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“You’ll be alright, no one can hurt you now.” It’s spooky season! So this week, we’re exploring how horror shows up in Taylor Swift's songwriting, even when the songs are not explicitly horror songs. Jodi, Maansi, and Jenn break down the genre's core ingredients, then each bring in a Taylor Swift song to test that lens and show how fear, suspense, foreshadowing, and eerie atmosphere can reshape the way the lyrics feel. If you enjoy hearing literary concepts applied to pop music, this one maps horror, thriller, mystery, and gothic tension onto Taylor Swift in a fun and engaging way.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• The Hunger Games
• This Story Might Save Your Life
• The Golden Spoon
• The Clockmaker’s Daughter
• The Merge
• Rebecca
• Grendel
• Beowulf
• Doctor Faustus
• Werewolves Within
• The Cabin in the Woods
• Wicked

Books from this season:https://bookshop.org/lists/season-4-books

Episode Highlights:

[00:00] The five elements of horror: fear, setting, suspense, foreshadowing, mystery
[13:01] Don’t you dare look out your window “Safe and Sound”
[22:41] I think I’ve seen this film before and I didn’t like the ending “Exile”
[34:19] I attend Christmas parties from the outside “I Look in People’s Windows”

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"I’d be a fearless leader, I’d be an alpha type." This week we're going line-by-line through Taylor Swift's "The Man" (Lover, 2019), written by Taylor Swift and Joel Little, in a literary analysis deep dive on masculinity and the gender double standard. We pick apart the conditional mood, the alpha wolf myth, the "they" who write the narrative, and how a woman's personal life gets tangled up with her professional reputation. Then we compare the music video with the Eras Tour staging and share our purposes for the song.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• APTS Episode 21: Show and Tell - Musicals
• APTS Episode 100: Taylor Swift Songs That Transcend Time - Blank Space, New Romantics, The Man
• APTS Episode 130: Alliteration in Taylor Swift's Music | "Our Song," "Call It What You Want" & More
• APTS Episode 19: Show and Tell - Satire
• The Canterbury Tales (the Wife of Bath), Geoffrey Chaucer
• Twelfth Night, William Shakespeare
• Fiddler on the Roof
• She's the Man (2006)
• The Wolf of Wall Street
• The Revenant
• 12 Angry Men
• Miss Americana
• Rudolf Schenkel's 1940s captive wolf research

Episode Highlights:

[00:00] Welcome to "The Man" (Lover, 2019), and the title: She's the Man and Beyoncé's "If I Were a Boy"

[05:14] I would be complex, I would be cool: the conditional mood, "conquest," and who the "they" are

[12:25] I'd be a fearless leader, I'd be an alpha type: personal life vs. professional reputation, and the alpha wolf myth

[21:38] When everyone believes you, what's that like? and the chorus, I'm so sick of running as fast as I can

[33:38] What I was wearing, if I was rude: verse two and the hustle double standard

[42:40] I'd be just like Leo in Saint-Tropez: Leonardo DiCaprio and "let the players play"

[47:48] It's okay if you're mad: the bridge

[55:58] The satirical music video vs. the Eras Tour performance

[1:05:28] Our purposes: permission to be mad, the personal-professional blur, and the "they"

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I’ll be your father figure. In this Show and Tell episode, Jenn, Jodi, and Maansi unpack masculinity as a cultural construct, from powdered wigs and heels in 18th century France to Travis Kelce happily playing the less famous partner on New Heights.

Jenn kicks things off with Better Man, flipping every one of the ex's flaws to sketch the man Taylor actually wants (grateful, consistent, kind, and secure enough not to talk down to anyone). Jodi brings The Man and gets real about the double standards that turn a woman's "edge" into a man's ambition, plus why leaning in never quite worked. Maansi closes with Father Figure, tracing every Jaguar, chateau, and glass of brown liquor back to the patriarch. (And yes, she researched the history of dick measuring contests. For science.)

Along the way, the hosts map R.W. Connell's hegemonic masculinity, Aragorn versus Commodus, the Byronic hero, Hemingway's code hero, and the colonial baggage packed into a single word like "conquest." Pour yourself a whiskey (or don't, it tastes like fire) and press play.

