You Can Be Both

What happens when a successful Christian music artist begins questioning the beliefs she's expected to represent, discovers she's gay, and realizes she can no longer participate in an industry that doesn't reflect who she is? In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren Lanzaretta sits down with singer-songwriter Jennifer Knapp to discuss coming out as gay, her experience in contemporary Christian music, religious deconstruction, LGBTQ+ identity, and what it means to reclaim your faith and find your voice.Jennifer shares her journey from growing up in Kansas and entering the Christian music industry to becoming one of the first prominent Christian recording artists to publicly come out as gay. She opens up about the pressure to conform to evangelical expectations, the impact of purity culture, and why she ultimately walked away from Christian music. She also explores the complicated relationship between faith and sexuality, challenging traditional interpretations of Christianity, and why our personal experiences should matter when shaping our spiritual beliefs.In this episode:🌈 Jennifer's journey into contemporary Christian music and becoming a recording artist🎤 What it was like being a successful artist in the Christian music industry❤️ Discovering her sexuality and coming out as gay💔 Why Jennifer walked away from Christian music in 2002⛪ The pressure of evangelical Christianity and traditional gender roles🔥 The True Love Waits movement & purity culture📖 Deconstructing Christianity and questioning traditional theology🧠 Why your personal experiences matter in your spiritual journey🏳️‍🌈 The reality of LGBTQ+ Christians finding affirming faith communities💬 Why being gay and Christian shouldn't be a contradiction🙏 Does Jennifer Knapp still consider herself a Christian?🎶 Finding her voice again and returning to music✨ Why everyone has a theology, even if they don't believe in GodJennifer's story is a powerful reminder that faith doesn't have to mean conformity, and that questioning what you've been taught doesn't mean abandoning everything you believe. You can challenge religious teachings, embrace your identity, and create a spiritual life that reflects your own experiences, values, and understanding of the world.You don't have to let someone else define your relationship with God, your sexuality, or your place in the Christian community. And LGBTQ+ people aren't outsiders to the faith. We've always been here, contributing, loving, leading, and shaping the communities we're part of.You can be LGBTQ+. You can have faith. You can question everything. And you can be both. 🌈❤️ABOUT JENNIFER: https://jenniferknapp.com/ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTH:You Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and faith.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY: youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5✨ LEARN MORE: youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear it. ❤️#YouCanBeBoth #JenniferKnapp #GayChristian #LGBTQChristian #ChristianMusic #ComingOut #ReligiousDeconstruction #ChristianDeconstruction #LGBTQFaith #FaithAndSexuality #QueerChristian #LGBTQ #ChristianPodcast #LGBTQPodcast #ReligiousTrauma #PurityCulture #AffirmingChristian #GayChristians #QueerFaith #Christianity

What happens when a queer therapist who grew up in a nontraditional family enters the Christian church, questions everything she was taught about sexuality, and discovers the lasting impact of religious trauma? In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren Lanzaretta sits down with Ann Russo, licensed clinical social worker, theologian, and creator of the Religious Trauma Treatment Model, to discuss LGBTQ+ identity, Christian deconstruction, purity culture, and healing from religious trauma. Ann shares her journey from attending evangelical churches and studying theology to becoming a therapist who helps people navigate the complicated relationship between faith, sexuality, and mental health. She also explains how high-control religion can impact self-worth, relationships, and sexual expression—and why healing doesn't have to mean abandoning your faith.In this episode:🌈 Growing up in a queer, nontraditional family in the 80s & 90s✝️ Can you be LGBTQ+ and Christian?💔 How religious trauma and rejection affect mental health📖 What does the Bible actually say about homosexuality?🧠 Signs you may have experienced religious trauma⛪ High-control religion, church culture, and deconstruction❤️ How to heal while maintaining your faith🔥 Purity culture, sexual shame, and sexual empowerment💬 How to begin healing from harmful religious teachings🫶 Coming out to your family with confidence and self-acceptance✨ The Religious Trauma Treatment Model and finding your own pathAnn's story and clinical work offer a powerful reminder that you don't have to choose between your identity and your faith. You can question the teachings that hurt you, explore what you genuinely believe, and learn to trust yourself again. Healing is a process, and you deserve the freedom to define your values, your sexuality, and your spiritual journey without shame or fear. 🌈❤️You can be LGBTQ+. You can be Christian. And you can be both.MORE ABOUT ANN:https://www.amrtherapy.com/ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and faith.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY:

