The Business of Dance

Recorded on October 18, 2026.

EPISODE SUMMARY

Nate Fadear joins Menina Fortunato to explore what it takes to build a dance career that keeps evolving. A Canadian choreographer, performer, educator, adjudicator, and host, Nate shares his journey from a small-town studio in Salmon Arm to the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games Opening Ceremonies, Princess Cruises, television sets, and animated Barbie films.

Starting dance at 12, Nate found confidence through teachers and industry professionals who believed in him. He explains how teaching helped support his move to Vancouver, how cruise ship contracts sharpened his versatility, and why relationships formed early in your career can lead to opportunities years later. He also shares what changes when you move from live performance to the unpredictable pace of film and television.

The conversation takes an emotional turn as Nate reflects on two Achilles ruptures and the challenge of reimagining his identity when performing became difficult. Through choreography, adjudicating, teaching, and creating his own shows, he discovered new ways to contribute to the industry he loves.

This episode is for aspiring professional dancers, dance parents, and working artists navigating change. From motion capture to building demo reel material and choosing classes intentionally, Nate offers a reminder that a meaningful career in dance can take more than one shape.

SHOW NOTES

(00:00) – Welcome to The Business of Dance
(00:50) – Meet Nate Fadear and his career highlights
(03:01) – Small-town beginnings and starting dance at 12
(06:14) – The Olympic opportunity that changed his direction
(09:39) – Moving to Vancouver and earning through teaching
(12:18) – Princess Cruises and learning on the job
(20:05) – Transitioning from live shows to film and television
(25:06) – Nate’s experience with union and non-union work
(29:11) – Achilles injuries, identity, and finding another path
(34:31) – Creating opportunities beyond performing
(39:31) – Barbie choreography and the motion-capture process
(44:40) – Dancer Q&A: screen work, auditions, and experience
(50:34) – Choosing classes and building connections with intention
(54:49) – Staying curious and showing up authentically

ABOUT NATE FADEAR

Nate Fadear is a Canadian choreographer, educator, performer, adjudicator, and host based in Vancouver, British Columbia. His career spans film and television, live performance, commercial projects, conventions, competitions, and dance education. His performance credits include the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games Opening Ceremonies, three contracts with Princess Cruises, Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist, Riverdale, The Flash, and Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies.

As a choreographer, Nate has created work for recording artists and commercial clients including Dear Rouge, HomeGoods, Lenovo, and Mattel. His Mattel credits include Barbie Mermaid Power, Barbie & Stacie to the Rescue, and Barbie & Teresa: Recipe for Friendship. Beyond performing and choreographing, he brings more than 15 years of experience to teaching, adjudicating, and hosting. A certified yoga instructor, he incorporates movement, breath, and body awareness into his approach to dance education. His work reflects a commitment to versatility, connection, and helping dancers see the possibilities within a lasting career.

CONNECT WITH NATE FADEAR

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/natefadear/

CONNECT WITH THE BUSINESS OF DANCE

Website: https://www.bizofdance.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebizofdance/

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Recorded October 11, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY

Paul Kirkland is a dancer, choreographer, creative director and director whose career includes touring with Madonna and Christina Aguilera, performing in Burlesque and Battle of the Year, and working behind the scenes with the Backstreet Boys. Originally from Jacksonville, Florida, Paul moved to Los Angeles at 18 and built a career that expanded from performing onstage to helping shape major productions. In this conversation with Menina Fortunato, he shares how preparation, relationships and a willingness to keep learning opened doors.

Paul takes us inside life on tour, from performing for massive crowds to protecting his body and maintaining relationships while constantly traveling. He explains how a back injury helped prompt his transition into assisting choreographers and learning the details of lighting, staging and production. He also discusses his work on the Backstreet Boys’ DNA tour and Sphere production, plus helping Jaafar Jackson prepare for Michael through ballet and recovery training.

Beyond the credits, Paul opens up about rejection, reinvention and finding opportunities beyond performing. Answering questions from Business of Dance mentees, he shares advice on moving to LA, developing an individual movement style, presenting your work online and adapting your performance for the camera. His story offers dancers an honest look at building a lasting career through curiosity, adaptability and meaningful connections.

SHOW NOTES

(03:09) Starting dance at three and building a foundation in ballet
(04:18) How one audition led to an unexpected first tour
(07:40) Working with Christina Aguilera and touring with Madonna
(10:32) The excitement of touring and performing for massive audiences
(11:57) Protecting your body and making the most of downtime
(13:38) Pivoting from performing to choreography and production
(16:17) Working with the Backstreet Boys and wearing multiple production hats
(17:18) Inside the Backstreet Boys’ immersive Sphere experience
(21:35) Training Jaafar Jackson in ballet and recovery for Michael
(26:01) Handling the disappointment of being released from a film scene
(33:31) Moving to LA young and showing up with confidence
(35:44) Developing your own movement style beyond studio training
(39:25) How social media, agencies and casting platforms help dancers get seen
(41:38) Creating a digital portfolio that makes your work easy to share
(43:06) Adapting your performance from the live stage to the camera

ABOUT PAUL KIRKLAND

Paul Kirkland is a Los Angeles–based dancer, choreographer, creative director and director originally from Jacksonville, Florida. He began dancing at three and moved to LA at 18 to pursue a professional career. His credits include touring with Madonna and Christina Aguilera, performing in Burlesque and Battle of the Year, and choreographing performances for Dancing with the Stars. His work has expanded into production, stage direction and artist development.

CONNECT WITH PAUL

Instagram: @paulkirklandcreative

Recorded October 4, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY

Misha Gabriel is a dancer, choreographer and actor whose career includes working with Janet Jackson and Mariah Carey, rehearsing for Michael Jackson’s This Is It, contributing choreography to Justin Timberlake’s tours, and playing Eddy in Step Up Revolution and Step Up All In. But behind those credits are cancelled tours, devastating rejection and moments when his next chapter was anything but certain. In this conversation with Menina Fortunato, Misha shares what it takes to keep building a career when the opportunities you worked for disappear.

From booking his first tour at 16 to moving to Los Angeles at 17, Misha reveals how training, mentorship and relationships opened doors. He takes us inside the Michael Jackson audition where he was cut, the unexpected second chance that changed his life, and the lessons he learned rehearsing for This Is It. He also opens up about transitioning into acting and creating a European teaching tour instead of waiting for someone else to hire him.

The conversation goes beyond the highlight reel, exploring intentional training, genuine networking, financial preparation and finding your own creative voice. Misha also answers questions from Business of Dance mentees about representation, choreography, moving to LA and handling the emotional highs and lows of the industry. This episode is for dancers, aspiring choreographers and parents who want an honest look at building a sustainable career while protecting the love of dance that started it all.

