The Holly Pivec Podcast

Was Alisa Childers right to warn people about Josh Howerton and Josh McPherson’s teachings on church leadership? By the time you finish listening to this episode, you’ll not only know whether Alisa’s warning was justified, but you’ll also learn 3 specific markers of dangerous, apostle-style church governance—even when pastors don't explicitly use the word "apostle."

📌 Episode OverviewIn this episode, we break down the online debate that erupted after Alisa Childers shared a clip from the Resurge podcast, hosted by Josh Howerton (Lakepointe Church) and Josh McPherson (Grace City Church / Stronger Man Nation).

While defenders accuse Alisa of slander, misrepresentation, and "barking up the wrong tree," a closer look at Howerton and McPherson's statements reveals a deeply concerning shift toward New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)-style top-down governance.

Drawing on over two decades of research into the NAR movement and co-authoring four books on the topic, I walk through the original podcast, address recent rebuttals, analyze Howerton's statements on "convening apostles," and show why Alisa’s warnings are fully warranted.

🔑 Key Takeaways & Discussion PointsThe 3 Markers of NAR Governance in the Church:

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The Role of the Senior Pastor: How viewing the lead pastor as the uniquely "anointed" man at the top mirrors NAR apostolic authority.

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The Demotion of Elder Boards: Moving away from biblical team oversight and shepherding toward military-style chain-of-command structures ("lieutenants" vs. "privates").

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The "Wartime Church" Rationale: Using societal or spiritual culture wars to justify stripping checks and balances and demanding undivided authority.

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CEO Model vs. NAR Governance: Why their statements go far beyond a standard corporate structure and tap into dangerous spiritual dynamics.

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Evaluating the Rebuttals: Analyzing Howerton’s Instagram statements, his definition of "little-a" / "convening" apostles, and his recent podcasts.

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Culture & Response: What the aggressive backlash, shaming, and hand-waving against Alisa Childers reveal about top-down authoritarian church structures.

💬 Join the Conversation

Have you encountered these top-down or "wartime" leadership dynamics in your own church background? Do you think elder boards should retain a shepherding and accountability role?

Can Christians in a spiritually mismatched marriage preserve their union while keeping a clear conscience before God?

In this episode, Holly explores the tension that occurs in marriages when one spouse is part of the New Apostolic Reformation and the other is not.

She unpacks what a "spiritual mismatch" is through 1 Corinthians 7, where Paul instructs believers who are married to an unbeliever, and she shows how his advice can also apply to those believers who are married to someone in NAR. She also examines conscience and authority through Acts 5:29 and the examples of Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, and Daniel, concluding that obedience to God comes before human authority, and that marriage vows never require participating in false teaching.

In this episode, you'll learn:

* What a spiritual mismatch is and its implications in a marriage.

* What to do if you are in a mismatched marriage, based on 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 and Acts 5:29.

* How Acts 5:29 warns against joining others in disobedience to God.

* How to handle the tough issues arising from a spiritually mismatched marriage.

* The importance of keeping your conscience clean before God.

Have you or someone you love ever faced a spiritually mismatched marriage? Tell us about it in the comments.

Resources & Links:

Join Holly's Substack Book Club: https://hollypivec.substack.com

Read more about NAR tactics in Holly's co-authored book, Counterfeit Kingdom: https://a.co/d/08kKR5j9

#christianpodcasting #NAR #christianmarriage #falseteachers

Doctrinal soundness, quite simply, is not enough. A church can be biblically sound and still be led by unaccountable, unhealthy leadership.

In this episode, Holly breaks down three fundamental characteristics of healthy leadership, highlighting the importance of accountability, transparency, and character traits drawn from 1 Timothy 3:1–7 and Titus 1:5–9. These passages show us how to discern whether a church's leadership is actually healthy beyond biblical soundness.

In this episode, you'll learn:

- Why "doctrinally sound" doesn't necessarily mean "safe"

- The pervasive reality of "paper elders" who do not hold the senior pastor accountable

- What 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 actually require of elders

- Why governing bylaws are essential (and how they are often neglected)

- The authoritarianism test: Do your leaders truly welcome questions?