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What happens when a gay man raised in an evangelical missionary family leaves Christianity, then starts asking questions about God again? In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren Lanzaretta sits down with comedian, actor, and writer Matt LeGrande to discuss being gay and Christian, deconstruction, family, and finding a personal understanding of faith.Matt shares why he stepped away from the church and how he is exploring spirituality, rereading the Bible, and questioning beliefs he once accepted. He also opens up about the pain of knowing his mother believes he is going to hell because he is gay—and how he continues to approach their relationship with love, honesty, and a willingness to seek truth.In this episode:🌈 Growing up gay in an evangelical missionary family✝️ Can you be gay and Christian?💔 When a parent believes you’re going to hell📖 Rereading the Bible and asking questions🧠 Christian deconstruction and questioning what you were taught🙏 Leaving the church and finding your way back to God❤️ Loving family members when you disagree about faith💬 Why seeking truth matters more than being right😂 Comedy, religion, and spirituality✨ Exploring faith with an open mindMatt’s story is a reminder that faith journeys aren’t always linear. You can question what you were taught, step away from religion, and remain curious about God. You can love your family while being honest about who you are, and you don’t have to abandon your identity to explore faith. 🌈❤️You can be LGBTQ+. You can be Christian. And you can be both.ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and faith.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY: youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5✨ LEARN MORE: youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear it. ❤️#YouCanBeBoth, #MattLeGrande, #GayChristian, #LGBTQChristian, #LGBTQ, #QueerChristian, #ChristianDeconstruction, #ReligiousTrauma, #AffirmingChristian, #LGBTQFaith, #ChristianPodcast, #LGBTQPodcast, #QueerTheology, #GayChristians, #LGBTQCommunity, #Christianity, #FaithAndSexuality

What happens when one of the most well-known gay Christian voices becomes the target of criticism from within the LGBTQ+ community? In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Matthew Vines to address the controversy surrounding his New York Times article, “I’m Gay, Not Queer. It Matters.” Matthew responds directly to the criticism that he is too conservative, too focused on acceptance, or trying to conform LGBTQ+ people to traditional Christian values. He explains what he actually meant, why he believes LGBTQ people should be free to think for themselves, and why being gay shouldn't come with a predetermined political, sexual, or ideological worldview.In this episode:🔥 Matthew responds to the backlash over his New York Times article🏳️‍🌈 “I’m Gay, Not Queer” — what Matthew actually meant✝️ LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity & affirming theology🧠 Queer theory vs. affirming theology💬 Why being LGBTQ+ shouldn't dictate what you believe❤️‍🩹 Can LGBTQ+ people be more conventional without being “less queer”?💍 Monogamy, marriage & sexual ethics🔥 Why Matthew says LGBTQ+ people shouldn't be pressured to conform🗣️ The importance of disagreement, debate & freedom within the LGBTQ+ community✨ Finding a middle ground between faith, identity and freedomMatthew also addresses one of the biggest questions surrounding the controversy: Can LGBTQ+ people be fully accepted without all believing the same things? His answer is a powerful argument for allowing LGBTQ+ people the freedom to define themselves, their relationships, their beliefs, and their faith for themselves. 🌈❤️You can be LGBTQ+. You can be Christian. And you can be both.ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and faith.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY:youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC:https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5✨ LEARN MORE:youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear it. ❤️#YouCanBeBoth, #MatthewVines, #GayChristian, #LGBTQChristian, #LGBTQ, #QueerChristian, #ChristianDeconstruction, #ReligiousTrauma, #AffirmingChristian, #LGBTQFaith, #ChristianPodcast, #LGBTQPodcast, #QueerTheology, #GayChristians, #LGBTQCommunity, #Christianity, #FaithAndSexuality