SHOW NOTES

(02:45) Growing up in a dance family and discovering hip-hop
(05:45) Booking Aaron Carter’s tour at 16 and moving to LA
(11:33) Choreographing for Justin Timberlake and clarifying his touring credits
(12:36) Working with Janet Jackson and navigating cancelled tours
(17:24) Getting cut from Michael Jackson’s audition, then earning another chance
(22:34) Rehearsing This Is It and rebuilding after Michael’s passing
(26:04) Lessons from Michael Jackson’s preparation, knowledge and attention to detail
(29:39) Landing Step Up Revolution and pursuing an acting career
(33:42) Choreographing for the Sacramento Kings and building a teaching tour
(36:43) Creating opportunities through outreach and treating dance as a business
(38:54) Building genuine relationships, staying connected and leading with value
(48:14) Trusting your creative instincts and finding your choreographic voice
(52:08) Training intentionally and preparing for a move to Los Angeles
(1:03:46) Choreographing for So You Think You Can Dance and handling criticism
(1:09:39) Navigating rejection without tying your happiness to career achievements

ABOUT MISHA GABRIEL

Misha Gabriel is a professional dancer, choreographer, actor and educator. His work includes performing with Janet Jackson and Mariah Carey, rehearsing for Michael Jackson’s This Is It, and portraying Eddy in Step Up Revolution and Step Up All In. His choreography credits include contributions to Justin Timberlake’s tours and So You Think You Can Dance. He also teaches internationally, helping dancers develop their artistry and professional skills.

CONNECT WITH MISHA

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mishagabriel/

Recorded August 3, 2026 | The Business of Dance VIP Day, Los Angeles

EPISODE SUMMARY

Tina Landon and Travis Payne helped create the choreography for Michael and Janet Jackson’s “Scream.” In this live conversation with Menina Fortunato, the award-winning choreographers reunite to share two very different perspectives on the same iconic project—and the career lessons behind it. Recorded at The Business of Dance VIP Day in Los Angeles, this episode brings dancers into the room with two artists whose work has shaped music videos and world tours.

Tina traces her journey from Lancaster, California, to working with Janet Jackson, while Travis shares how his training in Atlanta and a homemade audition video opened the door to Rhythm Nation. Together, they revisit the pressure of creating for Michael and Janet: different movement styles, separate rehearsals, changing production demands, and the challenge of making the choreography feel right for both performers. Their stories reveal how much collaboration, preparation, and adaptability happen before the cameras roll.

The conversation then opens to questions from Business of Dance mentees about career longevity, saving money, artistic identity, and what makes a dancer someone choreographers want to hire again. From attitude and reputation to arriving prepared and continuing to learn, Tina and Travis offer practical lessons for aspiring professional dancers, working performers, and choreographers building careers that last.

SHOW NOTES

00:00 – Preview: dancing with Michael and Janet Jackson
02:46 – Menina welcomes Tina Landon and Travis Payne
07:26 – Tina’s beginnings and her path to Janet Jackson
10:12 – Travis’s journey from Atlanta to Rhythm Nation
16:29 – Creating “Scream”: Tina’s side of the story
23:32 – Choreographing for Michael and Janet’s different styles
26:32 – Travis’s path from Dangerous to “Scream”
30:13 – Separate rehearsals and the secrecy surrounding “Scream”
36:41 – Last-minute sets and the realities of production
42:42 – Why “Scream” continues to connect across generations
46:00 – Mentee Q&A: money and building a dance career
51:33 – Staying true to yourself for a lasting career
1:00:00 – What makes a dancer someone choreographers will hire?
1:02:44 – The qualities that earn repeat bookings
1:06:37 – Advice for dancers who want to choreograph

ABOUT TINA LANDON & TRAVIS PAYNE

Tina Landon is an Emmy-nominated choreographer and creative director whose credits include Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Rihanna, Ricky Martin, and Christina Aguilera. Her work includes Janet’s janet. and The Velvet Rope tours and co-choreography for “Scream.” Raised in Lancaster, California, she moved to Hollywood to pursue dance, performed as a Laker Girl, and appeared in Michael Jackson’s “Smooth Criminal.” She continues to share her experience with dancers navigating professional careers.

Travis Payne is an Emmy-nominated choreographer and director who began touring with Janet Jackson’s Rhythm Nation 1814 World Tour. His extensive work with Michael Jackson includes the Dangerous and HIStory tours, “Scream,” and This Is It. His collaborators also include Lady Gaga, Beyoncé, and Usher. The founder of Travis Payne Productions, he has earned MTV and American Choreography Awards for his work. His career spans live performance, music videos, concert production, and film, bringing a broad perspective to developing and sustaining a career in entertainment.

CONNECT WITH TINA LANDON
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamtinalandon/

CONNECT WITH TRAVIS PAYNE
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travispayne1/
Website: https://www.travispayne.com

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Recorded September 20, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY

Chad Geiger, a Los Angeles talent agent with The Movement Talent Agency, joins Menina Fortunato to explain what helps dancers get noticed, earn representation, and build lasting careers. Drawing on his own work with Dua Lipa, Dolly Parton, and James Corden, he shares what he understands now from the other side of the audition table—and what he wishes he had done differently as a performer.

Chad traces his unexpected path from gymnastics in Texas to dance classes in college, professional work in Los Angeles, and an agency internship during the pandemic. He recalls how following directions helped him book a Dua Lipa music video and how embracing his personality changed his approach to auditions. He also explains why training with intention means seeking growth, building relationships, and getting into rooms with working professionals.

The conversation turns to the business habits that support a dance career: clear communication, updated materials, availability, and a reputation for reliability. In a mentee Q&A, Chad discusses agency submissions, dance footage, specialty skills, working outside major markets, and the patience needed to develop a career. This episode is perfect for aspiring professional dancers, dancers seeking an agent, and represented performers who want a stronger partnership with their agency.

SHOW NOTES

(00:00) – Introducing Chad Geiger and his dance career

(02:10) – From Dallas gymnastics to discovering dance in college

(06:59) – Booking Dua Lipa and embracing your individuality

(13:18) – Training with intention and building industry relationships

(18:22) – From MTA dancer and intern to talent agent

(27:00) – Agent communication, updated materials, and book-out dates

(36:00) – Building a strong agency submission and dance reel

(42:19) – Understanding opportunities at a boutique talent agency

(46:47) – Seeking representation while living outside major markets

(52:38) – Using tap skills to create a distinctive career

(54:24) – Professional habits that help dancers get booked again

(56:52) – Submission timing, referrals, and making a strong impression

(66:15) – Patience and building a professional career over time

(69:02) – Why reply-all matters when communicating about jobs

(73:42) – How to connect with Chad and MTA

ABOUT CHAD GEIGER

Chad Geiger is a Los Angeles-based talent agent with The Movement Talent Agency and has more than a decade of experience in the dance industry. As a performer, he worked with Dua Lipa, James Corden, Dolly Parton, Meek Mill, and Miguel, with appearances on Carpool Karaoke, The Late Late Show with James Corden, and the BET Awards.

Originally from the Dallas area, Chad trained as a gymnast before discovering dance in college. After building experience in Texas, he moved to Los Angeles and signed with MTA as a dancer. An internship during the pandemic later led to an assistant position and, eventually, a move into talent representation. Having experienced the industry as both a dancer and an agent, Chad is passionate about helping the next generation prepare for professional opportunities. His approach emphasizes intentional training, clear communication, strong submission materials, and helping dancers recognize and develop the qualities that make them distinctive.

