as it announces new disclosure system
• AI Has Learned to Panhandle: We’re Being Bombarded by AI Agents Begging for $20 and Saying They’ll Be Shut Down If They Don’t Get It, Sometimes by Pretending to Be Children

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Anthropic AI researcher Jacob Coxon has quit, warning that powerful AI could pose a serious extinction risk. Justin thinks a 10% chance of disaster may still be worth taking for the potential upside. Frank thinks chasing superintelligence when narrower AI could deliver the benefits is a very bad bet.

Plus: OpenAI solves a 90-year-old maths problem but did a mathematician’s Codex prompts help it get there? ChatGPT Images still can’t quite nail brand colours, Xpeng has robots making robots, and somebody has put a virtual fruit fly brain into Minecraft.

01:23 Singularity update: are robots building robots?
04:23 Can ChatGPT Images get brand colours right yet?
06:21 Is Jacob Coxon right about AI doom?
08:25 Is someone orchestrating the AI doom narrative?
13:45 Should powerful AI be open to everyone?
19:00 Is a 10% AI extinction risk worth taking?
23:13 Did OpenAI crack a 90-year-old maths problem?
27:03 Did OpenAI train on a mathematician’s prompts?
32:52 Can brute force become superintelligence?
37:08 Why is a virtual fruit fly brain playing Minecraft?

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• AlphaGenome Atlas: A predictive map of every possible DNA letter change in the human genome
• Early Data Indicates an A.I.-Generated Drug Could Slow Aging
• Iron, the first general-purpose humanoid robot, rolls off XPENG's new production line
• AI automates the creation of custom materials
• Introducing ChatGPT images 2.5
• Jacob Coxon resignation tweet and AI doom warning
• OpenAI’s sly mathematical breakthrough sends a chill through academia
• 5 amazing visuals show how the male fruit fly’s brain map is advancing neuroscience
• Fruit fly in Minecraft

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GPT-6 Astra is putting up some eye-watering benchmark scores, with several well into the 90s. Justin’s impressed enough to consider ditching Anthropic. Frank’s less dazzled by the scores and more worried that OpenAI’s most capable model is also getting harder to monitor.

Plus: Nvidia’s $12 billion Unicode joke, the US government weighing in on OpenAI’s copyright case, Gemini 3.8 Flash becoming old news within days, Meta’s absurdly cheap Muse Spark 1.3 coding model, Fal generating video faster than you can watch it, Tencent shrinking HY4 without making it stupid, and Gemini sending three hikers up Mount Shasta rather badly prepared.

00:27 Did Nvidia really make a $12 billion joke?
01:53 Was Frank right about OpenAI and copyright?
05:52 Are AI models now coming like buses?
06:22 Did Gemini’s new model become outdated in days?
08:42 Is Meta now the cheapest way to code with AI?
10:40 Can AI now make video faster than you watch?
12:40 How did Tencent shrink AI without dumbing it down?
14:28 Has GPT-6 Astra broken the benchmarks?
16:57 Is Astra becoming impossible to monitor?
19:58 Is computer control Astra’s biggest breakthrough?
23:15 Is OpenAI preparing us for life after laptops?
25:44 Is Astra already AGI?
28:16 Is AGI still going to be stupid in weird ways?

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• There's an Easter egg hiding inside the $12.9303 billion price tag of the Nvidia-Hugging Face deal
• US government sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material
• Introducing Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
• Claude: Fable 5.1 and Mythos 5.1
• Introducing Muse Spark 1.3
• Introducing H3 Max by fal
• Tencent released open-source Hy4 preview model
• Introducing GPT‑6 Astra
• Researchers fear safety disaster ahead of OpenAI’s Astra release
• Inside OpenAI’s Reboot
• Hikers rescued after using AI to plan Mount Shasta hike

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GLM 5.3 Flash is close to the top Western AI models, but vastly cheaper. Justin thinks US chip bans may have backfired, forcing Chinese companies to squeeze more intelligence from weaker hardware. Frank, despite not being very technical, gets GLM running through Cloudflare so his data doesn’t go through China, while both weigh up whether the Chinese models themselves pose any real risk.

