Podcast
Coparenting Beyond Conflict: High-Conflict Divorce and Custody Strategies
A podcast for parents navigating the hardest kind of co-parenting—when every message feels like a minefield and peace feels out of reach. Whether you’re dealing with a narcissistic ex, coercive control, or the exhaustion of family court battles, Coparenting Beyond Conflict is your lifeline. You’re not alone, and you’re not powerless.
Each episode delivers practical strategies, clinical frameworks, and real-world tools to help you protect your kids, disengage from emotional chaos, and establish lasting boundaries—even if your co-parent never changes.
🔗 Learn more & resources: https://bestinterest.app/coparenting-podcast
🎧 What You’ll Learn
• De-escalation tactics to defuse hostile exchanges and eliminate drama in text messages and emails (including BIFF communication).
• Parallel parenting strategies designed for high-conflict custody schedules and rigid parenting plans.
• Legal and mediation navigation to help you make sound decisions alongside family law attorneys and divorce coaches.
• Boundary frameworks to protect your nervous system and support your children's emotional well-being.
• Tech tools and AI moderation that filter toxic communication before it reaches you.
You’ll hear actionable guidance from leading clinical experts (including Dr. Ramani Durvasula, Wendy Behary, and Tracy Malone), family law professionals, and parents who have successfully walked this path.
🎙 About Your Hosts
Sol Kennedy is a co-parent, father of two, and the founder of BestInterest (bestinterest.app)—the first AI-powered co-parenting app built to support families in high-conflict situations. After years of facing the realities of high-conflict co-parenting firsthand, Sol founded this podcast to empower other parents to reclaim control and prioritize healing.
Reneé Lee is a co-parent and Emmy Award-winning journalist with over a decade of experience anchoring live broadcasts across major markets including Phoenix, San Diego, and the Pacific Northwest. Skilled at asking incisive questions and navigating high-pressure conversations, she brings her veteran broadcast background to BestInterest as spokesperson for co-parents and co-host of the Coparenting Beyond Conflict podcast, dedicated to helping families cut through noise and foster healthier dynamics.
💬 Real Tools. Real Stories. Real Change.
Subscribe to Coparenting Beyond Conflict on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app to start shifting from constant defense to genuine stability. New episodes drop bi-weekly.
Watch: Full video interviews stream at https://bestinterest.app/youtube
DISCLAIMER: This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute legal, psychological, or medical advice. Please consult a licensed family law attorney or mental health professional regarding your specific situation.
- Episodes
- 50
- Releases
- Every two weeks
- Typical length
- 37 min
- On air since
- 2024
- Latest episode
- 1 week ago
Episodes
50 episodes, newest first
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33 min
The Umbrella Question: A New Way to Approach Co-Parenting Conflict with Sam Imperati
Season 2, Episode 21
Show notes
What if co-parenting conflict didn’t have to be a debate about who is right and who is wrong? In this episode of Coparenting Beyond Conflict, Sol sits down with attorney, former judge, and mediator Sam Imperati to explore a different way of approaching conflict: moving from debate to exploration.
Sam shares what he learned from decades in litigation, on the bench, and in mediation—including why even the “winner” in a courtroom battle may walk away feeling depleted. He explains how conflict can become a self-perpetuating cycle of suspicion, documentation, and preparing for the next battle, with children caught in the middle.
The conversation centers on Sam’s “umbrella question,” a framework for identifying both parents’ needs while keeping their shared interests—and the best interests of their children—as the true north. Sol and Sam also discuss empathy, reasonableness, mediation, the “co-parent echo,” and how humor can sometimes help reset a tense interaction.
Links
Learn more about Sam Imperati and ICM Resolutions: https://www.icmresolutions.com/
Get the BestInterest Coparenting App: https://bestinterest.app/
Use code BEYOND10 for $10 off BestInterest.Subscribe to our newsletter to hear about new episodes and build community: https://bestinterest.app/subscribe-podcast/
Keywords
co-parenting conflict, high conflict co-parenting, conflict resolution, mediation, co-parenting communication, umbrella question, collaborative co-parenting, divorce mediation, family court, co-parenting disputes, parenting conflict, children and divorce, emotional reactivity, empathy, negotiation, conflict management, parallel parenting, BestInterest, Sam Imperati
Key Takeaways
• Co-parenting conflict can become a cycle of suspicion, documentation, and preparing for the next battle.
• Focusing on the best interests of the children can provide a shared “true north” during difficult disagreements.
• The umbrella question shifts a conversation from debating positions to exploring both parents’ underlying needs and interests.
• Empathy and acknowledging the other parent’s perspective don’t require you to abandon your own position.
