The Enneagram Journey

Welcome back on the Journey!

If you missed the first half of this conversation, go back to episode 203 and get to know B Chris (7) and Jonathan (2) a little better.

In the latter half, the Reverend joins Suzanne, Jonathan, and B Chris to talk about life in ministry. The ups and downs, highs and lows.

PLUG TIME

Visit http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com to find out about what is coming up on Suzanne's teaching schedule and the LTM calendar! Including:

• The Contemplative Enneagram Summit
• Know Your Number with Suzanne the first weekend of October
• The Replanted Conference

The Enneagram Journey and Life In The Trinity Ministry are safe spaces for solitary work that cannot be done alone!

This is the first half of a fun, and deep, conversation!

Meet longtime friends and working partners, Jonathan and B Chris.

We've got 2 Twos and 2 Sevens talking, so you're gonna have to pick a side! Not really of course.

They joined us at The Micah Center to talk about their working relationship, our responses to trauma, finding balance, and Tinder! Among other things.

PLUG TIME

Enneagram and Pickle Ball September 22nd!

Enneagram Know Your Number in Massachusetts!

Apply for the 2027 Enneagram Cohort Program!

The Contemplative Enneagram Summit!

Find even more at http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com !

Get a little Flashlight going for these three Enneagram 9s! If you are a 9, or love one, or want to love one better, give this a listen.

Rev. Joe Stabile, Jeff Crosby, and Dr. Billy Schewee join Suzanne in this episode to talk about Enneagram Nines and:

• Generational Differences
• Guilt and Shame
• Active vs. Passive Engagement
• Music and more!

PLUG TIME

Know Your Number with Suzanne Stabile in Boston is October 2-3!

lifeinthetrinityministry.com

Come hear the workshop that inspired the best selling book, The Road Back to You! Friday night and all day Saturday, packed with community, compassion, and understanding. Join us at The Parish of the Epiphany in Winchester. If you can't join in person, join online!

Music Samples in today's podcast:

• The Enneagram Journey theme song comes from Solveig Leithaug ft. Cindy Morgan, "Lift You Up"
• "Its Too Late" by Carole King (1971)
• "Blowin' in the Wind" by Chad Michell Trio (1963)
• "Today" by The Smashing Pumpkins (1993)
• "Father and Son" by Cat Stevens (1970)

As you can tell from the intro, this is a great BLEEPING episode of The Journey!

Meet Jenn and Josh, a 6 and 7 handling all that life throws at them.

• Miscarriages, Parenting, Replanted
• State it and Rate it
• Same here paddles
• and more!

"Shame dies when stories are told in safe spaces." - Ann Voskamp

PLUG TIME

• 2026 Enneagram Bootcamp! July 30 - August 1 in Dallas or join online. Generational Enneagram with Suzanne Stabile and LTM
• Know Your Number in Boston! - October 2-3. Tell everyone you know to join. It is going to be. Awesome.
• Replanted Conference - You hear about it in the episode, now come be about it
• 2027 Enneagram Cohort Program- Now is the time to apply! 4 Cohorts with 40 spots for each one. Don't miss your chance to dive into the deep end of solitary work that cannot be done alone

And visit and subscribe to http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com for all things LTM and Enneagram Journey!

We finally figured out how to stream to both Facebook AND Instagram!!

Thank you to everyone who joined live for this podcast recording.

I (Joel) think we got to answer 13-15 questions, which is impressive for us in a one hour segment. Hopefully we'll get to do these weekly moving forward.

PLUG TIME:

Enneagram Bootcamp 2026: Generational Enneagram

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com

The coolest thing about Enneagram Bootcamp is seeing the bonds and relationships that build each year. We hope you'll be a part of this upcoming opportunity July 30 - Aug 1.

As you heard in the intro, stay hard David Black. A good dude, who lived a good life. Everyone who knew him will miss him. Joe and Suzanne will miss him. LTM will miss him.

We are a little bummed that nobody mentioned Safety Dance in this conversation!

That being said, this is a great conversation about dancing and ritual, the enneagram and our relationship with our bodies. This is Rachel's first time on the show, and Courtney is an Enneagram Journey veteran, and it probably isn't their last time sharing with our listeners.

