Podcast
We're Obsessed
Your FYP has a podcast! Every Wednesday and Friday, The Ringer’s Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti dig into the pop culture obsessions, celebrity gossip, viral vernacular, and media crazes that are taking over your life.
- Entertainment News chart
- #31
- Episodes
- 107
- Releases
- Twice a week
- Typical length
- 1 hr 32 min
- On air since
- 2025
- Latest episode
- 1 week ago
Episodes
107 episodes, newest first
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1 hr 31 min
A Terrifying GLEEBOOT, Kim Kardashian’s Halloween Costume Crimes, and a Harrowing ‘Love Is Blind’ Boston Recap
Show notes
Jodi and Nora are taking on Boston and several other things we didn’t ask for! First, Nora shares some of her Taylor Swift song rankings before laying down the law on Halloween costumes (Kim Kardashian, we’re looking at you). Then, the girls confront the deeply unsettling news of a ‘Glee’ reboot, and attempt to make sense of the latest season of 'Love Is Blind' in Boston. They dive into cheating pastors and more on the We’re Obsessed Book Club before wrapping up with their personal obsessions.
(0:00) Intro
(2:45) Taylor Swift song rankings
(14:42) Halloween rules
(18:26) Paul Rudd enters the bird drama
(20:47) GLEEBOOT: The Reboot Nobody Asked For
(33:48) ‘Love Is Blind’ Season 11 (spoilers!)
(56:22) We’re Obsessed Book Club
(1:20:17) Personal Obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Devon Renaldo
Engineer: Adam TarinLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 39 min
‘You Can See Everything,’ Wearing an Earring on Your Sleeve, and a ‘Dance Moms’ Musical?
Show notes
We did see everything! Jodi and Nora get into their reactions to Nathan Fielder’s new documentary, ‘You Can See Everything.’ Plus, they talk about women in STEM, a ‘Dance Moms’ musical, and Katie Zacharia’s brief (but funny) stint as the White House press secretary. They cap it off with a discussion of listener responses to this week’s introspective question: What’s your best beef?
(00:00) Intro
(02:30) Quickies
(26:17) Katie Zacharia is not an attorney or a press secretary
(38:10) ‘You Can See Everything’
(58:01) Spoiler warning!
(01:21:02) Introspective questions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Carlos Chiriboga
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 29 min
Kelly Clarkson Is BACK, and So Is HBO's 'Girls'
Show notes
Is Kelly Clarkson relatable? Is she capable of “asymmetrical social warfare”? Adam Rubin has thoughts, and so do Jodi and Nora. The pod kicks off with updates on the flyaway pumpkin and Harry Styles at MSG, before diving back into the ongoing Kelly Clarkson bird situation. Then it’s off to Animal Corner, where they investigate Chicago billionaires feeding squirrels nuts and the Upper West Side barn owls taking over NYC. Plus, the Lenaquake is imminent, 'Girls' is making a comeback, and, as always, they wrap things up with their personal obsessions.
(0:46) Harry Styles update
(12:30) Kelly Clarkson has put us in danger!
(52:17) Animal Corner
(1:12:53) ‘Girls’ reunion!!
(1:18:02) Personal obsessionsHosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Devon Renaldo
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 41 min
The Kelly Clarkson Bird Feud, a Banana Bowl Bonanza, and Shane Gillis: Not Funny?
Show notes
It’s been a BIG week for the birds (both the women and literal ones). Jodi and Nora kick things off with Julianne Moore’s immaculate 'Architectural Digest' tour, Alexander Skarsgård’s deeply confusing footwear at the 'Wicker' premiere, and Tobey Maguire officiating his ex’s wedding. Then it’s time to enter the Banana Bowl, a.k.a. live-action 'Glee,' where the Jonas Brothers are involved and somehow so is the U.S. Department of War. (We have questions. Few answers.) Later, we head to Owned Court to unpack Shane Gillis’s 'SNL' monologue, and Jodi shares some boots-on-the-ground reporting on the Kelly Clarkson–Art of Play beef. Finally, they cap it off with a discussion of listener responses to this week’s introspective question: Are you more likely to join or lead a cult?
(5:50 Julianne Moore’s AD tour
(13:36) Alexander Skarsgard’s freaky shoes
(15:59) Tobey Maguire officiates his ex's wedding
(18:01) What’s going on with the Banana Bowl?
