Podcast

The Elevator’s Cut Podcast

Business, Management, Relationships, Society & Culture

The grain merchandisers podcast where Roger and Jason capture the big topics and challenges of the grain industry with humor, pragmatism, and simplicity. With a few decades of combined experience in the basis trading, brokerage, and farm marketing spheres, they use their experiences and knowledge of their area of the grain business to shed some light on what they can, and debunk some myths and exaggerations that exist in the grain industry.

There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

Episodes
100
Releases
Monthly
Typical length
46 min
On air since
2019
Latest episode
1 month ago

Episodes

100 episodes, newest first

  1. Grain Elevator Profit Margins Explained: Net Margin per Bushel

    Episode 108

    Show notes

    S2E20 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

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    Most people assume grain elevators clear 70 cents a bushel, but once you take out the median 57 cents in expenses, the average net is closer to 13, and that changes how every penny should be merchandised. Jason Wheeler and Roger Gattis of White Commercial also get into why this harvest is the simplest selling decision in years, and why basis backs off when futures rally.

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    Check Out Our Website - https://www.whitecommercial.com/

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    46 min
  2. Grain Elevator Values: $5 a Bushel to Build, $1.50 to Buy

    Episode 107

    Show notes

    S2E19 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

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    It costs about $5 a bushel of space to build new — but good existing elevators are trading between $1.50 and $3. Jeff Reardon of White Commercial breaks down the median numbers across North America, why banks are cutting operating lines from $40 million to $20 million, and the one thing that decides whether you're selling a business or just selling bins. With hosts Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler on The Elevator's Cut.

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    Check Out Our Website - https://www.whitecommercial.com/

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    42 min
  3. Why Two Elevators 15 Miles Apart Pay Completely Different Prices

    Episode 106

    Show notes

    S2E18 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

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    Why do two elevators 15 miles apart post completely different bids for the same grain? Jason and Roger break down the different "games" being played across elevators, end users, and resellers. They also dig into how much say a co-op board should actually have over grain-buying policy.

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    Check Out Our Website - https://www.whitecommercial.com/

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    44 min
  4. Do Farmers Have TOO Much Freedom? The Case for Grain Constraints

    Episode 105

    Show notes

    S2E17 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    Are we giving producers too much freedom? In this episode of The Elevator's Cut, we're diving into the wild world of behavioral economics and why endless grain marketing choices usually just lead to terrible, last-minute decisions.

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    Check Out Our Website - https://www.whitecommercial.com/

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    42 min
  5. The Biggest Lie About $5 Corn

    Episode 104

    Show notes

    S2E16 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    May brings bad weather, planting stress, and $5 corn, but should you actually be selling right now? Today, we're breaking down why FOMO is destroying your grain marketing strategy, the hard truth about elevator margins, and why the commercial side is pushing you to lock in basis.

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    Check Out Our Website - https://www.whitecommercial.com/

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    In This Video:

    Jeff Reardon's CFO Insights - https://www.whitecommercial.com/cfo-insight

    Bloomington Meeting Details - https://www.gfai.org/upcoming-events.html

    38 min
  6. The DeLorean Market: Why the Public is Wrong About Oil Prices

    Episode 103

    Show notes

    S2E15 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    Everyone says the market is "wrong," but the truth is usually just a supply crunch hidden in plain sight. We’re breaking down the "DeLorean Market" (Backwardation), why the Strait of Hormuz is driving everyone crazy, and the 3 phases of the grain business you need to survive.

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    Check Out Our Website - https://www.whitecommercial.com/

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    In This Video:

    Jeff Reardon's CFO Insights - https://www.whitecommercial.com/cfo-insight Bloomington Meeting Details - https://www.gfai.org/upcoming-events.html

    36 min
  7. Navigating the 2026 Grain Market

    Season 2, Episode 14

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    S2E14 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut!