We have a few clips of songs sprinkled throughout the show, and hope you enjoy all of them (or at least a couple!).

And don't forget to jump on over to http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com to see where Suzanne is teaching next and other opportunities with LTM and The Enneagram Journey!

Music in this episode

• Pink Pony Club by Chappell Roan
• Shine by Michael Franti & Spearhead
• One Day / Reckoning Song by Asaf Avidan & The Mojos
• Could I have This Dance by Anne Murray
• My Joy Is Heavy by The Bengsons
• The Molly B. Polka Party

Two of the podcast's favorite people join Suzanne and Joe at her favorite bookstore to do what she loves the most: talk relationships and enneagram!

The listeners are probably familiar with Hunter from all of his work with LTM, and now you get to meet his soon to be husband, Bradley Hickman. We get to hear what works and what struggles 9s and 2s have together.

PLUG TIME:

LTM has a new home, and we're working on updating a new and improved website. We have events coming up in Minnesota, California, Texas, and Massachusetts. The 2027 Cohort applications open May 1, and summer small groups are around the corner.

visit http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com to join in the community!

Meet the eldest of Suzanne's 9 grandchildren!

William Alexander Schewee IV, enneagram 4, joins the show with his uncle and a couple of grandparents, including of course, the Enneagram Godmother.

You'll learn about "Bros' Nights", the differences and similarities between fours and sevens, our different ways of connection including: how do you respond to people singing happy birthday to you?!

And remember, hope will not leave you disappointed!

PLUG TIME:

• Joey Stabile Schewee's new book, "When Working Together Doesn't Work" is now available everywhere books are sold! Grab your copy and show her some love with a review and rating.
• The Enneagram AND...marches on. Next up is Colorado Springs with the great KJ Ramsey and The Enneagram AND Trauma. Get your tickets to join in person or online by visiting https://www.lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand

Join us in escorting The Micah Center on to the next plain.

Suzanne, Joe, and Hunter sit down for one final conversation at The Micah Center, the home of LTM for the past 20 years.

As you'll hear in the intro, this episode is heavy on the "Journey" aspect of the podcast and light on any "enneagram" talk. Suzanne and Joe always are quick to say that the enneagram is just a tool. A GREAT tool, but just one. The Micah Center was so much more than a tool. It became a safe space for thousands of people to go to.

Stay hard Micah Center!

If The Micah Center means something to you, or had an impact on your life, we would love to hear about it. CLICK HERE to leave a voicemail sharing some Micah Center love or memories.

Ready to join the Enneagram AND tour 2026?! The first event is at the end of January, and we're continuing on into the summer.

The Enneagram AND Parenting

The Enneagram AND Spirituality

The Enneagram AND Truama

The Enneagram AND Your Body

The Enneagram AND Stress

Join live or join us virtually online for great teaching with a great group of teachers.

CLICK HERE TO JOIN THE ENNEAGRAM AND TOUR 2026 OR LEARN MORE

The Merton Prayer:

My Lord God, I have no idea where I am going
I do not see the road ahead of me
I cannot know for certain where it will end
Nor do I really know myself
And the fact that I think I am following your will does not mean
That I am actually doing so
But I believe that the desire to please you does in fact please you
And I hope I have that desire in all that I am doing I hope that I will never do anything apart from that desire
And I know that if I do this you will lead me by the right road
Though I may know nothing about it
Therefore will I trust you always though
I may seem to be lost and in the shadow of death
I will not fear, for you are ever with me
And you will never leave me to face my perils alone

Today's Intro:

• From the original Enneagram Journey Curriculum
• "Tha Crossroads" by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony (Ruthless)
• (outro) "I wouldn't take nothin' for my journey", Live at Studio C (Gaither Studios)

The Enneagram Journey may be recording next at your local Hilton! Maybe not, but this episode was fun to record at Joel's hotel room when LTM travelled to Charlotte, NC for a workshop. Kim Honeycutt (8) and Larissa Miller (4) join the show to talk about their relationship, their journey, justice, and what do you know about polyvagal theory?

You can find out more about what Kim and Larissa are up to at https://www.icutalks.org/, http://watershedcharlotte.com and http://kimhoneycutt.com

PLUG TIME!!!!