Resources & Links:

Join Holly's Substack Book Club: https://hollypivec.substack.com

Read more about NAR tactics in Holly's co-authored book, Counterfeit Kingdom: https://a.co/d/08kKR5j9

Have you ever experienced "paper elder" leadership: strong in theory, but impotent in practice? Tell us in the comments.

#christianpodcasting #NAR #healthytheology #apologetics #falseteachers

How do you know if a church is actually solid? In this episode, Holly breaks down what to look for: biblically sound teaching and healthy leadership, not perfection.

She walks through the warning signs of deviant doctrines like the "prosperity gospel" and NAR teachings, and shares a practical filter for reading a church's statement of faith. Does it show real reverence for Scripture? Are there red flags pointing to NAR influence?

For anyone struggling to find a biblically sound community, Holly offers practical advice. And for those already rooted in a good church, the call is to dig in and serve, not just sit back

In this episode, you’ll learn:

* What Makes a Church Biblically Sound

* A Mature Believer’s Role

* Denominational Flexibility & the Importance of Fellowship

* Why You Should Evaluate Teachings & Statements of Faith

Resources & Links:

Join Holly’s Substack Book Club: hollypivec.substack.com

Read more about NAR tactics in Holly’s book, Counterfeit Kingdom: https://a.co/d/08kKR5j9

#NAR #KathrynKrick #Discernment #FalseTeachers #Apologetics

Kathryn Krick, the 35-year-old lead pastor of 5F Church in Los Angeles, has gone viral for her dramatic deliverance services, theatrical style, and followers laying gifts at her feet. But while critics label her a "cult leader," many are missing a much bigger threat. In this episode, Holly reveals the critical mistake people make when evaluating flashy figures like Krick: assuming the danger is limited to sensational performers. Behind Krick’s viral clips is a core doctrine standard across the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)—the "Fivefold Ministry." Holly breaks down how NAR teachings, apostolic authority, and coded language like "Mama" and "Papa" are being promoted by soft-spoken, seemingly balanced pastors in local churches nationwide.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

* Why Katherine Krick’s viral book-signing and 5F Church reflect standard NAR doctrine.

* What the "Fivefold Ministry" doctrine actually teaches—and how Ephesians 4:11 is taken out of context.

* The hidden meaning behind titles like "Mama," "Papa," and laying gifts at a leader's feet.

* Why "subtle" NAR churches can be even more dangerous than high-profile, theatrical leaders.

Resources & Links:

Join Holly’s Substack Book Club: hollypivec.substack.com

Read more about NAR tactics in Holly’s book, Counterfeit Kingdom: https://a.co/d/08kKR5j9

#NAR #KathrynKrick #Discernment #FalseTeachers #Apologetics

In this special "On My Radar," episode, I dive into key issues surrounding the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and why biblical discernment is more urgent than ever.

I address a commonly asked question: Are prosperity gospel teachings connected with NAR? From there, I discuss recent revelations surrounding Brian Simmons and The Passion Translation, asking why it often takes plagiarism allegations or public scandals for eyes to open, when false teaching should be tested against Scripture first.

Drawing from Acts 17:11 and Revelation 2, I show what true Berean discernment looks like—and why Christians must test claims, prophecies, and leaders against God's Word before major harm is done.

TIMESTAMPS

Prosperity Gospel and the NAR Movement Connection - 0:00

Prosperity Gospel in NAR Churches - 4:39

The Passion Translation and NAR Influence - 6:31

Historical Warnings about TPT and Current Realizations - 9:41

Encouragement for Biblical Discernment - 13:43

Join Holly's Substack community for more on discernment and the New Apostolic Reformation: https://substack.com/@hollypivec

Have these false doctrines affected your walk with Christ? If so, how?

Let us know in the comments 🙌

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#ProsperityGospel #NewApostolicReformation #BiblicalDiscernment #FalseTeachings #ChristianApologetics

We Left the Mission Field: The Reality of "Beyond" and the Theological Drift in Modern Missions

Why would an ethusiastic, committed missionary couple walk away from their life’s work? In this deep-dive, two-part interview, Aaron and Chelsea Hunter share their jarring experience with the missions organization "Beyond." They reveal how the pressures to "hear God's voice" and document numerical growth have led to a "Jesus Hermeneutic" that replaces sound doctrine with subjective impressions, and why they believe these "Church Planting Movements" are hindering the gospel and world missions.