What happens when you start questioning everything you were taught about God, Christianity, women, relationships, and your own identity? In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Hope with Holly to talk about Christian nationalism, religious trauma, deconstruction, patriarchy, relationships, and finding the freedom to become your authentic self.Holly spent years deeply involved in evangelical Christianity and eventually began questioning the fundamentalist beliefs she had been taught. Today, she helps people heal from religious and relationship abuse, build healthier boundaries, and reclaim their identity.In this episode:🔥 Christian nationalism & fundamentalist Christianity✝️ Questioning everything you were taught about God💔 Religious trauma, shame & spiritual abuse🧠 Deconstructing Christianity & rebuilding your beliefs👩‍🦰 Women, patriarchy & purity culture🏳️‍🌈 LGBTQ+ people of faith & religious trauma❤️‍🩹 Healing, boundaries & learning to trust yourself✨ Finding freedom and living as your authentic self💛 Why you don't have to prove your worth to anyoneHolly also shares a powerful message for LGBTQ+ people of faith: you are worthy, you belong here, and you don't have to choose between authenticity and love. 🌈❤️You can be LGBTQ+. You can be Christian. And you can be both.ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and faith.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY: youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5✨ LEARN MORE: youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear it. ❤️#YouCanBeBoth, #HopeWithHolly, #ChristianDeconstruction, #ReligiousTrauma, #ChristianNationalism, #LGBTQChristian, #LGBTQChristians, #GayChristian, #QueerChristian, #LGBTQFaith, #DeconstructingChristianity, #Exvangelical, #ReligiousAbuse, #SpiritualAbuse, #LGBTQHealing, #LGBTQPodcast, #ChristianPodcast

Can you really change your sexual orientation? And why is same-sex attraction “unwanted” anyways?In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren takes a deeper look at the “ex-gay” movement and the idea of “unwanted same-sex attraction.” She explores the difference between sexual orientation, trauma, shame, self-destructive behavior, and healing—and asks whether the goal should be changing your sexuality or actually healing from the experiences that shaped how you see yourself.Lauren also talks about religious trauma, internalized shame, the pressure LGBTQ+ Christians can feel to reject their sexuality, and the belief that you have to choose between being LGBTQ+ and having a relationship with God.In this episode:🏳️‍🌈 Being LGBTQ+ and Christian ✝️💭 “Unwanted same-sex attraction”💔 The “ex-gay” movement🧠 Sexual orientation, trauma & shame🙏 Can you change your sexual orientation?📖 Christianity, homosexuality & judgment❤️‍🩹 Healing vs. changing who you are⛪ Religious trauma and internalized shame🌱 Learning to live from love instead of fear❤️ Finding peace with God as an LGBTQ+ ChristianIf you’ve ever been told that being gay means you’re separated from God, this conversation is for you. 🌈❤️You can be LGBTQ+. You can be Christian. And you can be both.ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and what it means to know that you can be both.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY:youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC:https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5Cnw4wOsCyYeVHzAif?si=UQLfKf5lTq6Zlx1BspX1lw&nd=1&dlsi=72b0ad4c14024c0c✨ LEARN MORE:youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear that *you don't have to choose between who you are and your relationship with God.*#YouCanBeBoth, #UnwantedSameSexAttraction, #SameSexAttraction, #ExGay, #ExGayMovement, #GayChristian, #LGBTQChristian, #LGBTQChristians, #ChristianAndGay, #ReligiousTrauma, #LGBTQFaith, #FaithAndSexuality, #ConversionTherapy, #GayChristians, #QueerChristian, #ChristianityAndLGBTQ, #LGBTQHealing, #DeconstructingChristianity, #LGBTQPodcast, #ChristianPodcast

What happens when you’re gay, you love Jesus, and you’ve spent years believing those two things can’t coexist?In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Brian Nietzel, LGBTQ+ advocate and co-founder of Renovus and the Making Things Right project, for an honest conversation about faith, sexuality, family, and finding peace with God.Brian shares his journey from conservative Christianity and years of celibacy to coming out, wrestling with Scripture, and realizing he didn't have to choose between being gay and following Jesus.They talk about coming out to his family, religious trauma, the “ex-gay” movement, deconstructing faith, LGBTQ+ Christians and conservative evangelicals, and whether it's possible to bridge the divide.Brian also shares why LGBTQ+ people don't have to be bridge builders—and how rediscovering the heart of Jesus helped him find freedom in his faith.In this episode:🏳️‍🌈 Being LGBTQ+ and Christian✝️ Faith and sexuality💔 The “ex-gay” movement📖 The Bible and homosexuality👨‍👩‍👦 Coming out to family🤝 LGBTQ+ Christians and evangelicals🌱 Deconstructing faith❤️ Finding peace with GodABOUT BRIAN NIETZELBrian Neitzel is a longtime advocate helping Christians and churches move beyond doctrinal debates toward more thoughtful conversations around LGBTQ+ issues. He co-founded Renovatus in 2019 and launched the Making Things Right project in 2021.ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and what it means to know that you can be both.🌈 JOIN THE COMMUNITY:youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC:https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5Cnw4wOsCyYeVHzAif?si=UQLfKf5lTq6Zlx1BspX1lw✨ LEARN MORE:youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, subscribe, comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear that **you don't have to choose between who you are and your relationship with God.**#GayChristian, #LGBTQChristian, #LGBTQFaith, #GayAndChristian, #ReligiousTrauma, #Deconstruction, #ExGay, #LGBTQChristians, #QueerChristian, #FaithAndSexuality, #BibleAndLGBTQ, #YouCanBeBoth, #BrianNeitzel

What makes a healthy lesbian relationship work?