(32:40) Shane Gillis vs. whores
(43:14) Kristi Noem vs. Kacey Musgraves
(47:33) Jessica Chastain vs. Jeremy Strong
(55:14) The Kelly Clarkson bird fiasco
(1:25:52) Introspective questionHosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Devon Renaldo
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 31 min
Girls We Love, the World of Micro-Dramas, and the Issey Miyake Montessori School Teachers
Show notes
Finally, a girl week! Jodi and Nora start off the pod with a segment about girls who they are loving this week, including Saoirse Ronan, Zara Larsson, Tyra Banks, and Tom DeLonge. Then, they break down this week’s dispatch from the Montessori schools of Williamsburg and just kinda laugh at that video of David Ellison trying to act in ‘Flyboys’ that’s been going around. Next, they dive into Daniel Kolitz’s amazing feature in New York Times Magazine about the wild world of micro-dramas. Finally, they each share their personal obsession of the week.
0:00 Saoirse Ronan isn’t thinking about James Bond
13:22 Zara Larsson’s revolutionary outfit change
21:27 Tyra Banks is reviving 'Modelland'
37:47 Tom DeLonge gets emo at a baseball game
40:11 Pleats Please Montessori teachers in Williamsburg
50:34 David Ellison in ‘Flyboys’
58:30 The world of micro-dramas
1:23:19 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Adam TarinLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 34 min
Pete Davidson vs. Influencers, Martin Herlihy vs. DeuxMoi, and Pope Leo vs. AI
Show notes
Court is in session! Jodi and Nora start off the pod by updating listeners and each other on Nora’s AC units and Jodi’s spiritual journey. Then, they don their robes to make decisions on who got owned in this week’s cultural matchups, including the corgis racing in the Corgi Cup, Jeremy Allen White vs. Jeff Horwitz, Pete Davidson vs. influencers, and Martin Herlihy vs. DeuxMoi. Next, they tackle how religion is handling this brave new world, from Pope Leo beefing with Anthropic to the Mormon church making sports betting and prediction markets off-limits. Finally, they share your answers to this week’s introspective question: What is your most “don’t judge me” obsession/passion/hobby?
0:00 Nora’s AC units and Jodi’s spiritual journey
11:00 The Usain Bolt of corgis vs. the other normal corgis
17:36 Jeremy Allen White vs. Jeff Horwitz
25:27 Pete Davidson vs. influencers
33:43 Martin Herlihy vs. DeuxMoi
41:28 Pope Leo is beefing with Anthropic
51:42 LeBron James is promoting Polymarket
1:04:48 Mormon church denounces sports betting and prediction markets
1:12:10 Introspective question
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 30 min
Aaron Sorkin’s Diabolical Tan and Mike Tomlin’s Minecraft City
Show notes
Random episode alert! Jodi and Nora start off the pod by celebrating the winner of Fat Bear Week and discussing a couple of updates and oddities in their lives. Then, they get into the men of this week, including Guillermo on ‘Dancing With the Stars,’ the Pop-Tarts Buzzballz collab (spiritually a man despite Buzzballz being woman-founded), Aaron Sorkin, Casey Affleck, Bill Belichick, Mike Vrabel, Mike Tomlin, and Tom Cruise. Finally, they each share their personal obsession of the week.
0:00 Fat Bear Week winner
6:46 Jodi’s colander method for hair drying
14:37 Nora got Peacock with no ads
18:31 Jet Lag: The Game Japanorama
21:46 Guillermo on ‘Dancing With the Stars’
25:33 Pop-Tarts–Buzzballz collab
32:48 Aaron Sorkin’s diabolical tan
46:35 Casey Affleck calling Chris Nolan about ‘Tenet’
53:20 A Jordon update
58:12 Mike Vrabel’s Patriots team is bad
1:02:08 Mike Tomlin’s Minecraft city
1:13:52 Tom Cruise in the spirit tunnel
1:17:48 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 48 min
‘The Life of a Showgirl: The Encore’ and the ‘Love Is Blind’ Boston Cast
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start off the pod by going through the many men of ‘Love Is Blind’ Boston and their many strange taglines. Then, they deep-dive their feelings about Taylor Swift’s ‘The Life of a Showgirl: The Encore,’ her VMAs appearance, and the problem with artistic muses. Next, they sweep into SeaWorld’s romantasy zone and talk about The Cut’s fantastic essay about ‘Heated Rivalry’ fan fiction addiction. Finally, they read the one dedicated response to this week’s introspective question: What’s the saved search you check most often, or would be most excited to get a hit on?