The Enneagram AND 2026 Tour is around the corner!

The Enneagram and Parenting in Nashville, TN - The Enneagram and Spirituality in Jackson, MS - The Enneagram and Trauma in Colorado Springs, CO - The Enneagram and Your Body in Minneapolis, MN - The Enneagram and Stress in California.

Join us in person, or join us online virtually!

Get all of the important information and registration at http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/enneagramand

Today's Intro:

• The Waterboy (1998, Touchstone Pictures)
• Bob's Burgers (s15, e1 FOX)
• Breaking Bad (s4, e6 AMC)

Meet author and Enneagram 5, Jess Everlee!

4 books, one for the Head, one for the Heart, and one for the Body, and how about one featuring a couple of Sixes!

Jess shares about figuring out her enneagram number, which ones are the easiest and most difficult for her to write, and about being married to an 8.

"I mistyped my own teen angst as a 4. But, since it was a mistype, it wasn't useful." - JE

All romance lovers need to check out her Lucky Lovers of London series, and you can learn more about Jess at jesseverlee.com

LTM's very own Joey Stabile Schewee is back on The Journey!

Gather everyone around the water cooler in the office and turn up the volume, because you and your team don't want to miss this episode. Joey, enneagram 8, the best enneagram teacher you'll find for the corporate setting shares with the listeners about her work.

• Which number mistypes the most?
• Which number is mistyped as the most?
• Who has the greatest difficulty managing others?
• What do you know about the 4th Step?

Her new book, When Working Together Doesn't Work, comes out in March, but it isn't too early to pre-order. You can pre-order your copy here. It also isn't too late to join us on Saturday, September 27th online or in Dallas to hear Joey teach! Visit lifeinthetrinityministry.com to learn more and sign up. And visit http://wesolutions.life to learn more about Joey and her corporate enneagram teaching.

TODAY'S INTRO

• Corporate (S1, E3 - Comedy Central)
• Office Space (1999, Mike Judge)
• Corporate (S2, E4 - Comedy Central)

Dr. Molly sayyyyyyyyys, you're gonna love this podcast!

Welcome Dr. Molly Brinkmann to The Journey! Enneagram 8, married to an enneagram 6 (Ryan), mother, veterinarian, and social media bad ass. We get a good amount of work talk in, co-parenting as an 8 and a 6, the anxiety of not only sixes, but all numbers, and more. Also a special spot appearance from fellow 8, Joey Schewee.

To learn more about Molly, be sure and give her instagram account a follow, @drmollysays and check out The Dr. Molly Says Podcast!

It is time to hear from Enneagram 8 listeners for a new episode of Others On The Journey! Suzanne and Molly talk about what betrayal means to them and to Eights. We would like to hear from our Enneagram 8 listeners on what betrayal means to you, and if you can give some examples. Visit http://theenneagramjourney.com/contact and leave a voicemail with your response for our next Others On The Journey podcast episode. Heck, this podcast is solitary work that we cannot do alone!

PLUG TIME

When Working Together Doesn't Work with Joey Schewee

Saturday, September 27 / 9:00 am - 4:00 pm

The Micah Center in Dallas or join Online

Join consultant and Enneagram Theorist, Joey Schewee of @enneagramparents, and co-facilitator of The Enneagram For The Modern World Cohort, ahead of the release of her book, When Working Together Doesn't Work: An Enneagram Guide to Productive Relationships with Coworkers, for a day of Enneagram exploration. Joey will guide participants through her impactful take on triads, stances, and the core of her unique body of work: processing centers. Whether you are new to the Enneagram or well-versed in this wisdom, this workshop is thoughtfully designed to give all participants takeaways that are immediately and exponentially applicable.

CLICK HERE TO REGISTER IN PERSON OR ONLINE

Pre-order your copy of When Working Together Doesn't Work here on Amazon

TODAY'S INTRO

• Anxiety by Doechii
• Mean Girls (Paramount Pictures, 2004)
• Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (Columbia Pictures, 2006)

Welcome to The Journey Austin Channing Brown!

Enneagram 9, Austin Channing shares some of her wisdom and experience in this episode, including what we think is a CRAZY story about her time as an enneagram 9 employed at a church.

