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What happens when a Canadian fighter pilot accidentally crosses the Iron Curtain? And what does it take to become one of the RCAF's legendary solo jet demonstration pilots?

In Part 1 of our conversation with former Royal Canadian Air Force pilot Darwin “Tex” Deagnon, we travel back to the early days of Canadian jet aviation, from his childhood in rural Saskatchewan to flying the F-86 Sabre on the front lines of the Cold War.

Tex shares memories of growing up in a soldiers' settlement community, taking his first flight with his father in a Piper Cub, and earning his wings at just 19. He recalls training alongside instructors with Korean War experience, his first solo flight in the Sabre, and arriving in France to fly with 430 Squadron at RCAF Station Grostenquin.

We explore the realities of NATO fighter operations in Cold War Europe, including a frightening encounter that took Tex's formation into East German airspace. He explains the challenges of fighter weapons instruction, the demands of air-to-air gunnery and ground attack, and how quickly lessons from the front lines could become obsolete.

Then we turn to one of the defining chapters of his career: becoming Canada's Red Knight in 1965.

Tex takes us inside the world of solo jet aerobatics, describing the manoeuvres, altitudes, and concentration required to perform in front of thousands of spectators. He also reflects on the influence of his father, the recognition of the Red Knight program by Canada's Aviation Hall of Fame, and the extraordinary pilots who helped build its legacy.

As Remembrance Day approaches, our conversation takes a more reflective turn. Tex remembers the Red Knights who lost their lives, discusses how pilots coped with loss, and shares his thoughts on the sacrifices of Canada's Cold War veterans and the challenges of understanding wartime experiences.

In Part 2, we'll follow Tex beyond the Red Knight, exploring his remarkable civilian flying career, adventures in the Canadian Arctic, and a reunion with an aircraft he first flew more than 67 years ago.

CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:03:38) Growing Up in Zehner, Saskatchewan
(00:06:12) Life in a Soldiers' Settlement Area
(00:07:10) First Flight with Dad in a Piper Cub
(00:08:07) The Story Behind “Tex”
(00:08:58) What Drew Tex to the Military?
(00:10:59) Memories of Flight Training
(00:13:28) The CF-100 Lead Sled
(00:14:15) Learning from Korean War Veterans
(00:16:02) A Memorable Training Flight
(00:16:57) Transitioning to the F-86 Sabre
(00:18:15) First Sabre Flight: Flying Solo
(00:19:03) First Flight in Cold War Europe
(00:21:02) Introducing New Pilots to Cold War Operations
(00:21:23) The Mission in Europe
(00:21:43) A Typical Day at Grostenquin
(00:23:49) Close Calls in Cold War Europe
(00:25:52) Becoming a Fighter Weapons Instructor
(00:27:40) Air Gunnery and Scoring
(00:28:43) From Operations to Instruction
(00:30:25) When Frontline Lessons Became Obsolete
(00:31:41) Live Weapons Training at Wainwright
(00:33:09) Guns, Rockets, and Bombs
(00:34:11) Was the Sabre a Good Gunnery Platform?
(00:35:08) Becoming the Red Knight
(00:38:51) Inside the Red Knight Routine
(00:39:41) Manoeuvres and Minimum Altitudes
(00:41:40) The Experience of Low-Altitude Aerobatics
(00:43:27) His Father's Influence on Flying
(00:43:42) Balancing Instruction and the Red Knight
(00:45:13) Canada's Aviation Hall of Fame Recognition
(00:46:34) Remembering the Fallen Red Knights
(00:50:14) How Pilots Coped with Loss
(00:51:26) Remembering Canada's Cold War Veterans
(00:54:00) Can Civilians Understand Wartime Experiences?
(00:57:28) Closing Thoughts and What's Next

CONTINUE THE FLIGHT

Continue exploring the history of Canadian military aviation and the people who flew some of its most iconic aircraft:

• The Jet Jockey Part 1 & Part 2 – Dan McWilliams - https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/search?query=Jet+Jockey
• The Bangseat Part 1 & Part 2 – Rock Veilleux - https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/search?query=Bangseat

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What does it feel like to fly a CF-18 Hornet into combat for the first time? What happens when the fighting is over, but the experiences stay with you?

In Part 2 of our conversation with Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot Lieutenant-Colonel Andrew “Hazno” Faith, we pick up where we left off: arriving in Italy with almost no warning, preparing for combat operations over Libya, and putting years of fighter pilot training to the test.

Andrew takes us inside Canada's contribution to Operation UNIFIED PROTECTOR, from enforcing a no-fly zone to flying strike missions against Gaddafi's forces. He describes the reality of flying into hostile airspace, the moment his aircraft was targeted by a surface-to-air missile, and what it takes to climb back into the cockpit knowing the danger is real.

Andrew opens up about the challenges of returning home, the psychological and moral effects of combat, and the difficulty of transitioning from high-stakes operations to everyday family life. We explore why fear is a normal part of combat, why courage doesn't mean being fearless, and what military organizations can do to better prepare their people for the experience.

We also discuss his transition into instructing with 419 Squadron at CFB Cold Lake, the importance of preparing young fighter pilots for operational service, life on NORAD quick reaction alert, and his later experiences supporting Operation IMPACT in 2015.

From the intensity of combat to the responsibility of training the next generation, this episode explores what it really means to become (and remain) a fighter pilot.

CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:01:55) Arriving in Italy for Operation UNIFIED PROTECTOR
(00:07:33) Canada's Mission in Libya
(00:11:59) Enforcing the No-Fly Zone
(00:13:34) Under Fire: A Surface-to-Air Missile
(00:17:20) Returning to Combat After Being Targeted
(00:20:58) A Combat Mission from Start to Finish
(00:25:39) Flying as a Wingman in Libya
(00:27:05) The End of the War and Gaddafi's Death
(00:27:50) Coming Home from Combat
(00:32:44) The Mental Health Effects of Combat
(00:35:49) Recognizing the Warning Signs
(00:38:18) Lessons from Libya for Future Fighter Pilots
(00:39:56) From Combat Pilot to Flight Instructor
(00:47:03) Life on NORAD Quick Reaction Alert
(00:49:14) Preparing Students for Combat
(00:53:14) Operation IMPACT in 2015
(00:56:43) Flight Safety Across Aviation Communities
(00:58:07) The Challenges of Returning Home
(00:59:35) Advice for a First Combat Deployment
(01:01:19) Closing Thoughts and What's Next

CONTINUE THE FLIGHT

Continue Andrew “Hazno” Faith's story and explore more firsthand accounts of RCAF fighter aviation:

• Fighters: The Road to Fighters Part 1: From Hawk to Hornet – Andrew “Hazno” Faith
• The Jet Jockey Part 1 & Part 2 – Dan McWilliams
• The Bangseat Part 1 & Part 2 – Rock Veilleux

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What does it take to go from watching CF-18 Hornets fly overhead as a kid to becoming a fighter pilot in the Royal Canadian Air Force?

For Lieutenant-Colonel Andrew “Hazno” Faith, that dream began on a school playground in Saskatchewan. In Part 1 of our conversation, we follow his journey through RCAF pilot training, from the Harvard II in Moose Jaw to the Hawk and Fighter Lead-In Training (FLIT) at 419 Squadron, and finally into the cockpit of the CF-18 Hornet.

Along the way, Andrew shares the unforgettable flying lesson that changed his approach to safety, the challenges of learning to think and react at fighter-jet speeds, and how his early confidence was tested as he progressed through training.

We also explore the culture and camaraderie of military aviation, the transition from student to operational fighter pilot, and the sudden call to deploy to Libya in 2011, when Andrew had to leave his young family behind with almost no warning.

In Part 2, we'll explore his combat experiences in Libya and Iraq, along with his later work training the next generation of fighter pilots.

Chapters

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:03:37) Growing Up with the Dream of Fighters
(00:05:35) Air Cadets and Early Flight Training
(00:06:12) From the Hockey Rink to the Cockpit
(00:08:40) Why Military Aviation?
(00:10:35) Studying Petroleum Engineering
(00:13:43) The Story Behind “Hasno”
(00:15:53) Arriving in Moose Jaw
(00:18:47) The Fighter Mentality
(00:22:06) The Challenges of Military Flight Training
(00:24:55) An Unforgettable Altimeter Lesson
(00:29:11) Selected for the Hawk
(00:30:26) Flying His First Jet
(00:31:16) Waterskiing Behind the Aircraft
(00:31:54) From the Hawk to 419 Squadron
(00:34:16) A Reality Check
(00:34:49) Learning to Handle Setbacks
(00:36:41) The First CF-18 Flight
(00:39:09) From Training to Operations
(00:41:24) Life as a New Hornet Pilot
(00:42:45) Supporting the G8 Summit
(00:43:56) Short-Notice Deployment to Libya
(00:52:27) Leaving Family Behind

CONTINUE THE FLIGHT

For more stories from RCAF fighter pilots, explore these conversations:

The Jet Jockey Part 1 & Part 2 – Dan McWilliams:
https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/search?query=jockey

The Bangseat Part 1 & Part 2 – Rock Veilleux
https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/search?query=bangseat

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You've just had the worst flight of your course. Your confidence is shaken, and tomorrow's flight could determine your future. How do you bounce back?

In the conclusion of our three-part Built for Pressure series, mental performance consultant Zoran Stojković explains how RCAF student pilots can recover from failure, approach difficult debriefs, rebuild confidence, and distinguish honest self-assessment from destructive self-criticism.

We also explore how Canada's allies are developing mental performance programs, how technology could improve pilot training, and why recovery is essential to sustained high performance.

Finally, Zoran shares practical habits to develop before arriving in Moose Jaw, advice for the first week of training, and a message for anyone questioning whether they belong after a difficult flight.

Find Zoran at:

https://www.instagram.com/kizoperformance
www.kizo.ca

CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:02:40) Mental Performance Coaching Among Our Allies
(00:09:04) What's New in Mental Performance Coaching?
(00:18:07) The Future of Mental Performance in RCAF Training
(00:24:41) Preparing for a Debrief When You Think You've Failed
(00:31:00) Honest Self-Assessment vs. Beating Yourself Up
(00:38:06) Rebuilding Confidence After Failure
(00:47:39) Sustaining Performance: Do You Have to Earn Recovery?
(00:53:24) Knowing When to Push Harder and When to Rest
(00:57:07) Three Tips Before Arriving in Moose Jaw
(01:00:42) Habits to Start Building Now
(01:02:20) Your First Week at Moose Jaw
(01:04:20) Performance Advice Pilots Should Stop Following
(01:06:46) Where to Find Zoran's Resources
(01:08:29) A Message After Your Worst Flight
(01:11:34) How to Connect with Zoran

CONTINUE THE FLIGHT

Catch up on the first two parts of Built for Pressure:

Part 1: From Elite Sport to RCAF Pilot Training – Zoran Stojković
Part 2: Practical Mental Performance for RCAF Pilots – Zoran Stojković

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What happens when you know the material cold, but freeze during a flight test?

Mental performance consultant Zoran Stojković returns for Part 2 of PERFORMANCE & SAFETY: BUILT FOR PRESSURE, where we explore practical tools for RCAF pilot training; from pre-flight routines and chair flying to performance cues, breathing and recovering after a cockpit mistake.

