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Lament is a spiritual practice, and grief is a holy work. But how does this relate to the topic of loneliness? Because some of us love giving God our ideas but not our tears.

You may not receive the comfort and peace you want because you’re not giving God your full self. When you’re missing that comfort, you feel lonely. And the best way to deal with loneliness is to have deep intimacy with the Father. We have to learn to grieve with God, but for many of us, our pride becomes a hindrance to that intimacy.

This is part two of a conversation between Preston and Jackie about loneliness. Catch up on part one if you missed it last week: “When You’re Lonely by Design and by Choice” https://youtu.be/wMXNsy9YDnI

Scripture references

Hebrews 5:7-8

Romans 15:1-4

Psalm 139:1-16

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Even when we're surrounded by people, we can still feel deeply alone. Loneliness will have you wondering, “Will anyone ever fully see me, know me, and love me in light of what they see?”

In this conversation, Jackie and Preston discuss the ways loneliness can leave us vulnerable, when it might be wise to choose being alone with God instead of running to other people, and how the enemy uses isolation to discourage us. They also explore why it’s important that we develop the trust, security and awareness of God’s presence so we’re not discouraged when people leave.

This is part one of a two-part conversation, so come back next week for even more discussion of loneliness.

Scripture references

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John 16:32

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1 Kings 17:1-5

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What do you do with the pain that remains after you’ve forgiven someone?

If we look to the Bible for guidance, we see that one-third of the Psalms are “imprecatory prayers,” or prayers for justice or vengeance. It’s in those prayers that we can find some helpful language for handing over that grief and anger to God, trusting Him with the outcome.

Nona Jones joins Jackie and Preston to talk about her new book, “The Power of Petty Prayers.” They discuss why we can’t always wait for resentment to disappear before choosing to love, and how bitterness can become a debt we unknowingly hold against others.

Check out Nona’s new book, “The Power of Petty Prayers: How to Heal Your Hurt When You're Wounded, Weary, and Just Plain Mad” – https://www.amazon.com/Power-Petty-Prayers-Youre-Wounded/dp/0310368308/

Connect with Nona

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http://www.instagram.com/nonanotnora

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http://www.nonajones.com/

Scripture references

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Psalm 35

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Matthew 11:28

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What does the Bible teach us about aging, and how might our perspective change if we viewed getting older through a theological lens rather than a cultural one?

Preston and Jackie sit down with Jen Wilkin to discuss what Scripture says on the topic, explored further in Jen’s new book “Dust to Dust, Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World.”

Jen, Jackie and Preston talk about why our culture often approaches aging with fear and contempt, how the fall has shaped our experience of our bodies, and what it looks like to embrace aging as part of the story God is telling. They also discuss caring for aging parents, embracing our own future dependence, honoring the wisdom of older generations, and the church’s responsibility to care for people throughout their entire lives.

Check out Jen’s new book, “Dust to Dust: Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World” – https://www.amazon.com/Dust-Aging-Wisely-Anti-Aging-World/dp/B0GL4W27PX/

Connect with Jen and check out her Bible studies

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http://www.instagram.com/jenwilkin

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http://www.jenwilkin.net/books-and-studies

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http://www.trainingthechurch.com/knowingfaith

“At My Mother’s Deathbed, I Discovered the Symmetry of a Long Life” (Jen Wilkin, Christianity Today)

Scripture references:

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Genesis 1, 2 and 3

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Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry.

Toni Collier joins the Perrys to talk about what bitterness looks like and what it means to reckon with our suffering instead of running from it. Toni and Preston discuss their individual experiences with ADHD and how their brains uniquely process trauma and pain. Toni unpacks her experience with EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy and how it creates the space to process through hard things. Toni, Jackie and Preston together point to the fact that healing is a communal project – healing requires bringing our suffering to the Lord and to safe people in our lives.

Connect with Toni

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http://instagram.com/tonijcollier

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https://www.youtube.com/@tonijcollier

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https://www.tonijcollier.com/

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https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0B1QZ47L2

Check out two seasons of Unshakeable Moxie, a FREE video series from Our Daily Bread, co-hosted by Toni Collier:

https://www.odbm.org/en/media/unshakable-moxie

Scripture references:

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Judges 4

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Ruth 1:20

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Y’all love a “storytime” episode and it’s been a while since the Perrys recorded one.

The Perrys cover a wide range of topics, from legalism and the idea of “sinless perfection” to stories about identity, “hood” dynamics, and pretending to be someone you’re not.

Jackie and Preston discuss the theology of justification and sanctification as they remember meeting someone during a stop on a poetry tour who claimed he had not sinned in 10 years.

Then you’ll hear some high-school Jackie stories – like the time she was a fake gang member on her old Black Planet page – plus Preston’s recollection of the time he got robbed in Nigeria for multiple hours.

It’s a funny one – enjoy.

