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Why are 12,000 people waiting for a pizza they can barely get their hands on?
A.K. Pizza has become one of Seattle’s most talked-about pizzerias, with thousands of people waiting for the next pizza drop. Eidref visits Alex to see what makes these pies worth the hype, from the dough and carefully chosen ingredients to the small-team operation behind every pizza. Alex shares why he’s focused on quality over quantity—and why growing bigger isn’t necessarily the goal.
Highlights:
0:52 – Why Everyone Is Waiting for A.K. Pizza
1:10 – From Local Buzz to National Recognition
2:23 – A Small Menu With Seasonal Specials
3:12 – Thousands of People Waiting to Order
3:29 – Is Ordering A.K. Pizza Like Ticketmaster?
3:39 – Are Bots Buying All the Pizzas?
3:46 – What Makes A.K. Pizza Worth the Hype?
4:18 – A Two-Hour Vodka Sauce and Late Nights
4:37 – Why Making Pizza Doesn’t Feel Like Work
5:10 – Making Burrata From Scratch
5:37 – Choosing Quality Over Cutting Costs
5:59 – The Pressure of Having One Dough Ball Left
6:22 – Making the Ordering Experience Worth It
6:49 – Why Alex Still Wants to Make the Pizza Himself
7:04 – Running A.K. Pizza Alongside a Full-Time Job
7:46 – Will A.K. Pizza Expand in the Future?
8:03 – Does A.K. Pizza Live Up to the Hype?
8:18 – That Crunchy Crust and Airy Dough
8:56 – Why Alex Isn’t Ready to Open a Second Location
9:04 – How Investors Could Change the Business
9:26 – Why He Won’t Compromise on Ingredients
10:26 – What Matters Most to Alex as a Pizza Maker
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How do you get people to try something that looks like pizza but isn’t quite pizza?

Eidref visits Manakish Oven and Grill in San Jose to learn about this Middle Eastern flatbread and the story behind the business. From making dough in-house to introducing customers to new flavors, the owners share how they built their business and why great food alone isn’t enough to get discovered.

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Highlights:
0:00 – Is It Pizza or Something Else?
0:18 – Bringing Manakish to the Bay Area
0:38 – Making the Dough and Sauces From Scratch
0:54 – Cheese, Pepperoni & a Three-Minute Bake
1:10 – The Soft, Crispy Texture of Manakish
1:24 – Bringing the Flavors of Home to California
2:18 – How Online Ordering Helped Grow the Business
2:23 – Building a Branded App for Loyal Customers
2:35 – Generating Nearly $500K a Year in Online Sales
2:58 – What Wasn’t Working Before
3:12 – Taking a Chance on a New Solution
3:36 – Why Sometimes You Just Have to Take the Risk
4:00 – Seeing Results Within the First 10 Days
4:31 – How Do You Explain Manakish to First-Time Customers?
4:51 – Getting People to Understand a New Kind of Flatbread
5:20 – One Taste Can Turn Someone Into a Lifelong Fan
5:45 – Why Being Discoverable Matters for Halal Food
5:54 – Why Great Food Alone Isn’t Enough
6:21 – What Does It Take to Run a Successful Restaurant?
6:21 – Using Technology to Compete With Bigger Restaurant Brands
7:01 – Building a Website Without Spending Thousands
7:08 – The Lesson Behind Their Growth

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Is a $50 pizza actually worth it?
Eidref visits Slice of Homage in the South Bay to talk Detroit-style pizza, premium ingredients, and what it really costs to make a great pizza. Steven shares how he went from selling Sicilians to friends and family to building one of the Bay Area’s most recognized Detroit-style pizza spots — and why charging $50 for a pizza can actually make sense.
Highlights:
0:52 – From $20 Sicilians to $50 Pizzas
1:39 – The Two-Day Dough Behind Slice of Homage
2:09 – That Crazy Detroit-Style Crunch
2:30 – Starting a Pizza Business With Almost No Money
3:02 – Learning the Hard Way Through Pop-Ups
3:36 – How Detroit Pizza Took Off in the Bay Area
4:35 – Why a $50 Pizza Can Actually Be Worth It
4:52 – The Cost of Premium Ingredients & Labor
5:53 – Why He Can’t Sell His Pizza for $20
6:16 – What It Actually Costs to Make a Pizza
6:44 – Rent, Payroll, Insurance & the Real Cost of Running a Pizzeria
6:56 – Working 70–80 Hours to Build the Business
7:18 – Corner Piece or Side Piece?
7:45 – Why the Crunch Still Hits 40 Minutes Later
8:05 – The Best Part of Being a Pizza Maker
8:12 – Why He Refuses to Cut Corners
8:50 – The People Behind the Pizza
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What happens when a pizza business gets too big for the systems that got it there?