• Reasonableness, balance, and credibility can be powerful tools in conflict.
• A neutral third party can help create space for productive dialogue when direct negotiation has become difficult.
• Appropriate humor can sometimes reduce tension and help people reset during conflict.
• The goal isn’t always to win the argument—it’s to find a solution that works for the people involved.Chapter Highlights
00:00 — Welcome & Meet Sam Imperati
01:05 — Where Sam Finds Peace
01:39 — From “Pit Bull” Attorney to Mediator
02:40 — What Sam Learned From the Bench
04:10 — When Winning Doesn’t Feel Like Winning
05:45 — When Co-Parenting Becomes a Case File
06:41 — Finding Your True North
07:46 — What Are We Teaching Our Kids?
08:35 — The Umbrella Question
11:57 — Who Belongs Under the Umbrella?
12:32 — Does Collaboration Make You Look Weak?
15:10 — The Co-Parent Echo
15:52 — Turning the Echo Into Preparation
18:24 — Why Reasonableness Matters
20:30 — Sam’s Unexpected Career in Comedy
22:18 — Humor in the Courtroom
23:55 — Can Humor Help in Conflict?
24:46 — Using Self-Deprecating Humor
25:48 — Lightning Round
28:18 — When Is a Dispute Resolvable?
28:40 — When One Parent Won’t Collaborate
30:03 — The Value of Reality Therapy
32:04 — Finding a Better Way Forward
32:17 — Where to Find SamWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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42 min
High Conflict Divorce, or Post-Separation Abuse? with Ksenia Muench
Season 2, Episode 20
Show notes
What happens when divorce doesn’t actually end the conflict? For some families, the dynamics that made a relationship difficult continue long after separation—through communication, finances, the court system, parenting disagreements, and the children. In this episode of Coparenting Beyond Conflict, Sol sits down with high-conflict divorce coach Ksenia Muench to explore whether what we commonly call “high conflict divorce” is sometimes better understood as post-separation abuse.
Ksenia shares her own experience navigating a high-conflict divorce and explains how she learned to move from emotional reactivity toward clarity, discipline, and strategy. She and Sol discuss why traditional advice to “just get along for the kids” can sometimes make things worse, how parallel parenting and strong boundaries can reduce conflict, and why learning to disengage can be one of the most powerful things a parent can do.
The conversation also explores the practical realities of high-conflict family court cases, choosing an attorney, the Gray Rock method, and the ways AI can help parents communicate more neutrally—while also creating new risks when AI simply validates each parent’s version of events. Ultimately, Ksenia and Sol return to a powerful idea: you may not be able to change the other parent, but you can change your relationship to the conflict and reclaim your own power.
Links
• Thrive Again Divorce Coaching: http://www.ThriveAgainDivorceCoaching.com
• High Conflict Playbook: https://www.HighConflictPlaybook.com
• Uncoupled and Unfiltered podcast
• BestInterest — the co-parenting app: BestInterest
• Get 10% off BestInterest: Use code Beyond10
• Subscribe to our newsletter to hear about new episodes and build community: https://bestinterest.app/subscribe-podcast/Keywords
high conflict divorce, post-separation abuse, high conflict co-parenting, parallel parenting, Gray Rock method, divorce, high conflict personality, narcissistic abuse, emotional reactivity, co-parenting communication, family court, divorce attorney, parenting plan, boundaries, financial abuse, child alienation, co-parenting apps, AI and co-parenting, BestInterest, divorce recovery, divorce coaching, Ksenia Muench
Key Takeaways
• High-conflict dynamics don’t necessarily end when a divorce is finalized. Conflict can continue through communication, finances, parenting disputes, and the court system.
• What is commonly called “high conflict divorce” can sometimes involve patterns of post-separation abuse and continued attempts to maintain control.
• One of the most important shifts is moving from being reactive to being strategic.
• Parallel parenting can sometimes be more appropriate than trying to force collaboration between parents who have a highly conflictual relationship.
• The Gray Rock method can help reduce conflict by making your communication neutral, brief, and uninteresting to someone seeking an emotional reaction.
• Strong boundaries and disciplined communication can help parents avoid unnecessarily escalating conflict.
• Choosing the right attorney matters, particularly when a divorce involves significant conflict or safety concerns.
• AI can help parents neutralize emotionally charged messages and think through difficult situations—but it can also reinforce a person’s existing perspective if used uncritically.
• You don’t have to change the other parent to change your experience of high-conflict co-parenting.