Scripture references:

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Romans 7:13-20, 23-24

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Romans 7:5

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1 Corinthians 1:2

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We hear a lot about people experiencing “father wounds” but what about those who carry heartache, anger or sorrow because of a wounding mother?

When Dr. Sarita Lyons joined Jackie for the Glory Conference in 2023, an attendee asked about navigating difficult relationships with mothers. Feeling burdened by the Holy Spirit after that interaction and many conversations that followed it, Dr. Sarita has written a book to help people grieve honestly and heal deeply.

Jackie, Preston and Dr. Sarita Lyons discuss what it means to honor your mother while still acknowledging the ways you’ve been hurt. They explore the difference between godly sorrow and condemnation, what it looks like to hold truth and grace together, and how the Gospel offers hope for wholeness.

Check out “Honor Thy Mother: How to Grieve, Heal, and Make Peace with Your Mother Wounds” – http://www.saritalyons.com/honor-thy-mother-book

Connect with Dr. Sarita Lyons

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Honor Thy Mother Conference in October – https://www.saritalyons.com/honorthymotherconference

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People say, “We’re more divided than ever before,” but are we okay with that, or are we going to do something about it? Are we normalizing division and disrespecting God by not prioritizing something He does?

Jackie and Preston are joined by Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez for a conversation on fighting for unity in the church. Unity does not mean erasing differences to have complete uniformity – that can lead to tribalism, idolatry, and ultimately dehumanization. The church has to be willing to lean into discomfort for the sake of unity in the Body of Christ, and that’s going to require us to actively pursue proximity, curiosity, humility, and honest conversations.

Check out “False Peace: How to Reject the Lie of Sameness, Embrace Difference, and Embody True Unity” – https://www.amazon.com/False-Peace-Sameness-Embrace-Difference/dp/1587436701

Connect with Pricelis

http://www.instagram.com/pricelispd

http://www.sowerssummit.com/

http://www.pricelispd.com/

Scripture references:

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Ephesians 4:1-3

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Acts 1-12 (stories of the early church)

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We have to think about what we’re thinking about. Go back and read that again.

Our thought life as Christ followers matters. It’s important we remain vigilant to identify and uproot the lies we’re believing, and to do that continually in community with the power of the Holy Spirit.

This is part two of a conversation on the battlefield of the mind. If you missed The Work of Mind Renewal, go back and watch on YouTube or listen on your platform of choice: https://youtu.be/n2nHa8_mSzQ

Scripture references:

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Romans 8:5-9, 11

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Ephesians 1:17-20

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Jackie and Preston are back with new episodes, and they’re kicking things off with a two-part conversation on the battlefield of the mind.

Our minds have a lot to say, all the time. What we think about – and ultimately what we believe because of those thoughts – will dictate the way we behave, communicate, and relate to one another.

What does it look like to “train” your mind and take every thought captive? How does trauma impact your thoughts and emotions? And what practical things can you do to guard your mind against the enemy?

Be sure to come back next week for part two!

Scripture references:

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2 Corinthians 10:3-6

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1 Corinthians 13:4-7

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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.

What do you do when faith feels hard, when you’re wrestling with doubt, unanswered prayers, or disappointment with God? Jackie, Preston, and a number of their podcast guests have words of encouragement to speak over you.

If you feel weary or like you’re struggling to believe God is good, we hope these clips from past episodes will provide reassurance to keep going.

Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:

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When Christianity Gets Hard (August 2025) – https://youtu.be/kUdSyOhX-Nc

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How to Wrestle with God with Lisa Fields (August 2024) – https://youtu.be/KwTKOItm3Wo

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Infertility and Finding God After Unanswered Prayer with Jennifer Lucy Tyler (October 2025) https://youtu.be/25pFA_CIrvE

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A Conversation About Anxiety with Blair Linne – https://youtu.be/Axt75sjBXA4

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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.

In this Deep Dive, Jackie and Preston revisit conversations they’ve had together (and with some guests, too) about parenting. This episode discusses building simple rhythms of Scripture and prayer in the home, how to help kids develop a faith of their own, and navigating hard conversations without shame.

Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:

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Family and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The Ortlunds (November 2024) – https://youtu.be/UO8QC-JLj90

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Boy Mom Stuff, Preaching, and Other Gems with Priscilla Shirer (September 2024) – https://youtu.be/EVwZfvh3OfI

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Unforgiveness, Raising Kids in the Last Days, and Proud Preachers: A Q&A Episode (July 2025) – https://youtu.be/g6Ik2mrs6bU

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Discipling Kids in a Sexually Broken World With Laurie and Matt Krieg (October 2025) – https://youtu.be/Q6cFmUZ0zho

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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.

In this Deep Dive, Jackie and Preston discuss understanding what the gospel actually is, sharing your faith with wisdom and love, talking to family members who don’t believe, and walking alongside others as they grow in their faith.

Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:

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How to Give the Gospel: Part 1 (September 2023) – https://youtu.be/0HvbjB-x_o0

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How to Give the Gospel: Part 2 (October 2023) –https://youtu.be/SbP_Tvw2U8U

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How To Tell The Truth (April 2024) – https://youtu.be/qT6NtfpRGck

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How to Make Disciples That Make Disciples (May 2024) – https://youtu.be/PhbesSgcjKY

More resources:

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Apologetics with Preston Perry (YouTube channel) – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5tYCIeywXPsNEhxU3yfZvw

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Preston’s book, “How to Tell the Truth: The Story of How God Saved Me to Win Hearts--Not Just Arguments” – https://www.amazon.com/How-Tell-Truth-Hearts-Not-Arguments-ebook/dp/B0CL7NSWJS

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Jackie’s Bible Study, “Jude: Contending For the Faith in Today’s Culture” – https://www.lifeway.com/en/product-family/jude-bible-study

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Brian Dye on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/visionnehemiah

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Brian Dye’s ministry, Hood Heroes – https://www.legacydisciple.org/hoodheroes

Scripture references:

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2 Timothy 2:23-26

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1 Peter 3:15

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Matthew 28:19

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With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.

Jackie and Preston's relationship has had plenty of twists and turns. From long distance dating to a group trip to the Caribbean, things didn't get off to a smooth start. Jackie broke things off...twice. Preston admits he had a lot to learn about leading well, and together they look back on what they'd do differently.

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With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.

Jackie and Preston sit down with mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien to talk about what it really looks like to fight for intimacy in marriage. They unpack some of the habits and rhythms that quietly create distance, the importance of healthy communication, and why it's so easy to start building a case against your spouse instead of pursuing connection.

Whether you're newly married or decades in, this conversation offers practical wisdom for navigating conflict, staying connected, and growing in oneness together.

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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses suicidal ideation.

With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.

Brenna Blain is a wife, mom, and theologian who talks honestly about faith, suffering, and mental health. Brenna shares her story of running from God, eventually finding herself in YWAM, and later navigating a bipolar diagnosis, psych ward stays, and some of the darkest days of her life. Brenna, Jackie, and Preston talk about depression, suffering, and what it looks like to love people well when there aren't easy answers.

Connect with Brenna:

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https://brenna-blain.vercel.app/

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Nobody “deconstructs” from Christianity in a day. Deconstruction is not an immediate decision but a process in which someone questions, dissects and assesses what they believe. But what some people are calling deconstruction is actually heresy and false teaching. There’s a thoughtful and Biblical way to evaluate your faith, so let’s talk about it.

Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr. joins the Perrys to discuss the seven reasons people deconstruct, the importance of critical thinking and apologetics, and the compassion required for walking with someone who is deconstructing.

Connect with Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr.

https://www.instagram.com/jeromegay

https://jeromegayjr.com/

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Romans 3:15

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Romans 1:22

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1 John 4:7-8

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John 14:15

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1 Corinthians 6:18

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Matthew 16:24

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Ephesians 6

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Exodus 21:16

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From public scandals to private betrayals that never make the news, experiencing the failure of a leader is both heartbreaking and disorienting. When someone leads a church community or is esteemed as a hero, the fallout of their failure is felt even more.

Lisa Fields joins Jackie and Preston for an honest conversation about leadership betrayal. They discuss what healthy admiration looks like, how to navigate the grief of failed leadership without becoming cynical, and why restoration doesn't always mean a return to the platform.

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John 21

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1 John 3

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Galatians 6:1

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Earlier this month, Jackie found herself at the center of a Threads post that generated a whole lot of conversation. It got her and Preston thinking about the opposition we face as Christians because of a worldview that is confusing to unbelievers.

NOTE: For most of us, the persecution we face is social in nature – that’s different from persecution others face around the world when they risk their lives professing Christ.

As Christians, we’re not supposed to defend ourselves. We’re supposed to preach the gospel and leverage opposition as an opportunity to point others to Jesus. Jackie and Preston discuss a helpful framework for approaching unbelievers, why it’s important to lead with compassion, and the reason why both prayer and patience are required for those conversations.

Scripture References:

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2 Corinthians 4:4-6

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1 Peter 3:15-16

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Nehemiah 4:17–18

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A stronghold is an untruth that has lodged itself in our brains and keeps out the knowledge of God. Shame can be a stronghold if we are believing something that is literally not the truth – about God, ourselves, or others. So really, shame and the gospel can’t co-exist peacefully. You could even say that shame is anti-gospel.

Jackie and Preston discuss how the gospel – the good news that we are forgiven – exposes lies and replaces them with the truth we find in God’s word. We’ve got to meditate on the gospel, read the Bible more than we think about ourselves, and be aware of the way we are helping to remove (or unconsciously adding to) shame in other people’s lives.

Scripture References:

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Genesis 3:7

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Hebrews 12:2

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