Episode Highlights

• 00:59 Intro to the topic
• 11:36 Jenn's pick, Better Man, plus its Little Big Town backstory
• 22:35 Jodi's pick, The Man, and the rebranding of female ambition
• 37:48 Maansi's pick, Father Figure, and the patriarch in the title

Mentioned in This Episode Books

• The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir
• Masculinities by R.W. Connell
• When Women Lead by Julia Boorstin
• Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg
• Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë
• Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë
• The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
• Hamlet by William Shakespeare
• The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien

Browse every book we've mentioned at our Bookshop.org storefront.

Films

• The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
• Gladiator
• Casino Royale
• The Godfather

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"I took your matches before fire could catch me" This week we're going line-by-line through Taylor Swift's "Dear John" (Speak Now, 2010). We go through the WWII-era history behind the title, the epistolary letter form, and how a breakup letter becomes an act of reclaiming her own story. And surprisingly, we walk away realizing (spoiler alert) maybe this song isn’t as sad as we thought!

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Dear John, Nicholas Sparks (novel)
• Dear John (2010 film)
• "A Dear John Letter" — Jean Shepard & Ferlin Husky (1953)
• The Correspondent, Virginia Evans (novel)
• Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone — wizard's chess scene
• "Your Song," Elton John
• AP Taylor Swift: "Dear Reader" episode

Episode Highlights:

[01:19] Why "Dear John" is such a track five

[01:42] What a Dear John letter actually is — the WWII-era origin of the phrase

[05:55] "Long were the nights"

[10:39] "You paint me a blue sky and go back and turn it to rain"

[17:48] "don't you think I was too young to be messed with"

[36:33] "I took your matches before fire could catch me"

[45:53] The turn from "I should have known" to "you should have known"

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I wanna be your end game. Roll the dice, pick your teams, and pull up a chair, because this week is all about games (decidedly not sports). Taylor reaches for game metaphors constantly, and once you start looking, you find chess boards, poker hands, and team rosters all over her catalog.

Jenn kicks things off with the big thinkers of play, from Johan Huizinga’s magic circle to Roger Caillois’s four types of play to game theory, the field that treats every board game as a tiny model of human decision making. Then Jodi takes us inside the chess game of “Dear John,” where somebody else keeps changing the rules. Jenn lays her cards on the table with “Foolish One” and explains why showing your hand first is a classic game theory mistake (hello, sucker’s payoff). Maansi closes with “End Game,” tracing “end game,” “first string,” and “A-Team” back to chess, medieval archery, and the US Army, and landing on a very different kind of game where both players finally sit on the same side of the board.

Along the way we detour through Jumanji, Lord of the Flies, Alice in Wonderland, The Queen’s Gambit, a Garry Kasparov masterclass, and the ancient Indian roots of chess. Grab your game pieces and play along!

Episode Highlights

• [01:27] Jenn sets the stage with games as a core part of being human
• [09:44] Jodi on “Dear John”
• [22:46] Jenn on “Foolish One”
• [37:28] Maansi on “End Game”
• [52:57] Honorable mentions lightning round

Mentioned in This Episode

• Homo Ludens by Johan Huizinga
• Man, Play and Games by Roger Caillois
• Jumanji by Chris Van Allsburg
• Lord of the Flies by William Golding
• Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
• Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
• The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins
• The Queen’s Gambit by Walter Tevis
• The Notebook by Nicholas Sparks
• The Mahabharata

Browse all our picks at https://bookshop.org/shop/apts

Film and TV

• The Queen’s Gambit (Netflix)
• Jumanji (1995)
• The A-Team (1983)

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"They say the road gets hard, and you get lost when you're led by blind faith." This week we're going line-by-line through "False God" (Lover, 2019). We trace the blind faith, the confession and forgiveness, and the New York City vs. West Village metaphor to figure out who's the deity and who's the devotee in this relationship.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• APTS Episode 107: State of Grace Deep Dive
• "Like a Prayer," Madonna
• Arrested Development

Episode Highlights:

[00:15] What is a “false god”?
[02:27] "We were crazy to think, crazy to think that this could work"

[08:29] "Like I'm not your favorite town... I'm New York City"

[15:38] "You get lost when you're led by blind faith"

[25:46] "Even if it's a false god, we'd still worship this love"

[40:09] "Heaven's a thing... hell is when I fight with you"

[46:18] "You're the West Village"

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And the God's honest truth is that the pain was heaven" This week we're looking at Taylor Swift's lyrics through the lens of God as a literary symbol — the ultimate judge, the absent silent one, and the lover. Maansi brings in "Soon You'll Get Better" (Lover, 2019), Jodi covers "False God" (Lover, 2019), and Jenn digs into "Would've, Could've, Should've" (Midnights, 2022).

