The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Are you putting more effort into looking successful than into actually getting there?

As part of the “Road to the Summit,” a special series ramping up to the 2026 Game Changers Summit this November 11-12, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re throwing it back to the 2024 Game Changers Summit, where Eric Thomas, acclaimed author and motivational speaker, took the stage to share what it takes to keep climbing when everyone else has settled.

Eric Thomas has been getting up at 3 a.m. for more than 30 years, and he makes the case that staying power matters more than talent. Using the hunting habits of lions and African wild dogs, he shows why the best results go to the people who outlast the competition and bring a team along. He also shares the personal story behind what drives him every time he steps on a stage.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• Why competitive stamina matters more than talent, speed, or strength
• How to build a team that matches your level of intensity
• What it takes to stay mentally tough when things stop going your way

If you are ready to do the difficult thing everyone around you keeps avoiding, this episode will show you where to start.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:46) Why ET Wakes Up at 3 A.M.
(00:03:34) Whatever It Takes
(00:04:21) Eagles Fly Above the Crowd
(00:05:53) Lions vs. African Wild Dogs
(00:07:21) Competitive Stamina Defined
(00:08:55) 12 Years to a 4-Year Degree
(00:11:04) Find Difficult and Master It
(00:12:25) Why Teams Win as a Pack
(00:13:00) Study Your Clients Up Close
(00:14:47) A Culture of Difficulty
(00:16:49) Beast Mode, No Matter What
(00:17:57) Looking vs. Being Successful
(00:18:31) Start Behind, Finish Ahead
(00:20:10) Three Things to Write Down

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Links & Resources:

• Eric Thomas
• Chris Paul
• African wild dog
• Oakwood University

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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What’s the one excuse you’ve been giving yourself long enough that you’ve started believing it?

As part of the “Road to the Summit,” a special series ramping up to the 2026 Game Changers Summit this November 11-12, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re throwing it back to the 2022 Game Changers Summit, where Camille Vasquez, litigation attorney best known for her work on the high-profile defamation trial between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, took the stage for a conversation with Jessica Mogill.

Camille Vasquez had tried about five jury trials before she found herself at the center of one of the biggest courtroom stories in recent memory. She shares how preparation, teamwork, and listening carried her through, and how life changed once the whole world knew her name.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• Why overpreparing builds confidence when you are underestimated
• How teamwork and active listening hold up under intense pressure
• What it takes to protect your reputation in the court of public opinion

Whether or not cameras are ever in your courtroom, your reputation is being judged outside of it.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:14) Why Camille chose law
(00:03:07) Authenticity wins with juries
(00:04:08) Learning from Robert Shapiro
(00:07:18) Joining the Depp trial
(00:08:33) Teamwork under pressure
(00:12:16) Cross-examining Amber Heard
(00:13:50) Why she never feared losing
(00:14:45) How fame changed her life
(00:16:52) Using criticism as fuel
(00:17:50) The court of public opinion
(00:19:18) What’s next and giving back
(00:20:53) What keeps her going
(00:22:45) Landing a high-profile case
(00:24:34) What being a game changer means

Links & Resources:

• Camille Vasquez
• Johnny Depp
• Amber Heard
• Depp v. Heard
• Robert Shapiro
• O.J. Simpson murder case
• Laura Wasser

Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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What’s the one excuse you’ve been giving yourself long enough that you’ve started believing it?

As part of the “Road to the Summit,” a special series ramping up to the 2026 Game Changers Summit this November 11-12, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re throwing it back to the 2025 Game Changers Summit, where Kyle Maynard, award-winning extreme athlete and quadruple amputee, took the stage to share the mindset that got him up some of the tallest mountains in the world.