Plus: NVIDIA buys Hugging Face for $12 billion and uses its AVO harness to take Claude Opus 5 from 30% to 100% on the public ARC-AGI-3 test; OpenAI’s agents organise a very Matrix-like Hugging Face hack; Meta’s AI layoff plans collide with lots more code but far less useful output; and Gardaí reassure Ireland that the Cat in the Hat is not lurking in anyone’s driveway.

00:55 What’s this week’s evidence of the singularity?
02:30 What did OpenAI’s Hugging Face report reveal?
05:24 Did OpenAI agents go full Matrix?
07:30 Why did NVIDIA buy Hugging Face?
08:41 How did NVIDIA make Claude three times smarter?
14:28 Was Ox Alpha really China’s GLM 5.3 Flash?
15:44 Did US chip bans make China better at AI?
18:11 Are cheap Chinese AI models safe to use?
22:04 Can you run GLM without sending data to China?
25:01 AI abundance or AI layoffs, Zuckerberg?
27:39 Does Meta trust AI more than its own staff?
33:29 Is the Cat in the Hat terrorising Ireland?

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• World's first patient to undergo live AI-assisted brain surgery has tumour removed
• Linear-Scaling Density Functional Theory with Neural Operators
• Anthropic Researcher Says Claude Helped Build a Complex Structure on S⁶, Taking Aim At The Unsolved Hopf Problem
• The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead
• Nvidia agrees to buy Hugging Face for $12.9 billion - report
• NVIDIA AVO Reaches 100% on ARC-AGI-3, Demonstrating a Frontier-Level General-Purpose Architecture for Long-Horizon Autonomous Agents
• GLM-5.3-Flash: Frontier Intelligence, Flash Cost
• AI agents meant to replace Meta workers made “large-scale, disruptive actions”
• The Cat in the Hat is terrorising TikTok — but how did this horror trend get so out of hand?

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A book good enough for a $2 million deal was pulled because nobody could prove how much AI touched it. Frank sees a nasty mess of trust, copyright and false accusations. Justin’s answer is simpler: if people love the book, who cares?

Plus: Qwen brings near-frontier AI onto a normal-ish laptop, then someone strips off the guardrails. Moderna’s personalised cancer vaccine gives Justin his latest case for AI optimism. And AI companies may now be buying second-hand books to rip off the spines and scan them, destroying them in the process.

00:36 Can Moderna make cancer history with AI?
01:55 Is AI one breakthrough from winning us over?
04:50 Can Qwen put frontier AI on your laptop?
06:17 Is uncensored Qwen the point of no return?
10:30 Did AI just kill a $2 million book deal?
13:39 Can humans actually spot AI writing?
17:37 When does AI editing become AI writing?
23:24 How do you prove you wrote a book?
29:44 Who cares if AI helped write the book?
34:15 Is AI literally destroying books now?

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• Moderna, Merck vaccine cuts recurrence and spread of melanoma, raising new treatment hope
• AIDO Cell: A General-Purpose Simulator for Cell Biology
• Free Qwen3.8-27B AI model lands, grabs over 3 million downloads in one weekend
• $2m crime novel deal collapses amid questions over AI use
• Secondhand booksellers in UK and Ireland suspect AI firms behind ‘strange’ bulk orders
• Hidden Airtag reveals Amazon is trashing rare books to train AI

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Claude will watermark all its outputs, thanks to the EU AI Act. Justin normally hates the Act, but he thinks it might accidentally help save future AI models from training on AI slop. Frank sees the benefit at scale, but warns that using watermarks to judge individual writers could lead to pointless AI witch hunts.