Drawing on Zoran’s work with student pilots, pro athletes, and Bryan’s flying experience, they discuss recognizing when you’re falling behind the aircraft, practicing resets before you need them, and helping students recover after a difficult flight.

Chapters

(00:00:00) Welcome and introduction
(00:01:08) Why students freeze during a test
(00:07:00) Preparing an Olympian versus preparing a pilot
(00:08:36) Can you perform well while feeling nervous?
(00:15:26) Tomorrow’s checkride: when to stop studying
(00:18:48) Building a useful pre-flight mental routine
(00:22:46) Making visualization and chair flying effective
(00:29:04) Adapting when the schedule or mission changes
(00:32:43) Performance cues and constructive self-talk
(00:41:55) Closing the gap between practice and cockpit performance
(00:44:13) Breathing as a performance tool while flying
(00:51:50) The OODA loop and helmet fires
(00:54:33) Recognizing when you’re falling behind the aircraft
(00:59:49) Resetting after a mistake in the cockpit
(01:03:14) Helping a student recover after a difficult flight
(01:06:13) Thanks and a look ahead to Part 3

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Continue from Part 1: PERFORMANCE & SAFETY: BUILT FOR PRESSURE Part 1: From Elite Sport to RCAF Pilot Training – Zoran Stojković.

Explore Zoran’s work: His Built for Pressure podcast and Kizo Performance resources are discussed throughout this episode.

Ask about the visualization resource: Zoran invites listeners to contact him through Kizo Performance on Instagram about resources, including the visualization template discussed in the interview.

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What happens when you know how to do something, but pressure makes it difficult to actually do it?

Certified Mental Performance Consultant Zoran Stojković has spent more than 15 years helping people perform under pressure, from professional athletes and Olympic hopefuls to RCAF pilot trainees.

In Part 1, Zoran shares the path that took him from competitive tennis and high-performance sport to 2 Canadian Forces Flying Training School in Moose Jaw. He explains what surprised him about the pressures facing student pilots, how he earned credibility as a civilian working inside military aviation, and why relationships became central to his work.

We also hear how Zoran supported aircrew during Jaw South in Texas, how mental performance coaching became embedded in the flying environment, and what aviation taught him about the difference between high stakes and real stakes.

CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction, welcome and bio
(00:01:52) What role did sport play growing up?
(00:04:28) Why can we perform in practice but struggle under pressure?
(00:09:41) When did mental performance become a career?
(00:13:03) What did Zoran get wrong when he started coaching?
(00:15:21) What kind of pressure are Olympians under?
(00:18:35) Helping a professional tennis player turn things around
(00:20:22) Going from athletes to pilots
(00:23:23) Walking into 2CFFTS for the first time
(00:26:53) What surprised Zoran about the pressure on student pilots?
(00:30:13) High stakes versus real stakes
(00:31:37) Earning credibility in aviation as an outsider
(00:34:17) What happens when pilots don’t buy into mental performance coaching?
(00:38:44) A pilot success story
(00:42:36) Deploying with Jaw South
(00:47:27) What is Jaw South, and where did Zoran fit in?
(00:51:57) Helping a student in crisis before a flight
(00:53:49) Making progress in a slow-moving institution
(00:57:03) Meeting Colonel Jeremy Hansen
(01:01:30) Advice for a student pilot before a test

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Colonel Todd O’Malley concludes our four-part journey through the evolution of Canadian tactical and special operations aviation. Todd returns to Moose Jaw, where he transitions from helicopters to fixed-wing flying, learns to instruct on the CT-156 Harvard and later becomes Commandant of 2 Canadian Forces Flying Training School.

He also recounts commanding B Flight at 427 Squadron, developing maritime counterterrorism capabilities and helping transform the unit from tactical helicopter support into a dedicated special operations aviation squadron. After more than a decade in civilian aviation, Todd explains what brought him back into uniform as Director Air and Space at CANSOFCOM. The conversation explores the rapid growth of uncrewed aircraft, counter-UAS and space capabilities, lessons emerging from real-world allied experience, and Todd’s advice for anyone considering special operations aviation. He closes by recognizing the mentors, colleagues and family members who made his remarkable career possible.

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(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:02:03) Instructing at 2 Canadian Forces Flying Training School
(00:04:18) Returning to Fixed-Wing Flying
(00:07:58) Converting from the Tutor to the Harvard
(00:09:21) Why Flight Instructing Is So Difficult
(00:11:12) The Most Rewarding Part of Instructing
(00:12:45) When Students Arrive Unprepared
(00:14:29) Returning to Fix a Missed Opportunity
(00:16:46) Returning to Moose Jaw as Commandant
(00:19:03) Being Both an Instructor and a Principal
(00:19:47) Influencing the Student Experience as Commandant
(00:21:03) Mentorship and Perspective
(00:23:33) The Weight of Ending a Student’s Training
(00:25:24) How Students React to Being Told They Are Done
(00:26:59) Why the Good Days Outweigh the Bad
(00:29:46) Returning to 427 Squadron in 2003
(00:32:43) Commanding B Flight
(00:36:48) The Difference Between Elite and Elitist
(00:38:05) When 427 Squadron Began Drifting Apart
(00:39:47) Developing Maritime Counterterrorism Capabilities
(00:44:17) Standing Up CANSOFCOM
(00:45:47) Transforming Tactical Helicopter Aviation into SOF Aviation
(00:47:41) Why Todd Retired from the RCAF
(00:49:56) Lessons from Civilian Aviation
(00:52:52) Military and Civilian Workplace Cultures
(00:54:18) Returning to the RCAF
(00:56:30) The Director Air and Space Mandate
(00:59:17) How Canadian SOF Aviation Is Evolving
(01:01:48) Learning from Allies
(01:03:51) Special Operations in a Changing World
(01:04:46) Advice for Joining Special Operations Aviation
(01:07:17) Todd’s Remaining Career Goals
(01:08:56) Recognizing the People Behind His Career
(01:11:39) Closing the Series

Colonel Todd O’Malley continues our four-part journey through the history of Canadian tactical and special operations aviation. In Part 3, Todd recounts flying the CH-135 Twin Huey in Somalia, where severe brownouts made every takeoff and landing dangerous, and an unexpected mission gave him his first experience supporting U.S. special operations forces.