0:00 ‘Love Is Blind’ Boston cast
13:19 ‘The Life of a Showgirl: The Encore’
59:40 SeaWorld’s romantasy zone
1:12:30 The Cut’s ‘Heated Rivalry’ fan fiction essay
1:133:21 Introspective question
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 34 min
The COVID-Cautious Lesbian Bar in Western Massachusetts, and a ‘You Can See Everything’ Trailer
Show notes
This week is about two things: Local disputes and long-form journalism. Jodi and Nora start off the pod by talking through the generational divide that has set the internet on fire: To bring or not to bring an iced coffee to a job interview. Then, they discuss two different septuagenarians involved in altercations in New York this week, including a cookbook store owner sick of long lines and a woman who was positively surrounded by Tracy Anderson’s trio of standard poodles. Next, they hunker down with the biggest viral story we’ve had in a long time in the form of the Boston Globe’s coverage of the COVID-cautious lesbian bar in Western Massachusetts and the myriad main and peripheral characters involved. Finally, they react to the new trailer for ‘You Can See Everything’ before each sharing their personal obsession for the week.
0:00 Iced coffee at an interview
18:49 An altercation at a Harry Styles pop-up
29:58 Tracy Anderson’s “vicious” poodles
36:41 COVID-cautious lesbian bar in Western Massachusetts
1:17:17 ‘You Can See Everything’ trailer
1:22:46 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha AshallLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 45 min
The Fake Channing Tatum Burner, ‘SLOMW’ Drama, and a Viral Singing Jack-o-Lantern
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start off the pod by talking about the start of Fat Bear Week, a viral singing jack-o-lantern, and Tom Cruise explaining Vista Vision to Travis Kelce. Then, they dive into the now-debunked internet conspiracy theory that the Instagram account @bidness_nonya was Channing Tatum’s burner account. Next, they catch up on some television, including the ‘Traitors’ normie season and cast for the next celebrity season, and everything that’s going on around ‘Secret Lives of Mormon Wives’ Season 5. Finally, they read reader responses to this (and last) week’s introspective question: What’s something you liked the idea of, but never lives up to the hype?
0:00 Fat Bear Week
12:33 Viral singing jack-o-lantern
26:41 Tom Cruise on the New Heights podcast
35:32 Fake Channing Tatum burner
55:38 ‘Traitors’ catch-up
1:08:20 ’SLOMW’ drama
1:22:10 Introspective question
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha AshallLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 23 min
Macklemore and Ed Sheeran, a Reformation Vibe Check, and Season 10 of ‘9-1-1’
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start off the pod by talking about Jodi’s no good, very bad morning. Then, they talk about a few stories where people and things just can’t help being themselves, including the ‘9-1-1’ Season 10 trailer, Netflix’s ‘The New Stanford Prison Experiment,’ Olivia Jade’s Reformation campaign, new viral vernacular from Anthropic, Kash Patel’s new FBI rules around bestiality, and Travis Kelce being victimized by a Ponzi scheme. Next, Jodi and Nora discuss the myriad statements and the fallout from Macklemore being dropped from Ed Sheeran’s tour due to pressure from Robert Kraft after his statements about Palestine at MetLife Stadium. Finally, they each share their personal obsession of the week.
5:27 New trailer for Season 10 of 9-1-1
13:18 Netflix’s ‘The New Stanford Prison Experiment’
19:22 Olivia Jade’s Reformation campaign
32:07 Anthropic’s boy math
35:23 Kash Patel on bestiality
40:26 Travis Kelce got got by a Ponzi scheme
45:15 Macklemore and Ed Sheeran
1:08:07 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 36 min
The Emmys, Shailene Woodley, and New York’s Most Eligible Singles
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start off the pod by talking about their favorite moments, fashion, and wins from the Emmys. Then, they talk about three messy women: Dakota Johnson, Elizabeth Holmes, and Shailene Woodley. Next, Jodi and Nora go through The Cut’s list of the most eligible singles in New York City and try to parse through myriad ways it appears AI may kill us all. Finally, they read the one dedicated response to this week’s introspective question: What’s something you liked the idea of, but never lives up to the hype? That’s also, incidentally, next week’s introspective question too because we forgot to say it on last week’s show! DM us!
00:00 The Emmys
16:48 Dakota Johnson and MGK
27:17 Elizabeth Holmes’s Twitter
31:32 What’s up with Shailene Woodley?
