After the Deluge

My guests are Mike Kinsella and Steve Lamos of American Football, who put out their fourth self-titled LP earlier this year.

We talk about being rewritten into a history they weren’t part of, Nick Drake, Bright Eyes (because I shoehorn it in), American Football as a minimalist project, Pinback/Mogwai/Tortoise, how they wrote then vs. how they write now, the neuroscience of syncopation, the GQ profile from earlier this year, the Top-200 Emo Albums of All Time, The Tony Kornheiser Show, and the confluence of sports and indie music. And more of course!

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Claire Carusillo is the author of The Responsible Party (out Aug. 11) and co-owner of Storyboard—a book shore/skate shop in Midway, UT. We talk about Baller*na Farm turning the town into a Tradwife Mecca, her family’s real-life shipwreck history, hot tub maintenance, bunking up in a lighthouse, how Ch*tGPT has ruined Reality TV recaps, writing at the crack of dawn, and the book coming out very very soon.

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The original Jackson Browne interview just got hit with a c*pyright strike, so here's a video version without the song clips. Originally aired in 2023.

Our guest on the Season One finale is Jackson Browne (!) and we talk about his whole career, from writing "These Days" at 16 up to his latest record, Downhill From Everywhere. Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com.

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2:00 - The Dreamer

7:20 - “I can’t write a song that simple”

10:00 - “Somebody’s Baby” & simple songs

13:00 - Describing life to yourself is a cool job

16:45 - The ocean is downhill from everywhere

20:00 - Sylvia Earle and the Blue Heart of the planet

23:00 - "We need the ocean to survive"

22:45 - Coming down from acid and getting a song idea on the freeway

32:00 - Jamming with Greg Copeland and Greg Leisz

36:00 - The invaluable nature of session musicians (and how Jackson treats them)

41:45 - Me sharing an dorky story about a Jackson Browne show

43:25 - Playing acoustic and why have 10 guitars up there

49:30 - Are guitar solos dead?

52:45 - On Phoebe Bridgers, Dawes, Tal Wilkenfeld, and other young artists

54:20 - The last lines of "These Days" explained

Jonathan Bernstein is a Senior Research Editor for Rolling Stone and author of the new book What Do You Do When You’re Lonesome? — the authorized biography of Justin Townes Earle. You can buy it now.

We talk about the night we learned of Justin's death, songs about heroin and crack, writing descriptively about finger picking, Justin made his father the villain, the last quarter-century of roots music, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, fashion, self-sabotage, Chicago, "Movin' On," writing a book about someone who bends the truth and/or lies, Justin's childhood, the post-CD-pre-streaming era, "Mama's Eyes," and finally Jonathan's favorite JTE record.

Get the book! https://www.dacapopress.com/titles/jonathan-bernstein/what-do-you-do-when-youre-lonesome/9780306833274/

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Chris DeVille is Managing Editor at Stereogum and author of the book Such Great Heights, available for preorder now. We talk about the 2007 Bon Iver debut album, For Emma, Forever Ago. Also going cabin-mode in the Wisconsin winter, this album's lore, the indie landscape in '08, Pitchfork kingmaking, The OC, Garden State, Popt*mism, gentrifying indie music, hearing "Skinny Love" at my bad recession-era office job, "Flume" as a thesis, stacking falsetto harmonies, the lyrics, staring out windows at crows, Sable, bass-fishing boats, "Re: Stacks" and final tracks, cooking with minimal ingredients, Blood Bank EP, the pursuit of hipness and the evolution of indie rock. Order Chris's book.

Blood Bank EP episode is live now on Patreon: patreon.com/afterthedeluge

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Season 4 of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Bon Iver discography with a new guest on each episode, starting in the cabin with For Emma, Forever Ago and going in all kinds of directions from there. Subscribe an tell a friend.

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Michele Catalano has posted prolifically about music on the internet for years. She’s 62 years old and recently launched https://ihavethatonvinyl.com/. We talk seeking out new music as we age, classic rock, new wave, 2015 was a bad music year for her, she bought her new website’s domain in 2004 and forgot she had it, writing about her record collection, Songs for the Deaf, Brand New, Covid collecting, any regretful purges of records?, we’re bullish on CDs, Aztec Camera, her favorite Beatles album, a diabolical record-organizing system, Kevin Devine, the best music years of our lives, The Doors, is Eric Clapton about to have a moment?, Yacht Rock, the Weezer discography, deactivating her Twitter, humans sharing music with humans, and what she has in store for the site: https://ihavethatonvinyl.com/