CONNECT WITH CHAD GEIGER

Instagram: @chad_geiger

Instagram: @mtaagency

Recording / Interview Date: October 20, 2025

EPISODE SUMMARY

What helps a dancer build a career that lasts? Join Menina Fortunato on the red carpet at Avalon Hollywood for the 2025 Industry Dance Awards, where conversations with performers, choreographers, educators, and industry leaders go beyond the spotlight to explore the work, relationships, and resilience behind a life in dance.

From embracing your individuality to asking for help and protecting your reputation, this special episode brings together practical lessons for dancers, parents, teachers, and dance-industry professionals. Guests reflect on setbacks, creative opportunities, social media, and the importance of being someone others want to work with. Ian Eastwood champions uniqueness, Travis Wall speaks about seeking support, and Denise Wall shares perspective on learning through challenges.

At the heart of the evening is Dancers Against Cancer. Tia Stokes, Jocelyn Basham, and Noah Lands bring the conversation back to community, compassion, and supporting dance families affected by cancer. Alongside career advice and personal stories, these interviews capture the projects and priorities guests shared on the night of the event.

Whether you work in dance or simply love the art form, step behind the awards for an honest look at what sustains this community: purposeful work, human connection, and the courage to keep growing.

SHOW NOTES

00:00 Red carpet highlights and welcome

01:59 Tia Stokes: Authenticity and resilience

03:31 Jocelyn Basham: The power of human connection

07:09 Enola Bédard: Enjoying the journey

12:40 Protecting yourself as an artist

15:10 Travis Wall: The courage to ask for help

18:03 Noah Lands: The story behind Dancers Against Cancer

22:29 Denise Wall: Learning from setbacks

32:04 Why your reputation matters

32:59 Brooke Lipton: Dance and television

45:24 Social media as your future résumé

47:15 Ian Eastwood: Embracing your individuality

54:38 Blake McGrath: Family and purpose

1:03:37 Building a lasting dance career

1:10:55 Bringing character to your movement

ABOUT INDUSTRY DANCE AWARDS

The Industry Dance Awards celebrates the people shaping dance and supports Dancers Against Cancer. This red carpet special brings together artists, educators, and advocates to share career lessons and highlight the importance of supporting dance families affected by cancer.

CONNECT WITH INDUSTRY DANCE AWARDS & DANCERS AGAINST CANCER

Industry Dance Awards: https://www.industrydanceawards.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/industrydanceawards/

Dancers Against Cancer: https://imadanceragainstcancer.org

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/imadanceragainstcancer/

The Business of Dance: https://www.bizofdance.com/thepodcast

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Interview Date: September 13, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY

Vancouver-born dancer, choreographer, and teacher Travis Lim joins Menina Fortunato to share his journey from childhood competitions and Michael Jackson-inspired solos to UCLA and professional dance work in Los Angeles. With credits including Lisa of BLACKPINK and Hollywood Arts, Travis offers an honest look at the artistic growth, relationships, and practical skills involved in building a career beyond the competition stage.

Travis reflects on the value of his UCLA dance education while explaining what it did not teach him about the business of working professionally. He discusses his family’s investment of approximately $400,000 CAD and the difference between developing as an artist and preparing to earn a living. The conversation also explores how he uses AI in his creative work, moves through perfectionism and comparison, and approaches projects with curiosity and a willingness to keep learning.

During the dancer Q&A, Travis shares his perspective on networking, direct bookings, choosing an agency, communicating with agents, and showing up confidently in auditions. He also discusses developing an individual style, making choices about competition and professional work, and finding time to recover. This episode is perfect for aspiring professional dancers, dance parents weighing college options, and competition dancers ready to understand what comes next.

SHOW NOTES

• (00:51) – Introducing Travis Lim and his journey into professional dance
• (03:44) – Childhood training, early competitions, and Michael Jackson’s influence
• (07:29) – Moving to Los Angeles and choosing UCLA for dance
• (13:43) – What his dance degree did not teach about the industry
• (17:48) – Reflecting on a $400,000 CAD education investment
• (22:01) – Using AI to support creative work and organize ideas
• (28:46) – Working through perfectionism, comparison, and hesitation to create
• (34:36) – Dancing with Lisa of BLACKPINK and learning from her professionalism
• (36:28) – Behind the scenes of A Week Away and Hollywood Arts
• (42:49) – Why networking and relationships matter for direct bookings
• (45:59) – Choosing MSA and building communication with your agents
• (50:49) – Standing out in auditions with confidence and personal strengths
• (52:50) – Developing your own style while learning from other dancers
• (59:24) – Weighing competition dance against a growing professional career
• (62:36) – Recovery, downtime, and maintaining a life outside dance

ABOUT TRAVIS LIM

Travis Lim is a professional dancer, choreographer, artist, and teacher from Vancouver, Canada, based in Los Angeles. He began as a competitive dancer and freestyler, earning international recognition through the competition circuit and appearances on NBC’s World of Dance and Canada’s Got Talent. He moved to Los Angeles to attend UCLA, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts in Dance before continuing to build his professional career.

His film and television experience includes Hollywood Arts, A Week Away: The Series, and Lego Friends: The Musical with Kenny Ortega. Travis has also danced with artists including Lisa of BLACKPINK, Victoria Justice, Machine Gun Kelly, DPR IAN, Paris Hilton, and AJ McLean. Alongside his professional work, he teaches and shares his approach to training, choreography, and artistic development. Drawing on his background in freestyle, crew training, and choreography, he encourages dancers to develop their individuality while continuing to learn from different styles and experiences.

CONNECT WITH TRAVIS LIM

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travylim/
• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@travylim

Interview Date: August 30, 2026

Episode Summary

In Episode 149 of The Business of Dance Podcast, host Menina Fortunato sits down with Los Angeles-based choreographer, movement director, and performer Noelle Marsh. Noelle traces her path from a small dance studio in North Carolina to the world stage, beginning with dance at age three, competing nationally, and appearing on So You Think You Can Dance, which became her gateway into the industry. She opens up about assisting Mia Michaels, being mentored by Brian Friedman, and choreographing and later performing alongside Tate McRae. Noelle also shares what it was like dancing in the Thriller sequence of the Michael Jackson biopic and the emotional weight of stepping into that legacy. The conversation explores her transition from performer to creative lead, moving fluidly between dancing and choreography, the fear and freedom of rejection, and why she believes people feel your thoughts more than your words. The episode closes with a mentee Q&A about authenticity, standing out in the room, building connections, and navigating today's social-media-driven industry.