Todd also reflects on the Somalia Affair, its painful aftermath and the difficulty of returning home from a deployment overshadowed by scandal. He then takes us inside the earliest days of JTF2—from flying with the RCMP and becoming the unit’s first Air Liaison Officer to developing new helicopter insertion tactics at Dwyer Hill. The episode explores the people, missions and “refuse to lose” culture that helped transform a fragile domestic counterterrorism capability into the foundation of modern Canadian special operations aviation.

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CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:01:57) Somalia with 427 Squadron
(00:05:58) The Danger of Dustballs
(00:10:51) A Helicopter Crash in a Dustball
(00:13:21) A First Taste of Special Operations
(00:16:09) The Somalia Affair
(00:20:02) The Aftermath of the Somalia Affair
(00:24:03) Flying with the RCMP: The Road to SOF Aviation
(00:25:51) Becoming JTF2’s First Air Liaison Officer
(00:28:33) What Is Dwyer Hill?
(00:29:49) Witnessing the Beginning of Canadian SOF History
(00:33:53) How SOF Culture Changed After Somalia
(00:35:37) Overcoming Personal Challenges
(00:39:13) Flying Special Operations Missions with the RCMP
(00:41:49) Developing New Tactics
(00:43:54) Seeing Those Tactics Still in Use
(00:45:24) The “Refuse to Lose” Mindset
(00:48:32) Closing and a Preview of Part 4

Colonel Todd O’Malley continues our four-part look at the history of Canadian tactical and special operations aviation. In Part 2, the current Director Air and Space at CANSOFCOM returns to his first operational years with 427 Squadron, flying the CH-135 Twin Huey on deployments to the Sinai Desert and Honduras.

Todd describes navigating the Sinai with paper maps, demanding nighttime approaches, a fatal helicopter crash, and the challenges of low-level jungle flying during the final years of the Cold War. He also recalls the culture of Canadian tactical aviation in the 1980s and the experimental introduction of night-vision goggles, when crews developed procedures while learning the technology in real time. From driving a Jeep on NVGs to leading 12-ship formations at night, the episode captures a pivotal transformation in Canadian military helicopter operations.

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Chapters

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:01:53) First Deployment: The Mission in the Sinai Desert
(00:04:26) Navigating the Desert with Paper Maps
(00:07:02) Flying Over the Sinai’s Unforgiving Terrain
(00:09:30) Dangerous Nighttime Approaches in the Desert
(00:13:08) A Helicopter Crash in the Sinai Desert
(00:20:15) “What Are You Doing Friday?” Deploying to Honduras
(00:21:34) The Canadian Helicopter Mission in Honduras
(00:23:24) Living “On the Economy” in Honduras
(00:25:47) Which Is Harder: Desert or Jungle Flying?
(00:27:29) The Challenges of Low-Level Jungle Flying
(00:28:55) Did Flying in Honduras Feel Like Vietnam?
(00:29:27) Playing Cat and Mouse with a Three-Letter Organization
(00:32:09) Tactical Aviation Culture in the 1980s
(00:35:19) Did Tactical Aviators Feel Stuck?
(00:37:37) The Early Days of Night-Vision Flying
(00:40:41) Crew Rest in Tactical Aviation
(00:42:15) Flying 12-Ship Formations at Night
(00:45:02) The Physical Cost of Flying with NVGs

Colonel Todd O’Malley begins a four-part journey through the history of Canadian tactical and special operations aviation. Now Director Air and Space at CANSOFCOM, Todd looks back on the unlikely path that took him from Sault College and an early setback in civilian flight training to earning his RCAF wings and joining 427 Squadron as a CH-135 Twin Huey pilot.

In Part 1, Todd explains how failure reshaped his approach to preparation, recalls the fighter-driven culture of 1980s Moose Jaw, and describes the disappointment of being selected for helicopters. He also takes listeners inside the demanding transition to rotary-wing flying, from hovering and auto-rotations to the hard-earned change in attitude that helped him find his place in tactical aviation. The episode concludes with advice for student pilots whose careers take an unexpected direction.

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Chapters
(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:03:02) Meet Colonel Todd O’Malley
(00:04:37) What Drew Todd to the RCAF?
(00:07:48) Sault College and a Different Path
(00:09:29) Being Removed from Flight Training
(00:12:13) The Lesson That Changed His Career
(00:15:14) Pilot Training Culture in 1980s Moose Jaw
(00:20:34) Navigating Phase Two Flight Training
(00:24:05) Coping with a Helicopter Selection
(00:27:56) Why Helicopters Are So Difficult to Learn
(00:30:58) How a Helicopter Autorotation Works
(00:34:37) Learning from Hard Landings
(00:38:46) Re-Caging His Attitude Toward Helicopters
(00:41:35) Finding His Place in Tactical Aviation
(00:44:30) Arriving at a Grieving 427 Squadron
(00:45:30) Twin Huey vs. Griffon
(00:48:43) Making the Most of an Unexpected Aircraft Selection
(00:51:51) Final Thoughts and What’s Next

What does it take to lead one of the world's premier military aerobatic teams?