• Decision Making
• Passive Aggressive Anger
• Repressed Doing
• Foreboding Joy and Artificial Joy (brace yourselves 7s!)
• I'm Still Here and Full Of Myself

Full Of Myself is available soon, so preorder today, and be sure to visit http://austinchanning.com !

Visit http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com to see everything that Suzanne, Joe, and LTM are up to.

• The LTM Enneagram Cohort Program application deadline is September 1!
• Small groups are about to begin, and the next round will start in December 2026
• Enneagram and Spirituality in Charlotte in September
• A Quiet Space every Thursday at The Micah Center
• and so much more!

Today's Intro

• Joy by for King + Country
• The Office (NBC, s2, e8)
• The Office (NBC, s7, e14)

Q&A Episode in the house!

We start the show with a question from an Enneagram 7 married to an Enneagram 1 (that combo comes up a lot!).

"Do I have to keep apologizing for the last 20 years every time I mess up?"

Then we get to talk about:

• 9s with an 8 wing, or are they extroverted, or are they another number?!
• Gut Types
• How each individual number in each Triad deals with Anger, Fear, or Shame
• Essence v Personality
• 9s and Anger
• and more!

Keep the questions coming! You can submit yours at http://theenneagramjourney.org/contact

PLUG TIME

Visithttp://lifeinthetrinityministry.com !

Yup, that's the plug. So much upcoming opportunities, from A Quiet Space every Thursday at The Micah Center, to 2025 Enneagram Bootcamp, to IEA Experience 2025, to new books and new small groups. We want you to be a part of it. So, visit http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com and be a part of a wonderful community!

TODAY'S INTRO

• Captain Phillips (2013, Columbia Pictures)
• Ron Swanson (Parks and Rec, s3, e9)
• Angry Woman (Ashe, 2022)

Live shows in bookstores...we wish every episode could be recorded this way!

Today's episode is almost like 3 episodes rolled into one. We get to meet Arlene Kasselman (enneagram 7), founder of 7&1 Books. Then we get to hear from Jen Rogers (enneagram 8) and learn from her experiences in life, and then chase all of that with some Q&A with the audience.

Find 7&1 books and learn more about them by visiting https://www.sevenandonebooks.com/

“If you haven’t done enneagram work, it’s hard to see value in people that see the world different than you do.” - Jen Rogers

PLUG TIME

•

2025 Enneagram Bootcamp

"What Is Mine To Do?"

August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc

•

IEA Global Conference

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN

https://ieaexperience.com/

•

Spirituality and the Enneagram

ICU Talks in Charlotte, NC

September 5-6, 2025

https://www.lifeinthetrinityministry.com/charlotte

• Book Release Party for Letting Go, Finding You

The Micah Center in Dallas, TX

August 29, 2025

https://www.lifeinthetrinityministry.com/store/p/bookparty

TODAY's INTRO

• 40 Year Old Virgin (2005, Universal Pictures)
• Black Books (s1, e1: Channel 4)
• Pierre Novellie (Chris Ramsey's Stand Up Central)
• The Dragon Slayer Archetype (Europos)

Let's do some math.

2 + 2 - 7 = a great episode of The Enneagram Journey!

Enneagram 2, Jen Hanson, joins fellow 2, Suzanne Stabile on today's show, but we lost our 7 Joel for this one. Don't like the episode too much, it'll hurt his feelings.

• Can you have an enneagram conversation between a couple of Twos without talking about boundaries?
• The strengths of being a Two and working with children and youth.
• Parenting with the struggles of social media.
• Should one of Suzanne's spiritual practices be getting massages regularly?!
• aaaaaaaand more

"How would we measure our value in relationships if it didn't involve our responding to every Feeling with Doing?" - SS

You can find out more about Jen and all of the good going on at Northaven by visiting http://www.northaven.org

PLUG TIME

•

2025 Enneagram Bootcamp

"What Is Mine To Do?"

August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc

•

The King Speaker Series

Enneagram Stances

June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas (Registration closes May 30!)

https://www.1pres.org/kingspeaker

•

IEA Global Conference

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN

https://ieaexperience.com/

• Spirituality and the Enneagram

ICU Talks in Charlotte, NC

September 5-6, 2025

REGISTRATION WILL BE UP SOON!

THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM

Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram

So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/

http://theenneagramjourney.com/

suzannestabile.com

TODAY'S INTRO

• Between 2 Ferns (2019, Netflix)
• Pretty Woman (1990, Touchstone Pictures)
• Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (2001, Paramount)

Russ Hudson is back on the show, and is going to blow your mind!

The show starts with a little catching up, so we get to hear about some of Russ' travels, and we look forward to IEA Experience 2025 that features both Russ and Suzanne!

• How has the Enneagram, or our understanding of the enneagram, evolved over the years?
• Russ shares their 3 rules he and Don had when writing The Wisdom of The Enneagram
• We're not just talking about the 3 Centers of Intelligence today, but also the 3 Body Centers
• Holy Ideas, enneagram and creativity, and more

"You can't get to the Holy Ideas if you don't get landed in your body and heart."

- RH

To learn more about everything Russ has going on, visit http://russhudson.com !

PLUG TIME

•

2025 Enneagram Bootcamp

"What Is Mine To Do?"

August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc

•

The King Speaker Series

Enneagram Stances

June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas

https://www.1pres.org/kingspeaker

•

IEA Global Conference

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN

https://ieaexperience.com/

THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM

Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram

So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/

http://theenneagramjourney.com/

suzannestabile.com

TODAY'S INTRO

• "Yakko's World" (Animaniacs, ep 2 - Warner Bros.)
• Jerry Seinfeld while being interviewed on the red carpet by WUSA 9

Meet Tori Hastings, enneagram 5!

As promised, we are definitely not going to talk about golf, and we are going to talk about somatic therapy, what we do when we get home from our day, what Tori's life looked like over the past 30 years in Alabama, and did Suzanne make a revision to the Centers of Intelligence?

"You don't achieve balance by pushing the top (center of intelligence) down. You achieve balance by pulling the bottom up." - SS

"I don't do much of anything in real time..." - TH

PLUG TIME

•

2025 Enneagram Bootcamp

"What Is Mine To Do?"

August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc

•

The King Speaker Series

Enneagram Stances

June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas

https://www.1pres.org/kingspeaker

•

IEA Global Conference

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN

https://ieaexperience.com/

THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM

Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram

So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/

http://theenneagramjourney.com/

suzannestabile.com

TODAY'S INTRO

• South Park (Comedy Central: s14, e2)
• SNL (NBC: s23, e11)
• SNL (NBC: s17, e7)

Get your pen and paper ready, because this episode is FULL of incredible enneagram teaching from not one BUT TWO! enneagram teachers (and neither are Joel).

Katie Whitlock (3), yes, the daughter of The Enneagram Journey's own Sara Whitlock (2), joins Suzanne in this episode. Seriously, so much good wisdom in this one

• Escaping to the future
• What do you do when you're restless?
• Balance
• Doing Enneagram work, but identifying as the wrong number
• Do you respond to strangers online?
• Some input from Joey Schewee aka @enneagramparents
• and more!

"Functional is not good enough. You should want more than functional." - KW

PLUG TIME

•

2025 Enneagram Bootcamp

"What Is Mine To Do?"

August 7-9, 2025 in Dallas or join Online

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com/2025ebc

•

The King Speaker Series

Enneagram Stances

June 6-7, 2025 in Fort Smith, Arkansas

https://www.1pres.org/kingspeaker

•

IEA Global Conference

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

July 24-27 in Minneapolis, MN

https://ieaexperience.com/

THE 2026 LTM COHORT PROGRAM

Apply today! Apply tomorrow! Apply anytime before September! Just don't miss out on the possibility of being a part of an incredible community of people growing and increasing compassion in the world.

lifeinthetrinityministry.com/cohortprogram

So many good resources, tools, and opportunities can be found at:

http://lifeinthetrinityministry.com

http://theenneagramjourney.com

suzannestabile.com

TODAY'S INTRO

• The Departed (2006 Warner Bros.)
• Laura Addis on TEJ Podcast
• F.R.I.E.N.D.S (NBC, s3 e18)