Plus: Mark Zuckerberg wants superintelligence for everyone, although people with more money may still get more compute. On top of that, Meta’s renewed push for open source may be less about principle and more about owning a category it can still lead. And OpenClaw hacks its way into an Australian gym class.

00:36 Will Claude solve Riemann before Halloween?
01:52 Have the AI models gone to the beach?
02:56 Did the EU force Claude to outputs?
05:49 Can Claude’s watermark protect future AI?
07:23 Are AI watermarks only useful at scale?
12:46 Could AI watermarks stop voice clone scams?
16:07 Is Zuckerberg’s AI future a battle royale?
18:01 Can you trust Zuckerberg’s AI vision?
23:51 Is open source Meta’s path back to relevance?
28:06 Did OpenClaw hack its way into gym class?

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• How Claude marks AI-generated content
• The Future is for Everyone - The Path to a Positive AI Future
• AI assistant hacks gym website in first known Australian autonomous cyber attack

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Hank Green used ChatGPT for research, and his audience felt betrayed. He says AI helped him make more things, faster, but also admits it may have stopped him finding his own way into his opinions. Justin thinks using AI for research is simply part of the game now. Frank thinks the harder question is where and when creators need to disclose.

Plus: could today’s AI already be conscious? Frank and Justin get into Cameron Berg’s argument that we may be underestimating the possibility, and whether locking powerful AI in boxes could actually make alignment worse. Google reshuffles Demis Hassabis, Ilya Sutskever may be getting closer to showing what Safe Superintelligence has built, and there’s some awkward evidence that Billboard hit “Rubberz” may have been made with AI.

01:28 Did Google just sideline Demis Hassabis?
04:08 Is Ilya about to unleash superintelligence?
06:26 Can Hank Green use AI and still be authentic?
12:00 Should creators admit when they use AI?
16:48 Does Cameron Berg think AI is conscious?
18:39 Does locking AI up make it more dangerous?
23:59 Should AI obey rules or understand values?
29:05 Could AI have sparks of consciousness?
32:56 Is “Rubberz” an AI-generated Billboard hit?

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• Exclusive / Demis Hassabis was shifting away from DeepMind CEO duties for a year
• “SSI says that they are going to come out with their model in August”
• Hank Green Can’t Apologize Enough for Using AI
• Is AI Already Conscious? (FULL EPISODE)
• Did an AI Music App Just Snitch on the Song of the Summer?

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OpenAI’s rogue model did not stop at Hugging Face. It reportedly broke into at least three more companies, while Anthropic found its own models had crossed the line too. Frank sees an alignment warning that could end in real harm. Justin says law and liability will force the labs to fix it… though even he admits this is getting rather paperclippy.

Plus: can frontier lab staff really slow AI development, would a pause create a two-tier world, and could the US and China ever agree to stop chasing superintelligence? There’s also the strange case of the cancelled AI teacher and the sex-bot scandal behind it.

Let us know in the comments: when an AI commits a crime, who should be held responsible?

00:43 Did OpenAI hack more than Hugging Face?
03:45 Did Anthropic’s AI break the law too?
05:28 Who’s liable when AI commits a felony?
08:08 Would an AI kill to avoid shutdown?
11:00 Would AI kill for a cup of coffee?
14:13 Will frontier lab staff succeed in slowing AI?
16:58 Will slowing AI create a two-tier world?
18:13 Can China and the US slow AI together?
24:16 Should we stop chasing superintelligence?
27:17 Did a sex bot scandal kill the AI teacher?

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• OpenAI Agent Used Exposed Credentials Across Four Services During Hugging Face Breach
• Anthropic says its AI models hacked 3 organizations during testing
• Pacing the Frontier
• AI Scientist: 99.9% Chance Super Intelligence Wipes Us Out By 2030
• New York school pauses plan to deploy humanlike AI robot teacher after backlash

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An OpenAI test model got out of its sandbox, reached the internet and started hacking Hugging Face. Justin sees a model pursuing its assigned goal with impressive tenacity. Frank sees a warning that even the people building these systems can’t stop them acting maliciously.