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Crime and Punishment, Fyodor Dostoevsky
• The Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne
• Silence
• Silence (2016, dir. Martin Scorsese)
• Their Eyes Were Watching God, Zora Neale Hurston
• Night, Elie Wiesel
• Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret, Judy Blume
• Hildegard of Bingen: The Woman of Her Age, Fiona Maddocks
• The Song of Solomon, The Bible
• The poems of Emily Dickinson
• Female Painters Episode
• Odyssey Episode
• Greek Mythology Episode

Episode Highlights:

• [01:00] God as a literary symbol:
• [13:23] "Soon You'll Get Better"
• [26:46] "False God"
• [37:29] "Would've, Could've, Should've"

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"I was there when you said, forever and always." In this deep dive, we crack open why "Forever and Always" is a bait and switch song, tracing how Taylor takes a romantic idiom and flips it into a play by play of a relationship falling apart in real time. We trace the whole arc: the extraordinary to ordinary swap in that first "I believe it was a Tuesday" line, the low-key violence hiding inside a single word ("caught"), and the moment a few lines in when she stops calling it a relationship and starts calling it "this thing." By the bridge, even the chorus gets rewritten. So what actually happened between them? All three of us landed somewhere different, and that's kind of the whole point of a deep dive.

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Episode Highlights:

[02:16] What "forever and always" actually means, and why the title uses it ironically

[08:54] "Caught" versus "hold": the violence and the comfort hiding in her word choice

[25:30] The chorus hits: "I stare at the phone"

[41:14] The universal ache of not knowing what you did wrong

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"Dear Reader, If it feels like a trap, you're already in one." This week we're kicking off Season 4 by looking at Taylor Swift's lyrics through reader-response theory. The framework, pioneered by Stanley Fish, argues meaning isn't fixed in a text but created in the act of reading—or in our case, listening! Jodi digs into "Forever and Always" (Fearless, 2008), Maansi takes on "Peace" (folklore, 2020), and Jenn closes it out with "Dear Reader" (Midnights, 2022) — a song that's basically begging for this exact analysis. Listen and learn why Swifties are the epitome of an interpretive community.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Stanley Fish & Reader Response Theory
• The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald
• Jane Eyre, Charlotte Brontë
• Miss Americana
• Fearless Album Deep Dive (After School paid preview) — Substack version
• "The Odyssey" and Taylor Swift's Songs | AP Taylor Swift E

Episode Highlights:

• [01:12] What is reader-response theory?
• [09:50] "Forever and Always"
• [22:35] "Peace"
• [32:37] "Dear Reader"

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“Fatefully, I tried to pick my battles 'til the battle picked me” This week, we're diving into the timeless influence of Greek mythology in Taylor Swift's music by exploring connections between Taylor's songs and classic Greek myths. Jodi finds links between Demeter and Persephone’s sorrow in The Hymn to Demeter and the Folklore song "My Tears Ricochet.” Maansi shows us how "Long Story Short” sounds like Odysseus recounting his epic journey as he returns home. And Jenn gets into the ancient story of the Labyrinth and how it reflects themes of self-discovery and transformation in "Labyrinth." Is Taylor Swift a modern-day Homer? Listen and find out!

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Mentioned in this episode:

Mythology, Edith Hamilton

The Iliad, Homer

The Odyssey, Homer

Metamorphoses, Ovid

Percy Jackson series by Rick Riordan

E44: Metaphors + “The Tortured Poets Department”

E22: Mastermind

Homeric Hymns

The Hymn to Demeter

Hadestown (musical)

Hercules (Disney animated film)

E54: One Year Anniversary of AP Taylor Swift

Circe, Madeline Miller

Fantasyland by Kurt Andersen

The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell

Stephen Fry’s Mythos, Heroes, and Troy

Episode Highlights:

Introduction to Greek Mythology
"my tears ricochet" folklore
"long story short" evermore
"Labyrinth" Midnights

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“And I was catching my breath, barefoot in the wildest winter…” What happens when a 21st-century American poet meets a 19th-century one? In this Show & Tell episode, we explore the literary lineage between Taylor Swift and Emily Dickinson. Each of us brings a favorite Dickinson poem paired with a Swift song that touch on shared motifs such as separation, isolation, and hope. Tune in to find out which modern-day Taylor tracks sound like 19th-century poetry—and why we think Emily might vibe with Evermore.