In the final chapter of our three-part series, Major Maciej "Match" Hatta takes us inside life as "The Boss", aka Snowbird 1 and Team Lead of the Canadian Forces Snowbirds. From the demanding selection process and culture of trust that defines the team to the responsibility of leading eight other pilots in close formation, Match shares what it means to lead the team.

We also explore the remarkable people behind the scenes who make every performance possible, the legacy of the CT-114 Tutor, and why the Snowbirds continue to inspire Canadians more than 50 years after their first season.

Join us as we conclude the story behind The Boss.

Chapters

(00:00:58) Introduction and welcome
(00:03:34) What led you to the Snowbirds?
(00:04:50) Deferring Test Pilot School for the Snowbirds
(00:07:01) Why the Snowbirds were turning away jet pilots
(00:08:33) Can you become Snowbird 1 as a first-year Snowbird?
(00:10:07) Going through Snowbird selection
(00:17:23) Snowbirds formation cues
(00:23:34) Are you looking at your instruments during formation flying?
(00:25:58) What was harder than you expected on the Snowbirds?
(00:28:02) Match's mid-air collision
(00:37:33) Did they lose trust in you?
(00:38:54) Lessons from the first tour that still shape Snowbird 1
(00:40:58) Why return to the Snowbirds?
(00:44:42) What did it mean to become Snowbird 1?
(00:46:25) Does it feel different to be the boss?
(00:51:31) Selecting Snowbird 1
(00:53:19) The three qualities of a successful Snowbird
(00:55:14) Why Snowbirds have to be "always on"
(00:59:28) The people behind the scenes who make it happen
(01:03:55) What makes this season special?
(01:05:55) Why preseason flying went so well
(01:08:11) What can audiences expect this season?
(01:12:19) The canopy-to-canopy roll
(01:14:49) The legacy of the CT-114 Tutor
(01:17:51) What should Canadians take away from this season?
(01:20:20) Thanks and what's next!

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After flying the CF-18 Hornet in combat and completing his first tour with the Snowbirds, Major Maciej "Match" Hatta set his sights on one of military aviation's most demanding challenges: Experimental Test Pilot School.

In Part 2 of this three-part series, Match takes us inside the United States Air Force Test Pilot School at Edwards Air Force Base. He explains the mindset that separates test pilots from operational pilots, the relentless pace of the course, and what it takes to evaluate aircraft at the edge of their flight envelopes.

From deep stalls in the F-16 Viper and low level flying in the C-17 to testing the CF-18's AESA radar and helping modernize the CT-114 Tutor, this episode offers a rare look into the world of flight testing and the people responsible for pushing aviation forward.

Chapters

(00:00:58) Introduction and welcome
(00:02:06) AETE tryouts
(00:08:30) When was it time to go to Test Pilot School?
(00:09:39) Was there a specific school you wanted to attend?
(00:10:40) Moving to Edwards Air Force Base
(00:10:57) Experiencing Test Pilot School as a family
(00:12:28) How COVID changed life in California
(00:15:31) How difficult is Test Pilot School?
(00:18:39) Pilot brain versus engineer brain
(00:21:05) Who excelled and who struggled?
(00:27:30) The hardest part of Test Pilot School
(00:29:25) The mindset shift from operations to test flying
(00:32:53) Lake Mead touch and goes in the Albatross
(00:38:24) Deep stalls in the F-16 Viper
(00:42:12) Flying the F-16 as an extension of your body
(00:48:15) The Sidewinder low level route
(00:53:11) Singing the praises of the C-17
(00:54:06) Joining AETE
(00:58:05) Testing the Hornet's AESA radar
(01:01:45) The first live AIM-9X missile shot
(01:04:20) Rare moments at AETE
(01:09:01) Helping modernize the CT-114 Tutor
(01:16:06) Top test flight moments

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Before he became Snowbird 1, Major Maciej "Match" Hatta spent years fighting for the chance to fly.

In Part 1 of this three-part series, Match shares the story behind his journey from Air Cadets in Milton, Ontario, to the cockpit of the CF-18 Hornet. He reflects on the VHS tape that sparked a lifelong dream, the vision issues that nearly ended his career before it began, the challenges of military flight training, and the determination that carried him through Moose Jaw, Fighter Lead-In Training, and operational service.

The conversation also explores flying NORAD missions, deploying on 22 combat sorties over Libya, and the lessons that shaped him long before he would one day lead the Canadian Forces Snowbirds.

Join us as we begin the story behind The Boss.

Chapters
(00:00:58) Introduction and bio
(00:03:09) Where did aviation start for you?
(00:05:44) When did flying become the dream?
(00:06:57) The importance of Air Cadets
(00:08:48) Glider and power courses with Air Cadets
(00:09:52) From Air Cadets to the Canadian Armed Forces
(00:10:32) A charted path or uncertainty?
(00:11:16) Vision issues nearly end the dream
(00:14:51) How Match earned his pilot medical
(00:16:48) Keeping the dream alive
(00:19:39) Phase 1 flight training
(00:21:26) Arriving in Moose Jaw
(00:23:16) What kind of student pilot was Match?
(00:24:36) How Match stopped getting airsick
(00:25:36) What came naturally and what humbled him
(00:28:05) When fighters became realistic
(00:33:24) Jumping into FLIT
(00:37:34) What comes after FLIT?
(00:39:33) Learning the CF-18 Hornet
(00:43:53) The flying is not the mission
(00:44:23) Surprises of operational fighter life
(00:47:52) Flying NORAD missions
(00:55:47) Does air-to-air refuelling ever stop being intimidating?
(00:57:35) Flying 22 combat sorties over Libya
(00:58:37) The first combat mission
(01:01:32) Learning from mistakes
(01:02:46) How military flying changed his perspective
(01:07:02) Thanks and what's next!