Eidref sits down with Marc from Square Pie Guys to talk about what happens when a pizza business really starts to scale. From selling more than 800,000 pizzas on DoorDash to opening multiple locations, Marc shares the expensive lessons, growing pains, maintenance issues, and the challenge of relying on third-party delivery apps while building a stronger direct relationship with customers.

Highlights:
0:00 – From Pop-Up to 800,000+ Pizzas on DoorDash
1:32 – Making the Iconic Square Pie Guys Pizza
2:18 – Over 1 Million Pizzas Sold
2:48 – The Reality of Growing a Multi-Million-Dollar Business
3:20 – When Growth Means Taking on Too Much
3:49 – Finding a Way Forward After Expanding Too Quickly
4:00 – Why Problems Multiply as You Add More Locations
4:35 – The $500 Maintenance Check That Can Prevent a $20K Bill
5:32 – How Fearlessness Can Drive Business Growth
5:59 – The Cheese Behind Square Pie Guys’ Pizza
6:32 – How Third-Party Apps Influence Pizza Pricing
7:46 – Can Square Pie Guys Ever Get Off Delivery Apps?
8:00 – Building Direct Customer Relationships
8:10 – Why Content Marketing Could Reduce Dependence on Delivery Apps
8:30 – Why Customers Ordering Direct Can Help Restaurants

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What Does It Really Take to Land High-Paying Pizza Catering Clients?
In this episode, Eidref breaks down one of his toughest catering events, what he learned from serving 176 people, and why he’s decided to step away from catering to focus on building a media company.
Highlights:

0:52 – The Catering Event That Didn’t Go as Planned
1:30 – Why a “Bad” Catering Gig Can Still Be a Win
1:38 – What Serving 176 People Taught Him
2:10 – Why the Next 100-Person Event Feels Easier
2:17 – Bringing in Extra Hands for a Smoother Service
2:28 – How Experience Builds Confidence
2:36 – How to Land Higher-Paying Catering Clients
2:58 – From $40 Per Person to $75 Per Person
3:12 – Why Your Pizza Brand Can Help You Charge More
3:24 – Building a Pizza Brand on Instagram
3:43 – Why Your Pizza Has to Look Good AND Deliver
3:54 – Starting Small to Build Confidence & Content
4:14 – Believing in Your Product
4:35 – Knowing When Your Pizza Is Good Enough to Sell
4:48 – Why This Might Be His Last Catering Gig
4:52 – Choosing a Media Company Over Catering
5:27 – The Real Cost of Taking on More Catering Jobs
5:59 – Why You Can’t Give 100% to Two Growing Businesses
6:06 – Saying No to a $100-Person Catering Gig
6:14 – Focus Means Eliminating Options
6:34 – Choosing the Bigger Long-Term Goal
7:12 – What Eidref Wants You to Take From the Journey
8:19 – Was This His Smoothest Catering Event?
8:30 – Learning From a Tough Catering Gig
8:57 – What Serving 176 People Taught Him
9:03 – Why the Next 100-Person Catering Will Be Easier
9:12 – Why He’s Bringing a Fourth Person
9:40 – Feeling Confident Going Into the Next Event
9:58 – How to Land Higher-Paying Catering Clients
10:04 – How Much He Charges for Catering
10:39 – Investing in Your Pizza Brand
10:51 – Why a Strong Instagram Presence Can Help You Charge More
11:21 – Why Experience Builds Confidence
11:32 – Believing in Your Pizza Product
12:03 – Why He’s Quitting Catering
12:16 – Building a Media Company
12:23 – The Real Cost of Taking on More Catering Jobs

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What happens when a 41-year-old pizza shop suddenly goes viral and its tiny kitchen can barely keep up?

In this episode, Eidref sits down with Gerry Buontempo of Frank’s Pizza & Pasta in Baltimore to talk about the family business, upgrading their pizza, handling explosive growth, and keeping the old-school feel that made the shop special.

Highlights:

00:52 – Taking Over a Family Pizzeria During COVID

01:51 – The Bell Curve of a Multi-Generational Business

03:02 – Losing Their Pizza Guy & Stepping Into the Role

03:52 – Learning Baker’s Percentages & Rebuilding the Dough

05:41 – Best Product + Best Known = An Unstoppable Force

06:52 – When Growth Outpaced 40-Year-Old Equipment

07:24 – Finally Getting the Lease & Planning a Massive Kitchen Upgrade

08:02 – How Operators Can Create a New Growth Curve

09:46 – Doing 150 Pizzas an Hour With a Tiny Kitchen

10:46 – The Choreography Behind a High-Volume Pizzeria

11:25 – Four-to-Five-Day Dough Fermentation

12:06 – Keeping the Sauce Simple

13:05 – Why Pizza Expo Changed Everything

14:32 – The Unspoken Brotherhood of Pizza Competitions

16:32 – Pizza Karma & Helping Other Competitors

17:06 – Their Award-Winning Margherita

18:08 – Working With Six-Day-Old Dough

19:13 – Why There’s No Such Thing as the “Best” Dough

20:20 – How Pizza Became a Turning Point in Life

22:49 – Carrying on a Family Legacy Through Pizza

24:56 – What Actually Defines Success?