• Healing from a high-conflict relationship can ultimately become an opportunity for personal growth, greater self-awareness, and a different way of living.Chapter Highlights
00:00 — Welcome & Meet Ksenia Muench
01:11 — Where Ksenia Finds Peace
04:06 — Ksenia’s Journey Through Divorce
06:22 — Would You Still Get Divorced If You Knew How Hard It Would Be?
07:51 — Why Parenting Plans Can Fail Over Time
08:44 — Should Parallel Parenting Come First?
10:28 — How Ksenia’s Background Helped Her Navigate Divorce
12:12 — What Is High-Conflict Divorce, Really?
14:15 — How to Become Less Reactive
15:58 — How Parents Sabotage Themselves in Court
17:26 — When the Mask Starts to Slip
19:28 — Choosing the Right Divorce Attorney
20:53 — How to Choose an Attorney for a High-Conflict Divorce
22:21 — The High Conflict Playbook
23:40 — Why the Conflict May Continue After Divorce
25:32 — Taking Back Your Power
26:46 — The Gray Rock Method
28:41 — What Happens When You Stop Reacting?
30:18 — Can AI Help With High-Conflict Co-Parenting?
32:32 — The Dark Side of AI Validation
34:22 — Using AI to See Another Perspective
36:45 — Is High-Conflict Divorce Really Abuse?
37:05 — What Divorce Changed About Sol
37:35 — From Survival to Awakening
38:40 — Finding Growth After High-Conflict Divorce
39:42 — You’re Not AloneWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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45 min
When Blended Families Get Complicated: Boundaries, Exes & In-Laws with Alicia Krasko
Season 2, Episode 19
Show notes
What happens when you fall in love with someone who already has a family?
In this episode, Sol and Louise sit down with stepmom coach and Stepmom Side podcast host Alicia Krasko to explore the realities of blended family life—including the parts nobody prepares you for. Together, they talk about finding your role as a stepparent, navigating exes and in-laws, managing the emotional intensity of custody transitions, and building a strong partnership when conflict from the other household inevitably affects your family.
Alicia shares her own journey from feeling overwhelmed and unsure of her place in her stepfamily to finding confidence, setting boundaries, and learning what she could—and couldn’t—control. She explains why connection needs to come before correction, why stepparents don’t need to be best friends with the other parent, and why the strength of the couple relationship is one of the most important foundations of a peaceful blended family.
Whether you’re a stepparent, dating someone with children, or trying to understand how blended family dynamics affect your coparenting relationship, this conversation offers an honest look at the challenges—and the possibility of finding peace without needing everything around you to change.
Learn more about Alicia Krasko: https://AliciaKrasko.com
Listen to the Stepmom Side podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-stepmom-side-podcast/id1698216989
Get the BestInterest Coparenting App: https://bestinterest.app/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/NdWMUVAy3aI
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Keywords
Blended families, stepparenting, stepmom, high-conflict co-parenting, coparenting, stepparent boundaries, family systems, custody transitions, co-parent communication, parenting after divorce, stepmom burnout, in-law boundaries, parental alienation, emotional regulation, blended family dynamics, child wellbeing
Highlights
• Why Alicia prefers “stepmom” over “bonus mom.”
• The unexpected challenges of entering a family in the middle of its story
• Why stepparents can feel pressure to immediately love, parent, and fit into an established family system.
• How insecurity can make ordinary blended-family conflicts feel like emergencies.
• Why the couple relationship is the foundation of a peaceful blended family
• How asking “How can I support you?” can change the way partners navigate conflict.
• Why custody exchanges can be emotionally intense for both children and adults.
• How children can seem like different people as they transition between households.
• Why clear house expectations can actually help children feel more secure.
• The difference between connection and correction—and why connection should come first.
• Why stepparents shouldn’t take either affection or rejection from their stepchildren personally.
• How to set boundaries with grandparents and in-laws who undermine parental authority
• Why you don’t have to be friends with your partner’s ex to have a healthy coparenting relationship
• How comparing your blended family to seemingly perfect families on social media can create shame.
• Why trying to control everything can lead to stepmom burnout.
• How to focus on what you can control when the other household is high conflict.
• The five-day, five-week, five-year question that can help put conflict into perspective.Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:07 Meet Alicia Krasko
02:06 Why “Stepmom” Instead of “Bonus Mom”?
03:12 The Biggest Surprise About Becoming a Stepmom
05:08 Navigating the Ex and Finding Your Role
08:41 What Changes in a High-Conflict Situation?