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Longmont Potion Castle is a beloved recording artist and anonymous prank caller from Colorado. Interview starts at 11 mins. We talk about touring-band soundtracks, flipwild, deep and uncontrollable laughter, bruschotti, piglets, “After the Deluge” by Sodom, his daily conversation style, the Longmont documentary, whether his calls are mean-spirited, squid sandwiches, Otis, he’s not a comedian, a complete Darwinian society, his funky relationship with language, a feral bodybuilder, looping effects, his childhood court-ordered therapy, calling celebrities like Alex Tr*beck, LPC III, music industry evolution/devolution, Spot*fy, what are nü metal DJs doing when they scratch those records?, monetizing weird stuff, new Longmont incoming, we call my friend Matthew, Squid on my Side, Yucatan Suckerman, and the hottest new fusion band out of Colorado.

Thanks to Travis and Tony for joining me for the intro. We recorded this the day before LA caught fire and we send all of our best to the city.

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Dylan Tupper Rupert is the host of the podcast series, Groupies. It's the latest season of KCRW's Lost Notes. She's also Producer Emeritus for Bandsplain. We talk about birth control, the dawn of punk, a scandalous take on Cosmo in 1971, making a show about sexual relationships between rock stars and teens, that Cormac McCarthy Vanity Fair story, the vampiric energy of Jimmy Page, Pamela Des Barres, Dee Dee Keel, empowerment vs. exploitation, the mid-2000s Seattle scene, The Vera Project, The Lashes, her feelings about LA, Blood Brothers, throwing a music fest on Orcas Island, and the Jackson Browne For Everyman house. Groupies is live now on your podcast app.

Subscribe to After the Deluge Patreon and get extra stuff and a free zine mailed to your home: ⁠patreon.com/afterthedeluge⁠

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Jason Stewart is co-host of the podcast How Long Gone. We talk about foreplay in interviewing, lightweight counter-programming when everything's political, Ep. 50 with Willy Staley, listening to podcasts is Gen Z meditation, early Adam Carolla, The Mount Rushmore of Glendale Podcasters, not asking bands about their music, How Long Gone’s marketing strategy, the Snail Mail episode, Guns & Roses bassist Duff McKagan spiked his interview, comedians who talk like your high school friends, the current state of Twitter, Jason’s favorite nut, and roasting a chicken atop a bed of thick sourdough slices. (The episode descriptions for the show are a direct rip off of How Long Gone).

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Today it's a short one about a couple of quintessential Jackson Browne songs. My guest is Patrick Lyons and the impetus for this episode is these two recent articles about the songs "These Days" and "The Pretender." Patrick wrote the latter, and both articles are great.

The Song That Connects Jackson Browne, Nico and Margot Tenenbaum, by Bob Mehr (NYT)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/12/arts/music/jackson-browne-these-days-nico.html

"The Pretender," by Patrick Lyons (Inbox-Infinity)

https://www.inbox-infinity.com/the-all-timers-6-jackson-brownes-the-pretender/

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This is a conversation about the 2024 Bright Eyes record Five Dice, All Threes. My guest is Justin Corwin and we discuss The National, Elon Musk in virgin whites, Cat Power, the Alex Orange Drink discourse, Bright Eyes and friendship, Mogis/Nate Walcott, Down in the Weeds, movie-dialogue motif, actually Scorsese is good and Frank Sinatra sucks, Phoebe Bridgers, Real Feel 105, Stevie Nicks singing “Silver Springs,” Conor Oberst live-show discourse, “Tin Soldier Boy” makes me want to run through a wall (positive), The Fader reporter showing Conor negative Reddit threads lol, a very titillating question about 311, and we predict the Pitchfork score.

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Here's Justin Corwin's YouTube channel, The Deep Dive: https://www.youtube.com/@THEDEEPDIVE

Alex plays in The So So Glos and was a formative influence on the new Bright Eyes record, Five Dice, All Threes — out Sept 20th. We talk about Waxahatchee, islands in the PNW, why his body can’t break down protein, his cancer diagnosis, living as if you’re dying, crashing at Conor Oberst's house in LA, casually writing new Bright Eyes songs, a stripped-down record, phone calls between Alex and Conor during treatment, The So So Glos reunion, what the album title means, his tricked-out In-N-Out order, The Eras Tour, Alex weighs in on 311, “I’m not slowing down, I’m speeding up,” Mike Mogis + Nate Walcott, the case for ignoring your problems, and he gives a glimpse at the intro track on Five Dice, All Threes...