Born without lower arms and legs, Kyle built a career as a wrestler, powerlifter, and mixed martial artist before taking on peaks most able-bodied climbers wouldn’t attempt. In this presentation, he breaks down how a near-failure on Mount Aconcagua became one of the most meaningful days of his life, and why focusing on the next three feet applies just as much to running a law firm as it does to climbing a mountain.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• Why discipline isn’t about five-year plans, but about the next three feet in front of you
• How to turn panic and self-doubt into fuel instead of an excuse to quit
• What it takes to stop waiting for permission and build your own version of “no excuses”

Whatever mountain you’re staring down this year, remember you only ever have to make it up three feet at a time.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:48) There Are No Excuses
(00:05:37) When the Plan Falls Apart
(00:09:32) Three Feet at a Time
(00:13:37) The Boulder and Wanting to Quit
(00:17:46) Taught to Be Normal, Not Coddled
(00:19:41) Learning to Dress Himself at 15
(00:22:31) Grandma’s Grocery Store Lesson
(00:26:54) Consistency Beats Everything
(00:29:04) Losing His First 35 Matches
(00:31:19) Fighting in the MMA Cage
(00:34:24) The Monkey Mind
(00:41:44) One Shot at the Summit
(00:44:04) Wanting to Find Out If It’s Possible
(00:46:04) Standing on the Roof of South America
(00:48:50) Closing Thoughts and Free Resources

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Links & Resources:

• No Excuses: The True Story of a Congenital Amputee Who Became a Champion in Wrestling and in Life by Kyle Maynard
• A Fighting Chance
• David Goggins
• Richard Machowicz
• Mike Tyson

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Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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How long has your team known what you should do before you finally did it?

As part of the “Road to the Summit,” a special series ramping up to the 2026 Game Changers Summit this November 11-12, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re throwing it back to the 2024 Game Changers Summit, where Kat Cole, CEO of AG1 and former president of Cinnabon, took the stage to share what she has learned about driving innovation.

Starting as a Hooters hostess at 17 and going on to run some of the best-known brands in the world, Kat’s story is a lesson in acting on what is already in front of you. Her advice is simple: ask your team what to change, then act on what they say.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• Why your success can hide the changes that matter most
• How to ask your team three questions that show what to stop, start, and change
• What it takes to move a hesitant team from fear to action

Someone on your team has probably already spotted the fix you haven’t gotten to yet.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:03:23) From Hooters hostess to CEO
(00:04:48) Why she took over AG1
(00:09:18) Cinnabon amid a recession
(00:11:53) Staying close to the action
(00:12:33) The three questions to ask
(00:16:02) Level up while winning
(00:20:17) Franchisees threaten to sue
(00:22:47) The fear of trading down
(00:26:11) From fear to action
(00:29:31) Back the productive rebels
(00:31:46) The cost of moving too fast
(00:32:31) A childhood in Jacksonville
(00:35:41) What took you so long?
(00:37:50) The Hot Shot Rule
(00:41:15) Your past is not your anchor

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Links & Resources:

• Kat Cole
• AG1
• Hooters
• Focus Brands
• Baked by Melissa
• Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara
• Behavioral economics
• Great Recession

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Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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Every doubter, copycat, and competitor you've ever resented just handed you free fuel, whether they meant to or not.

In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill field three listener questions about the people who doubt you, copy you, and measure themselves against you. They cover what to do when a skeptical father-in-law finally comes around, how to respond when a rival firm copies your playbook move for move, and why checking in on the competition too often can work against you. At the end of the day, the less energy you spend on other people's opinions and other people's moves, the more you have left to build something nobody else can touch.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why taking the high road beats getting even, no matter how satisfying revenge might feel
• How to respond when a competitor copies your playbook move for move
• What comparing yourself to everyone else is actually costing you

Stop handing your energy to people who don't deserve it, and start spending it on the business only you can build.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:29) Gratitude after a near-miss bike crash
(00:06:56) A skeptical father-in-law comes around
(00:10:42) When a rival copies your playbook
(00:13:39) When competitive tracking goes too far
(00:15:34) Comparison really is the thief of joy

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Links & Resources:

• Warren Buffett
• Berkshire Hathaway
• Richistan by Robert Frank
• For All Mankind

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Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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What if the only thing standing between you and your billion-dollar idea is the fear of looking ridiculous?