How do you navigate communication, conflict, intimacy, and keeping the spark alive?

In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Dr. Lorri Sulpizio, a leadership psychologist, relationship coach, and director of the Conscious Leadership Academy at the University of San Diego, for an honest conversation about lesbian relationships—the good, the bad, and the ugly.They discuss dating, attachment, boundaries, relationship trauma, navigating exes, codependency versus healthy interdependence, maintaining individuality, and becoming a healthier partner.And yes—we talk about sex, desire, body confidence, romance, and whether lesbian bed death is real.

❤️‍🔥For LGBTQ+ people of faith, they also explore how religious shame can impact our relationship with our bodies, sexuality, and self-worth—and how we can begin unlearning those messages.

Whether you’re single, dating, or in a long-term relationship, this episode offers encouragement and practical insight for building love rooted in trust, communication, authenticity, and joy. 🌈

In this episode, we talk about:

🏳️‍🌈 Lesbian relationships

💗 Healthy relationships and dating

🚩 Red flags and green flags

🧠 Trauma and relationship patterns

💬 Communication and conflict

🤝 Codependency vs. healthy interdependence

👩‍❤️‍👩 Navigating exes

🌱 Maintaining individuality

🔥 Romance, intimacy, and desire

💋 Is lesbian bed death real?

❤️ Body confidence and sexuality

✝️ Religious shame and LGBTQ+ identity

About Dr. Lorri Sulpizio

Dr. Lorri Sulpizio is a leadership psychologist, executive and relationship coach, and director of the Conscious Leadership Academy at the University of San Diego. She works with individuals, couples, teams, and organizations to build stronger relationships, healthier cultures, and greater confidence.🎧 Subscribe to You Can Be Both for more conversations about faith, sexuality, relationships, healing, and authenticity.

ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTH

You Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and what it means to know that you can be both.

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What happens when two gay Christian men fall in love—but one of them is a pastor?In this deeply personal episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Kade Rogers and Dr. Greg Neal, a married gay Christian couple whose journey brings together love, faith, coming out, church, and the struggle to live authentically.Greg is an ordained pastor and theologian who spent years wrestling with his sexuality, faith, and the fear of what coming out could mean for his ministry. Kade came from a very different background, but when the two met, a friendship unexpectedly grew into love.Their relationship challenged everything they thought they knew about faith, identity, and what it means to truly live openly. Together, they navigated the difficult realities of being a gay couple within the church while holding onto their love for God and each other.Their story is ultimately about love, courage, faith, and finding a way to belong without hiding who you are.In this conversation, we talk about:❤️ Their love story and how they met✝️ Being gay and Christian💍 Same-sex marriage and faith🏳️‍🌈 Coming out later in life⛪ Church hurt and religious trauma📖 What the Bible actually says about homosexuality💔 Conversion therapy and its lasting impact🔥 Facing hatred from other Christians🙏 Finding an affirming church🌈 What it really means for a church to be LGBTQ affirming❤️ Choosing love instead of fear🫂 Creating a church where LGBTQ people truly belongIf you've ever wondered whether you can be gay, Christian, and fully yourself, I hope this conversation reminds you:You don't have to choose between who you are and your relationship with God.You can be both.Subscribe to You Can Be Both for more honest conversations about LGBTQ identity, Christianity, healing, faith, and belonging.ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTHYou Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and what it means to know that you can be both.🌈 JOIN THE YOU CAN BE BOTH COMMUNITY:youcanbeboth.com/community🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC:https://open.spotify.com/artist/3OUE5Cnw4wOsCyYeVHzAif?si=Uq3s_dhUTXmZmTsHxneDTA✨ LEARN MORE:youcanbeboth.comIf this episode connected with you, follow, leave a comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear that they don't have to choose between who they are and their relationship with God.#GayChristian #LGBTQChristian #GayCouple #Christianity #LGBTQFaith #GayAndChristian #ReligiousTrauma #ConversionTherapy #AffirmingChurch #YouCanBeBoth

What happens when you're told you can't be gay AND have a relationship with God?

In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with professional MMA and bare-knuckle fighter Miranda Barber for an honest conversation about being lesbian, Christian, family rejection, relationships, faith, and finding your purpose.