    In this episode, we're diving deep into the specific cultural characteristics that separate high-performing grain elevators from the rest of the pack. Drawing from over 50 years of industry observations and fresh off a national conference, the discussion moves beyond simple "buy low, sell high" tactics to explore the fundamental mindsets that drive long-term profitability and operational excellence.

    54 min
  8. 6 Cultural Traits of a Successful Grain Business

    Episode 102

    Show notes

    S2E13 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut! In this episode, we're diving deep into the specific cultural characteristics that separate high-performing grain elevators from the rest of the pack. Drawing from over 50 years of industry observations and fresh off a national conference, the discussion moves beyond simple "buy low, sell high" tactics to explore the fundamental mindsets that drive long-term profitability and operational excellence.

    46 min
  9. Beyond the Forecast: What Weather Actually Means for the Elevator

    Episode 101

    Show notes

    S2E12 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut! In this episode, we're diving into the disconnect between public perception and the gritty reality of life in the grain industry. From the perspective of seasoned grain merchandisers, the conversation challenges common misconceptions—like the idea that any rain is "good" rain—by highlighting how unseasonable warmth and poorly timed downpours can actually jeopardize wheat crops and invite summer pest surges. Broadcasting from deep within America’s heartland, the discussion serves as a grounded voice of reason, cutting through the upbeat fluff of local news cycles to explain how specific weather patterns truly impact the elevator and the field.

    45 min
  10. Winning the Basis Battle: How to Make Your Grain Bins Pay for Themselves

    Episode 100

    Show notes

    S2E11 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut! In this episode, your hosts Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler recap their recent trip to St. Louis for a grain merchandising workshop, enduring extreme winter weather and navigating the "climate" of the city. They highlight the value of interactive meetings over stagnant PowerPoint presentations, sharing insights from their sessions on making grain bins profitable and the importance of capturing a "return to space" in any market.

    43 min
  11. How Commercial Elevators ACTUALLY Make Money

    Season 2, Episode 10

    Show notes

    S2E10 - Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut! In this episode, your hosts Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler are joined by the CEO of White Commercial, Phil Luce. Today, we dive into the harvest hours debate and the limitations of autonomous grain handling, then pivot to a deep analysis of farm bin profitability, arguing that the widely cited 25-cent return often neglects the vital cost of carry and quality risk.

    1 hr 4 min
  12. What is Going on with Harvest?!: Tariffs, Trade, and the Truth About Prices

    Season 2, Episode 9

    Show notes

    S2E9 Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut! In this episode, your hosts Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler are analyzing the intense harvest season, from viral videos of collapsing grain bins to the serious economic impact of bad crop quality. They look at the fundamental issues plaguing the rice and soybean markets. Is the talk about low prices and tariffs justified? They dig into the numbers to give you the real cash price picture.

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    Disclaimer: There is a risk of loss in futures and options trading. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

    42 min
  13. The Truth About Grain Markets: Why You Can't Blame the Elevators

    Episode 99

    Show notes

    S2E8 Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut! In this episode, your hosts Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler are joined by special guest Scott Hansen, a grain business legend with decades of experience. In this candid discussion, we dive into the frustrations many farmers are facing this harvest season, particularly with the historically low soybean basis. Scott shares a fascinating story about a conversation he had at church with some farmers who were concerned the market was "trying to steal their soybeans." We tackle common misconceptions about grain markets, explain why basis is a market signal (not a conspiracy), and reveal what really happens when an elevator's bids drop to "no bid."

    1 hr 6 min
  14. Your Harvest Time Companion - Navigating Big Yields and Low Prices

    Episode 98

    Show notes

    S2E7 Join Roger and Jason on "The Elevator's Cut Podcast" as they dive into the current harvest landscape. Why are farmers selling even when prices are low? We'll discuss the massive yields emerging from the Southeast and how they’re affecting the market. We'll also break down the importance of harvest ownership for elevators and discuss why some grain is being sold "across the scale" despite low prices.