25:33 – Turning Instagram Followers Into Real Sales

26:34 – Recognizing the Signs That You’re on the Right Path

28:06 – Why You Need to Take Inventory of Your Progress

28:53 – Fresh Mozzarella & Respecting the Craft

29:28 – How Small Improvements Compound Over Time

30:25 – The Instagram Strategy: Be the Best Known

31:20 – The Science Behind a Consistent Crispy Bake

32:21 – Water, Time & Temperature: The Pizza “Dance”

34:40 – Why the Micro Details Matter

36:40 – Where Most Pizza Makers Cut Corners

37:09 – The Operators Who Obsess Over Standards

38:27 – “Inspect What You Expect”

39:12 – “What You Permit Is What You Promote”

40:26 – Why You Have to Be Obsessed With What You Do

41:01 – Finding the Work That Gives You More Than Money

43:15 – What’s Good Dough?

44:13 – Feeding People, Making Connections & Building Community

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What makes a tavern-style pizza stand out—and what does it take to build a pizzeria that can grow beyond the owner?

In this episode, Eidref visits Last Round Tavern in San Jose and sits down with owner Caleb Orozco to talk about the unique pizza style he's bringing to the Bay Area.Their tavern-style pizza is thin, crispy, cut into squares, and loaded with ingredients all the way to the edge—but instead of the traditional cornmeal, Caleb uses a sourdough starter. The result is a pizza that's familiar, but completely its own thing.

Highlights:

0:00 – Discovering San Jose’s Hidden Tavern-Style Pizza

0:32 – What Makes Last Round Tavern’s Pizza Different

1:00 – Sourdough Meets Chicago Tavern-Style Pizza

1:52 – Rolling, Stretching & Building the Dough

2:24 – The Cuban Pizza: Braised Pork, Ham & Salami

3:07 – 15-Hour Wine-Braised Brisket

3:33 – Building a Taco-Inspired Pizza

3:45 – What Would Caleb Tell His 26-Year-Old Self?

4:20 – Learning to Step Away From the Kitchen

4:50 – Why the Owner Can Become the Biggest Bottleneck

5:00 – Revitalizing East Santa Clara Street

5:35 – Why Last Round Didn’t Offer Online Ordering for Five Years

6:00 – Overcoming Fear & Opening Up to New Opportunities

6:34 – “I Should Have Done This a Long Time Ago”