Shownotes

• 00:50 – Introducing guest Noelle Marsh
• 03:10 – Growing up dancing in small-town North Carolina
• 04:33 – Getting the call to assist Mia Michaels
• 07:00 – Moving to Los Angeles with no plan and no backup
• 10:33 – First booking: the Oscars with Adam Shankman
• 12:42 – Building a relationship with Brian Friedman
• 15:07 – Choreographing and later dancing for Tate McRae
• 19:20 – Dancing in the Thriller sequence of the Michael Jackson biopic
• 24:04 – Transitioning from performer to choreographer
• 27:00 – Winning Every Single Step and gaining creative confidence
• 29:48 – Balancing dancing and choreography today
• 32:37 – Authenticity, thoughts over words, and reframing rejection
• 36:56 – Mentee Q&A: connections, standing out, and social media's role today

Biography

Noelle Marsh is a Los Angeles-based choreographer, movement director, and performer whose career moves across contemporary dance, pop culture, film, television, and brand work. After growing up in North Carolina, she appeared on So You Think You Can Dance, assisted Mia Michaels, and became part of the original company of Shaping Sound.

As a performer, Noelle has worked with artists including Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Jennifer Lopez, Dua Lipa, Tate McRae, Halsey, Mariah Carey, Gwen Stefani, and Katy Perry. Her choreography and movement-direction work includes projects for Tate McRae, The Voice, and campaigns for Bose, McDonald's, Motorola, and DSW.

Connect with Noelle

Instagram — @noellemarsh

Interview Date: February 15, 2026

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with New York City-based dancer and content creator Melissa Becraft to unpack the persistence, creativity, and unexpected opportunities behind her career. Melissa shares how she started dancing at 12, moved from South Carolina to New York City at 18, and spent four years auditioning while booking only one professional dance job before finally landing a spot with the NBA Brooklynettes. That opportunity became a major turning point, leading to six seasons with the team, including four as captain.

When the pandemic paused live performances, Melissa turned to social media as a creative outlet. What began as a TikTok account with zero followers quickly exploded, reaching 950,000 followers in eight months. She shares how recreating movie scenes, music videos, characters, and decades helped her build a recognizable creative identity and eventually turn dance content into a viable business through brand partnerships. She also gets candid about influencer rates, from early $500 videos to a $35,000 short-form campaign, while comparing the earning potential of content creation to traditional professional dance jobs.

Throughout the episode and mentee Q&A, Melissa offers practical advice on confidence, versatility, performance quality, audition preparation, social media safety, time management, and overcoming comparison. Her story is a reminder that success rarely happens overnight—and that dancers do not have to be the “best” person in the room to build a thriving career.

SHOW NOTES

02:47 – Melissa’s dance journey from South Carolina
03:28 – Moving to New York at eighteen
04:40 – Four years of auditions and rejection
06:20 – Auditioning for the NBA Brooklynettes
07:05 – Six seasons and becoming team captain
09:08 – Pandemic sparks Melissa’s social media journey
10:48 – Reaching 950,000 followers in eight months
13:31 – Turning social media into paid partnerships
15:45 – Breaking down influencer income potential
18:10 – Performing with BLACKPINK at the VMAs
21:07 – Q&A: Building confidence and overcoming comparison
24:32 – Q&A: Why tricks don’t define dancers
29:22 – Q&A: Creating safe, professional dance content
33:26 – Q&A: Performance quality that books jobs
39:08 – Turning your dancing into a business

ABOUT MELISSA

Melissa Becraft is a dancer and content creator based in New York City. She began her career with the NBA Brooklynettes, later becoming captain and choreographer. Her credits include the VMAs with BLACKPINK, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, and HBO’s Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. She has built an audience of more than 3.5 million followers across TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube and created dance content for Disney, Prime Video, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, and Kate Spade.

CONNECT WITH MELISSA

Instagram — @melissabecraft

Interview Date: August 16th

Episode Summary:

In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with Los Angeles-based performer, choreographer, acrobat, and educator Joey Vice to explore the unconventional path that took him from a young competitive dancer in Ohio to performing his dream role with Cirque du Soleil. Joey shares how he transitioned from soccer to dance, developed a strong technical foundation in ballet and jazz, and independently expanded into contemporary and acro. By 12, he had already set his sights on Cirque, studying its artists, training methods, and performance style in preparation for the career he wanted.

That preparation paid off when Cirque du Soleil contacted Joey at just 18 years old and ultimately cast him in KOOZA. He opens up about the elaborate makeup process, the physical demands of touring, performing up to 10 shows per week, and developing the acting, improvisation, stamina, and versatility required of a Cirque artist. After two years on tour, Joey chose to step away from his childhood dream job to explore the broader dance industry and eventually relocated to Los Angeles.

Joey also takes listeners behind the scenes of his transition into television and commercial work, including being discovered through social media for BalletRED and appearing on Netflix’s Star Search. During the mentee Q&A, he shares advice on strengthening acro technique, overcoming fear, researching who you audition for, embracing individuality, and continuing to train. His message throughout the episode is to stay curious, work hard, ask questions, and surround yourself with people who are pursuing similar goals.

Shownotes:

03:56 – From soccer player to passionate dancer

06:00 – Building his unique acro-contemporary style

09:06 – Training specifically for a Cirque career

12:08 – Booking his dream job at eighteen

14:23 – Learning Cirque’s elaborate makeup process

19:13 – Inside life performing with Cirque

25:03 – The unexpected realities of touring young

28:54 – Transitioning from Cirque to Los Angeles

29:20 – Social media opens the Star Search door

30:37 – Eight months preparing for BalletRED

33:26 – Behind the scenes of live television

43:03 – Q&A begins with aspiring dancers

46:59 – Q&A: Strengthening and improving acro technique

53:39 – Q&A: Research who you audition for

1:03:32 – Final advice: Keep training and asking questions

Biography:

Joey Vice is a versatile performer and choreographer who has been making waves in the dance industry since his teenage years. At just 18, his exceptional talent and dedication led him to become the lead role in Cirque du Soleil’s KOOZA.

Now based in Los Angeles, Joey works as a freelance choreographer, teacher, and performer, creating innovative choreography and jaw-dropping tricks. His career has included performing in music videos for artists such as 070 Shake, Marina, and Vana, and most recently appearing on Netflix’s Star Search with BalletRED.

Joey is currently on faculty at Millennium Dance Complex and has worked as a teacher and choreographer for Joffrey Ballet School. Joey’s mission is to push the boundaries of dance while inspiring the next generation of artists through creativity, athleticism, and passion for performance.

Connect on Social Media:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joeythedancer/

Interview Date: August 9th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with Canadian choreographer Alex Francoeur to trace the journey that took him from a nine-year-old boy reluctantly entering his first hip-hop class in Quebec to building a full-time career across performance, choreography, television, live production, and entrepreneurship. Alex shares how early professional opportunities showed him that dance could become a real career, eventually leading him from Montreal to Toronto, New York, and Los Angeles. Along the way, he reflects on the mentors, relationships, O-1 visa journey, and willingness to take risks that shaped his path.

Alex also opens up about the major turning points that redirected his career, including Révolution, receiving a Golden Buzzer on France’s Got Talent, and discovering his voice as a choreographer and creative leader. He explains why genuine relationships matter just as much as talent, how assisting choreographers for years unknowingly prepared him to lead, and why defining success on your own terms can completely change your trajectory.