Watch to discover:

The perceived tension between "theological purity" vs. "reaching the nations."

A first-hand account of when "Discovery Bible Studies" bypass God's objective Word in Scripture.

The dangers of "Listening Prayer" and New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) influence on the mission field.

Advice for churches and aspiring missionaries on how to select sound missions organizations to partner with.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Introduction to the Hunters' Missionary Journey

03:13 Understanding Beyond: The Organization's Role in Missions

06:01 Concerns Arising: The Influence of YWAM

08:53 "Hearing God's Voice": The Central Pillar of Beyond

12:12 The Dynamics of Listening Prayer

14:55 The Pressure of "Obedience": A Burden on Missionaries

17:46 The Harmful Impact of Listening Prayer on Missionaries' Relationships with God

21:03 The Unbiblical Role of Listening Prayer in Decision-Making

23:55 The Process of Listening Prayer: Steps and Practices

27:11 Urgency in Missions: The 2025 Goal

29:51 The Dangers of Presuming God's Voice and Prophecy

41:51 Testing Divine Revelation and Insufficient Criteria

46:56 Hyper-Spiritualization: Leaving No Room for Simple Encouragement

50:54 Prayer Declarations and Their Influence

54:08 Strategic-Level Spiritual Warfare: Understanding Strongholds

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Nine Marks: https://www.9marks.org/ (Resources on biblical missions)

ABOUT THIS PODCAST:

The goal of this conversation is not to discourage missions, but to call the church back to a foundation of sound theology and biblical integrity. We believe that true "success" in missions is measured by faithfulness to God's Word in Scripture, not the pursuit of "hearing God's voice" outside of Scripture or rapid multiplication.

#Missions #Beyond #ChurchPlanting #Theology #Christianity #Discernment #Gospel #BibleStudy

How to grow in discernment and not turn cynical? In this episode, Holly shares the subtle line between spotting doctrinal error in the church and not trusting anyone or anything. While this may sound troublesome, she shares her personal experience and growth through three things that have kept her from going down that road, drawing from the church at Ephesus in Revelation 2 and Elijah's meltdown in the cave in 1 Kings.

0:08 Why Discernment Can Tip Into Cynicism

4:38 We're All at Different Places in Our Walk

9:13 Don't Only Focus on the False

13:51 Fill Your Mind With What's True and Good

18:33 Finding Your People (and Why It Matters)

20:00 A Final Word from Galatians 6:9

Join Holly's Substack community for more on discernment and the New Apostolic Reformation: https://substack.com/@hollypivec?r=1rh7cc&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=stories&shareImageVariant=blur

What's helped you stay non-cynical? Let us know in the comments. 🙏

#SpiritualDiscernment #Cynicism #Theology #FalseTeachings #ChristianLife #Discernment

Can certain so-called "Christian" teachings contribute to anxiety, depression, and feelings of failure?

In this conversation, biblical counselor Mark Baker explains how negative narratives, perfectionism, performance-based thinking, and false teachings can deeply impact our mental health. He also shares practical tools for identifying harmful thought patterns, finding hope in the midst of depression, and learning to trust God.

0:00 Negative Narratives and Mental Health

3:10 The Danger of Self-Condemnation

5:50 Why Perfectionism Fuels Depression

8:00 Practical Steps for Anxiety and Depression

10:20 How False Teaching Creates Pressure and Fear

12:00 The Link Between Depression and Hopelessness

15:00 One Question to Ask When You're Depressed

17:20 Where Are You Struggling to Trust God?

19:10 Using Scripture to Renew Your Mind

21:00 Why Bible Verses Aren't Magic Formulas

23:00 Final Encouragement

Check out Mark Baker's book Re-Minded: https://amzn.to/4dXP4iP

See his other resources here: https://www.hopeforlifeonline.com/

Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!

#SpiritualDiscernment #MentalHealth #Theology #FalseTeachings #ChristianMentalHealth #Discernment

Is your mental health suffering because of bad theology? Discover how growing in spiritual discernment can free you from the anxiety, guilt, and emotional damage caused by false teachings.