6:41 – Building a Business That Isn’t Just About the Owner

7:00 – Taking the In-Restaurant Experience Online

7:39 – Creating a Better Online Ordering Experience

8:48 – Tasting the Pizza: The “Hella Texture” Moment

9:30 – The Crunch and Texture They’ve Been Chasing

10:10 – Tasting the 15-Hour Braised Brisket

10:41 – Why They Put So Much Time Into Their Ingredients

10:52 – Creating Something Customers Can’t Find Anywhere Else

11:14 – Final Thoughts: Quality, Value & Doing Something Different

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How do you build a successful pizzeria, empower your team, and still have a life outside the restaurant?In this episode, Eidref heads to White Rabbit Gastropub in Frederick, Maryland, home of the World Champion Detroit-style pizza and the team behind Rad Pies.The conversation goes way beyond pizza. From developing the famous Crust We Trust to building systems that allow the owner to step away from the day-to-day, this episode digs into restaurant growth, leadership, dough development, customer experience, and the reality of balancing business with family.The team also breaks down how they built their signature 100% hydration dough, experimented their way to better cheese and baking results, eliminated reservations to increase table utilization, and created a culture where employees are empowered to make mistakes and grow.Highlights:2:38 – Welcome to White Rabbit: World Champion Detroit Pizza3:48 – Why Cheese Pizza Is the Ultimate Test6:08 – The Evolution of the White Rabbit Smash Burger6:53 – The Mentor Who Changed Their Restaurant Strategy8:13 – Building Loyalty Through Happy Hour & Word of Mouth9:28 – Adding $1 Million in Sales Without Massive Volume10:08 – Why They Eliminated Reservations12:08 – Building a Bakery & Commissary Kitchen12:38 – The 100% Hydration Dough Behind Crust We Trust14:08 – Creating the Signature Pepperoni-Filled Crust15:38 – The Science Behind Their Cheese Experiments17:18 – Why 100% Hydration Dough Is So Difficult17:58 – Why They Refuse to Compromise on Their Process19:03 – 25-Year-Old Sourdough Starter & Long Fermentation21:18 – Building the Rad Pies Team21:48 – Empowering Managers to Run the Business23:18 – The Goal of an Owner-Absent Restaurant24:38 – Creating the Crispy Bottom on Detroit Pizza31:08 – The “Cheez-It” Theory Behind the Perfect Crust32:38 – Chasing Consistency Without Going Too Dark44:08 – How Small Markets Can Compete With Big Cities45:28 – What Is the “White Rabbit Attitude”?1:01:18 – Can Systems Give You More Freedom?1:01:58 – Is the Juice Worth the Squeeze?1:02:38 – Eidref’s Question: Is It Time to Open a Pizzeria?1:03:38 – Using a Restaurant as a Professional Proving Ground1:07:38 – Building a Business Without Losing Time With Family1:09:38 – The 60-Day Grind Behind Opening Rad Pies1:11:23 – Learning Every System by Doing It Yourself1:15:08 – Final Advice: Listen, Adapt & Don’t Be Afraid to Change1:16:38 – Why Pizza Brings People Together1:17:38 – The Power of Relationships in the Pizza IndustryFollow them:https://www.instagram.com/radpiesmd/?hl=enThank you to our show sponsors:Bacio Cheese:https://bit.ly/3FmQ3upCorto:https://bit.ly/457DNIIDM @whatsgooddoughhttps://http://www.instagram.com/whatsgooddough/email me: claire@whatsgooddough.comTopic:detroit style pizza, maryland pizza, rad pies md, best pizza in maryland, maryland food, pizza review, detroit style pizza maryland, rad pies, maryland hidden gems, award winning pizza, pizza vlogger, best pizza md

In this episode of What's Good Dough, we head to Rad Pies in Maryland to see if their Detroit-style pizza lives up to the hype. Known for that signature crispy cheese crust and airy dough, we’re putting their pies to the ultimate test.Highlights:00:07 — White Rabbit / Rad Pies intro & the accidental pepperoni frico crust00:40 — The 100% hydration dough01:04 — 25-year-old starter & 19-hour ambient fermentation02:03 — Why pro pizza makers avoid 100% hydration02:20 — Building the Detroit: killing the gum line & cupping-pepperoni walls02:59 — How the pepperoni frico creates the "glass"03:13 — Tasting: Maryland crab pizza03:40 — Tasting: the smash burger (20,000 a year)03:57 — Tasting: chicken cutlet (pesto & vodka sauce)04:16 — Tasting: Cheese pizza (best showcase of the dough)04:41 — Tasting: broccoli-lemon-ricotta white pizza ("Martha Stewart's prison pizza")05:05 — Running the business: why great food needs great operations05:25 — Letting staff fail, buying out the partner & +$1M in sales06:33 — Happy hour philosophy: converting guests to full-price entréesFollow them:https://www.instagram.com/radpiesmd/?hl=enhttps://www.instagram.com/whiterabbitgastropubThank you to our show sponsors:Bacio Cheese:https://bit.ly/3FmQ3upDM @whatsgooddoughhttps://www.instagram.com/whatsgooddough/email me: claire@whatsgooddough.comTopic:detroit style pizza, maryland pizza, rad pies md, best pizza in maryland, maryland food, pizza review, detroit style pizza maryland, rad pies, maryland hidden gems, award winning pizza, pizza vlogger, best pizza md

What makes this the "Ferrari" of pizza ovens?

In this episode, we go inside the Marra Forni factory to see how the "Ferrari" of brick ovens is built. Founder Francesco Marra share powerful story of moving to America with nothing, facing a major restaurant failure, and eventually building a global business that ships to 37 countries. We also dive into the tech that can double or triple a restaurant's revenue.

Highlights:

00:52 – Intro: The Ferrari of Pizza Ovens

01:32 – Inside the Factory: Building Brick by Brick

02:42 – From Failed Pizzeria to Pizza University

04:02 – Static vs. Rotator: Which Oven Doubles Revenue?

05:55 – The Art of the Bake: Maximizing Deck Space

06:54 – History & Consistency: Learning from Pompeii

08:34 – The Business of Marra Forni: 600 Ovens a Year

09:15 – The Rise of High-Performance Electric Ovens

10:14 – Francesco’s 5 P’s for Building a Great Business

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What happens when a pizza shop expects to do $6,000 a day... but ends up doing $16,000?

In this episode, Eidref visits Odie's Pizza in San Diego and sits down with founder Odie O’Connor to discuss one of the fastest-growing pizza concepts in Southern California.