09:01 Keeping the Couple Relationship Strong
11:14 How Partners Can Support Each Other
13:41 The Emotional Intensity of Custody Transitions
16:36 How Kids Adapt Between Two Households
18:23 House Rules, Structure, and Boundaries
20:26 When a New Stepparent Changes the Family Dynamic
24:29 BestInterest AI Coparenting App
25:11 Grandparents and In-Law Dynamics
29:24 Setting Boundaries With Extended Family
33:16 Alienation and Grandparents Choosing Sides
36:20 Stepmom Lightning Round
36:41 The Biggest Mistake Stepmoms Make
37:28 What to Do When a Stepchild Pushes Back
38:14 Does a Stepmom Need a Relationship With the Biomom?
40:55 How Stepparent Burnout Happens
41:16 Building Connection With a Stepchild
43:08 Alicia’s Advice for Stepparents in the Thick of It
43:48 Where to Find Alicia Krasko
44:18 ClosingWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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35 min
When One Parent Is High Conflict: How to Protect Your Kids with Hallie Strauss and Kate Alcamo
Season 2, Episode 18
Show notes
What happens when the conflict between co-parents becomes the center of family life—and the kids get caught in the middle? In this episode, Sol sits down with Hallie Strauss and Kate Alcamo, co-founders of The Co-Parent Collective, to explore how parents can reduce conflict, protect their children’s emotional wellbeing, and build healthier post-divorce family dynamics.
Hallie brings the perspective of a psychologist, parenting coordinator, custody evaluator, and mediator who works with families navigating high-conflict dynamics. Kate is a licensed marriage and family therapist and child specialist who helps parents understand divorce from the child’s perspective. Together, they offer complementary insights into everything from parenting coordination and parallel parenting to communication, identity shifts, and the ways children experience parental conflict.
They discuss why “spouse mind” can keep parents stuck in old relationship dynamics, why parallel parenting can sometimes be a healthy stepping stone rather than a failure, and how one parent de-escalating can dramatically change the temperature of a co-parenting relationship. They also share practical communication strategies, including BIFF (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm), writing messages as though a judge—or your child—might read them, and using technology to create boundaries around difficult communication.
The conversation also explores AI and co-parenting, the growing role of parenting coordinators, when professional teams can help support families, and The Co-Parent Collective’s Child-Centered Divorce Playbook.
Links
• Watch the full episode on YouTube
• Learn more about the Co-Parent Collective: https://www.thecoparentcollective.com
• Follow the Co-Parent Collective on Instagram: @TheCoparentCollective
• BestInterest — the co-parenting app: BestInterest
• Get 10% off BestInterest: Use code Beyond10
• Coparenting Beyond Conflict: https://coparentingbeyondconflict.com
• Subscribe to our newsletter to hear about new episodes and build community: https://bestinterest.app/subscribe-podcast/Keywords
co-parenting, high-conflict co-parenting, divorce, parenting coordination, parenting coordinator, parallel parenting, collaborative parenting, child-centered divorce, child specialist, custody evaluation, co-parenting communication, BIFF communication, spouse mind, parent mind, emotional regulation, divorce and children, co-parenting apps, AI and co-parenting, identity shifts after divorce, conflict de-escalation, parenting plans
Key Takeaways
• Kids are affected more by how parents navigate divorce than by divorce itself.
• Shift from spouse mind to parent mind.
• Parallel parenting isn’t necessarily a failure.
• You don’t have to engage in every conflict.
• De-escalation can start with one parent.
• Write every message as if someone else will read it.
• BIFF can help keep communication focused:
• Regulate before you respond.
• Children may know more than parents realize.
• Children have their own divorce timeline.
• Parenting coordinators can provide structure and help keep professionals out of the conflict.
• Acceptance can be empowering.
• When a child shares something alarming, start with validation.
• Self-regulation and connection are powerful first steps.Chapter Highlights
00:00 — Welcome to Coparenting Beyond Conflict
01:04 — Finding Moments of Peace
02:10 — How Hallie and Kate Found Their Way Into Divorce Work
05:28 — What Does a Parenting Coordinator Do?
07:46 — Building a Professional Team Around High-Conflict Families
08:17 — Managing Triangulation in High-Conflict Cases
10:04 — When Does a Parenting Coordinator Have Binding Authority?
11:15 — How High Conflict Impacts Children
13:04 — Does It Take Two to Tango?
14:37 — The Power of De-Escalation
15:30 — Separating the Court Battle From the Co-Parenting Relationship
17:33 — How Parental Conflict Affects Kids Over Time
18:53 — Parallel Parenting vs. Collaborative Parenting
21:21 — Rebuilding Trust After Divorce
21:37 — The Identity Shifts of Divorce
22:37 — When You’re Afraid Everything Will Be Used Against You
23:49 — How to Communicate Without Escalating Conflict
25:36 — Write It as If Your Child Will Read It
26:27 — AI and the Future of Co-Parenting Communication
28:03 — The Child-Centered Divorce Playbook
30:02 — Lightning Round: The Biggest Co-Parenting Lessons
31:36 — The Three H’s: Hugged, Heard, or Helped?