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Mentioned in this episode:

The Letters of Emily Dickinson

The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson

Hope is the Thing with Feathers

They Put Us Far Apart (Poem 474)

It Was Not Death, for I Stood Up (Poem 355)

Message in a Bottle – Taylor Swift

Evermore – Taylor SwiftKarma – Taylor SwiftBeauty and the Beast (live-action & Broadway versions)Hamilton

Taylor Swift by the BookAncestry.com – Taylor & Emily’s distant cousin connectionEmily Dickinson MuseumTikvah (Hebrew word for hope)

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Episode Highlights:

[6:26] “Message in a Bottle” + they put us far apart

[16:03] “Evermore” + It was not death, for I stood up

[29:31] “Karma” + Hope is a thing with feathers

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"Nice to meet you, where you been? I could show you incredible things..." In this deep dive episode, we dissect one of Taylor Swift's most iconic satirical masterpieces: "Blank Space" from 1989. Join us as we unpack the magic, madness, heaven, and sin of a song that dared to ask: what if we owned the narrative instead of fighting it?

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Mentioned in this episode:

• A Midsummer Night's Dream, William Shakespeare
• Pretty Little Liars (TV series)
• The Office (TV series)
• Wife of Bath from The Canterbury Tales, Geoffrey Chaucer

Episode Highlights:

[04:29] Diving into “Blank Space”

[10:15] “New money, suit and tie” - character analysis

[17:27] Analyzing the chorus

[24:31] Shakespearean references

[30:50] “Cherry lips, crystal skies” vs. “stolen kisses, pretty lies”

[37:25] "I get drunk on jealousy"

[40:44] Bridge analysis: "Boys only want love if it's torture"

[46:59] Getting into the purpose of “Blank Space”

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"I'm only me when I'm with you" This week on AP Taylor Swift, we're diving into an AP Lit favorite: Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice (1813). We trace Elizabeth and Jane Bennet's unshakeable sisterhood through "I'm Only Me When I'm With You," relive Darcy's catastrophically bad proposal through "Haunted," and land on "Lavender Haze" for a look at gossip, reputation, and what it means to fall in love in a world where marriage is a woman's only real option. Along the way: the literary canon, Regency courtship logistics, Bridgerton comparisons, and a debate about whether Elizabeth would be a Hinge girl.

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Songs Discussed

"I'm Only Me When I'm With You"

Taylor Swift, Track 12 (2006)

Written by: Taylor Swift, Robert Ellis Orrall, Angelo Petraglia

"Haunted"

Speak Now (2010) / Speak Now (Taylor's Version) (2023)

Written by: Taylor Swift

"Lavender Haze"

Midnights, Track 1 (2022)

Written by: Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff, Jahaan Sweet, Mark "Sounwave" Spears, Sam Dew, Zoë Kravitz

Episode Highlights

[01:01] Setting the scene: Pride and Prejudice, published 1813, and "a truth universally acknowledged"

[06:48] "I'm Only Me When I'm With You" — Jenn's pick and the case for Jane and Elizabeth as the book's real love story

[30:36] "Haunted" — Maansi's pick, staged around the infamous first proposal

[48:24] "Lavender Haze" — Jodi's pick, tied to the novel's opening line about marriage

Mentioned in this episode:

Books

Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen — Bookshop.org

Emma, Jane Austen — Bookshop.org

The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, Anne Brontë — Bookshop.org

Pride & Prejudice (2005) — JustWatch

Bridgerton — JustWatch

& Juliet (musical) — Official site

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"It's nice to believe, when you think Tim McGraw." This week on AP Taylor Swift, we're going line-by-line through Taylor Swift's "Tim McGraw" (debut, 2006) — her very first single. We trace a Chevy truck down some back roads, argue about whether "that's a lie" means something different by the end of the song than it did at the beginning, float (and mostly reject) a death theory, and land on why a 16-year-old writing about one summer might be one of the most quietly ambitious songwriting choices of her career.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Anita de Monte Laughs Last, Xóchitl González — https://bookshop.org/p/books/anita-de-monte-laughs-last-xochitl-gonzalez/19987600
• The Last Song (2010) — https://reelgood.com/movie/the-last-song-2010
• Hannah Montana: The Movie (2009) — https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/hannah-montana-the-movie
• To All the Boys I've Loved Before — https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/to-all-the-boys-ive-loved-before
• The Summer I Turned Pretty — https://www.justwatch.com/us/tv-show/the-summer-i-turned-pretty
• Dirty Dancing (1987) — https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/danse-lascive
• Grease (1978) — https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/grease

Episode Highlights:

[03:38] "He said the way my blue eyes shined put those Georgia stars to shame that night. I said, that's a lie."