Miranda shares her story of coming out as a teenager, leaving home at 17, finding her identity in Christ, and learning not to let other people's opinions determine her relationship with God.She also talks about her career as a fighter, toxic relationships, resilience, and why she believes her fight is about so much more than what's happening inside the ring.

This episode is for you if:

• You struggle with being gay and Christian

• You've been told your sexuality separates you from God

• You've experienced rejection from your family or church

• You're questioning whether you can be LGBTQ and still have faith

• You're a gay Christian healing from religious trauma

• You've struggled with toxic relationships or finding your worth

• You want to hear an LGBTQ Christian perspective that is honest, hopeful, and unapologetic

🥊 MIRANDA'S NEXT FIGHT

Miranda's next bare-knuckle fight is October 23, 2026 in Biloxi, Mississippi.

Follow her on Instagram for updates and fight camp coverage.

ABOUT MIRANDA BARBER

Miranda Barber is a professional MMA and bare-knuckle fighter, coach, mentor, lesbian, and Christian. She has spent 15 years in boxing and has competed in the Professional Fighters League.

ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTH

You Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.Hosted by singer-songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, the podcast explores LGBTQ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, the Bible, deconstruction, healing, and what it means to know that you can be both.🌈

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What happens when you grow up believing there is only one path to God… and then realize that path requires you to deny who you are?

In this powerful episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Dr. Sara Glass, a psychotherapist, author, and lesbian who was raised in an ultra-Orthodox Hasidic Jewish community in Brooklyn.

Sara shares what it was like growing up in a deeply religious community where girls were prepared for marriage from a young age, sexuality was heavily controlled, and questioning the rules could mean losing your family and community. She opens up about being married at 19, believing she was supposed to overcome her attraction to women, and eventually realizing that she was gay.

Sara also answers one of Lauren’s biggest questions: Is Orthodox Judaism a cult?

Her answer is nuanced and deeply personal. Sara explains why she believes the particular sect she was raised in met the criteria of a cult, while also emphasizing that Orthodox Jewish communities and families are not all the same.

The conversation also explores religious trauma, LGBTQ identity, coming out, family rejection, deconstruction, purity culture, sexuality and religion, and whether it is possible to be both LGBTQ and Jewish.

And perhaps most importantly, Sara talks about the places where LGBTQ Jews CAN find community, support, and a way to hold onto their faith without abandoning themselves.

If you've ever been told you have to choose between your identity and your relationship with God, this conversation is for you.

ABOUT DR. SARA GLASS

Dr. Sara Glass is a psychotherapist in New York City, author of Kissing Girls on Shabbat, and a clinical expert who works with people navigating trauma, relationships, sexuality, and religious deconstruction. She also works with people leaving ultra-Orthodox communities.

Sara's story offers a powerful look at what happens when religious belief, sexuality, family, and identity collide.

ABOUT YOU CAN BE BOTH

You Can Be Both is a podcast for LGBTQ people of faith who have been told they have to choose between being queer and believing in God.

Lauren Lanzaretta created this space to remind LGBTQ people that your sexuality does not have to mean losing your faith, your spirituality, or your relationship with God.

🎵 LISTEN TO LAUREN'S MUSIC

Lauren is a singer-songwriter who creates music specifically for LGBTQ people of faith. Find her music on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, and wherever you listen to music.

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Connect with other LGBTQ people of faith, join community conversations, attend Wellness Wednesdays, participate in book club, hear from guest speakers, and build real friendships with people who understand what you've been through.