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Richard Montañez, the man behind the creation of Flamin' Hot Cheetos, to unpack the mindset that took him from a janitor at Frito-Lay to a billion-dollar brand builder. Richard shares the childhood lessons, the risks he took, and the relentless hunger that drove him to create opportunity where none existed. He makes the case that owning your background instead of hiding it is what separates the people who break through from the ones who stay stuck.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• Why opportunity has to be created, not waited for
• How to spot the idea everyone else is too "expert" to see
• What it takes to grow from pioneer to settler to purposeful leader

Stop waiting for someone to hand you an opportunity and go create your own.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:59) Hunger Is the Antidote to Fear
(00:09:22) It's Not About How Smart You Are
(00:14:28) Judy and the Power of Partnership
(00:23:10) Pioneers, Settlers, and Mentorship
(00:29:33) Act Like an Owner
(00:36:08) Earning Trust Before Earning a Title
(00:39:15) The Spark Behind Flamin' Hot Cheetos
(00:47:38) Calling the CEO Himself
(00:51:53) Walking Into the Big Presentation
(00:53:42) Finding the Courage to Stand Out
(01:02:02) Bringing the Story to the Big Screen
(01:05:33) What It Means to Be a Game Changer

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Links & Resources:

• Flamin' Hot: The Incredible True Story of One Man's Rise from Janitor to Top Executive by Richard Montañez
• Flamin' Hot (2023 film)
• Eva Longoria
• DeVon Franklin
• Roger Enrico
• Bob Iger
• PepsiCo

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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A polished interview, a stack of glowing references, and an impressive resume can still land you the wrong leader for your firm.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill dig into why leadership hires and promotions so often go wrong. From the star litigator who wants the corner office to the polished executive who interviews beautifully and then underdelivers once they're in the seat, they trace the gap between performing well and leading well. This episode is a practical playbook for testing competency before you hand someone your team.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why your best performer might be the wrong pick to lead your team
• How to test a candidate's leadership skills before you commit to the hire
• What actually separates a great interview from real competency

Your next leadership decision is too expensive to leave to a good interview alone.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:27) New Gadgets Worth Watching This Season
(00:06:27) Going Analog: The Tin Can Phone
(00:08:57) When Your Top Performer Backfires
(00:14:23) Why Big-Firm Hires Don't Always Fit
(00:17:49) Testing for Real Leadership Competency
(00:20:32) Getting Honest References Out of People
(00:21:52) Closing Thoughts

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Links & Resources:

• The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist
• iPhone Duo
• Apple Vision Pro
• Dyson toothbrush
• James Dyson
• Eight Sleep Pod 6
• Tin Can
• Dark Matter
• Tim Cook
• John Ternus

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Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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What is it costing your firm every time a client walks away feeling like a case number instead of a person who was truly heard?

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with human connection expert Riaz Meghji to unpack why so many law firms lose clients they never realized were drifting away. Riaz shares the five habits behind his bestselling book, Every Conversation Counts, and why disconnection was spreading through workplaces and relationships long before the pandemic gave it a name. This is a conversation about what it actually takes to make clients, teammates, and family feel truly seen.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why certainty in high-stakes conversations pushes clients and teammates away instead of building trust
• How to tell the difference between sharing from the wound and sharing from the scar as a leader
• What it takes to make your team and clients feel genuinely seen, not just heard

Somebody in your life is waiting for you to ask a better question.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:25) The loneliness pandemic before COVID
(00:05:37) From awkward teen to TV host
(00:14:06) Ask for stories, not answers
(00:18:56) Habit 1: Listening without distraction
(00:22:04) Accepting bids for connection
(00:26:20) Habit 2: Making small talk bigger
(00:33:21) Habit 3: The perfect persona
(00:38:13) Habit 4: Being assertively empathetic
(00:44:49) Habit 5: Making people feel famous

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Links & Resources:

• Every Conversation Counts: The 5 Habits of Human Connection That Build Extraordinary Relationships by Riaz Meghji
• The Conscious Parent by Dr. Shefali Tsabary
• Raising Conscious Sons by Dr. Shefali Tsabary
• John Gottman
• Chris Voss
• Hugh Jackman
• Arsenio Hall

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Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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After 500 episodes, these are the twenty conversations that changed how we think about winning.