The conversation dives into one of Alex’s biggest projects yet: serving as head choreographer for the Opening Ceremony of the FIFA World Cup 2026, including the massive audition and rehearsal process behind the production. During the Q&A, Alex shares valuable advice about auditions, skeleton crews, networking, personal branding, leveraging opportunities, and treating yourself like a business. Above all, he encourages dancers to enjoy the journey, stay curious, build meaningful relationships, and recognize that every experience is preparing them for what comes next.

Shownotes:

00:42 – Starting dance at nine in Quebec

05:09 – Discovering dance could become a career

10:28 – Relationships that led to FIFA World Cup

15:14 – Taking a one-way chance on Los Angeles

18:04 – Révolution performance changes Alex’s career

20:11 – Becoming his own brand and business

22:29 – Unexpected transition from dancer to choreographer

25:51 – Building an international dance convention company

28:21 – Defining success on your own terms

32:09 – Choreographing FIFA with 125 dancers

35:16 – Inside the massive FIFA audition process

54:04 – Q&A: Why skeleton crews create opportunities

57:43 – Q&A: Receiving the life-changing FIFA call

1:05:13 – Q&A: Treating yourself like a business

1:11:16 – Final advice: Believe and enjoy the journey

Biography:

Alex Francoeur is a Canadian choreographer who creates large-scale movement for the world’s biggest stages — from sold-out arenas to global broadcast events reaching millions of viewers.

With more than 100 television episodes to his name and live productions staged before crowds exceeding 100,000 spectators, Alex has built a reputation for choreography that merges precision, storytelling, and raw emotional impact. His work doesn’t just fill a stage — it commands it.

His international profile surged after receiving a Golden Buzzer on France’s Got Talent, a breakthrough that brought his singular artistic vision to audiences far beyond Canada. That vision — rooted in authenticity and human connection — is what consistently earns him trust from the industry’s most demanding productions.

Alex has recently served as the Head Choreographer for the Opening Ceremony of the FIFA World Cup 2026, cementing his standing among the elite creators shaping how the world experiences live performance. His work spans productions across Canada, the United States, and Europe.

Connect on Social Media:

Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/alex_francoeur/

Website:https://alexfrancoeur.ca/

Interview Date: July 26th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato reconnects with Hollywood Summer Tour alum Angelica Valente, whose journey has taken her from competitive dancer in Thunder Bay, Ontario, to an LA-based director, producer, fashion designer, and creative entrepreneur. Angelica shares how an early trip to Los Angeles changed the trajectory of her life, eventually inspiring her to move to LA at 17 to study dance. While pursuing a professional dance career, her interests in fashion, film, editing, styling, and creative direction began opening doors she never originally imagined.

Angelica opens up about navigating the entertainment industry as an international artist, from OPT and the O-1 visa process to developing the work ethic, resourcefulness, and relationships necessary to build a career in the United States. She shares how she co-founded Spaced Visuals, grew from working with emerging artists to major productions, and eventually launched her own fashion label, VALENTE. Today, her worlds of dance, film, fashion, and creative direction intersect through productions, campaigns, custom stagewear, and visual storytelling.

Throughout the conversation and mentee Q&A, Angelica encourages dancers to remain open to where their careers can lead, take risks before they feel completely ready, and create opportunities rather than waiting for permission. Her journey is a powerful reminder that dance can be the foundation for countless careers beyond performing—and that the skills dancers develop can continue shaping their success in unexpected ways.

Shownotes:

0:00 – Meet director and designer Angelica Valente

3:23 – Growing up dancing in Thunder Bay

5:15 – Discovering Los Angeles and dreaming bigger

8:06 – Expanding from dance into creative direction

9:28 – Film, editing, fashion spark new passions

11:36 – Navigating OPT and the O-1 visa

17:42 – Building Spaced Visuals from the ground up

19:26 – Launching VALENTE and learning fashion independently

21:19 – Designing custom stagewear for KATSEYE

24:33 – Recognizing how far you have come

26:32 – Taking risks before you feel ready

28:45 – How dance strengthens creative direction skills

33:14 – Q&A: Dreaming beyond what you can see

38:40 – Q&A: Create your own career opportunities

47:21 – Exploring careers beyond being the performer

Biography:

Angelica Valente is a director and fashion designer based in Los Angeles. She is the co-founder of Spaced Visuals, a multidisciplinary creative studio known for crafting cinematic campaigns, music videos, and visual identities for artists and global brands including Usher, Chris Brown, Megan Thee Stallion, Meghan Trainor, GIVĒON, Masego, PUMA, Coca-Cola, TikTok, 100 Thieves, and SoundCloud.

Alongside her production work, Angelica is the founder and creative director of VALENTE, a luxury fashion label recognized for its sculptural silhouettes, cinematic storytelling, and handcrafted collections. Since launching in 2021, VALENTE has designed custom stagewear for KATSEYE, with pieces worn during major appearances including the GRAMMYs, as well as custom looks for Paris Hilton. Her designs have also been worn by Jordin Sparks, Tori Kelly on Good Morning America, Rhea Raj, WNBA champion Jackie Young, and Atsuko Okatsuka for the Emmy Awards.

Whether directing a campaign, designing a collection, or shaping an artist’s creative era, Angelica brings together film, fashion, and brand strategy to create immersive visual identities that live seamlessly across multiple mediums. Her work is defined by bold creative direction, cinematic storytelling, and a relentless focus on crafting ideas that leave a lasting cultural impression.

Connect on Social Media:

Website:

www.spacedvisuals.com

http://www.valenteworld.com

Instagram:

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http://www.instagram.com/valenteworld_

Interview Date: August 2nd, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode of The Business of Dance Podcast, Menina Fortunato sits down with legendary B-boy, choreographer, creative producer, and three-time World Champion Ivan “Flipz” Velez for a conversation about building a career that lasts.

Ivan shares his journey from discovering breaking and pursuing his passion in New York to becoming a professional dancer, touring internationally, working across major dance films, performing at the Olympics, and eventually expanding his career into choreography, casting, producing, stunt work, and motion capture.

Beyond the credits, Ivan gets candid about the qualities that have sustained his career: professionalism, humility, kindness, preparation, persistence, and being willing to help others. He explains why being the most talented dancer in the room isn't enough and how reputation, relationships, representation, and consistently showing up prepared can create opportunities for decades.

The conversation also explores agents, managers, publicists, personal branding, social media, and the importance of putting yourself and your work out into the world—even before you feel completely ready. Ivan reminds dancers that their individual talent deserves to be seen and that there is room for everyone to succeed.

During the mentee Q&A, Ivan shares lessons from decades in breaking, including resilience, humility, navigating injuries, and continuing to evolve. His story is a powerful example of how dance can become the vehicle to an entire career in entertainment when artists refuse to limit themselves to a single title.