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Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Bray concludes our three-part series with a rare look behind the curtain of Canadian Special Operations Aviation. As the Commanding Officer of 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron, Chris explains how Special Operations Tactical Aviation Course (SOTAC) prepares aircrew for one of the Royal Canadian Air Force's most demanding environments, the qualities that define successful special operations aviators, and how the squadron continues to develop the next generation of capability.

We also discuss leadership, balancing family life with operational service, the Next Tactical Aviation Capability Set (NTACS), and Chris's vision for the future of Canadian Special Operations Aviation. This episode offers a rare perspective on 427 SOAS from the Commanding Officer himself.

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CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:01:48) Inside the Special Operations Tactical Aviation Course (SOTAC)
(00:02:54) How SOTAC Changed Special Operations Training
(00:04:07) Learning to Fight Alongside the Rest of the RCAF
(00:05:57) Building the First Generation of SOTAC Graduates
(00:06:44) Creating Canada's Next Special Operations Aviators
(00:07:58) Preparing for the Worst Day of Your Career
(00:11:51) Keeping SOTAC Ready for Tomorrow's Missions
(00:13:19) Is SOTAC a Selection Course?
(00:13:40) Who Can Become a Special Operations Aviator?
(00:15:43) The Role of a 427 Squadron Door Gunner
(00:16:44) The Traits Every SOF Aviator Needs
(00:17:29) Choosing a Career in Special Operations Aviation
(00:20:34) What Separates Success from Failure?
(00:23:49) Driving Innovation Across the RCAF
(00:25:26) The Future of NTACS
(00:28:17) Balancing Operational Service and Family Life
(00:31:39) Supporting Families Behind the Mission
(00:33:28) What It Means to Command 427 Squadron
(00:34:01) Seeing the Squadron Through a Commanding Officer's Eyes
(00:35:02) Leading in a Flat Organization
(00:37:02) The Leader Chris Bray Strives to Be
(00:39:32) The Future of Canadian Special Operations Aviation
(00:41:31) How to Earn a Place at 427 Squadron
(00:44:27) Looking Back with Pride
(00:45:25) Final Thoughts

Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Bray is the Commanding Officer of 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron, the Royal Canadian Air Force unit supporting the Canadian Special Operations Forces Command (CANSOFCOM).

In Part 2, we take a rare look behind the curtain of Canadian Special Operations Aviation, exploring how 427 Squadron evolved into the modern capability it is today. Chris explains the squadron's culture, what makes it unique among allied SOF aviation units, the philosophy of "no mission too small," the addition of the CE-145C Vigilance, and the standards that define one of Canada's most demanding aviation communities. We also discuss leadership, mission command, and how 427 built a reputation for professionalism, adaptability, and trust while supporting special operations around the world.

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CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and Welcome
(00:02:41) How 427 Squadron Reinvented Itself
(00:03:39) Building One Special Operations Aviation Culture
(00:06:49) Why the Squadron Had to Change
(00:09:44) Living Through the Transformation
(00:13:10) Earning a Reputation in Special Operations Aviation
(00:14:49) "No Mission Too Small"
(00:18:46) Expanding the Mission with the CE-145C Vigilance
(00:20:44) Learning to Think Beyond Helicopters
(00:22:53) What Makes 427 Different?
(00:26:21) Becoming an Organic CANSOFCOM Capability
(00:28:44) The Professionals Behind Every Mission
(00:30:04) Why Communications Can Make or Break a Mission
(00:31:12) Building Trust with Canada's Special Operations Forces
(00:33:44) Maintaining Elite Standards
(00:37:52) Rewriting the Rules: The New TOCA
(00:41:35) The Career Path of a Special Operations Aviator
(00:44:57) Balancing Risk and Mission Success
(00:46:22) Leading an Elite Squadron
(00:47:34) The Hardest Decisions as Commanding Officer
(00:49:57) Next Time: Inside SOTAC

Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Bray is the Commanding Officer of 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron, the Royal Canadian Air Force unit supporting the Canadian Special Operations Forces Command (CANSOFCOM).

In Part 1, Chris shares his journey from growing up outside the military to becoming a special operations aviator and leading one of the RCAF's most demanding helicopter squadrons. We discuss RCAF pilot training, flying the CH-146 Griffon, Operation IMPACT, and the experiences that shaped his career.

This episode also offers a rare look behind the curtain of Canadian Special Operations Aviation, exploring what it takes to earn a place at 427 Squadron and the mindset, professionalism, and leadership required to serve within one of Canada's most unique aviation communities.

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CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Introduction and bio
(00:03:47) Why Chris Chose the Canadian Armed Forces
(00:04:36) Discovering a Passion for Helicopters
(00:10:47) Learning the Mission at JRCC Halifax
(00:13:13) Surviving RCAF Pilot Training
(00:14:05) Learning to Fly Rotary Wing
(00:16:02) The Leap from Fixed Wing to Helicopters
(00:17:54) Mastering Confined Area Flying
(00:19:23) When Flying Finally Clicked
(00:20:13) Earning a Spot at 427 Squadron
(00:21:10) How Special Operations Aviators Are Selected
(00:23:30) First Impressions of 427 Squadron
(00:25:28) How 427 Squadron Evolved
(00:26:24) Starting Out in B Flight
(00:29:29) First Operational Deployments
(00:31:39) Flying on Operation IMPACT
(00:32:08) Operating in a Combat Threat Environment
(00:33:11) What Makes Special Operations Aviation Different
(00:36:40) The Future of Canada's Tactical Helicopter Fleet
(00:39:11) Inside a Special Operations Mission
(00:41:02) Growing into Leadership
(00:42:04) From Pilot to Leader
(00:47:06) Becoming a Special Operations Flight Lead
(00:48:04) Leadership Under Pressure
(00:50:24) Returning to Operation IMPACT as Detachment Commander
(00:51:24) Leading Aircrew in a Threat Environment
(00:52:24) Building the Future Force
(00:54:26) Lessons from Strategic Leadership
(00:57:48) Coming Up in Part 2

Every military aviator carries stories that stay with them long after the aircraft shuts down.