To celebrate 500 episodes of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill brings together twenty of the show's most unforgettable guests, including trial lawyers, entrepreneurs, and elite performers, for a single milestone episode built around the lessons that have shaped how we think about winning. It spans courtroom strategy, business scaling, and the mental game behind sustained excellence, distilling years of insight into one episode.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why grit, humility, and discipline separate legends from everyone else
• How to make high-pressure decisions the way elite trial lawyers, founders, and performers do
• What it takes to build a legacy that outlasts any single win

500 episodes came down to this: the twenty conversations worth revisiting for the rest of your career.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:35) John Morgan: The Fork in the Road
(00:12:08) Brian Panish: Day of the Verdict
(00:22:11) Nick Rowley: Learning From Losses
(00:31:40) Camille Vasquez: Staying Authentic
(00:41:42) Marcus Lemonis: The 3 P's of Business
(00:53:35) Kat Cole: From Hostess to CEO
(01:08:58) Verne Harnish: Scaling Past Plateaus
(01:20:47) Dan Martell: Buying Back Your Time
(01:30:18) Kevin O'Leary: What Makes Him Invest
(01:41:53) Kim Scott: Bias, Prejudice, Bullying
(01:53:40) John Maxwell: Leadership Is Influence
(02:02:30) Ryan Holiday: What You Can Control
(02:12:02) Robert Greene: The Art of Persuasion
(02:24:13) Morgan Housel: The Psychology of Money
(02:31:37) Jesse Cole: Doing the Opposite
(02:41:34) Andy Glaze: Running as Punishment
(02:51:29) Kristen Holmes: Sustainable Performance
(03:03:06) Tim Grover: Define Winning in One Word
(03:14:22) Alex Hormozi: What Founders Get Wrong
(03:24:24) David Goggins: Taking Souls

Links & Resources:

• John Morgan
• Brian Panish
• Nick Rowley
• Camille Vasquez
• The Depp v. Heard defamation trial
• Marcus Lemonis
• The Profit (CNBC)
• Kat Cole
• Verne Harnish
• Scaling Up by Verne Harnish
• Dan Martell
• Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell
• Kevin O'Leary
• Shark Tank
• Kim Scott
• Radical Candor by Kim Scott
• John Maxwell
• Ryan Holiday
• The Obstacle Is the Way by Ryan Holiday
• Robert Greene
• The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene
• Morgan Housel
• The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel
• Jesse Cole
• Andy Glaze
• Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong by Andy Glaze
• Dr. Kristen Holmes
• Tim Grover
• Relentless by Tim Grover
• Alex Hormozi
• David Goggins
• Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins

Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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What if the key to unlocking your law firm’s full potential wasn’t in the resumes you review but in understanding how your team is instinctively wired to take action?

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill is joined by David Kolbe, CEO of Kolbe Corp and a thought leader in conative assessments. David shares his journey from the legal field to becoming an influential figure in helping organizations understand and harness instinctive strengths through the Kolbe assessment. The discussion dives into his insights on team dynamics, revealing the potential of both professional success and personal satisfaction by understanding one’s inherent strengths.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• How understanding conative strengths through the Kolbe assessment can lead to increased productivity and job satisfaction
• Why aligning team roles with natural inclinations reduces burnout and enhances overall firm efficiency and growth
• How leveraging Kolbe insights can improve both professional relationships and personal dynamics, leading to more harmonious and effective interactions

This episode holds the game plan for building a cohesive, motivated, and insanely effective team - the kind of team that doesn’t just help you grow, but helps you dominate your market.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:29) Why David Kolbe left legal practice
(00:04:34) The three parts of the mind
(00:10:00) Why your natural strengths don't change
(00:12:16) The hidden energy cost of certain tasks
(00:18:18) Using Kolbe to make better hires
(00:28:24) Building a team with complementary talents
(00:31:37) Using Kolbe to strengthen relationships
(00:41:47) When the right person is in the wrong role
(00:46:20) AI and the future of human strengths

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Links & Resources:

• Kolbe
• Myers-Briggs (MBTI)
• DiSCStrategic Coach and Kolbe - Mastering the People Component™
• Predictive Index
• LSAT
• SAT
• EOS
• Florence
• Mykonos
• AI
• ChatGPT