Shownotes:

00:00 — Meet legendary B-boy Ivan “Flipz” Velez

08:31 — Chasing breaking’s roots all the way to NYC

09:25 — Betting on himself before booking Honey

24:40 — Reflecting on decades of unforgettable career milestones

26:43 — Why helping others can shape your career

30:20 — Professionalism becomes the secret to career longevity

31:02 — Staying humble when someone is always better

40:16 — How representation helped protect and elevate him

44:31 — Building the agent-manager-publicist dream team

48:56 — Understanding publicity as an investment in yourself

54:38 — Put yourself out there before you’re ready

1:13:00 — What breaking taught Ivan about life

1:14:43 — The physical sacrifices behind a breaking career

1:16:25 — Passion and persistence through major injuries

1:23:37 — Commit, execute, and never limit your possibilities

Biography:

Ivan “Flipz” Velez is a host, choreographer, creative producer, three-time World Champion, and renowned B-boy who began his career as a dancer and stunt performer.

Throughout his career, Ivan has toured the world with top international music icons and acted and danced in major dance films spanning the past two decades. He is also the founder of the internationally recognized Skill Methodz Crew, one of the most elite and legendary B-boy crews in the world.

Ivan continues to act in film and on stage while performing and creating across commercial projects. His infectious positive energy, endless creativity, and commitment to excellence have established him as more than an exceptional performer—he has become a trusted collaborator and creative force across entertainment.

Having built his career around his unique style, inventiveness, and out-of-the-box thinking, Ivan has carried that same creativity behind the camera, expanding his work into choreography, casting, and producing.

“See the INVISIBLE… can do the IMPOSSIBLE.” — Ivan “Flipz” Velez

https://www.instagram.com/ivanflipzvelez

Website: https://www.ivan-flipz-velez.com/

Interview Date: July 19th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode, Brandon Henschel shares his journey from discovering dance at age 12 after being inspired by Michael Jackson to building a successful, decades-long career as a performer, choreographer, director, and educator. He reflects on breaking into the entertainment industry in the 1990s, landing one of his first major opportunities in a Michael Jackson music video, and commuting from San Diego to Los Angeles for auditions and professional jobs.

Brandon shares behind-the-scenes stories from major projects, including touring with Britney Spears, appearing in the iconic Pepsi commercial, performing on Lip Sync Battle, and working alongside some of the entertainment industry’s most recognizable artists and creatives. He also explains why genuine relationships, professionalism, versatility, and a positive attitude are often more valuable than relying solely on auditions.

The conversation also explores Brandon’s transition from performer to creative leader and his current work as the Resident Director of Awakening at Wynn Las Vegas. He discusses the responsibilities of managing a large-scale production, maintaining its artistic integrity, integrating new performers, and leading a diverse cast and creative team. Brandon concludes with valuable advice on accountability, leadership, musicality, audition preparation, partnering, and building a sustainable career in entertainment.

Shownotes:

0:02 – Introduction and Brandon’s entertainment career overview

2:59 – Discovering dance through Michael Jackson at age 12

7:46 – Landing a Michael Jackson video as his first major job

10:00 – Viewing auditions as valuable networking opportunities

13:25 – Why relationships create long-term career opportunities

15:18 – Performing with Britney Spears and booking the Pepsi commercial

17:00 – Navigating massive auditions and intimidating private callbacks

22:17 – Commercial residuals and career-changing performance opportunities

24:00 – Filming From Justin to Kelly in Miami

29:50 – Inside the spectacular Las Vegas production Awakening

35:13 – Transitioning from professional performer to resident director

40:25 – Developing the leadership skills required to manage performers

46:39 – Why accountability is essential in every career

50:00 – Q&A: Audition advice for acrobatic dancers

53:05 – Q&A: Balancing school, training, and professional goals

For over 30 years, Brandon Henschel has worked as a choreographer and director across film, television, live events, and theatre. His clients and collaborators include Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Tobey Maguire, Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, Britney Spears, and Beyoncé.

Brandon currently serves as the Resident Director of Awakening, named Best Production Show in Las Vegas, at Wynn Resorts. He has held the position for three consecutive years, overseeing the performers and helping maintain the artistic integrity of the large-scale production.

In addition to his professional work, Brandon has taught internationally for more than 20 years. He is passionate about developing the next generation of performers through foundational technique, musicality, professionalism, and a strong work ethic.

Connect on Social Media:

Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/thebrandonhenschel/

Interview Date: July 12th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode, Tanya Jane shares her journey from a young professional dancer in Australia to building a thriving career in Los Angeles—and ultimately transitioning into a seven-figure success energetics coaching business. After moving to LA at just 19, she navigated visas, broke into the industry without connections, and built a decade-long career performing on some of the world’s biggest stages alongside major artists.

Tanya opens up about the realities of the dance industry, including rejection, audition pressure, and the mental resilience required to sustain long-term success. She shares practical advice on securing representation, standing out in auditions, and creating opportunities for yourself—emphasizing the importance of persistence, preparation, and taking bold action even when the path is uncertain.

The conversation then shifts into her transition out of dance and into entrepreneurship, where she built a 7-figure coaching business rooted in mindset and “success energetics.” Tanya breaks down how shifting internal beliefs can transform external results, offering tools to help dancers overcome rejection, reframe setbacks, and step into aligned, expansive success. The episode closes with a Q&A, where she answers questions on moving cities, building confidence, and navigating fear in the entertainment industry.

Show Notes

0:00 – Introduction and Tanya’s career overview

2:30 – Early dance training and professional start

6:05 – Moving to LA and visa challenges

7:18 – Booking contract and preparing financially

9:42 – First LA audition and getting signed

11:31 – O-1 visa process and requirements

14:41 – Securing sponsorship and staying in LA

17:10 – Taking risks and asking for opportunities

20:11 – Building credentials and industry positioning

25:51 – Favorite jobs and performance experiences

27:25 – Transition from dance to entrepreneurship

30:00 – Mindset shift and career transformation

34:41 – Four-step energy flip for rejection

44:07 – Q&A: moving to a new city mindset

53:27 – Q&A: fear, confidence, industry advice

Biography:

Tanya Jane is a former professional dancer turned success energetics mentor for high-achieving women ready to 10x their life, business, and income—without burnout.

Originally from Sydney, Australia, she moved to Los Angeles at 19 to pursue her dream of becoming a professional dancer. She went on to build a decade-long career performing on some of the world’s biggest stages and television productions, working with artists including Cher, Nick Jonas, Bad Bunny, Will Smith, Marc Anthony, and Bebe Rexha.

Today, Tanya is the founder of a 7-figure coaching business where she blends her experience of pursuing “unrealistic” dreams with scalable wealth strategies and aligned action. Through her work, she helps women break through limiting beliefs, elevate their mindset, and create extraordinary success—while fully living an extraordinary life.

Connect on Social Media:

Website: https://www.thetanyajane.com/so

dInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetanyajane/

Interview: July 5th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode, German Morales—talent agent, manager, producer, and founder of MGMT Artists—shares an inside look into the entertainment industry and what it truly takes to build a sustainable career as a performer. With over 20 years of experience, German walks through his unconventional journey from aspiring actor to becoming a leading talent representative, highlighting how his background in business and passion for entertainment ultimately shaped his career path.