Many modern Christians are caught in a cycle of subtle shaming, false hope, and spiritual burnout. In this video, we break down why true biblical discernment is actually your greatest mental defense mechanism and a true faith builder.

Learn how to spot "wolves in sheep's clothing," develop a healthy theology of suffering, and guard your mind against counterfeit spirituality.

00:00 - What is biblical discernment?

01:05 - The 3 faculties of the mind

02:13 - The "gymnasium" of the mind

03:16 - Exposing mysticism and false teachings

04:32 - How bad theology hurts mental health

05:18 - The danger of fake revivals

06:35 - True love warns people

08:21 - Social media scrolling vs. mental peace

09:57 - Why NAR theology causes anxiety

12:22 - Spiritual abuse and "shame-bombing"

14:31 - Judging leaders by their fruit

15:38 - Developing a theology of suffering

17:52 - How God uses hardship to train us

20:16 - Rejecting the "quick-fix" gospel

21:55 - Overcoming negative narratives

If you want to grow deep in the Word and learn to guard your mind, make sure to subscribe and hit the notification bell!

Check out Mark Baker's book Re-Minded: https://amzn.to/4dXP4iP

Have you ever experienced spiritual "shame-bombing" or struggled with a "quick-fix" theology? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!

#SpiritualDiscernment #MentalHealth #BiblicalTheology #FalseTeachings #ChristianMentalHealth #Discernment #Hebrews514

Is the "quick fix" culture of modern church movements actually hurting your mental health? In this clip, we break down why true biblical peace isn’t a supernatural "zap," but a daily process of heart work—and how movements like the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) might be driving people into anxiety and dependency.

If you’ve ever felt exhausted trying to manufacture supernatural experiences or control things outside your hands, this video is for you. We dive deep into the difference between coping mechanisms and true sanctification.

Key Moments in This Video

00:00 Intro: deception, shortcuts, and false teaching

01:10 The “hard work of heart work” vs instant spiritual fixes

04:22 False hope, anxiety, depression, and coping mechanisms

09:25 Dependency on supernatural experiences and emotional highs

12:06 NAR promises, impossible expectations, and control

17:54 Spiritual warfare distractions and losing focus on the gospel

21:27 Dominion theology and “another gospel”

True spiritual growth takes time. In this discussion, Mark Baker unpacks Chapter 4 ("The Hard Work of Heart Work") and Chapter 8 of his book Re-Minded, exposing how the obsession with signs, wonders, and immediate deliverance can create a toxic loop of emotional highs and crashes. By shifting our focus from what we can't control to what we can, we find the sound mind that God actually promised us.

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#SpiritualDiscernment #MentalHealth #NAR #BiblicalTruth #Sanctification #ChristianPodcast #FaithAndMentalHealth

Is your spiritual life causing more anxiety than peace?

In this episode, I'm with biblical counselor and author Mark Baker to expose the overlooked link between false teachings—specifically within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)—and mental health struggles like depression and chronic guilt.

If you’ve ever felt like you "weren't performing enough" for God, or felt trapped by the pressure to hear a "word from God" for every decision, this conversation is for you. We dive deep into why subjective, feelings-based Christianity often leads to a "breaking point" and how you can reclaim a sound mind through the objective truth of Scripture.

In this episode, we discuss:

Biblical Counseling vs. Secular Psychology: Explaining different frameworks

The NAR Mental Health Fallout: Why doctrines like "Heaven on Earth" and "Modern Apostles" often result in hopelessness.

The Rise of "Christian" Mysticism: The subjective mystical practices, like "grave soaking" and "trips to heaven" (via guided visualizations), that are infiltrating the church

Reclaiming a Sound Mind: The vital connection between self-discipline and mental clarity (2 Timothy 1:7).

The "Crack" in the System: How catching one lie or false prophecy can be the first step toward spiritual freedom.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: Reconnecting with Mark Baker.

01:02 – What is biblical counseling and why is it unique?

04:02 – The secularization of pastoral care in modern seminaries.

08:47 – How false teaching creates an "unsound mind."

13:26 – Does NAR attract or create mental health issues?

16:45 – The burden of "performance-based" Christianity.