[05:43] "Just a boy in a Chevy truck"

[08:01] "I was right there beside him all summer long"

[10:46] "When you think Tim McGraw, I hope you think my favorite song"

[11:35] "When you think happiness, I hope you think that little black dress"

[15:58] "September saw a month of tears"

[19:25] "In a box beneath my bed is a letter that you've never read from three summers back"

[33:55] Purpose of the song

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“Why you gotta be so mean?” In this week’s episode of AP Taylor Swift, we put “Mean” (Speak Now), “nothing new” (Red, Taylor’s Version), and “mirrorball” (folklore) under the lens of feminist literary theory. We talk about the male gaze, the ingenue, gendered violence imagery, the punishment of “unlikeable” women, and why a song written over a decade ago can still feel like it was written yesterday.

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Mentioned in this episode

• Middlemarch, George Eliot
• Unlikeable Female Characters: The Women Pop Culture Wants You to Hate, Anna Bogutskaya
• The Robber Bride, Margaret Atwood
• Mean Girls (2004)
• Grease (1978)
• It’s a Man’s (Celluloid) World, Center for the Study of Women in Television & Film, San Diego State University

Episode Highlights

[00:23] Welcome to the Show & Tell — Women’s History Month and a primer on feminist literary theory

[04:59] “Mean” (Speak Now) — gendered weapon imagery and “you, with your words like knives and swords”

[20:37] “nothing new” (Red, Taylor’s Version) — false empowerment and “girls go out and have your fun”

[37:32] “mirrorball” (folklore) — adapting yourself for others’ approval

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"I don't want to keep secrets just to keep you" This week on AP Taylor Swift, we're going line-by-line through Taylor Swift's "Cruel Summer" (Lover, 2019). This episode turns into a deep dive into fever dreams, Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, attachment theory, and the surprising twist that the real red flag in this song might be Taylor herself.

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Mentioned in this episode:

The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald

Romeo and Juliet

A Midsummer Night's Dream

Attached

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Episode Highlights:

[04:02] How we do a deep dive

[06:48] “Fever dream high in the quiet of the night”

[11:34] “Devils roll the dice, angels roll their eyes”

[13:20] “It’s blue, the feeling I’ve got”

[19:20] “Hang your head low in the glow of the vending machine”

[25:10] “Cut the headlights, summer’s a knife”

[29:47] “I’m drunk in the back of the car”

[34:15] “He looks up grinning like a devil”

[40:08] Purpose of the song

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"Now the sun burns my heart and the sand hurts my feelings" This is a re-air of one of our favorite episodes. We’re looking at the literary symbolism of summer — freedom, danger, nostalgia, and everything in between. Jenn breaks down "Cruel Summer" (Lover, 2019), Jodi covers "August" (folklore, 2020), and Maansi digs into "hits different" (Midnights, 2023). Along the way we bring in The Great Gatsby, A Midsummer Night's Dream, and more to unpack why summer shows up in literature as both a season of freedom and a season that can cut you to the bone.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald
• A Room with a View, E.M. Forster
• A Midsummer Night's Dream, William Shakespeare
• My Ántonia, Willa Cather
• A Wrinkle in Time, Madeleine L'Engle
• What Happened to Goodbye, Sarah Dessen
• "White Houses", Vanessa Carlton

Episode Highlights:

[02:30] Topic introduction — Summer in literature

[09:32] "Cruel Summer" (Lover, 2019)

[20:05] "August" (folklore, 2020)

[34:05] "hits different" (Midnights, 2023)

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"I like shiny things, but I'd marry you with paper rings." To celebrate Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce's wedding, we each picked a song from Taylor's discography that captures a different perspective on marriage: the fairy tale proposal of "Love Story" (Fearless, 2008), the anti-materialist love declaration in "Paper Rings" (Lover, 2019), and the suburban married-life contentment of "Wi$h Li$t" (The Life of a Showgirl, 2025).

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Mentioned in this episode:

• E32: Love Story Song Analysis
• De Beers Diamond Marketing Campaign History
• Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare

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Episode Highlights:

[00:00] Congratulations to the happy couple!