German breaks down the day-to-day role of an agent, from reviewing casting breakdowns and submitting talent to negotiating contracts and developing artists long-term. He emphasizes the importance of strong branding, professional materials—especially headshots and reels—and the value of persistence when seeking representation. A key takeaway from this episode is the power of being a multi-hyphenate performer. Dancers who can also act, sing, or model significantly increase their opportunities and marketability in today’s industry.

The conversation also explores the current audition landscape, where self-tapes dominate, along with practical advice on how to stand out, avoid common mistakes, and leverage tools like social media and AI. German also shares insights into iPOP, a global talent showcase that connects performers with industry professionals, and how opportunities like this can accelerate exposure and career growth. The episode concludes with a live Q&A, offering real-time guidance for dancers navigating representation, submissions, and long-term career strategy.

Show Notes

0:00 – Introduction to German Morales and career

2:03 – From aspiring actor to talent agent

6:08 – Inside an agent’s daily responsibilities

7:49 – Types of talent and notable clients

11:31 – How to get signed by an agent

13:33 – What iPOP is and how it works

15:40 – Notable success stories from iPOP

17:10 – How to apply and audition for iPOP

20:06 – Importance of being a multi-hyphenate performer

21:42 – How to become a talent agent

28:00 – What makes a strong submission stand out

33:24 – Why dancers should learn acting

38:03 – When and how to submit to agencies

50:07 – Self-tapes vs in-person auditions today

53:00 – Closing

Biography:

German E. Morales is a talent agent, manager, producer, and founder of MGMT Artists. With more than 20 years of experience in the entertainment industry, he has helped launch and develop the careers of actors, models, singers, and performers who have appeared in major television shows, films, national commercials, and even Academy Award-nominated productions.

He is also a managing partner of iPOP!, one of the world’s leading talent discovery events, connecting aspiring performers with top agents, managers, casting directors, and producers. A voting member of the Television Academy, German is passionate about helping the next generation of talent break into the entertainment industry and build lasting careers.

Connect on Social Media:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/german_mgmtartists_/

Website: https://mgmtartists.com/

Interview Date: June 28th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode, Tina Oleff, agent at MSA Talent Agency, shares her dynamic journey through the dance industry—from her early days as a competitive dancer in Ohio to building a multifaceted career across performance, production, broadcasting, and talent representation. She highlights how there is no single path to success, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, curiosity, and trusting your instincts when navigating a career in dance.

Tina gives an inside look at what agents are truly searching for when signing dancers, breaking down the importance of professionalism, strong training, clear submissions, and authenticity. She explains that talent alone is not enough—dancers must also be reliable, coachable, and easy to work with. She also shares actionable insights on how dancers can get noticed today, whether through classes, conventions, or digital submissions.

Throughout the episode, Tina answers questions from dancers, offering guidance on breaking into major markets, avoiding common submission mistakes, and building lasting industry relationships. Her message is clear: focus on becoming undeniable through consistency, character, and connection—because success in this industry is built on more than just talent.

Shownotes:

0:00 – Introduction and Tina’s career journey overview

2:00 – Early training and starting teaching young

4:00 – Moving to NYC and industry immersion

6:20 – Injury leading to unexpected career pivot

8:00 – Transition into conventions and agency work

9:30 – Joining MSA and career breakthrough

11:20 – How dancers get signed today

12:00 – What makes a strong submission stand out

13:20 – Demo reels vs single clips explained

14:10 – Education pathways and industry exposure

17:30 – College training vs commercial dance reality

19:30 – Red flags agents notice immediately

21:00 – What agents look for beyond talent

22:00 – Importance of relationships and networking

28:30 – Reality of training after getting signed

41:00- Benefits of industry systems like ICDR

43:30 – Handling negativity and industry pushback

48:20 – Q&A: Maintaining relationships and networking authentically

Biography:

Tina Oleff, originally from Cleveland, Ohio, began her dance training at age six and grew up dancing competitively. She started teaching at just 16 years old before continuing her dance studies at Arizona State University.

She later relocated to New York City, where she trained at Broadway Dance Center, Steps on Broadway, and Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater. During this time, she immersed herself in the dance community—assisting faculty, building meaningful industry relationships, and teaching extensively throughout the New York metropolitan area.

Tina holds a bachelor’s degree in Communication Arts and Marketing from Marymount Manhattan College and brings a diverse professional background spanning dance, production, and broadcast. Her experience includes working with top dance conventions and competitions, serving as an assistant to a prominent on-air sports broadcaster at ESPN, and gaining early experience within a leading dance agency. This multifaceted background gives her a unique and well-rounded perspective on the entertainment industry.

She is currently an agent within the Talent and Education Departments at MSA Agency, where she leads the Los Angeles MSA KATS Division and MSA Education. Tina uses her expertise and network to support young artists, connect educators and choreographers with meaningful opportunities, and guide industry professionals in achieving their goals. Driven by her passion for dance and mentorship, she believes every artist has the ability to dream boldly, grow with confidence, and build an extraordinary career both in and beyond the industry.

Connect on Social Media:Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/teenie0/

MSA:

https://www.instagram.com/msa_kats/

https://www.instagram.com/msa_education/

https://www.instagram.com/msaagency/

Interview Date: June 21st , 2026

Episode Summary:

In this powerful and expansive conversation, Jeff Thacker—executive producer of So You Think You Can Dance—shares his journey from an untrained school dancer to one of the most influential figures in global dance entertainment. He walks through each stage of his career evolution—from performer to choreographer to producer—emphasizing that longevity in the industry comes from adaptability, curiosity, and the willingness to start over at the bottom of a new ladder.

Jeff dives deep into the realities of the dance industry, challenging dancers to move beyond the idea of “dreams” and instead take ownership through action, discipline, and choice. He highlights the importance of being well-rounded, building strong technical foundations, and developing a distinct personal identity. Drawing from his experience casting over 60,000 dancers, he reinforces that success is not just about talent—it’s about being memorable, coachable, and aligned with opportunity.

The episode also explores the legacy and impact of So You Think You Can Dance, the creation of the Dance Hall of Fame, and the importance of honoring dance history while creating future opportunities. Through candid Q&A with young dancers, Jeff offers practical advice on auditions, career transitions, and avoiding common mistakes. His core message is clear: dancers have the power to shape their own path—through consistency, resilience, and the choices they make every day.

Shownotes:

0:00 – Jeff Thacker introduction and career highlights

3:30 – Early dance journey and late formal training

6:00 – Transition from dancer to choreographer

9:50 – Career evolution into production and TV

12:30 – Building So You Think You Can Dance

15:30 – Creating opportunities for dancers and choreographers 18:30 – Audition insights and casting perspective

21:30 – Dance as a lifelong evolving career

24:00 – Importance of versatility and technical foundation 27:30 – Advice for young dancers and training mindset

30:30 – Dance Hall of Fame mission and impact

34:30 – Industry legacy and honoring dance history

41:30 – Q&A: career transitions and biggest mistakes

51:30 – Navigating professional dance opportunities

58:30 – Future of So You Think You Can Dance and final advice

Biography:

Jeff Thacker is recognized as one of the foremost entertainment producers in both American and British television. With a career spanning dance, choreography, and production, he has worked with some of the biggest global names in the entertainment industry.