23:22 – How one "crack" via a false prophecy can lead to freedom.

28:10 – The danger of "subjectivity" and the "Touch not the anointed" trap.

31:25 – Understanding the role of self-discipline in a sound mind.

34:58 – The hard work of "heart work": Avoiding spiritual shortcuts.

Resources Mentioned:

Mark Baker’s Book: Re-Minded: How to Renew Your Mind, Quiet Your Soul, and Transform Your Life - https://www.amazon.com/Re-Minded-Renew-Your-Quiet-Transform/dp/B0DDP78BK6

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Is it a miracle from God, a manifestation of the demonic, or just a clever trick?

In this deep-dive interview, professional magician and mentalist Terry Holley pulls back the curtain on the "signs and wonders" appearing in modern movements like the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). From gold dust and "glory clouds" at Bethel to the secrets of "words of knowledge," Terry explains how mentalism and cold reading can perfectly replicate what many claim to be supernatural.

We also tackle the tough theological questions: Did Pharaoh’s magicians actually perform miracles? Can Satan control the weather? And why do so many Christians give the enemy more credit than the Bible does?

If you’ve ever wondered if what you’re seeing on stage is real or just "extrasensory deception," this episode is for you.

IN THIS EPISODE:

Mentalism vs. Prophecy: How "Question & Answer" routines mimic prophetic words.

The "Glory Cloud" Demystified: Comparing modern church manifestations to Las Vegas illusions.

Theology of the Miraculous: Why creating life (snakes and blood) is a boundary only God crosses.

Occam’s Razor & The Supernatural: Understanding the 4 natural forces before jumping to "miracle" conclusions.

Demons & Objects: The logic (and hilarity) of "demon-possessed" chocolate chip cookies.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Introduction: Can magic explain so-called "miracles"?

03:15 - The Q&A Routine: How mentalists "read minds."

08:45 - Gold Dust & Snow: David Copperfield’s secrets.

14:20 - Pharaoh’s Magicians: Miracle or sleight of hand?

22:10 - Signs and Wonders: A Greek word study.

30:35 - Can Satan control the weather? (Lessons from Job)

38:50 - The "Supernormal" vs. The "Supernatural."

45:15 - Debunking "demonized" objects and screaming wood.

52:40 - The $25,000 Challenge for a real miracle.

58:20 - Final thoughts: Staying within biblical boundaries.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Book: Astrology and Psychic Phenomena by Terry Holley.

James Randi’s Alpha Project: How two magicians fooled the scientific community.

CONTACT TERRY: terry_holley@hotmail.com (For church seminars/performances and questions).

Do you think he’s being too cynical, or is this the discernment the church needs today? Let us know in the comments.

TWO CORRECTIONS SUBMITTED BY TERRY HOLLEY:1. David Hoy's "Hurling the Headlines" is not a book, but it is a chapter found in his booklet, "The Bold and Subtle Miracles of Dr. Faust."2. I accidentally stated that I sent predictions to David Hoy. I should have stated that I sent them to Gary North. Hoy passed in 1981. My correspondence with North was in the 1990s.

#Discernment #Apologetics #NewApostolicReformation #Magic #Theology #TerryHolley #SpiritualWarfare #Mentalism

Is it a miracle, or just a really good trick? In this revealing interview, 55-year veteran magician Terry Holley pulls back the curtain on the "supernatural" claims of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

While many believers are amazed by "words of knowledge" and "miraculous" powers, Terry reveals how professional mentalism, data mining, and theatrical illusions can replicate these exact experiences. We explore the historical deception of figures like William Branham and Paul Cain, and the danger of building theology on anecdotal stories that crumble under investigation. If you've ever questioned the "Glory Cloud" or how a prophet knew personal details about your life, this video provides the technical and biblical clarity you need.

Inside this investigation:

Mentalism 101: How performers "read minds" using natural techniques.

The Andre Kole Legacy: Why Jesus’ miracles were impossible to fake.

Nailing Jello to a Wall: The truth about levitation stories and "miracle" reports.

The "Hot Reading" Scandal: Why some modern prophets are just data mining.

Biblical Discernment: How to distinguish between theatrical magic and occult practices.