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Pieter Pastoor is the host of Listening Lyrics, a weekly radio show on KDRTfm in Davis, CA. Pieter is 79 years old and he puts out a radio show every week. The first podcast-adjacent thing I ever did was go on his show a decade ago. Fun one for me.

We talk about his failed attempt to interview poets in the “late 1900s,” open mic nights, recording live and not overthinking it, interviewing locals > interviewing pros, KDRT, Rita Hosking, don’t be lame just make stuff, biking across Holland, Jackson Browne (ding ding), The Lovin’ Spoonful, Bright Eyes’ “We are Nowhere and it’s Now,” Paul Simon’s “Graceland,” Pieter reads a poem, Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan’s “Tempest,” Herb Alpert, The Avett Brothers, and: what was the best five-year stretch of your life?

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Daniel Ralston is the writer and producer of the podcast series The True Story of the Fake Zombies, available everywhere. We talk about “Time of the Season” blowing up without The Zombies knowing about it, Rolling Stone's Ben Fong Torres, Buzzfeed’s longform era, turning an article into a podcast, ? & the Mysterians, the ZZ Top of it all, small-town history museums, Huell Howser, 70s artists that popped off in the 80s, Jason Molina, British psych and Texas blues, Justin absolutely flubs a new podcast “segment,” Malibu real-estate scene report, Kanye’s Ando house, Daniel’s old neighbors (Axl Rose and a guy named “Rattlesnake”) and the current state of the The Zombies.

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Steven Hyden is a writer and podcaster whose new book, There Was Nothing You Could Do, is out now. We talk about the Patio Hall of Fame, why he’s a terrible DJ, vinyl is for suckers, music hits different on the patio, Skynyrd vs. Neil Young, Steve picks the most patio-friendly Radiohead and Pearl Jam records, how he writes so damn much, small-town newspapers, a Mr. Miyagi analogy we can all learn from, “liking Nebraska but not Bruce Springsteen” is a whole type of guy (aka me), Jackson Browne (mark your Bingo card), LA vs. NY mindset, are politicians still playing Born in the USA?, early 90s vs late 90s, Shania Twain, heartland rock, and is Sublime good or do they stink?

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Miranda Reinert is a writer, podcaster and zine maker. We talk about making a full-on magazine, Jimmy Montague/Taking Meds, getting ideas out of your head and into the world, The End of Merch?, your double-knee Carhartts are a social signifier, creating something that lasts, tangibility, Grace Robins-Somerville on Hole’s Live Through This, what are you communicating when you post your Last.fm 4x4s and 5x5s?, Miranda’s favorite hockey team, we debut a new segment, The New York Rangers are cringe, The Tampa Bay sports teams can’t fill their stadiums and neither can The Black Keys, we ideate on a Cruise Concert that would kill, and a peek inside of Portable Model, Issue One.

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Do artists get worse with age or can they get more interesting? Behold the Jokermen Mindset.

Ian and Evan of the Jokermen podcast and I talk about approaching music with an empty head, Dylan’s Philosophy of Modern Song, when artists DO just get shittier with age, Albini & Steely Dan, what song would a group of Canadian bachelor party bros sing together over a cliffside?, “mid TV” and boring art, Hackney Diamonds, Steven Hyden, Fountain of Sorrow, Gawker, and the Jackson Browne/Warren Zevon bond. The current season of Jokermen is about The Beach Boys. It's beautiful, go listen.

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Laura Jane Grace is the songwriter behind Against Me! We discuss meaningless songs, the 7-hour Beatles documentary, she quit horoscopes, big life changes, Travis Barker on Rick Rubin, Operation Ivy reunion vs. Fugazi reunion, hoarding guitars, “Fit But You Know It” by The Streets, Butch Vig gave Laura homework, Franz Ferdinand-core, bitching about the music industry in song, Laura’s favorite Nirvana album, Steve Albini, Tom Petty, naiveté + inexperience + ambition + hard work = good, morning-pages, Yoga with Adriene, Steak Mtn as a pen-pal, Birds Talk Too, touching grass, George Harrison, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dysphoria Hoodie, not thinking about gender, Lay’s potato chips and Billy Corgan, shredding her voice, relapsing on coffee, movies stink now, plus the current and future state of Against Me! Laura's new solo record, ⁠Hole in My Head⁠, is out now. Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com

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This one's not like the others. It's four pals in a room doing an Against Me! song draft while drinking Rainiers and eating junk. It's dumb and wonderful and only on Patreon: AGAINST ME!

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Guests: Ryan Page, RJ Myers, Matt Helms, Justin Cox (me)