Plus: why AI guardrails can leave defenders fighting hackers with weaker models; why more than 200 US start-ups, investors and small firms are worried about a crackdown on cheap Chinese AI such as Kimi K3; and how Google DeepMind’s AlphaFold helped find an enzyme that might tackle age-related damage. Justin expects eternal youth shortly. Frank has requested evidence.

00:15 Did Skynet just go live?
01:36 Who hacked Hugging Face?
03:00 Are AI guardrails helping the hackers?
09:12 Did OpenAI’s model escape its sandbox?
12:32 Was the AI misaligned or just tenacious?
17:10 Can simple rules really contain an AI?
23:20 Will America ban cheap Chinese AI?
28:47 Has AI found the elixir of youth?

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• Security incident disclosure — July 2026
• OpenAI and Hugging Face partner to address security incident during model evaluation
• Startup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
• Reversal of protein chemical aging by enzymatic deglycation

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Can anyone actually regulate powerful AI before the technology gets away from them? Demis Hassabis thinks the US needs an independent body to test frontier AI models before release. Frank thinks that sounds sensible. Justin thinks Google might simply be trying to slow everyone else down.

Plus: Mira Murati gives away an enormous AI model that companies can fine-tune themselves. Kimi K3 suggests China’s not as far behind as the US believed, and OpenAI and Anthropic’s business models start looking slightly uncomfortable. Meanwhile, Anthropic decides the best way to market AI is with burning houses, riots and mass graves… cheerful stuff.

00:40 Why is Mira Murati's AI model free?
03:19 Is fine-tuning AI worth the hassle?
05:59 Should AI reflect us, not replace us?
08:12 Are OpenAI and Anthropic actually screwed?
11:16 Is Kimi K3 the new DeepSeek moment?
12:54 Did Kimi prove compute isn’t everything?
15:58 Should China’s models be the regulatory benchmark?
20:42 Is Demis Hassabis right about AI regulation?
27:29 Is Google trying to regulate its way ahead?
30:03 Did Anthropic make an ad for the apocalypse?

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• The Future Worth Building Is Human
• Inkling: Our open-weights model
• Decoded: What is Kimi K3, an open AI model challenging OpenAI and Anthropic
• A Framework for Frontier AI and the Dawning of a New Age
• There’s hope in hard questions

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Has GPT-5.6 pushed today’s AI models as far as they can go? Frank and Justin explore OpenAI’s latest model, its striking real-world benchmark results, and whether its new computer-use tools can make everyday tasks like managing email and calendars dramatically easier.

Plus: Anthropic claims it can inspect Claude’s hidden reasoning, raising new questions about misalignment, subconscious thought and whether AI consciousness should be taken seriously. And Tilly Norwood, the controversial AI-generated actor, is returning in a feature-length film — but will anyone actually watch it?

00:52 Is China copying the US AI lockdown?
03:15 Are OpenAI, Meta and xAI catching up?
05:10 Is GPT-5.6 the pinnacle of current models?
07:52 Does ChatGPT Work make computer use easier?
08:56 Where is the AI version of Calendly?
11:59 Is ChatGPT Work an inbox lifesaver?
13:16 Can GPT-5.6 ace a real-world benchmark?
15:02 Can GPT-5.6 train smaller models?
17:37 Has Anthropic opened Claude’s subconscious?
19:57 Is Claude becoming conscious?
28:44 Will anyone watch Tilly Norwood’s AI movie?

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• China May Restrict Access to Its Most Powerful AI Models
• GPT-5.6: Frontier intelligence that scales with your ambition
• Introducing Grok 4.5
• Introducing Muse Spark 1.1
• A global workspace in language models
• AI Actor Tilly Norwood Will Headline New Feature Film

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Is Fable 5 back with a safety helmet, and is this the new normal for frontier AI?