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What happens when the voice you were taught to believe was God’s voice becomes the voice telling you that you’re going to hell?In this powerful episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with licensed psychotherapist SC Nealy, an LGBTQ+ affirming therapist specializing in religious trauma, LGBTQ+ issues, and relationship counseling, to unpack what happens when faith, identity, shame, fear, and trauma become intertwined.SC shares their personal experience growing up in an ultra-conservative evangelical environment, being taught from a young age to fear LGBTQ+ identity, and eventually finding freedom in embracing who they are. SC also opens up about being kicked out of a church after coming out, navigating religious trauma, and how those experiences ultimately shaped their work as a therapist.In this conversation, we talk about:• How to recognize religious trauma• The difference between guilt and shame• How high-control religious environments can impact LGBTQ+ identity• Why LGBTQ+ people can struggle with identity exploration after religious trauma• Why the fear of hell can remain even after leaving or deconstructing from the church• How religious trauma can affect your nervous system• Why you can intellectually know something isn't true while your body still feels unsafe• Practical grounding techniques for moments of fear, shame and anxiety• The impact of being rejected by your church or family• Whether you can be LGBTQ+ AND Christian• How to separate God’s voice from the messages we’ve been taught by people• Why healing often means moving away from black-and-white thinking• How finding safe LGBTQ+ community can help with healing• What it means to stay in religion while actively challenging oppressive systems• Why SC believes we should lean into curiosity instead of certaintyOne of the most powerful moments in this conversation is when SC explains that religious trauma isn't always one huge traumatic event. For many people, it's “a thousand cuts over time” — layer upon layer of shame, fear, rejection, control and messages that teach your body it isn't safe.And if you've ever left the church, accepted your LGBTQ+ identity, or begun deconstructing your faith but still occasionally find yourself thinking:“What if they're right?”“What if I'm going to hell?”“What if I'm doing something wrong?”SC explains why those thoughts and feelings can continue long after you've intellectually rejected the beliefs that caused them — and why healing isn't always about convincing your mind. Sometimes, it's about teaching your body that you're safe.We also talk about how community can play a powerful role in healing from religious trauma, especially for LGBTQ+ people who have experienced rejection from their families or churches. As SC explains, what is broken in groups can sometimes be healed in groups.SC's book, Healing Sacred Wounds, explores religious trauma and invites readers to ask questions rather than simply accepting someone else's answers. SC's goal isn't to tell people what to believe — it's to help people examine what they've experienced and decide what they believe for themselves.If you've experienced religious trauma, church hurt, spiritual abuse, Christian deconstruction, LGBTQ+ rejection, fear of hell, shame surrounding your identity, or confusion about how your faith and sexuality can coexist, this episode is for you.You don't have to choose between who you are and your relationship with God.🌈 JOIN THE YOU CAN BE BOTH COMMUNITYA safe community for LGBTQ+ people of faith:YouCanBeBoth.com/community📖 SC Nealy's book — Healing Sacred WoundsLearn more at lgbtcounselingdmv.com/healing-sacred-wounds🎙️ Subscribe to You Can Be Both for conversations about LGBTQ+ identity, Christianity, religious trauma, deconstruction, faith, healing, and learning that you really can be both.If this episode speaks to you, like, subscribe, and share it with someone who needs to hear this.#YouCanBeBoth

Is street preaching actually biblical — or is it pushing people further away from Jesus?

In this episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren Lanzaretta takes a deeper look at street preachers, aggressive evangelism, and the Christians who show up at Pride events with signs of condemnation. After several uncomfortable encounters with street evangelists herself, Lauren asks an important question:

Is this really how Jesus taught Christians to reach people?

We look at what the Bible actually says about evangelism, how Jesus treated people, religious hypocrisy, the psychology behind why forceful preaching can create resistance, and research suggesting people are far more receptive to conversations about faith through genuine relationships than strangers preaching at them on the street.

Lauren also explores the culture surrounding aggressive street preaching, masculinity, authority, religious fundamentalism, and why confronting street preachers can sometimes reinforce their belief that they are being persecuted for telling “the truth.”

For LGBTQ+ people who have already experienced rejection, discrimination, and religious trauma, being confronted with condemnation at Pride or in public spaces can be especially painful. So how should LGBTQ+ Christians respond?

Maybe the most powerful form of evangelism isn’t yelling louder. Maybe it’s loving people. Serving people. Knowing people. Listening to people. And allowing our lives to demonstrate the love of Jesus before our words ever do.

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What should Christian parents do when their child comes out as gay, transgender, or nonbinary?

In this deeply personal episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Shari Bruck—a mother of two LGBTQ+ children—to discuss faith deconstruction, religious fear, unconditional love, and what it truly means to support your child.

Raised in a strict Catholic family, Shari grew up surrounded by religious shame, guilt, patriarchy, and the belief that there was only one acceptable path to God. As she began questioning those teachings, she developed a spirituality rooted not in fear or control, but in love, curiosity, acceptance, and our shared humanity.

Years later, both of Shari’s children came out—Taylor as gay and Riley as LGBTQ+, gender-nonconforming, and using they/them pronouns. Shari shares honestly about what came naturally, what required learning, the mistakes she has made, and why parents do not need to understand everything about their child’s identity in order to love and respect them.