[06:52] "Love Story" — the fairy tale proposal

[17:09] "Paper Rings" — I don't need the shiny things

[32:35] "Wishlist" — boss up, settle down

[46:00] The songs we didn't pick (and why)

[48:44] What was their first dance?

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“Life was a willow and it bent right to your wind” This week, we finally try to find the actual meaning behind Taylor Swift's "willow" (evermore, 2020), starting with the witchy mythology behind the title (hello, Hecate, Greek goddess of magic and the underworld) and tracing a real power dynamic underneath it.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• "willow", evermore (2020)
• “The Odyssey” Deep Dive (E136)
• Aesthetic Theory (E29)
• Witches (E60)
• Hecate, Greek goddess of magic and the underworld
• Harry Potter and the Whomping Willow
• Pocahontas and Grandmother Willow
• "WAP", Cardi B
• How I Met Your Mother

Episode Highlights:

[00:00] Intro — continuing last week's Odyssey deep dive into "willow"

[01:59] The title: willow mythology, Hecate, and witchy vibes

[05:26] “I'm like the water when your ship rolled in that night”

[17:07] “Lost in your current like a priceless wine”

[28:55] “Life was a willow and it bent right to your wind”

[42:49] “I come back stronger than a 90s trend”

[59:04] The purpose of the song

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“In silent screams and wildest dreams, I never dreamed of this. This love is good. This love is bad. This love is alive back from the dead.”

This week we’re setting sail on one of history’s greatest epics, Homer’s The Odyssey, and asking a very important question... did Taylor Swift write it? (We’re mostly joking. Mostly.) In this Show & Tell episode, we each make the case for a Taylor Swift song that illuminates a different facet of the Odyssey, from Penelope’s 20-year vigil to Odysseus weeping on a gorgeous island, to the sirens, the wine-dark sea, and a very significant scar. Along the way, the hosts dig into questions of translation and interpretation — particularly the significance of Emily Wilson’s landmark female translation of the text — discuss the role of Athena in the story of the epic, and geek out about the archery contest that shows up in both the Odyssey and two Indian epics. Plus: the upcoming Christopher Nolan adaptation, the musical Epic by Jorge Rivera, Madeline Miller’s Circe, and why All Too Well (10 Minute Version) might just be Taylor’s own Odyssey.

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Songs Discussed in This Episode:

• This Love — Taylor Swift (1989, 2014) | Written by Taylor Swift and Nathan Chapman
• I Don’t Want to Live Forever — Taylor Swift & Zayn (Fifty Shades Darker soundtrack, 2017) | Written by Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff, and Sam Dew
• Willow — Taylor Swift (evermore, 2020) | Written by Taylor Swift and Aaron Dessner

Honorable Mentions:

• Long Story Short (evermore) — previously discussed in our Greek Mythology episode (E67)
• Breathe (Fearless)
• Treacherous (Red)
• The Great War (Midnights)
• The Story of Us (Speak Now)
• High Infidelity (Midnights)
• Castle’s Crumbling (feat. Hayley Williams, Speak Now (Taylor’s Version))
• Dear Reader (Midnights)
• State of Grace (Red)
• Gold Rush (evermore)

Mentioned in This Episode:

• The Odyssey, Homer (trans. Emily Wilson)
• The Odyssey, Homer (trans. Robert Fagles)
• Circe, Madeline Miller
• The Song of Achilles, Madeline Miller
• The Penelopiad, Margaret Atwood
• Epic: The Musical, Jorge Rivera-Herrans
• Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey (upcoming film)
• All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version) — mentioned as a potential “Taylor’s Odyssey”
• Ulysses, James Joyce (briefly mentioned)

Episode Highlights:

• [~00:01] Welcome and why the Odyssey, why now
• [~10:45] Maansi’s pick: This Love as Penelope’s story — the weaving scheme, the suitors, and letting go
• [~24:00] Jenn’s pick: I Don’t Want to Live Forever as Odysseus refusing immortality on Calypso’s island
• [~38:27] Jodi’s pick: Willow — ships, the wine-dark sea, Charybdis, the sirens, and the bait-and-switch of Odysseus’ return
• [~01:00:19] Honorable mentions: Breathe, Treacherous, The Great War, The Story of Us, High Infidelity, Castle’s Crumbling, Dear Reader, State of Grace, Gold Rush

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