53:54 The Cut’s most eligible singles
1:12:00 Is AI going to kill us?
1:23:36 Introspective question
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 29 min
Seeing Everything With Nathan Fielder, Very Strange (but Real) Gal Gadot Headlines, and Youth Culture With the Biebers
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start this week by catching up about Nora’s appearance at the Creative Arts Emmys and all the special celebs that she got to sit next to. Then, they get into the exciting (and surprising) dating news involving Bravo’s Phaedra Parks and CT of 'The Challenge' before diving into multiple real Gal Gadot headlines that sound very much fake. They try to evaluate the Biebers’ WYouth interview, give updates on more Stella Lefty plagiarism allegations, and then get excited about Nathan Fielder’s secret Elizabeth Holmes documentary. They cap it off with listener responses to this week's introspective question: What is something that can happen only where you live?
Wait! We forgot to plug the introspective question for next week! What’s something you always like the idea of, but never lives up to the concept?Jodi's are yoga, and putting an egg on a burger.
DM us your perpetual letdowns on Instagram or email us at wereobsessedpod@gmail.com
(00:00) Catching up on the weekend
(14:21) Quicker hits
(40:13) Another Stella Lefty plagiarism accusation
(56:46) Nathan Fielder’s secret documentary
(1:11:53) Introspective questions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producers: Sasha Ashall and Ashleigh Smith
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1 hr 43 min
The Clippers Controversy, US Open Etiquette, and ‘Sterling Point’
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start off the show by recounting their separate experiences at the Kacey Musgraves concert in NYC. Then, they talk through the ‘Dancing With the Stars’ cast announcement, Amelia Dimoldenberg’s announcement that she’s ending ‘Chicken Shop Date,’ and Kelly Clarkson’s performance of "Golden." It’s been a sporting summer, so it’s only right that we cover two huge sports stories from this past week: the LA Clippers’ salary cap violations and influencers at the US Open. Finally, they talk about their favorite young adult show right now, ‘Sterling Point,’ before each sharing their personal obsession of the week.
0:00 Kacey Musgraves concert
9:03 'Dancing With the Stars' cast
18:31 'Chicken Shop Date' is retiring
21:42 Kelly Clarkson retires talk show
26:19 Clippers controversy
55:45 US Open etiquette
1:11:35 ‘Sterling Point’
1:20:35 ‘Sterling Point’ spoilers
1:32:49 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 40 min
The 49ers Scammer, Stella Lefty, and Jared Freid!
Show notes
Jodi and Nora start off the pod by catching up on a very NYC moment, the types of fun, and a previously alleged dig and currently alleged dog. Then, they talk about a trio of definite and possible scams: the 49ers scammer, Oreogate, and Stella Lefty. Finally, comedian Jared Freid joins them to read your responses to this week’s introspective question: What’s a way in which you’re turning into your parents?
Check out Jared’s special on Netflix now!
00:00 Catching up
9:31 Wendy Kelce-Swift
13:22 Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi
22:53 The 49ers scammer
42:14 Oreogate
49:28 Stella Lefty
1:00:34 Introspective question with Jared Freid
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Guest: Jared Freid
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineer: Remy Hernandez
Additional Production Support: Kate AhearnLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 43 min
Good Good Golf’s Ill-Advised Ad, Chef Influencers, and Business School for Kids
Show notes
Book club time! Jodi starts off the pod by shouting to the rooftops about Leah Remini joining the ‘Real Housewives of Beverly Hills’ cast, Pitbull’s iconic tribute to Dolly Parton, and Vin Diesel’s haunting rendition of "I Will Always Love You." Then, they talk about a few media stories from the last week, including the Wall Street Journal’s “Contractors and Chefs Are Becoming Influencers—With Their Clients’ Permission,” Emily Sundberg’s “Co-founder of The Wing opens business school for kids,” the ill-advised Good Good Golf and Callaway commercial, and Bloomberg’s “The Unraveling of Podcaster Ashley Flowers’ True Crime Empire.” Finally, they each share their personal obsessions for the week.