From building a vegan Detroit-style pizza brand in Portland to launching a surf-inspired sourdough pizza shop that generated over $1 million in its first few months, Odie shares the systems, mindset, and lessons behind scaling a high-volume restaurant. This conversation covers dough production, team building, customer service, expansion plans, and the mental challenges that come with explosive growth.

Highlights:00:52 – Crushing Projections: From $6K Days to $16K Days

01:12 – Producing Up to 800 Pizzas Per Day

01:42 – The Dough System Powering High Volume

02:12 – Why Odell Returned to San Diego

02:42 – Building a Surf, Skate & Punk Rock Pizza Brand

03:12 – The Unexpected Explosion in Sales

03:42 – Scaling Without Selling Out

04:12 – Managing a 22-Person Team During Peak Service

04:32 – Redefining What's Possible in a Small Space

04:52 – What Good Dough Means to Odell

05:22 – High Hydration, Long Fermentation & Sourdough

05:52 – Switching From Conveyor Ovens to PizzaMaster Ovens

06:32 – The Hardest Part of Running a High-Volume Restaurant

07:12 – Training Pizza Makers Under Pressure

07:42 – Handling Customer Complaints the Right Way

08:22 – Why Great Customer Service Builds Loyalty

08:52 – Growing From Pop-Up to Food Truck to Brick & Mortar

09:32 – Why Starting Small Matters

09:52 – The Pizza That Defines Odie's

10:22 – Expanding to a Second Location

10:52 – Raising Capital and Scaling the Brand

11:32 – Surpassing First-Year Revenue Goals

12:12 – The Reality of Overnight Success

12:42 – Managing Stress as an Entrepreneur

13:22 – Therapy, Mindset, and Staying Present

14:02 – What If Everything Goes Right?

14:32 – Gratitude, Success, and Building Something You Love

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What are the best upgrades you can make to run smoother, faster, and more profitable pizza catering events?

In this episode, Eidref breaks down the seven biggest upgrades he's making to his pizza catering setup for 2026.

After five years of catering as a side hustle, a sudden influx of new bookings pushed him to rethink every part of his operation. From cooler systems and organization hacks to rotating pizza stones and workflow improvements, this episode is all about working smarter, delivering a better customer experience, and building a catering business that scales.

Whether you're a pizza caterer, food entrepreneur, or mobile pizza operator, you'll find practical ideas you can implement immediately.

Highlights:00:52 – Why 2026 Is a Big Year for Pizza Catering01:32 – The Question That Improves Every Event01:52 – Upgrade #1: Bigger Coolers, Fewer Trips02:52 – Keeping Food Safe During Delays03:42 – Titan Ice Packs vs Traditional Ice04:12 – Upgrade #2: Every Bin Has a Job05:22 – Why Clear Bins Aren't the Real Solution05:52 – Building a System Instead of Buying More Gear06:52 – Creating Bin Checklists and Team Reference Cards08:07 – Solving the "Where Is Everything?" Problem08:52 – Upgrade #3: Contractor Bags for Faster Cleanup09:52 – Protecting Equipment and Saving Your Back10:52 – Using Business Credit Cards to Fund Upgrades11:22 – Upgrade #4: Rotating Pizza Stones12:32 – How Rotating Stones Improve Consistency14:02 – Better Heat Distribution and Faster Production15:12 – Why Better Execution Creates More Referrals16:12 – Reinvesting Catering Profits Into the Business16:22 – Upgrade #5: Using an Ooni Volt as a Pizza Warmer17:52 – Serving More Guests Without Sacrificing Quality18:52 – Battery Power Solutions for Mobile Catering19:42 – Upgrade #6: Bed Risers for Higher Workstations20:32 – Saving Your Back During Long Events20:57 – Upgrade #7: Sliding Pizza Peels21:42 – The Cheapest Upgrade That Saves the Most Time22:02 – Lessons Learned and Final Thoughts

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What does it really take to build a million-dollar pizza shop with no investors, no dining room, and only 900 square feet?

In this episode, Eidref sits down with Fred Santos of Square Pizza Co., a pizzeria quietly doing massive numbers out of a tiny shop in Pacific Beach.

Fred and his partner Bruno bootstrapped everything themselves, worked brutal hours for years, and built a cult following around square pizzas most people had never even heard of. This conversation dives into sacrifice, systems, dough philosophy, and the long grind behind building a real pizza business from scratch.