32:28 — When Co-Parenting With a High-Conflict Ex Gets Easier
33:28 — What You Can Do Today
34:20 — Connect With The Co-Parent CollectiveWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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42 min
Bill Eddy on High-Conflict Co-Parenting: Stay Calm, Set Limits & Protect Your Kids
Season 2, Episode 17
Show notes
High-conflict co-parenting can leave you feeling like you’re constantly walking on eggshells—every text message, exchange, or court filing has the potential to pull you into another cycle of conflict. In this episode, Sol sits down with Bill Eddy, co-founder of the High Conflict Institute, therapist, family lawyer, mediator, and creator of the internationally recognized BIFF® communication method.
Bill shares four decades of practical wisdom on how to communicate without escalating conflict, why trying to “teach the other parent a lesson” almost always backfires, and how parents can protect their children by modeling emotional regulation instead of getting pulled into reactivity. They also explore the promises and pitfalls of AI in co-parenting communication, Bill’s new SLIC framework for setting boundaries that actually work, and why the skills we teach our children today can help break cycles of conflict for generations to come.
Whether you’re navigating a difficult co-parent, supporting clients through family conflict, or simply looking for a more peaceful way forward, this conversation is packed with practical tools you can begin using immediately.
Learn more about Bill Eddy and the High Conflict Institute: https://highconflictinstitute.com/
Explore Conflict Influencer and the New Ways for Families program: https://conflictinfluencer.com/
Get the BestInterest Coparenting App: https://bestinterest.app/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/r_Cktp5OGvk
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Keywords
Bill Eddy, High Conflict Institute, BIFF method, SLIC, high-conflict co-parenting, difficult co-parent, narcissistic co-parent, parallel parenting, co-parent communication, family court, emotional regulation, boundaries, setting limits, consequences, conflict resolution, AI communication, New Ways for Families, parenting after divorce
Key Takeaways
• The BIFF method (Brief, Informative, Friendly, Firm) helps reduce conflict without expecting the other person to change.
• One of the biggest communication mistakes is trying to teach the other person a lesson.
• Avoid the “Three A’s” in high-conflict communication: advice, admonishments, and apologies.
• Writing your own BIFF responses builds the mental habits that make conflict feel less overwhelming.
• AI can be a useful editing tool, but it shouldn’t replace developing your own communication skills.
• Children learn conflict patterns from their parents, including emotional regulation and relationship skills.
• Hostility and unpredictability are especially damaging for children in high-conflict homes.
• Teaching children flexible thinking, emotional regulation, moderate behavior, and self-reflection helps build lifelong resilience.
• Setting boundaries without meaningful consequences rarely changes high-conflict behavior.
• You’re not responsible for managing another person’s emotions—you are responsible for protecting your own peace.Chapter Highlights
00:00 – Introducing Bill Eddy and the BIFF Method
03:25 – How BIFF Was Created
07:13 – Common BIFF Mistakes and the “Three A’s”
09:56 – AI, Communication, and Building Your BIFF Muscle
16:53 – How High Conflict Affects Children
22:41 – Teaching Kids the Four Big Skills for Life
25:21 – Can High-Conflict People Change?
27:20 – Introducing SLIC: Setting Limits & Imposing Consequences
30:14 – Real Co-Parenting Boundary Examples
34:03 – How Family Court Has Changed Over Four Decades
38:05 – The Future of High-Conflict Family Court
40:14 – Where to Learn More About Bill EddyWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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44 min
The Emotional Divorce Most Parents Never Complete with Dr. Lee Baucom
Season 2, Episode 16
Show notes
What if the legal divorce is over—but the emotional relationship is still running the show?
In this episode, Sol sits down with relationship coach, therapist, author, and Save the Marriage podcast host Dr. Lee Baucom to explore why high-conflict dynamics often continue long after a marriage ends. Together, they unpack the hidden emotional systems that keep co-parents stuck in the same painful patterns and explain how lasting change can begin with just one person choosing to respond differently.
You’ll learn why reacting to your co-parent often reinforces conflict, how to reclaim your sense of agency even in difficult legal battles, what an “emotional divorce” really means, and why letting go of the need to control your ex can create a healthier future for both you and your children.
Whether you’re navigating a high-conflict co-parenting relationship or simply want to build healthier relationships going forward, this conversation offers practical insights and hope.