This conversation explores:

• How parents should respond when their child comes out

• Why being LGBTQ+ is not a choice

• Learning to use they/them pronouns

• Supporting a nonbinary or gender-nonconforming child

• Deconstructing harmful religious beliefs

• The damage caused by shame, rejection, and religious fear

• Why rejecting your LGBTQ child will not change who they are

• Finding chosen family when your biological family does not accept you

• Choosing love even when you do not fully understand

As Shari powerfully explains, your child is still the same person you have always known and loved. Coming out does not change them—it allows you to know them more honestly and deeply.

“You’re not going to pray the gay away. You’re not going to ostracize the gay away.”

For every Christian parent struggling to understand their LGBTQ+ child, this episode offers a simple place to begin: pause, listen, ask questions, keep your heart open, and default to love.

If your family has rejected you because of your sexuality or gender identity, please remember: you are worthy of love, you are not alone, and there are people who will accept you exactly as you are.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 Meet Shari Bruck

00:43 Growing up in strict Catholicism

02:38 Deconstructing religion and redefining spirituality

07:31 Creating a home where children feel safe

10:24 When Taylor came out as gay

15:16 Loving LGBTQ children without shame

23:50 Learning about nonbinary identity and they/them pronouns

31:19 Why parents should “default to love”

36:05 How to respond when your child comes out

40:37 Religious fear versus your child’s truth

45:08 Accepting yourself and finding chosen family

48:29 Let love be your guiding principle

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If you've ever wondered whether you can be both LGBTQ+ and Christian, this conversation is for you.

In this powerful episode of You Can Be Both, Lauren sits down with Mattie Mae Motl—a progressive Bible scholar, Master of Divinity graduate, and PhD candidate studying gender, sexuality, and the New Testament—to unpack some of Christianity's biggest questions.

Together they discuss:

✨ Is being gay really a sin?
✨ What the Bible actually says about LGBTQ people
✨ The "clobber verses" explained
✨ Why Jesus never mentioned homosexuality
✨ How deconstruction can strengthen—not destroy—your faith
✨ Women, patriarchy, and the Bible
✨ Why love—not fear—is the lens Jesus taught us to read Scripture through
✨ How LGBTQ Christians can find peace with God

Whether you're deconstructing your faith, healing from religious trauma, or simply searching for honest conversations about Scripture, this episode offers hope, compassion, and a fresh perspective rooted in biblical scholarship.

If this conversation encouraged you, please LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and share it with someone who needs to hear that you really can be both LGBTQ and a person of faith.

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In this powerful conversation, Lauren Lanzaretta interviews Pastor Kristian Smith—a straight, fifth-generation Baptist preacher and fierce LGBTQ+ advocate—about his journey from embedded homophobia to becoming one of the most vocal allies in the Black church community.

Kristian shares how a simple question asked in seminary—"Did you choose your sexuality?"—completely transformed his theology. He discusses why so much homophobia is rooted in sexual discomfort, the importance of visibility in Black and queer communities, and what real allyship looks like in 2026.

This is a must-watch for anyone seeking to understand intersectional faith, spirituality, and justice.

About Kristian Smith:

Public theologian, digital pastor, author of "Breaking All the Rules" and "Question Your Answers: A Deconstruction Survival Guide." Host of the Holy Smokes Cigar and Spirituality Podcast. Master's of Divinity from Mercer University's McAfee School of Theology.

YOU CAN BE BOTH PODCAST: A faith-rooted, justice-centered conversation space for LGBTQ+ people and allies. Join Lauren Lanzaretta as she talks faith, identity, and what it means to be authentically yourself.

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Together, they discuss:

• 🇺🇸 What America's founding ideals actually promised
• ✝️ The rise of Christian nationalism and how it differs from Christianity
• 🌈 Why LGBTQ rights remain under attack
• 📜 The meaning behind "all men are created equal"
• ❤️ How Christians can resist fear and choose love instead
• 🙏 Why fighting for equality is one of the most American things we can do

Rather than giving up on America, Lauren and Tim explore why the country's 250th birthday can be an invitation to continue working toward the promise of liberty and justice for everyone.

If you've ever wondered whether you can be proud of your country while also advocating for change, this conversation is for you.

Pride Month isn't about celebration. It's about survival.

Lauren Lanzaretta breaks down the hard truth about why LGBTQ people need Pride Month in 2026. And why the criticism, the bills, the "Straight Pride Month" debate, and the political weaponization of trans people prove we need it now more than ever.