Highlights:

01:11 – A 900ft² Pizza Shop Doing $1 Million a Year

01:32 – Living Inside the Shop to Make It Work

01:50 – Massive Volume Without a Dining Room

02:00 – Why Staying Open Until 2AM Matters

02:12 – Winning First Place at Pizza Expo

02:22 – Going Viral Across San Diego

02:35 – Selling Hundreds of Pizzas After the Win

02:51 – Fred’s East Coast Pizza Roots

03:42 – Learning From Busy Sicilian Family Shops

04:07 – Bringing Square Pizza to San Diego

04:12 – Working 105+ Hours Every Week

04:48 – Bootstrapping the Entire Business

05:35 – Why Most Restaurants Fail Early

05:50 – Building a Business Like Planting a Tree

05:54 – The Dough System Behind Their Pizza

06:20 – Beach Pizza: A Style Most People Don’t Know

06:29 – The Unusual Techniques Behind Beach Pizza

06:43 – Why They Use Paper Plates for Dough

07:42 – Running One of the Tightest Small-Shop Operations

08:14 – Expanding After Nearly a Decade of Grinding

08:32 – What Fred Is Truly Grateful For

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How can a three-time world pizza champion still struggle to fill his own shop?

In this episode, Eidref sits down with Ryan Ososky, a three-time world pizza champion and Pizza Maker of the Year, to unpack one of the most interesting contradictions in pizza.

Ryan has the trophies, the technique, and one of the most dialed-in Detroit-style pies in West Hollywood—but the crowds haven’t always matched the accolades. From building award-winning pizza to navigating the brutal economics of running a restaurant in Los Angeles, this conversation gets into what success in the pizza business really looks like.

Highlights:

00:52 – Winning Awards vs Winning in Business

01:02 – Meet Ryan: 3-Time World Champion

01:22 – Why Trophies Don’t Guarantee Customers

01:52 – Building a Detroit-Style Pizza

02:22 – The Reality: Not Busy Enough

02:52 – What It Feels Like to Win but Struggle

03:22 – What Actually Defines a “Real Win”

03:52 – Competition vs Real-World Success

04:22 – Why LA Is a Tough Market

04:52 – High Costs, Labor, and Small Business Pressure

05:22 – Why Restaurants Struggle to Survive

05:52 – Still Showing Up and Staying in the Fight

06:22 – What Makes Detroit-Style Pizza Different

06:52 – Tasting the Product: Does It Deliver?

07:22 – Dough Process & Fermentation Breakdown

07:52 – Chef-Driven Pizza Concept Explained

08:22 – Why Great Pizza Still Might Not Be Enough

08:52 – The Big Question: What’s Missing?

09:22 – Staying in the Game Despite the Odds

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How far would you go to become a world pizza champion?

In this episode, Eidref sits down with Wilhelm Rodriguez, a world pizza champion who spent years chasing one of the toughest titles in the industry.

From competing in pizza acrobatics to grinding through multiple losses in Las Vegas, Wilhelm shares what it really takes to win on the biggest stage. This is a story about obsession, resilience, and why even after reaching the top, the ultimate goal still isn’t finished.

Highlights:

0:53 – The Dream of Becoming a World Pizza Champion

1:13 – Meet Wilhelm Rodriguez

1:43 – From Acrobatics to Pizza Competitions

2:13 – Why Acrobatics Builds Better Pizza Makers

2:43 – Entering the World of Pizza Competitions

3:13 – Why Las Vegas Is the Toughest Stage

3:43 – The Pressure of Competing Twice to Win

4:13 – Years of Losses and Almost Quitting

4:43 – Breaking Through in the International Division

5:13 – Obsessing Over Every Detail to Win

5:43 – Winning Both Rounds in Vegas

6:13 – Representing Puerto Rico on the World Stage

6:43 – Going Viral and National Recognition

7:13 – Hard Work Behind the Success

7:43 – Life After Becoming World Champion

8:03 – The Dream of Becoming a World Pizza Champion (Team)

8:33 – The Meaning of Legacy and Purpose

8:53 – The Emotional Reality of Achieving Your Dream

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How does a Bay Area pizzeria quietly become a $2 million business?

In this episode, Idris sits down with Leah, owner of Pizza Leah, to break down how a small-town pizzeria quietly hit $2 million in annual sales.

From opening 20 locations to walking away for her health, Leah shares how she rebuilt her life—and built a highly efficient pizza operation rooted in systems, consistency, and intentional decisions.

Highlights:

0:52 – From Dine-In Vision to Takeout Reality

1:22 – Meet Leah: From 20 Stores to One Shop

1:52 – How COVID Reshaped the Business

2:22 – Small Shop, Big Numbers

2:52 – The Oven Bottleneck Problem

3:22 – Why Systems & Communication Matter

3:52 – Opening 20 Restaurants & Burning Out

4:32 – Leaving for Health & Starting Over

5:12 – Dough Philosophy: Long, Slow, Cold Fermentation

5:52 – Balancing Flavor: Salt, Fermentation & Ingredients

6:32 – Hybrid Pan Pizza & Production Efficiency

7:12 – Hitting $2 Million in Sales

7:42 – The Stress of Running a Restaurant

8:12 – Customer Loyalty & Small Town Advantage

8:32 – Intentionality Over Everything

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What does it really take to serve 58 pizzas in just 45 minutes… at a wedding where everything has to be perfect?