CHAPTERS

0:00 – Intro: Why interview a Christian magician?

1:25 – Terry Holley 55-year background in magic

4:45 – What is Mentalism? (Mind reading vs. tricks)

7:20 – Andre Kole and the investigation of Jesus’ miracles

17:15 – The difference between theatrical magic and the occult

19:10 – Why magicians use equipment (debunking demonic power)

21:05 – Magician vs. Illusionist: Why some churches prefer "illusionist"

23:30 – "Magic in the Bible": Hebrew and Greek word studies

26:50 – Investigating the Kansas City Prophets and Bob Jones

30:15 – Correspondence with John Piper and Wayne Grudem

38:15 – The "Flying Reindeer" argument: Why we need proof

43:50 – The Levitation Myth: Investigating supernatural claims

50:15 – Observations on Craig Keener’s Miracles book volumes

53:40 – Paul Cain and "Hot Reading" techniques

56:10 – The "Sick Cat" experiment: How easy it is to fool people

1:02:30 – Data mining and modern prophets (Shawn Bolz)

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On March 6, 2026, Francis Chan released a public apology titled "Tremble at His Words, Be Careful with Your Own." In it, he addresses his associations with leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), including Mike Bickle and IHOPKC. But does this apology truly address the root of the problem, or does it sidestep the real issues and dangers?

In this special audio-only episode of the podcast, Holly Pivec and Doug Geivett (joining from the Florida Everglades!) break down Chan’s letter and the accompanying statement from his network elders.

We dive deep into:

The "Integrity" Gap: Was Mike Bickle a man of integrity who "fell," or was the foundation flawed from the start?

"Fooled Hundreds of Times": Analyzing Chan’s admission of a lack of discernment and what that means for his role as a globally influential leader.

The Elder’s Defense: Why claiming "refutation" of NAR accusations is factually incorrect and misleading to the church.

The Prophetic Movement: Why a focus on character scandals ignores the deeper crisis of fallible prophecy and theological error.

A Call to Action: Will Chan ever give us the biblical criteria for evaluating prophets?

Resources Mentioned:

-Francis Chan’s Letter: Tremble at His Words, Be Careful with Your Own (Crazy Love Ministries)

https://www.crazylove.org/articles/tremble-at-his-words-be-careful-with-your-own

-Holly’s Blog: hollypivec.com

-The Implosion of IHOPKC: https://www.hollypivec.com/blog/implosionofihopkc

-Books by Holly Pivec and Doug Geivett: Counterfeit Kingdom, God's Super-Apostles, and more.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=holly+pivec+and+doug+geivett&crid=2B4DQ2AUNRY85&sprefix=holly+pivec+and+doug+geivett%2Caps%2C216&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction & Background on Francis Chan

04:46 – Framing the Apology: "Those who no longer walk in integrity"

15:10 – The avoidance of addressing "false teaching" in the apology

21:47 – The stunning admission of being "fooled hundreds of times"

35:34 – Analyzing the Elders’ Statement

52:40 – Can a "legitimate" prophet be fallible?

1:10:00 – Unity vs. Truth: Final thoughts and closing wisdom

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#FrancisChan #NAR #MikeBickle #IHOPKC #Discernment #Theology #NewApostolicReformation #HoldFast #HollyPivec #DougGeivett