00:00 Jodi’s Paul Revere shouts
14:56 Chefs and contractors are becoming influencers
30:10 Business school for kids
51:10 Good Good Golf commercial
1:11:14 Ashley Flowers’s Audiochuck
1:27:45 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineers: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 27 min
Gwyneth’s AI Dinner Party and Harry and Meghan’s U.S. Exit
Show notes
The Montecito is strong in this one. Jodi and Nora start off the pod by mourning the loss of the great Dolly Parton and checking in on their Instagram DMs. Then, they talk about some Real Headlines That Sound Fake concerning Kacey Musgraves, Scarlett Johansson, Connor Storrie and Erling Haaland, and an Amazon drone. Next, they talk through some rich people business, including Gwyneth Paltrow’s Amagansett dinner party with Sam Altman and the reports that Prince Harry and Meghan are returning to the U.K. Finally, they share your responses to this week’s introspective question: What is one fact or anecdote that tells us everything we need to know about you?
00:00 Remembering Dolly Parton
6:15 Deep in the DMs
20:42 Kacey Musgraves’s disco balls
25:13 Scarlett Johansson’s magnesium routine
28:49 Connor Storrie and Erling Haaland get buzz cuts
36:51 Amazon drone mishap
44:50 Gwyneth Paltrow’s AI dinner party
58:12 Prince Harry and Meghan
1:12:34 Introspective question
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineers: Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 32 min
The State of Straight Dating Remains Desperate
Show notes
Jodi and Nora kick off the pod by reporting on the fresh set of recalls we’ve experienced this week. Then, they talk about some man news, including "Pablo Pledgescobar" at Penn State, Jason Kelce’s new pee-based venture, and the Goose AI controversy. Next, they dive deep into the New York Times’s recent feature, “Inside the World of High-End Matchmaking,” why the state of straight dating seems so desperate, and what’s up with the phrase “geez-o-petes.” Finally, they note two further viral instances of “geez-o-petes,” and each share their personal obsessions for the week.
00:00 A fresh set of recalls
10:49 Pablo Pledgescobar
19:38 Jason Kelce wants your pee
29:36 Goose AI controversy
43:52 NYT’s “Inside the World of High-End Matchmaking”
1:16:25 “Geez-o-petes”
1:22:07 Personal obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineers: Lucy Brick and Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 34 min
Celebrity Summer Weddings and Some Scam Updates
Show notes
Jodi and Nora kick off the pod by remembering Hayden Panettiere’s greatest cultural accomplishments. Then, they get out some late summer sillies, including two celebrity weddings, how Nicole Kidman raves, Chanty Beluga, and the chatter around Natalie Harp. Next, they do some summer scam updates, including incriminating Phia Slack messages, a Forbes "30 Under 30" scammer curse final boss, and Bethenny Frankel’s unlawfully giant tables at Supermodel Cafe. Finally, they share your responses to this week’s introspective question: What’s a recall you’ve flagrantly ignored, and/or what’s a recall you would flagrantly ignore?
00:00 Remembering Hayden Panettiere
7:49 Jack Antonoff, Sabrina Carpenter, and Phoebe Bridgers
15:44 Jordyn Woods and Karl-Anthony Towns’s wedding
24:52 Nicole Kidman in Vogue
28:27 Chanty Belgua
33:54 Who is Natalie Harp?
49:29 Phia scam updates
59:43 Forbes "30 Under 30" scammer curse final boss
1:04:32 Bethenny Frankel’s Supermodel Cafe
1:11:34 Introspective question
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineers: Lucy Brick and Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 hr 32 min
‘One Night Only’ and Audrey Hobert Lore
Show notes
Jodi and Nora kick off the pod with the great seltzer debate between Spindrift and La Croix, before shouting from the rooftops (or a horse?), “The Roxies are coming!” They get into some We’re Obsessed-specific Paul Revere shouts, including Reece Weaver being named the new Roxie Hart, AOC being publicly single, Role Model’s BBC Live Lounge, and Audrey Hobert’s brother’s Gap commercial. Then, they report back on ‘The Shards’ and ‘One Night Only,’ before gushing over Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys as a couple (thank you, Variety). Finally, they each share their personal obsession for the week.
00:00 The great seltzer debate
8:02 Reece Weaver is Roxie Hart
20:53 AOC is single
30:03 Role Model’s BBC Live Lounge
34:12 Malcolm Todd’s Gap commercial and Audrey Hobert’s Tiny Desk
48:18 ‘The Shards’
55:44 ‘One Night Only’
1:12:02 Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys
1:20:56 Personal Obsessions
Hosts: Jodi Walker and Nora Princiotti
Producer: Sasha Ashall
Engineers: Lucy Brick and Remy HernandezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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