Learn more about Dr. Lee Baucom: http://SaveTheMarriage.com
Get the BestInterest Coparenting App: https://bestinterest.app/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/PB-SEy2dadY
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Keywords
High-conflict co-parenting, emotional divorce, family systems, co-parent communication, conflict resolution, emotional regulation, relationship dynamics, divorce recovery, family court, forgiveness, trust, parenting after divorce, personal responsibility, child wellbeing
Highlights
• Why divorce doesn’t end the relationship when you share children.
• The difference between reacting emotionally and responding from your values.
• How one parent can change the co-parenting dynamic—even if the other doesn’t.
• The three things you can actually control in a high-conflict relationship.
• Why trying to control your ex often keeps conflict alive.
• Understanding “emotional divorce” and why it matters.
• How resentment and disconnection fuel ongoing conflict.
• The difference between forgiveness, trust, apology, and reconciliation.
• What children need most during and after divorce.
• Practical ways to reduce regret and parent with integrity.Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:00 Meet Dr. Lee Baucom
04:45 Why Conflict Continues After Divorce
08:25 Responding vs. Reacting
12:10 Breaking People-Pleasing and Conflict Cycles
13:40 The Three Things You Can Control
15:34 BestInterest AI Co-Parenting App
15:58 Regaining Agency During High-Conflict Divorce
21:00 Family Systems and Emotional Patterns
28:35 Olive Branches, Forgiveness, and Moving Forward
31:00 Rebuilding Trust After Divorce
33:10 Helping Children Through Divorce
37:25 What Emotionally Healthy Co-Parents Do Differently
38:50 What Is an Emotional Divorce?
40:55 Final Advice for Parents Navigating Divorce
42:30 Where to Find Dr. Lee BaucomWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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35 min
Why So Many Adult Children Cut Off Their Parents (And How to Prevent It) with Catherine Hickem
Season 2, Episode 15
Show notes
Nearly one in four adult children are estranged from at least one parent—a trend that’s becoming increasingly common, yet rarely discussed.
In this episode of Coparenting Beyond Conflict, Sol sits down with parenting expert Catherine Hickem, founder of Parenting Adult Children Today and author of It’s Never Too Late to Be a Great Parent. Together they explore why parent-child relationships break down in adulthood, how divorce impacts family relationships across generations, and what parents can do now to build lasting trust with their children.
Whether you’re raising young children, navigating a divorce, or supporting an adult child through one, this conversation offers practical guidance for creating stronger family relationships that endure through life’s biggest transitions.
Learn more about Catherine Hickem: https://www.parentingadultchildrentoday.com/
Get Catherine's book, It’s Never Too Late to Be a Great Parent: https://www.amazon.com/Its-Never-Late-Great-Parent/dp/197179502X
Get the BestInterest Coparenting App: https://bestinterest.app/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/H8pqZswdibE
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Keywords
adult child estrangement, parent-child relationships, parenting adult children, divorce and adult children, family estrangement, co-parenting, high-conflict divorce, grandparents and divorce, family communication, healthy boundaries, unconditional love, relationship repair, emotional safety, parenting after divorce, family healing
Key Takeaways
• Why adult-child estrangement is becoming so common
• The parenting mistakes that unintentionally push adult children away
• How divorce affects relationships across multiple generations
• What adult children really need from their parents during a divorce
• How grandparents can provide support without making conflict worse
• Why honesty, curiosity, and respect matter more than taking sides
• The “Four Pillars” of healthy relationships with adult children
• How unconditional love creates lifelong trustChapter Highlights
00:00 Introduction
01:40 The growing epidemic of parent-child estrangement
04:10 The most common reasons adult children cut off parents
08:20 Catherine’s own divorce and what it taught her about parenting
11:55 What adult children need from their parents during divorce
14:55 How grandparents can best support a child going through divorce
19:20 When your adult child asks you to cut off their ex
25:05 The transition from parenting children to parenting adults
25:30 The Four Pillars of healthy relationships with adult children
31:55 How parents can become a safe harbor instead of a source of judgment
33:40 Where to learn more from Catherine HickemM5gKdwIx3CKTZIqTibki
What if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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31 min
How Dads Can Show Up Better After Divorce with Larry Hagner
Season 2, Episode 14
Show notes
What does it mean to be a “legendary” father—especially when you’re navigating divorce, co-parenting, and the daily pressures of work and life?
In this episode of Coparenting Beyond Conflict, Sol interviews Larry Hagner, host of the Dad Edge podcast and author of The Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood. Larry shares practical insights on what children truly need from their fathers: presence, emotional safety, and the willingness to repair after mistakes.
Larry explains why great parenting is a learnable skill, how staying together “for the kids” can sometimes do more harm than good, and why children often see us in a far more forgiving light than we see ourselves. He also offers concrete tools for becoming more present with your children, regulating your emotions during conflict, and communicating more effectively with both partners and co-parents.