He began his career as a dancer with the BBC’s renowned group The Dougie Squires Second Generation, performing on a weekly live television show that built his foundation in performance and production. Transitioning into choreography, Jeff created iconic work including Robert Palmer’s Addicted to Love, which became a global phenomenon.

Over the years, Jeff has earned numerous prestigious awards, including a BAFTA, an Emmy, multiple nominations, and international television honors. His work spans major productions with artists such as Elton John, Celine Dion, Jennifer Lopez, Cher, and Diana Ross, among many others.

In 2005, Jeff became a Senior Producer and original judge on So You Think You Can Dance, later serving as Executive Producer for 17 seasons. He played a pivotal role in shaping the show’s global success, contributing to its 70+ Emmy nominations and international adaptations across more than 30 countries.

Beyond television, Jeff has produced major events including the BAFTA Awards, Royal Variety Performances, and American Idol specials. Most recently, he served as Executive Producer and Showrunner for the Dance Hall of Fame, continuing his mission to elevate and honor the legacy of dance worldwide.

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Interview Date: October 20th, 2025Episode Summary:This special red carpet episode of The Business of Dance Podcast takes you inside the Gala of the Stars at the Beverly Hilton, a powerful evening supporting Dancers Against Cancer. Host Menina Fortunato interviews some of the most influential names in dance and entertainment, capturing real-time insights, career advice, and heartfelt moments from industry legends, rising stars, and changemakers.Throughout the episode, guests like Debbie Gibson, Abby Lee Miller, Robbie Blue, Allison Holker, and Vincent Paterson share what it truly takes to build a sustainable career in the dance industry. From mastering your craft and showing up prepared, to understanding your value, building relationships, and thinking long-term, a common theme emerges: success in dance is as much about professionalism, mindset, and business awareness as it is about talent.Beyond career insights, the episode highlights the deep sense of community within the dance world—celebrating mentorship, friendship, philanthropy, and resilience. With emotional stories, legacy reflections, and powerful advice, this episode serves as both inspiration and a reminder that dance is not just an art form, but a vehicle for impact, connection, and purpose.Show Notes 0:00 – Red carpet kickoff at Gala of the Stars2:30 – Debbie Gibson on longevity and performer value5:45 – Advice: be early, prepared, and unique9:10 – JoJo Siwa on impact and fundraising excitement12:00 – Abby Lee Miller on professionalism and presentation16:45 – Robbie Blue on Tate McRae VMA concept20:30 – What choreographers look for in dancers25:15 – Allison Holker on vision, goals, and longevity30:40 – Julie McDonald on treating dance as a business35:20 – Vincent Paterson on podcast inspiration story40:10 – Sabrina Bryan on career longevity and adaptability45:55 – Autumn Miller & Sophia Lucia on growth and goals52:30 – Industry leaders on philanthropy and impact57:40 – Business advice: training, finances, and branding1:02:45 – Closing reflections on community and purposeConnect on Social Media:https://www.instagram.com/industrydanceawards/https://www.facebook.com/IndustryDanceAwards/https://www.instagram.com/imadanceragainstcancer/https://www.facebook.com/iadacfoundation/Websitehttp://industrydanceawards.com/http://imadanceragainstcancer.org/Connect with GuestsDebbie Gibson - https://www.instagram.com/debbiegibson/Jojo Siwa - https://www.instagram.com/itsjojosiwa/Abby Lee Miller - https://www.instagram.com/therealabbylee/Robbie Blue -https://www.instagram.com/itsrobbiesworld_/Allison Holker -https://www.instagram.com/allisonholker/Julie Macdonald- https://www.instagram.com/juliemcdonaldmsa/Vincent Paterson - https://www.instagram.com/vlpla/Sabrina Bryan https://www.instagram.com/sabrina.bryan/Sophia Lucia https://www.instagram.com/_sophialucia/Autumn Miller - https://www.instagram.com/autumnmiller/Danielle Guillermo - https://www.instagram.com/daniellestenguillermo/Lance Guillermo -https://www.instagram.com/lancefreshness/Enola Bedard - https://www.instagram.com/enola.bedard/Anita Mann - https://www.instagram.com/anitamannprod/Jeff Thacker -https://www.instagram.com/jeffthacker/Richard Jay Alexander - https://www.instagram.com/broadwaydick/Tia Stokes - https://www.instagram.com/thetiabeestokes/Mandy Moore- https://www.instagram.com/nopenother/Michelle Webb -https://www.spotlightevents.com/about-index

Interview Date: June 14th, 2026

Episode Summary:

In this episode, Julian Mireles shares his unconventional journey into dance, beginning with a background in martial arts and overcoming early physical limitations. Starting later than most, Julian developed a deep curiosity for movement, leading him to study anatomy, biomechanics, and performance science to accelerate his growth and prevent injury.

Julian breaks down how his personal struggles shaped the creation of the BodyTech Method—a system built on the belief that strength must come before flexibility. He dives into the gaps within traditional dance training, emphasizing the importance of stability, alignment, and long-term dancer health. Through trial, rejection, and persistence, he transformed his knowledge into a globally recognized training system used by dancers and athletes worldwide.

Beyond technique, the conversation explores entrepreneurship, scaling a business, and building authority in a competitive industry. Julian shares insights on mindset, resilience, and creating opportunities, leaving dancers with actionable advice on how to build sustainable, long-term careers both on and off the stage.

Shownotes:

0:01 – Introduction and unconventional start in dance
3:28 – Starting late and accelerating development
5:34 – Learning anatomy to improve performance
6:14 – Pandemic pivot to online training platform
7:41 – Turning setbacks into scalable opportunities
9:00 – Building a business independently
11:33 – Facing rejection and proving credibility
14:20 – Leveraging relationships for growth
19:27 – Developing long-term vision and mindset
24:45 – Positioning within the dance industry
30:05 – Gaps in traditional dancer training
36:15 – Shifting from dancer to entrepreneur
42:10 – Building authority and industry trust
48:50 – Systems for sustainable growth
1:02:45 – Final reflections on discipline and success

Biography:

Julian Mireles is a flexibility, strength, and biomechanics specialist, entrepreneur, and educator, best known as the founder of Bodybreaker Corp and creator of the BodyTech Method. With over 20 years of experience in dance and athletic training, he has built a global reputation for redefining flexibility through strength, stability, and functional movement.

His method integrates anatomy, physiology, biomechanics, and injury prevention to help dancers and athletes improve performance safely. Developed through years of research and experience, his system includes over 1,700 exercises targeting flexibility, mobility, turnout, jump mechanics, and overall body control.

Through private coaching, studio intensives, teacher education, and online platforms, Julian has trained thousands of dancers worldwide. His students have earned top scholarships, titles, and industry recognition. Rooted in his philosophy, “strength creates safe flexibility,” his work focuses on longevity, measurable progress, and building resilient, high-performing bodies.

Based in Miami, he continues to expand the BodyTech Method globally while educating the next generation of dancers and athletes.

Connect on Social Media:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bodytechmethod/?hl=en