    1 hr 5 min
  15. The Banker's Cut 2025: Redone, Reborn, Resomething - Featuring Jeff Reardon

    Season 2, Episode 6

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    S2E6 Join Roger and Jason on "The Elevator's Cut Podcast" as they welcome back industry legend, Jeff Reardon! In this insightful episode, Jeff, a financial expert and CPA, dives deep into the current financial landscape for grain merchandisers and elevators. Discover why the industry is seeing impressive profits, even with changing market dynamics. Jeff shares his unique "dollars per bushel of space" metric for evaluating financial health, discusses the critical importance of harvest ownership, and explains why raising price later fees in a carry market is essential.

    44 min
  16. What Position My Position Was In - Featuring Michael Kaeb

    Episode 97

    Show notes

    S2E5 Join hosts Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler on this episode of The Elevator's Cut as they welcome back old friend and former grain elevator manager, Michael Kaeb of White Commercial. Michael, now a consultant for grain elevators across the western U.S. and Canada, shares his surprising observations about the vast diversity of crops—from milo and sunflowers to various wheat types—and the unique hedging strategies employed in these regions, including using corn futures to hedge barley.

    The conversation then dives into common, often misused, phrases in the agriculture industry. Michael helps demystify expressions like "the way the market is right now" and "out of position," offering a candid look at what these colloquialisms truly mean (or don't mean!) in the fast-paced world of grain trading. Plus, get a behind-the-scenes peek at elevator life, including the unexpected challenges of painting wood paneling and hilarious college student excuses. Tune in for insightful discussions, industry anecdotes, and a few laughs!

    41 min
  17. The Grain Elevator's Secret Sauce (Spoiler: It's NOT Price!)

    Season 2, Episode 4

    Show notes

    S2E4 Welcome back to The Elevator's Cut, where Roger Gattis and Jason Wheeler cut through the misconceptions and complexities of the grain industry with a healthy dose of humor and pragmatism. This episode, they tackle the "joys" of corn planting season, dissecting USDA numbers and the ever-predictable weather chaos. They then dive into the wild world of grain spreads and basis trading, revealing why the math might make your head spin (and why your elevator isn't making a killing on price). Plus, get the inside scoop on why grain elevators actually make their money, and why co-op retirements are causing such a stir. And for the record, the internet has spoken: ranch is NOT a spread! Tune in for straight talk, funny takes, and maybe a few eye-rolls, all aimed at shedding light on the real challenges and opportunities in the grain business.

    49 min
  18. What's The Market Really Saying?

    Season 2, Episode 3

    Show notes

    S2E03 What is the market really saying? Probably “good luck,” but we’re listening anyway. In this episode, Roger and Jason decode how merchandisers respond to spread structures, why everyone’s suddenly in love with averager contracts, and what to do when every farmer within 100 miles decides to grow corn. As always, no financial advice—just sarcasm, strategy, and survival tips from the merchandiser trenches.

    48 min
  19. Spreads, Basis, and Risk—What Merchandisers Miss Most

    Season 2, Episode 2

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    S2E2 In this episode, Jason and Roger return from the road to unpack what they’re hearing across the industry—from farmer frustrations to merchandiser game plans. They dig into summer inversions, spread behavior that defies expectations, and the silent chaos of full bins before harvest. Also: co-op board decisions, pricing deadlines, and how bureaucratic policies somehow helped basis. If you’re in grain merchandising or AG logistics, this one’s for you.

    40 min
  20. The Grain Mafia, Market Myths, and the Art of Being Wrong

    Season 2, Episode 1

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    S2E1 Who’s really pulling the strings in the grain market? The Grain Mafia? The speculators? The deep state? In this episode, Roger and Jason break down the latest rally, debunk some classic misconceptions, and take a closer look at why some folks think only farmers should be allowed to trade futures. Plus, we explore why certain pricing myths just won’t die and how elevators actually manage risk (hint: it’s not by guessing the top). Tune in for the usual mix of hard truths, sarcasm, and a few hot takes that might just get us canceled on grain Twitter.

    39 min