THE FACTS:

• 10+ countries execute people for being gay
• 60+ countries criminalize same-sex relationships
• 27 U.S. states can still legally fire you for being LGBTQ (despite federal protections, there are loopholes)
• 36% of LGBTQ youth seriously considered suicide last year
• 800+ anti-LGBTQ bills were introduced in 2025 alone

THE REALITY:

LGBTQ+ people are kicked out of their homes by families. They're rejected by churches. They're targeted by politicians. They're assaulted in the streets. And yet, somehow, they're told to apologize for existing.

This is why we need Pride. Not as a party. As a lifeline.

Lauren discusses the systemic oppression, the cultural warfare, the spiritual battle, and what Jesus actually calls us to do: love radically. Not judge. Not exclude. Love.

If you're LGBTQ+, you deserve to know you're not alone. If you're an ally, you need to understand what real solidarity looks like. If you're a person of faith, this will challenge everything you thought you knew about loving your neighbor.

WATCH THIS IF:

You're struggling with your identity

You've been rejected by your church or family

You want to understand why Pride Month matters

You're an ally seeking to do better

You believe in love over hate

YOU ARE WORTHY. YOU ARE LOVED. YOU MATTER.

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Sara Cunningham, founder of Free Mom Hugs, shares the powerful story of how she went from rejecting her gay son to leading an international movement that has impacted hundreds of thousands.

It wasn't easy. When Sara's youngest son came out to her at 21, she didn't take it well. She was frozen in fear — terrified he would be condemned to hell, convinced that accepting him would make her a sinner too. She shamed him with the very best of intentions.

But everything changed in 2014 when her son invited her to her first Pride parade. There, she met a girl who hadn't hugged her mother in four years because she was a lesbian. That hug — that moment — became the spark that ignited Sara's journey toward understanding, acceptance, and ultimately, unconditional love.

Today, Free Mom Hugs is an international nonprofit movement with over 40,000 volunteers and 250 groups across the country. Sara has been featured on the Today Show, RuPaul's show, in People Magazine, and the Washington Post. But more importantly, she's helping thousands of LGBTQ+ people and their families find healing, belonging, and acceptance.

In this episode, Sara opens up about:

-The moment she found out her son was gay and how she initially responded

-How her theology deconstructed and reconstructed-Finding an online community of 250 moms going through the same journey

-The pivotal moment at Pride that changed everything

-How Free Mom Hugs grew from a simple gesture into a global movement

-Why visibility, education, and conversation matter

-Her message to parents still struggling with their child's sexual orientation

This episode is for anyone struggling with faith and LGBTQ identity, parents coming to terms with having an LGBTQ child, or anyone interested in the power of radical love and acceptance.

You Can Be Both Podcast reminds you that you can be both LGBTQ+ and a person of faith.

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For more than 20 years, Leah Rae Yawn (formerly Shafer) was a gospel worship leader at Saddleback Church. She sang for Women of Faith, worked with Michael W. Smith and Natalie Grant, recorded multiple albums, and sung the national anthem at NFL games. Her voice and faith were her livelihood, her heart, and her life.

Then she came out as gay — and lost it all.

In this powerful episode of You Can Be Both, Leah Rae opens up about her journey from a strict Christian upbringing to realizing she was bisexual, her 21-year marriage to a man, and the moment she met Captain Sandy Yawn from Bravo's Below Deck Mediterranean — the first woman she ever truly loved.

When the churches that had been her home for decades discovered her relationship with Sandy, they rejected her completely. She was no longer allowed to lead worship. Her platform vanished. The community she'd served for two decades turned their backs.

But in losing everything, Leah found something greater: authenticity, freedom, and a partner who loves her unconditionally.

In this episode, Leah shares:

• How she suppressed her sexuality for decades while leading worship
• The moment she knew she was drawn to women
• What it felt like to lose her church community overnight

• Her relationship with Captain Sandy and what true love means now
• Why LGBTQ+ people belong in church and can lead worship
• Her message to LGBTQ+ people still struggling in the closet or in unsupportive churches

Leah's Powerful Message: "If you can't find a church that you feel like you belong to, there's so many other beautiful things out there that can help you thrive. Church is not a building — it's the soul."

This is a conversation about faith, rejection, love, and reclaiming your voice. If you've been rejected by a faith community, if you're struggling to come out, or if you're navigating faith and sexuality — this episode is for you.

FEATURED:

-Leah Rae Yawn, Gospel Singer & Worship Leader (Now Married to Captain Sandy Yawn)

-Host: Lauren Lanzaretta, You Can Be Both Podcast

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Lauren's LGBTQ+ Healing and Resource Guide: laurenlanzaretta.com/youcanbeboth

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