In this episode, we go behind the scenes with Linda and Abby of Fired Up Fresh, a mother-daughter duo specializing in high-pressure mobile pizza catering. From months of preparation to last-minute improvisation, they show how chaotic wedding events are transformed into a seamless, high-performance operation.

We break down their entire process—from prepping dough days in advance, managing dietary restrictions on the fly, and optimizing workflow with parbaked pizzas, to executing a flawless dinner service under extreme time pressure. This episode reveals the real “secret sauce” behind catering success: preparation, systems, and the ability to adapt when things don’t go as planned.

Highlights:

01:00 – Serving 58 pizzas in 45 minutes: the challenge

01:10 – Why wedding catering is more complex than it looks

01:21 – Introducing Fired Up Fresh and their mobile catering model

01:30 – The 2-month preparation process behind each event

01:43 – Setting up on-site: trailer, tent, and buffet logistics

01:55 – Starting the oven hours before service

02:14 – Managing pizza temperature and quality

02:24 – Calming clients and building trust on wedding day

02:49 – The mental pressure of catering events

03:05 – Handling dietary restrictions and last-minute changes

03:27 – Improvising ingredients on the fly

03:44 – The importance of preparation and sleep

04:06 – Confidence built through experience

04:22 – Simplifying the menu for efficiency

04:34 – Preparing appetizers and charcuterie cups

04:50 – Coordinating service across multiple locations

05:02 – Experiencing the wedding while waiting for service

05:32 – Preparing pasta and additional menu items

06:02 – Finalizing the pizza menu for the event

06:18 – Why parbaking dough saves time during service

06:49 – Streamlining the pizza assembly process

07:10 – “The 7 Ps”: proper planning prevents poor performance

07:31 – The real secret sauce: systems and organization

07:48 – Managing pizza flow and buffet consistency

08:04 – Transitioning from prep to full service

08:20 – Trusting your team during high-pressure moments

08:34 – Finding rhythm during peak service

08:53 – Managing extreme oven temperatures

09:01 – Producing pizzas at high speed during service

09:16 – Optimizing layout for faster workflow

09:32 – Why parbaking is a game-changer

09:46 – Creating custom meals for dietary needs

10:03 – Serving gluten-free and dairy-free guests

10:19 – Matching the wedding aesthetic and theme

10:44 – Designing a seamless guest experience

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What if the smartest way to start a pizza business isn’t opening a restaurant… but avoiding rent entirely?

In this episode of the What's Good Dough Podcast, we spend the day with Jeremy and Michelle, the team behind Gabacool Pizza, an award-winning pizza pop-up that built a powerful brand without the massive overhead of a traditional restaurant.

From prepping in a commissary kitchen to selling out at brewery pop-ups, they’ve built a business that prioritizes flexibility, creativity, and community.

Throughout the episode, they break down their entire workflow—from prep and transport logistics to branding, menu design, and the realities of running a food business without a permanent location.

If you've ever thought about starting a pizza business but were intimidated by restaurant rent, this episode offers a real blueprint.

Highlights:

02:57 – Arriving at the Petaluma commissary kitchen

03:12 – Why pop-ups still need a legal kitchen space

04:25 – Storage rules and health regulations for food businesses

04:57 – Managing trips between the kitchen and the event location

05:39 – Preparing ingredients for hundreds of pizzas in a shared fridge

06:39 – Organizing dough trays and prep workflow

09:41 – Why their commissary kitchen supports the local community

10:43 – Supporting artists and designing the Gabacool brand

11:19 – How they originally transported their entire pizza operation in small cars

12:00 – Designing a van setup for maximum efficiency

16:00 – Packing equipment and organizing mobile pizza operations

20:00 – Why brewery pop-ups work as a business model

23:57 – Building real relationships with brewery partners

25:10 – Selling out early and the challenges of high demand

30:00 – The realities of running a pizza pop-up every weekend

37:24 – The physical demands of catering and pop-up events

38:53 – Creating a clean and memorable pop-up brand experience

46:05 – Lighting, propane, and the technical side of running a mobile kitchen

50:00 – Dialing in oven temperatures for outdoor pizza service

01:00:00 – The moment a pop-up setup starts feeling like a real restaurant

01:05:49 – Creating weekly specials using local farm ingredients

01:06:20 – Non-food tasks required to run a food business

01:06:30 – Branding, merch design, and social media strategy

01:08:55 – Running a business without a traditional office

01:10:48 – Designing marketing materials from a phone or tablet

01:11:04 – Michelle’s background in events, design, and hospitality

01:15:30 – Learning to run multiple pizza ovens during service

01:16:40 – The trial-and-error process of improving systems and workflow

01:16:47 – Winning a scholarship to Pizza University

01:19:00 – Overcoming imposter syndrome in the pizza industry

01:31:25 – Dough ball size, fermentation, and pizza technique

01:34:00 – Jeremy’s culinary school experience and career path

01:35:42 – Breaking down how their pizza bakes in the oven

01:50:24 – Reflecting on making over 20,000 pizzas and building a community

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What if the smartest way to start a pizza business isn’t opening a restaurant… but avoiding rent altogether?