To mark the milestone of 100 episodes, we're looking back at the moments that revealed the true weight of military aviation. This second retrospective shifts from learning to fly to learning what comes after. A pilot's first time facing enemy fire, split-second decisions under pressure, devastating loss, the invisible burdens many carry home, and the resilience that keeps crews moving forward.

Featuring stories from fighter pilots, search and rescue crews, tactical helicopter crews, transport crews, and more, including the CF-18 Hornet, the CH-146 Griffon, and many other aircraft, this episode explores the realities of operational military aviation through the voices of those who lived it.

Whether you've been with us since Episode 1 or you're discovering The Pilot Project for the first time, The First 100 Series is the best place to start.

If you or someone you know is struggling, support is available. The Canadian Forces Member Assistance Program (CFMAP) provides confidential assistance to Canadian Armed Forces members, veterans, and their families. You can contact them at:

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CHAPTERS

(00:00:58) Introduction
(00:03:03) Act 1: Contact - Greg Juurlink - I was a brand new FO
(00:07:20) Eric Kenny - The missile exploded between us
(00:09:26) Troy Clarke - Is this what SAR is going to be?
(00:13:00) Anthony Dyer - My first CASEVAC ever
(00:14:50) Davis Clark - You don't know if it's a threat or not
(00:17:05) Act 2: The Line - Greg Juurlink - We got shot up
(00:23:00) Bob Wade - Escorting MiGs to Canada
(00:25:45) Dan McWilliams - Never fly into vortices
(00:28:40) Pete Wright & Greg Hudson - This is what we signed up for, let's go!
(00:30:39) Niels Olson - You don't know which way is up
(00:31:22) Dan McWilliams - Less than a wingspan above the ground
(00:32:12) Niels Olson - Certified Cocaine Boat!
(00:34:27) Bob Wade - One of you is going to die
(00:35:29) Act 3: The Ones We Lost - Greg Juurlink - Angel Flights in Afghanistan
(00:37:08) Vic Weston - Tom "Toast" McQueen
(00:40:38) Anthony Dyer - It's a smell you never forget
(00:41:43) Dan McWilliams - Timothy Kirk Leuty
(00:43:02) Rich MacDougall - Jenn Casey
(00:49:16) Mike Houle - Shattering Grief
(00:53:13) Act 4: The Burden - Greg Juurlink - A full bucket
(00:55:33) Bryan Morrison - I'm not OK
(00:58:45) Vic Weston - I'm not good to go
(00:59:58) Paul Goddard - You can't save everybody
(01:01:22) Dan McWilliams - Fears that last
(01:02:35) Lyndsay Olson - The Hardest Deployment
(01:04:41) Niels Olson - The Weight of Distance
(01:05:20) Janet Musters - Everything AND the Kitchen Sink
(01:06:36) Rich MacDougall - Your life has just changed forever
(01:08:59) Act 5: Blue Skies and the Way Forward - Bob Wade - A consequence of doing what you did
(01:10:03) Bryan Morrison - The value of my career vs everything else
(01:12:03) Anthony Dyer - Better or bitter
(01:13:45) Greg Juurlink - The most important thing is asking for help
(01:15:00) Bob Wade - I miss the boys
(01:15:52) Vic Weston - Honouring Tom "Toast" McQueen
(01:17:42) Rich MacDougall - She was a force to be reckoned with
(01:19:37) Paul Goddard - As good as it gets
(01:20:01) Mike Houle - Don't Hide the Pain
(01:20:26) Vic Weston - Keep movin' forward
(01:20:43) Outro and Special Thank You

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For 100 episodes, The Pilot Project Podcast has explored the world of military and mission aviation through the people who have lived it.

In Part 1 of our retrospective series, The Climb, we look back at the making of military aviators.

From the first moments that sparked the dream, to the grind of training, the edge of high-performance flying, and the toll service can take even in peacetime, this episode traces the journey behind the wings.

These are the moments that shaped them, and the reasons they kept going.

CHAPTERS

(00:00:00) Intro/Cold open
(00:01:31) Act 1: The Spark - Dan McWilliams - First Fighter Flight
(00:03:09) Bob Wade - The Wonder of the Golden Hawks
(00:03:46) Mike Houle - Hercs Over the Lake
(00:05:05) Vince C-Benoit - Wheat Fields in Afghanistan
(00:05:57) Rock Veilleux - Gliding with Air Cadets
(00:08:44) Act 2: The Grind - Mike Houle - The Firehose
(00:09:58) Dan Conway - First Real Doubts
(00:10:11) Brian Kilroy - The Pressure Cooker
(00:13:38) Pete Musters - P is for Pilot
(00:14:17) Dan McWilliams - Owning Mistakes
(00:14:45) Jeff Foreman - Scale Change
(00:15:09) Dan McWilliams - Fighter Dreams Derailed
(00:17:57) Dan Conway - 98% Awesome
(00:18:55) Act 3: The Edge - Skye Simpson - The Imposter
(00:20:10) Bryan Morrison - The Culture Shock
(00:20:54) Ian Wookey - Realizing You're Terrible at Flying Helicopters
(00:22:26) Rock Veilleux - Flying the Hawk
(00:24:40) Brian Kilroy - The Edge of Capability
(00:28:52) Skye Simpson - A Stick of Gum
(00:30:39) Rock Veilleux - The Ejection
(00:39:16) Act 4: The Toll - Dan McWilliams - Twisted Bits of Aluminum
(00:40:17) Duncan MacIsaac - How Many Lives Did They Save?
(00:41:48) Dan McWilliams - BAM! It Was Over.
(00:43:25) Bob Wade - The Weight of Instructing
(00:44:16) Rock Veilleux - The Road to Recovery
(00:48:34) CFMAP Information
(00:48:59) Act 5: Why We Fly - Blake McNaughton - Brothers and Sisters
(00:49:56) Rich MacDougall - Most Memorable Flight
(00:50:52) Jeff Foreman - This Is Your Captain Speaking
(00:51:28) Rich MacDougall - 25 Years Ago, That Was Me
(00:52:03) Blake McNaughton - A Gig Like Nothing Else