The ongoing collision with NAR has forced a moment of truth for the Assemblies of God, requiring a clear and final decision on whether it will protect its Pentecostal roots or succumb to apostolic infiltrators.* See a note of correction and clarification from Aaron Mapes below.*In this deep-dive interview, an AG pastor pulls back the curtain on how "Latter Rain" doctrines and modern NAR theology are covertly reshaping Pentecostal churches—and why the stakes for the AG have never been higher.From the controversial "offices" of modern-day apostles and prophets to the devastating impact of "fallible prophecy," Pastor Aaron Mapes and I explore why AG leaders must draw a line in the sand. We discuss the historical link between the 1940s Latter Rain movement and Jim Jones, the theological danger of the "always God’s will to heal" doctrine, and why Pastor Aaron has chosen not to use Bethel Music to protect his congregation.If you’ve ever wondered why your favorite worship song, or a "prophetic word" you've heard, feels like it’s leading to a different gospel, this conversation is for you. Key Topics Discussed:The historical condemnation of "Latter Rain" doctrines by the AG in 1949.Why Jim Jones is a sobering warning for modern charismatic movements.The "fallible prophecy" trap: Can a true prophet be wrong?Why Bethel’s theology is creating a "wrecking yard" of deconstructed faith.The practical reasons why Pastor Aaron has banned Bethel Music in his AG church (and other AG churches should do the same)How to identify "bad fruit" in a movement before it leads to spiritual and sexual abuse.Timestamps:0:00 – Introduction: NAR and the AG04:15 – The 1940s Latter Rain Movement & Jim Jones12:30 – Why the AG Issued New Position Papers on Apostles & Prophets18:45 – The Dangers of "Fallible Prophecy" (Deuteronomy 18)25:10 – Shipwrecked Faith: When "God’s Will to Heal" Fails33:20 – Why We Stopped Singing Bethel Music in Our Church41:15 – The "Cover-Up Culture" and Biblical Discernment50:40 – Truth Over Relationship: How to Talk to People in the AG About NAR58:20 – Final Thoughts: A Bigger Vision for the GospelResources Mentioned:Counterfeit Kingdom by Holly Pivec & Doug Geivett - https://a.co/d/0hncwff4God’s Super-Apostles by Doug Geivett and Holly Pivec- https://a.co/d/0aURrk3lA/G Pastors Concerned about NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1299878327294092/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBTAre you seeing NAR influence in your local Pentecostal or other type of church?#AssembliesOfGod #NAR #BethelChurch #ChristianDiscernment #NewApostolicReformation #TheologyMatters #Pentecostal #biblicaltruth A Correction and Note of Clarification from Aaron Mapes:"Thanks, Holly! It was a pleasure to join you for this podcast! I need to make a public correction. In the interview, I stated Jim Jones was an A/G (Assemblies of God) minister instead of Independent Assemblies of God International minister. Very similar in history, relationship and doctrine, but separate organizations with cooperative ties and relationships as well as a shared name and some shared roots, as was the case with many early pentecostal churches and movements as they were emerging. The IAOGI was born out of the Scandanavian Assemblies of God." See Aaron's full note, with additional information about Jim Jones, on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/aaron.mapes.9/posts/pfbid0248NMNZNxixLyzLVNCJfZAMLFFPfuYXsBKcAgiFDyhZ6adHMGP5Cd3VrZYYYNJrRtl

Is the New Apostolic Reformation covertly reshaping your church? Join me and 5th-generation Assemblies of God pastor Aaron Mapes for a deep dive into the "smuggling" of NAR doctrine into classical Pentecostalism.

While the boundaries between NAR and Pentecostalism have become increasingly blurred, the differences are critical for those concerned about the future of the Assemblies of God. In this episode, we expose how specific terminology—like the "five-fold ministry"—is being used as a gateway to introduce NAR "apostles" and "prophets" into local Assemblies of God churches. Pastor Aaron shares his personal journey of watching a thriving church of 300 dwindle to 80 after a NAR takeover and discusses the high-profile departures of flagship churches from the AG, like James River and Bethel Redding.

In this video, you will learn:

The vital distinctions between Pentecostalism, charismatic belief, and NAR.

Why "five-fold ministry" language is often a red flag for aberrant teaching.

The truth behind the "Show Me the Toes" (alleged) miracle and the danger of deceptive "revival" narratives.

How the Assemblies of God’s new 2025 position papers address these encroachments.

TIMESTAMPS

0:00 - Intro: The Encroachment of NAR into the AG

2:15 - Aaron Mapes’ Story: A 5th-Generation Heritage

5:30 - Pentecostal vs. NAR: Clearing the Confusion

9:45 - The "Second Act of Grace" and Initial Physical Evidence

14:10 - How NAR Emerged Out of Independent Charismatic Churches

17:40 - The "Seven Mountain Mandate" vs. Traditional Eschatology

21:30 - Personal Fallout: When a NAR Takeover Splits a Church

28:15 - "Smuggling" Doctrine: The Five-Fold Ministry Language

35:50 - Case Study: James River Church and the "Toes" Controversy

42:10 - The 2025 AG Position Papers: Do They Go Far Enough?