In this episode, we spend the day with Jeremy and Michelle of Gabacool, an award-winning pizza pop-up that built a powerful brand without the massive overhead of a traditional pizzeria. From prepping in a $235/month commissary kitchen to selling out every weekend at brewery pop-ups, they’ve created a system that prioritizes flexibility, strong branding, and high-quality ingredients.

We break down how their pop-up model works, why they refuse to pay venues to operate, the importance of creating a memorable brand presence, and how thoughtful dough fermentation and ingredient sourcing elevate their pizza. It’s a blueprint for anyone who wants to start a food business without the risk of a full restaurant lease.

Highlights:

00:00 – Women’s Pizza Month scholarship announcement

00:22 – Why most famous pizzerias are run by men

00:35 – The surprising cost Gabacool completely avoids

00:51 – Introducing Jeremy & Michelle of Gabacool

01:09 – Inside their $235/month commissary kitchen

01:30 – Storing ingredients and prepping for 300–400 pizzas a weekend

01:53 – Why traditional restaurant rent can reach $5k–$10k

02:04 – Packing up for the pop-up service

02:28 – Running a “sell-out model” for pizza nights

02:43 – Arriving at Moonlight Brewing in Santa Rosa

02:53 – The brewery partnership model

03:04 – Why they refuse to pay venues to operate

03:21 – Running a pizza business with almost zero fixed overhead

03:47 – Setting up the pop-up restaurant tent

04:03 – The $6,000 custom tent and branding strategy

04:41 – Why strong visual branding matters for pop-ups

04:53 – How branding helped people remember Gabacool

05:05 – Setting up the kitchen and becoming a restaurant in minutes

05:27 – The origin story of the Gabacool name

05:52 – Running the business beyond cooking: design, website, merch

06:06 – Building the business without a traditional office

06:13 – Winning a Pizza University scholarship

06:41 – How their pop-up kitchen workflow operates

07:05 – Their dough formula: flour blend, hydration, and fermentation

07:50 – Culinary training and lessons from the CIA

08:14 – Evaluating the final pizza bake

08:26 – The constant tweaking required for pop-ups

09:07 – Sponsor segment: managing cheese costs in pizzerias

09:11 – The “Snail of Approval” and what it represents

09:42 – Growing from 10 pizzas a night to 65+

10:03 – Why community is the real reward of running a pizzeria

10:38 – Final takeaway: building a premium brand without a storefront

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What happens when an engineer quits his job, goes all-in on pizza, and builds a slice shop obsessed with consistency?

In this episode of What’s Good Dough, Eidref is with Charlie Anderson, founder of Good Pizza Cleveland, to talk about the real work behind opening a modern slice shop. From menu minimalism and workflow design to dough fermentation, content creation, and long-term vision, this is a deep dive into what it actually takes to make great pizza— consistently.

Highlights:

2:05 – Building a New York-style slice shop in Cleveland
4:15 – Modern pizzeria branding & restaurant interior design strategy
6:00 – Why a 6-item pizza menu improves consistency and profitability
8:30 – Weighing pizza toppings for cost control & operational consistency
10:50 – Commercial pizza oven management: stone temp, bake time & workflow
13:40 – The realities of running a high-volume slice shop
15:30 – Quitting engineering to open a pizzeria full-time
18:10 – From pizza pop-ups to brick-and-mortar restaurant ownership
21:00 – Imposter syndrome as a pizza entrepreneur & content creator
24:10 – Reverse-engineering New York pizza & building a pizza YouTube channel
27:00 – Using Instagram & organic social media to grow a local restaurant
30:00 – Poolish vs straight dough: 73% hydration pizza dough formula
33:20 – Controlling dough temperature for consistent fermentation
36:10 – Two-stage dough balling technique for stronger pizza crust
40:00 – Why long fermentation doesn’t always mean better pizza
43:00 – How to identify over-proofed pizza dough in a restaurant setting
46:20 – Slice shop bottlenecks: staffing, speed & labor efficiency
50:00 – Increasing restaurant revenue through operational efficiency

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