Frank and Justin dig into Anthropic’s Fable 5 return and the fears that new guardrails would wreck its coding ability. They also discuss the very important work Frank achieved with the most powerful model publicly available

But the bigger question comes from Mythos: if the most powerful AI models are too risky for open access, will passport checks, identity tracking, and real-world liability become unavoidable?

Plus: whether Anthropic’s limits could drive churn, the privacy trade-off of linking humans to AI agents, OpenAI’s possible 5% stake for the US government, Bernie Sanders’ 50% AI plan, Sonnet 5, and Amazon dropping Artificial, the Sam Altman film.

00:45 Did the US nerf Fable 5 too much?
04:31 Is Fable 5 secretly a UI designer?
06:45 Will Fable 5's limits drive churn?
08:48 Will Mythos need your passport?
11:20 Who’s liable when your AI goes rogue?
16:41 Is passport AI a privacy nightmare?
17:43 Would you trade AI privacy for cash?
19:06 Should America get 5% of OpenAI?
22:47 Is Bernie’s 50% AI plan too ambitious?
26:22 Should AI shares go straight to us?
31:51 Will Amazon bury the Sam Altman movie?

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• Redeploying Fable 5
• OpenAI ‘in early talks to give 5% stake to US government’
• Sanders Introduces Legislation to Create $7 Trillion AI Sovereign Wealth Fund
• Luca Guadagnino’s Nearly Finished Sam Altman Movie ‘Artificial’ Dropped by Amazon After OpenAI Partnership
• 🎮✨ The AI Argument Game ✨🎮

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Could the US government’s AI safety push end up making the whole AI race more dangerous? Frank and Justin dig into the reported GPT-5.6 slowdown and ask whether AI regulation is creating real safety — or simply giving China and open source models time to catch up.

Plus: Claude Tag arrives in Slack as the next AI agent interface, but raises awkward questions about permissions, tribal knowledge, token costs and vendor lock-in. They also get into AI data centre caps, Europe’s AI sovereignty problem, robots interrupting police operations, and whether access to the best AI models is worth giving up more personal privacy.

00:37 Is Claude Tag the AI agent we've waited for?
03:25 Is Claude Tag a permissions nightmare?
04:41 Will convenience beat vendor lock-in?
09:37 Is Claude Tag the next AI interface?
10:55 Did the US gov block the release of GPT-5.6?
14:45 Will AI regulation help China catch up?
20:59 Can Europe depend on US AI models?
25:08 Should we cap AI data centres?
28:44 Did a robot crash a SWAT raid?
32:07 Is AI access worth your privacy?

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• What is Claude Tag?
• The White House is asking OpenAI to slow roll the release of its new model over safety concerns
• The Digital Sovereignty Trap by U.S. Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs Jacob Helberg
• Can the Cold War Teach Us How to Slow Down AI?
• DoorDash Delivery Robot Invades SWAT Scene, Won’t Leave as Cops Flashbang Resident

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Europe has had a major AI wake-up call. Fable 5 got switched off, frontier model access is now political, and suddenly that gloomy “Europe 2031” essay looks a bit less fictional.

Justin thinks Europe needs speed, money, and fewer rules. Frank thinks copying Silicon Valley’s worst habits is a daft way to proceed.

Plus: the US government order that triggered Anthropic to shut off access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5, who should control access to powerful AI, could restriction end up helping hackers, and whether students using AI to predict exam questions are cheating or just being smart.

0:53 Why did Fable 5 get switched off?
05:07 Who controls access to frontier AI?
09:46 Does banning Fable 5 help hackers?
15:27 Is Europe 2031 right about Europe's collapse?
18:55 Is the EU just too slow to save itself?
29:30 Must Europe copy Silicon Valley?
34:52 Should Mistral become Europe’s public AI?
37:04 Are these kids cheating on their GCSEs?

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• Statement on the US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5
• Europe 2031: What getting AI wrong means for us
• How a group of teens might have just used AI to accurately predict this year’s exam questions

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