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Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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The fastest way to kill a good initiative inside your law firm is to bring in too many decision-makers and give them no deadline.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer listener questions about why good ideas stall inside law firms, when impatience is an advantage versus a liability, and what effective delegation actually requires.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why reducing the number of decision-makers is the fastest way to eliminate operational friction
• How setting deadlines and working backwards from a go-live date forces real execution
• When a high-upside initiative deserves patience and when low returns signal you should move on
• Why delegating without clear context and constraints puts the outcome outside your control

If speed and patience feel like opposites inside your firm, this conversation will sharpen how and when to use both.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:00:54) Best Time to Be Alive
(00:06:04) AMA Setup
(00:07:02) Q1: Getting Your Firm to Move Faster
(00:09:44) Fewer Decision-Makers, More Speed
(00:10:18) Deadlines Force Action
(00:14:00) Q2: Impatience vs. Long-Term ROI
(00:17:00) High Upside Deserves More Runway
(00:20:00) Q3: Delegating With Clear Context
(00:23:00) ICs vs. Leaders
(00:26:00) Wrap Up

Links & Resources:

• Game Changers Summit 2026

Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at http://crispcoach.com.

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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Time management will only take you so far. The real edge comes from managing your energy.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Klaus Kleinfeld, the only executive to have served as CEO of two Fortune 500 companies on two continents. Years ago, Klaus watched a founder he knew collapse on the floor just weeks after closing a major funding round. That moment pushed him to put his leadership philosophy into his book, Leading to Thrive: Mastering Strategies for Sustainable Success in Business and Life. Klaus walks through the energy management framework that grew out of moments like that one, and why he's convinced discipline alone is never enough to sustain a career.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why pushing through exhaustion leads to worse decisions, not better ones
• How simple breathing techniques help executives stay in control during high-stakes negotiations
• What separates brutal, effective criticism from criticism that just shuts a team down

This episode is the reminder every overscheduled leader needs: energy, not time, is the resource that actually runs out.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:51) Why Klaus decided to write his book
(00:04:53) Inner game vs. outer game explained
(00:06:33) Time management vs. energy management
(00:09:25) The four sources of energy
(00:15:48) How to recharge and build micro-habits
(00:19:27) Reframing stress through breathing
(00:22:52) CEO of two Fortune 500 companies
(00:28:27) Five pillars of a high-performance team
(00:32:43) Leading Alcoa through a commodity crash
(00:36:05) What's next for Klaus

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Links & Resources:

• Leading to Thrive: Mastering Strategies for Sustainable Success in Business and Life by Klaus Kleinfeld
• Jeff Bezos
• Elon Musk
• Omni Biotic Life
• Alcoa

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If your team keeps bringing you problems instead of solutions, the pattern started with you, not them.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three listener questions that all trace back to the same root problem: staying stuck in reactive mode. From training a team to solve its own problems to enforcing adherence to a process everyone claims to support, this episode unpacks why solving fires as they come keeps a firm from ever building the systems that prevent them.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why solving every problem for your team keeps them from solving any problem on their own
• How one four-word question shifts a team from asking to thinking
• What it actually takes to enforce adherence to a process your team already has

Your team's problem-solving muscle only grows if you stop doing the lifting for them.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:05:39) Why your team hands you problems
(00:06:32) The four-word question that fixes it
(00:10:10) The intake leak that keeps returning
(00:13:51) Firefighter ego vs. proactive leadership
(00:15:44) Lay the groundwork now

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Links & Resources:

• Dyson CameraJet

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The instinct that built your practice from scratch is the same instinct that's keeping it dependent on you.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sam Goodner, a former officer in the Swiss Special Forces who went on to build and sell multiple technology companies, including Catapult Systems and Flash Parking. A call about his father's cancer diagnosis once pulled Sam out of his business for five weeks. He came back to find his team running things better without him, and realized he'd been the bottleneck all along. Now the author of Like Clockwork: Run Your Business with Swiss Army Precision, Sam breaks down how founders can build a practice that runs independently of them, from staging decision rights to designing a first day that sets the tone for years.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why the best predictor of future performance is a candidate's past, not a hypothetical answer
• What it takes to train your own replacement before anyone asks you to
• How codifying your best practices lets you step out of the day-to-day without losing quality