Retired Lieutenant-Colonel Maryse Carmichael returns to discuss the Snowbirds, the retirement of the CT-114 Tutor, the planned operational pause, and the future of one of Canada’s most recognizable aviation teams.

In Part 2 of this conversation, Maryse explains what Canadians do not see behind a Snowbirds performance, from months of training and preparation to the trust, discipline, teamwork, and safety culture required to fly nine aircraft in close formation. She also shares powerful stories about the team's impact, including how one airshow inspired a future Snowbirds pilot.

Drawing on her experience as both a Snowbirds pilot and former Commanding Officer, Maryse reflects on the team's legacy, the risks of losing hard-earned expertise, and what she hopes the next generation of Snowbirds pilots will inherit.

CHAPTERS
(00:00:00) Introduction and Episode Overview
(00:01:01) The Hidden Work Behind a Snowbirds Airshow
(00:06:13) Flying a First Snowbirds Show in Quebec City
(00:09:32) Common Misconceptions About the Snowbirds Demonstration Team
(00:12:26) Training for Emergencies in a Nine-Jet Snowbirds Formation
(00:14:16) How Snowbirds Prepare for Emergencies Before Every Flight
(00:15:00) The Snowbirds Mission: Inspiration, Recruitment, and Public Engagement
(00:16:04) Inspiring the Next Generation of Canadian Military Pilots
(00:17:01) Why the Snowbirds Still Matter After 55 Years
(00:17:56) What Makes a Great Snowbird Pilot?
(00:19:12) How Pilots Are Assigned Their Snowbirds Positions
(00:20:28) How Long It Takes to Build a Snowbird Pilot
(00:21:07) The Hardest Skills to Teach a Snowbird Pilot
(00:24:47) How Trust Is Built Inside the Snowbirds
(00:27:08) Balancing Safety and Spectacle in an Air Demonstration Team
(00:28:51) The Story Behind the Snowbirds Heart Maneuver
(00:29:44) What Keeps a Snowbirds Commanding Officer Awake at Night
(00:33:29) Why the CT-114 Tutor Was the Perfect Demonstration Aircraft
(00:34:31) Did Anyone Expect the CT-114 Tutor to Fly for 63 Years?
(00:35:38) Saying Goodbye to the CT-114 Tutor
(00:37:31) What Canadians Underestimate About the CT-157 Siskin Transition
(00:39:10) Lessons from the Red Arrows and Other Aerobatic Teams
(00:41:19) The Strongest Argument for a Snowbirds Pause
(00:43:25) What Canada Risks Losing During the Snowbirds Pause
(00:45:51) The Hardest Snowbirds Skills to Rebuild
(00:48:58) What Concerns Snowbirds Alumni Most
(00:49:33) What the Snowbirds Alumni Association Wants to See Happen
(00:54:24) What the Snowbirds Mean to Maryse Carmichael
(00:55:18) What Canadians Should See in Nine Red and White Aircraft
(00:55:38) The Legacy Maryse Carmichael Hopes the Next Snowbirds Inherit

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Maryse’s story begins in Part 1, where she discusses flying the CT-114 Tutor, becoming the first female jet demonstration pilot, and her path to the Snowbirds.
Snowbirds: The Pause Part 1: Flying the CT-114 Tutor and Becoming the First Female Jet Demonstration Pilot - Maryse Carmichael

Maryse mentioned our interview with Comd RCAF, Jamie Speiser-Blanchet
Command: The Future Force: Building a Fifth Generation Air Force - Jamie Speiser-Blanchet
Maryse also discusses the challenge of preserving specialized aviation expertise during transition, a theme we explored in our SEEDCORN series. https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/episodes/command-the-future-force-jamie-speiser-blanchetLong Range Patrol: The P-8 SEEDCORN Part 1Long Range Patrol: The P-8 SEEDCORN Part 2
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Before she commanded the Snowbirds, Maryse Carmichael was a young Air Cadet from Quebec City with a dream of becoming a military pilot. That dream would eventually make her the first woman to fly with the Snowbirds - and the first woman to fly with any jet aerobatic demonstration team in the world.

In Part 1, Maryse shares her journey through Air Cadets, flight training in Moose Jaw, instructional flying on the CT-114 Tutor, operational flying with 434 Squadron, VIP operations with 412 Squadron, and serving in Bagotville during the post-9/11 years. Along the way she discusses Exercise RV92, flying with her brother, supporting the Prime Minister, and the experiences that shaped her leadership philosophy.

Maryse also reflects on earning a position with the Snowbirds, learning precision formation aerobatics, flying formation inverted, and eventually returning to command 431 Air Demonstration Squadron. It is a story of perseverance, trust, leadership, and one of the most remarkable careers in Canadian military aviation.

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Maryse mentioned our interview with Jamie Speiser-Blanchet. Check it out:
https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/episodes/command-the-future-force-jamie-speiser-blanchet

If you're interested in another Snowbirds perspective, check out our interview with Blake McNaughton:
https://podpilotproject.transistor.fm/episodes/snowbirds-the-unexpected-path-blake-mcnaughton

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