Whether you’re a divorced dad carrying guilt, a parent struggling to stay calm under stress, or anyone who wants to create a more peaceful home, this conversation is full of compassionate and practical guidance.
Learn more about Larry Hagner and The Dad Edge: https://thedadedge.com/
Get Larry's book, The Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood: https://thedadedge.com/legendary-fatherhood-book
Get the BestInterest Coparenting App: https://bestinterest.app/
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/yY2JEqn0ses
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Keywords
legendary fatherhood, divorced dads, co-parenting, emotional regulation, presence, fatherhood skills, repair, psychological safety, parenting after divorce, conflict resolution, The Experience Cube, effective communication, parenting guilt, emotional safety, Dad Edge
Key Takeaways
• Children often see their parents more compassionately than parents see themselves.
• Great fatherhood is not innate—it is a skill that can be learned and strengthened.
• Repair after mistakes is one of the most important ways to build trust with children.
• Staying together “for the kids” is not always healthiest if the relationship is toxic.
• Kids spell love as T-I-M-E.
• Presence can be cultivated by fully engaging your senses in the moment.
• Conflict improves when you focus on what you want, rather than what you don’t want.
• Unspoken expectations are a major source of resentment.
• A peaceful home environment supports both parents and children.
• The quality of your life depends on the quality of the questions you ask yourself.Chapter Highlights
00:00 – Introducing Larry Hagner and Legendary Fatherhood
01:11 – Why Your Kids See You Better Than You See Yourself
04:47 – Should Parents Stay Together for the Kids?
07:45 – Fatherhood as a Learnable Skill
11:39 – The Power of Repair
13:20 – Work Stress and Being Present with Your Kids
19:19 – Navigating Conflict and Emotional Triggers
21:57 – The Experience Cube Communication Tool
26:41 – Why Speaking Up Matters
27:04 – Creating Psychological Safety for Kids
27:58 – One Message for Parents Feeling Defeated
29:08 – Where to Find Larry HagnerWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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37 min
How to Divorce Without Going to Court with Amanda Singer
Season 2, Episode 13
Show notes
What if divorce didn’t have to mean years of litigation, mounting legal fees, and a judge deciding your family’s future?
In this episode of Coparenting Beyond Conflict, Sol speaks with Amanda Singer, a family law mediator and attorney who has spent more than 13 years helping couples resolve divorce and custody issues outside of court.
Amanda explains how mediation offers families a more collaborative and cost-effective path through separation. Rather than battling through attorneys, couples work with a neutral professional to create agreements around parenting plans, support, and property division while staying in control of the outcome.
They discuss what makes mediation successful, how therapists can improve outcomes, how to handle high-conflict personalities, and why parenting agreements should include a framework for future changes. Amanda also shares insights into premarital mediation and how prenuptial agreements can strengthen relationships before marriage.
Whether you’re facing divorce, navigating a challenging co-parenting relationship, or planning a future marriage, this conversation offers practical tools for reducing conflict and making thoughtful decisions.
Learn more about Amanda Singer and West Coast Family Mediation: https://westcoastfamilymediation.com/
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Keywords
family mediation, divorce mediation, co-parenting, parenting plans, family law, child custody, high-conflict divorce, conflict resolution, alternative dispute resolution, prenup, premarital mediation, child support, spousal support, blended families, bonus parents, divorce without court, custody agreements, emotional regulation, therapy and divorce, California mediationTakeaways
• Conflict is normal, but how you handle it determines whether your family can move forward.
• Mediation allows parents to stay in control instead of leaving decisions to a judge.
• Couples do not need to agree on everything to benefit from mediation; they only need a shared commitment to work things out.
• Therapy can help parents regulate emotions and communicate more effectively during mediation.
• Parenting plans should include a process for revisiting decisions as children grow.
• Common future issues include screen time, social media, driving, and introducing new partners.
• Mediators can help balance power when one parent is more dominant or controlling.
• Blended family mediation can help bonus parents become part of the solution.
• Premarital mediation gives couples a collaborative way to create prenuptial agreements.
• Getting support early can prevent conflict from escalating.Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Amanda Singer
02:06 Why Conflict Is Normal
04:17 What Mediation Really Looks Like
07:24 Who Is a Good Fit for Mediation?