If your firm still runs through you on every decision, this episode shows exactly where to start letting go.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:23) From Texas to Swiss Special Forces
(00:06:17) Time-telling vs. clock-building
(00:09:08) The call that exposed the bottleneck
(00:13:53) A special forces first day
(00:19:58) Cultural indoctrination day
(00:22:27) Codifying your best practices
(00:29:10) The topgrading interview method
(00:31:18) Training your own replacement
(00:42:12) Be different, not better

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Links & Resources:

• Like Clockwork: Run Your Business with Swiss Army Precision by Sam Goodner
• Sam Goodner
• Built to Last by Jim Collins
• Good to Great by Jim Collins
• Atomic Habits by James Clear
• Topgrading by Bradford D. Smart
• Scaling Up by Verne Harnish

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What if not wanting to be a leader is exactly what makes you a good one?

In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three questions law firm owners keep sending in: why good employees walk out the door even after a raise, whether leadership can really be taught, and what to do when you catch yourself repeating the exact behavior you swore you'd never repeat. It's a candid conversation about what it actually takes to lead people, even when leading was never the plan.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why turnover in your firm rarely comes down to one cause
• How to lead your team when management never came naturally
• What it takes to stop repeating the leadership habits you swore you'd avoid

The best leaders never stop asking whether they could be better.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:21) Why We Go To Bed At 8:30
(00:04:47) Why Discipline Feels Like Freedom
(00:08:09) Diagnosing Sudden Employee Turnover
(00:11:42) Exit And Stay Interviews Explained
(00:15:12) Can Leadership Really Be Learned?
(00:18:31) Why Leading Yourself Comes First
(00:19:54) When You Become The Boss You Hated
(00:22:44) The Power Of Asking What's The Argument

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Links & Resources:

• Discipline Equals Freedom: Field Manual by Jocko Willink
• Shark Tank

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Eddy Arriola has built and sold multiple companies, and by his own account, he did it without ever being the smartest person in the room.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eddy Arriola, founder of Apollo Bank and author of It's All About Relationships, to talk about the real driver behind his companies' success: the people around him. Eddy walks through the six categories of relationships every leader has to manage, why pausing before you react can save a partnership, and how trust is what actually holds a growing business together, more than authority ever will. It's a grounded, practical look at how the best leaders build the kind of teams and networks that carry them through hard times.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why relationships, not strategy or capital, are what actually scale a business
• How to build trust with your team instead of just demanding compliance
• Why pausing before reacting can save your most important partnerships

Your business will only grow as fast as the relationships holding it together, so start building the right ones today.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:39) Growing up in an immigrant family
(00:04:16) Starting Inktel in 1997
(00:10:38) A mentor who opened doors
(00:12:49) Earning credibility in banking
(00:15:46) Why he wrote the book
(00:18:16) The six key relationships
(00:23:43) The hardest relationship to build
(00:27:21) The CARPET framework
(00:30:16) The power of the pause
(00:32:48) Trust over authority
(00:33:49) Relationship with yourself
(00:37:22) The Mr. Cooper story
(00:40:38) The biggest lesson he's learned

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Links & Resources:

• It's All About Relationships: Mastering the Art of Relational Leadership by Eddy Arriola
• Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott

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Most entrepreneurs are surrounded by people who love them and still have no idea what they're going through.

In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack why building a business can feel so lonely, even when you're surrounded by people who care about you. They answer three listener questions: how to close the gap with a spouse who can't fully relate, why chasing a challenge outside the business keeps you sharper inside it, and why family members and peers are rarely equipped to give meaningful advice. Michael's advice is simple: stop trying to get people to understand, and go find people who already do.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why the people who love you most still can't relate to what you're building
• How to invest in yourself in a way most entrepreneurs overlook
• Where to find people who've actually lived what you're going through

Feeling isolated right now doesn't mean something's wrong. You just haven't found your people yet.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:47) Starting the Show With House Music
(00:06:30) Q1: Business Straining My Marriage
(00:10:31) Marriage Is 100/100, Not 50/50
(00:14:32) Q2: The Most Underrated Investment
(00:15:10) Find a Challenge Outside the Business
(00:17:08) Q3: When Your Spouse Can't Relate
(00:17:51) Stop Seeking Advice From Civilians
(00:22:00) Business Is Hard, Suffering Is Optional

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Links & Resources:

• Hyrox
• Ironman Triathlon

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The same instincts that make a great lawyer can be the exact thing keeping them from asking for help.