RESOURCES MENTIONED

American Gospel: Spirit & Fire: https://www.americangospelfilm.com/spirit--fire-ag3.html

#NAR #AssembliesOfGod #Pentecostal #ChurchDiscernment #FiveFoldMinistry #Theology #JamesRiverChurch #BethelRedding #SpiritualAbuse #ChristianPodcast

Is modern missions work inadvertently hindering the gospel? In Part 2 of our deep dive, former Beyond missionaries Aaron and Chelsea—who were accused by the organization's leadership of being "unteachable"—share their firsthand experiences with the "Church Planting Movement" (CPM) strategy and the controversial "Insider Movements" that allow for religious syncretism.

We discuss how the pressure to "hear from God" and meet artificial deadlines, like the 2025 goal, is resulting in unqualified leadership and the compromise of sound Christian doctrine. If you’re a missionary, a church supporter, or interested in the future of global evangelism, this conversation is a must-watch.

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

Syncretism in Missions: Why some organizations allow "converts" to continue to worship in mosques or give gifts to idols

Lack of Transparency: Why missionaries are being instructed to hide syncretistic practices from their sending churches and financial supporters

The Problem with Speed: How fast-tracking missions efforts results in unqualified missionaries on the field

Subjective Leadings: How some missionary training models have integrated a version of Discovery Bible Studies that shift the focus from the objective meaning of the biblical text to subjective internal impressions

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Nine Marks: https://www.9marks.org/ (Resources on biblical missions)

#Missions #ChurchPlanting #Theology #Christianity #Discernment #Beyond #YWAM #Evangelism #BibleStudy #Apologetics

In this episode, I share exciting news about the launch of my new book club and discussion community, over at Substack, called "Hold Fast with Holly Pivec." And I invite you to join us.

I explain my vision for Hold Fast with Holly Pivec and share messages from my podcast listeners revealing the need for such a discernment community. I also share my own backstory that motivated me to undertake this new venture.

Be sure to watch through to the end to learn about a special launch discount available to my podcast listeners and others who join in the first month.

Are you navigating the challenges of the New Apostolic Reformation and feeling like you’re doing it alone? Well, many others are in the same boat. This community pulls together like-minded believers for guidance, encouragement, and study. Listen to this episode to learn all about my new discernment community and see how you can get involved, including coming to the Acts 17:11 Book Club—where we dissect primary NAR texts together and evaluate them by Scripture and careful reasoning—and participating in my monthly live Q-and-As.

Subscribe today and join a community dedicated to protecting the body of Christ and holding fast to gospel in an age of new "apostles." For more information and to subscribe, visit Hold Fast with Holly Pivec at https://hollypivec.substack.com/about. And don’t forget to listen to this episode to get the full scoop!

Is "listening prayer" the key to intimacy with God, as many Christian teachers claim? In this deep-dive conversation, we discuss a particular view of prayer as "two-way communication" and explore how seeking audible voices or mystical promptings can be a distraction from true spiritual growth. If you’ve ever felt stuck waiting to "hear from God" or worried that you’re missing God's specific instructions for your life, this episode is for you.
In this video, we explore a more robust, biblical framework for intimacy with God.

The topics we address include:
True "Conversation" with God: How God communicates through a mind transformed by Scripture.
Wisdom Over Formulas: Why God wants you to grow into an "empowered agent" rather than a puppet waiting for instructions.
The Dallas Willard Connection: A personal look at Willard’s approach to "hearing God."
The Obedience Key: Why acting on what you already know is the surest path to intimacy with God.

RESOURCES MENTIONED
Hearing God by Dallas Willard - https://www.amazon.com/Hearing-God-Developing-Conversational-Relationship/dp/1514011573

Have you ever felt pressured to "hear a voice" in your prayer life?

Let’s discuss in the comments. I’m curious to hear your experiences with "listening prayer."
If you want to deepen your spiritual discernment, make sure to subscribe and hit the bell icon!

#ChristianDiscernment #HearingGod #DallasWillard #PrayerLife #BiblicalWisdom #ChristianLiving #Discernment #Theology