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Brian Cuban, an attorney, author, and long-term recovery advocate, for a raw account of the depression, eating disorder, and addiction that nearly ended his life, and the moment he finally chose to fight for it. Brian pulls back the curtain on what drives so many lawyers toward substance abuse in silence, and why the legal profession's culture of strength makes it one of the hardest places to ask for help. This is a candid look at what recovery actually requires, and what it means to build a profession where struggling colleagues don't have to hide.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why lawyers face a higher risk of addiction, and why the profession makes it so hard to admit it
• How to spot the early warning signs before they become a rock-bottom moment
• What it takes to build a compassionate community that helps colleagues before they have to hit bottom

Brian walked back from the edge. His story is here for anyone who needs to know it's possible.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:04:05) A childhood shaped by shame
(00:14:55) Choosing law school to hide
(00:27:04) His brother steps in to help
(00:33:38) Trading tickets for cocaine
(00:41:23) His first 12-step meeting
(00:43:58) Writing The Addicted Lawyer
(00:47:23) Addiction's toll on lawyers
(00:53:43) Why compassion matters most
(01:00:00) Careers rebuild, lives can't

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Links & Resources:

• Brian Cuban
• The Addicted Lawyer: Tales of the Bar, Booze, Blow, and Redemption by Brian Cuban
• Mark Cuban
• Texas Lawyers Assistance Program (TLAP)
• 2016 ABA/Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation study on lawyer well-being
• Karen Carpenter

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Consistency isn't a personality trait. It's the product of commitments you refuse to negotiate and environments that won't let you coast.

In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill dig into why most law firm owners plateau not because of talent or effort, but because they've outgrown the peers around them. From honoring the commitments you made when you were clear-headed to seeking out rooms where friction and accountability are features (not bugs), this conversation is a blueprint for the kind of consistency that compounds over years, not weeks.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why the commitments you make when motivated can't be renegotiated when you're not
• How to identify and seek out high-friction environments that attract higher-caliber peers
• What it takes to build systems that outlast motivation and make consistency automatic

If you've been coasting on talent and wondering why results have flatlined, this episode will help you level up.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:39) The Power of Consistency
(00:05:57) Systems Over Motivation
(00:07:29) Nine Years of Daily Journaling
(00:09:13) Q1: Outgrowing Your Peer Network
(00:12:09) High-Friction Environments Win
(00:14:04) Q2: What's New at the Summit
(00:16:24) Q3: How to Keep Growing as a Leader
(00:18:54) Curiosity as a Practiced Skill

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Links & Resources:

• BoJack Horseman
• Conor McGregor
• EO (Entrepreneurs' Organization)
• YPO (Young Presidents' Organization)
• Tiger 21

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Winning a hand doesn't mean you played it well. Losing one doesn't mean you didn't.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Annie Duke, former professional poker player, World Series of Poker bracelet winner, and best-selling author of Thinking in Bets and Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away, to talk about why a great decision can still end in a loss, how confirmation bias hides behind our smartest instincts, and what it actually takes to know when to walk away.

Here's what you'll learn:

• Why a good decision can still produce a bad outcome, and a bad one can still win
• How confirmation bias convinces smart people they've already got it right
• What it takes to know the difference between grit that pays off and grit that's costing you

Good decisions and good outcomes are not the same thing. This episode will help you tell them apart.

(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:02:33) Why Annie returned to finish her PhD
(00:04:48) How Annie built a $4M poker career
(00:14:56) Why good decisions can have bad outcomes
(00:20:16) Inside Pete Carroll's controversial call
(00:27:29) Why confirmation bias feels so good
(00:35:16) Why smart people have bigger blind spots
(00:37:17) Why waste is a forward-looking problem
(00:40:22) When grit stops being a virtue
(00:42:59) How mental time travel aids decisions

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Links & Resources:

• Annie Duke
• Thinking in Bets by Annie Duke
• Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away by Annie Duke
• Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
• Grit by Angela Duckworth
• Confirmation bias
• Pete Carroll

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