09:28 How to Convince a Reluctant Co-Parent
11:06 Returning to Mediation as Children Grow
12:46 What Parenting Plans Often Miss
15:25 Managing Power Imbalances
17:14 Navigating High-Conflict Dynamics
19:00 Blended Families and Bonus Parents
23:03 Why Therapy Helps Mediation
27:39 Premarital Mediation and Prenups
31:58 Lightning Round Insights
35:08 One Final Piece of AdviceWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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44 min
Fighting to Stay a Father in Family Court with Derek Salyers
Season 2, Episode 12
Show notes
A high-conflict custody battle can make even the most devoted parent feel powerless. In this episode, Derek Salyers shares the deeply personal story of fighting for shared parenting after being falsely accused, cut off from his son for months, and pulled into a years-long family court battle.
Derek opens up about the mental health toll many fathers silently carry, the realities of parallel parenting, and why he believes the family court system still struggles with bias. He also shares how AI tools like ChatGPT helped him navigate legal documents, parenting plans, communication, and court preparation during one of the hardest periods of his life.
This episode contains discussion of suicide and mental health struggles. Please listen with care.
Learn more about Derek Salyers and Fathers for Fair Custody: https://fathersforfaircustody.com
Get Derek’s book, The Forgotten Fathers on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CBN8M3XB
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Custody Journal (Free Documentation Tool): https://custodyjournal.com
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Keywords
high conflict custody battle, fathers rights, shared parenting, false accusations in family court, parallel parenting, fatherhood and divorce, custody battle mental health, AI for family court, right of first refusal, co-parenting communicationTakeaways
• Parallel Parenting Can Protect Peace: In some high-conflict situations, minimizing communication is healthier than forcing collaboration.
• AI Can Be a Powerful Tool: ChatGPT helped Derek understand legal language, prepare questions, structure communication, and think through parenting plans.
• Always Fact-Check AI: AI can hallucinate cases and legal information, making verification essential before using anything in court.
• Right of First Refusal Matters: Parenting plan clauses can significantly impact how much real parenting time each parent receives.
• Documentation Can Change Outcomes: Photos, videos, receipts, calendars, and journals can become critical evidence in custody disputes.
• Fathers’ Mental Health Needs Attention: Derek speaks openly about suicidal thoughts, isolation, and the emotional impact of losing contact with a child.
• You Can’t Control the Other Household: Peace often begins when parents stop trying to control what happens outside their parenting time.
• Growth Is Still Possible: Even in devastating circumstances, healing, self-reflection, and personal growth can emerge from the experience.Chapters
01:27 – From Divorce to Parallel Parenting
04:22 – How AI Helped Build a Parenting Plan
08:04 – False Allegations & Losing Contact With His Son
13:18 – The Story Behind The Forgotten Fathers
16:48 – Men’s Mental Health During Custody Battles
20:16 – Fighting for Shared Parenting Rights
27:57 – The Risks and Benefits of Using AI in Court
32:19 – The Biggest Lie Fathers Are Told About Custody
37:00 – Letting Go of Control in Co-Parenting
39:55 – Advice for Parents in the Darkest MomentsWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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29 min
Stop Saying “I’m Sorry”: Reclaiming Power After Divorce with Nicole Sodoma
Season 2, Episode 11
Show notes
Divorce is often framed as something you “win” or “lose”—but what if that mindset is exactly what keeps you stuck? In this episode, family law attorney and author Nicole Sodoma shares candid, hard-earned insights from both sides of the courtroom. After decades advising clients—and then going through her own divorce—Nicole reveals what actually matters when you’re navigating high-conflict co-parenting.
From why saying “I’m sorry” can be disempowering, to the realities of parallel parenting, to the small communication shifts that can completely change your dynamic, this conversation is grounded, practical, and refreshingly honest. If you’re feeling overwhelmed, stuck in conflict, or unsure how to move forward, this episode offers a clearer path.
Learn more about Nicole Sodoma: https://nicolesodoma.com
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Keywords
co-parenting, high conflict divorce, parallel parenting, family court reality, divorce attorney advice, co-parenting boundaries, communication strategies, conscious uncoupling, nesting after divorce, parenting plan challengesTakeaways
• You Don’t Win in Family Court: Even when you “win” an issue, it rarely feels like victory—and much is outside your control.
• Stop Saying “I’m Sorry”: Well-meaning language can reinforce a victim mindset and undermine your sense of agency.
• Parallel Parenting Is a Path, Not a Fix: It can reduce conflict, but it won’t eliminate disagreements—you still need systems for decision-making.
• Communication Is Everything: The structure, timing, and tone of how you communicate can either escalate conflict or create stability.
• Pick Your Priorities Early: Knowing what truly matters helps you avoid getting lost in battles driven by principle instead of purpose.
• You Can’t Change Your Ex: The only leverage you have is how you show up, communicate, and respond.
• Freedom and Grief Coexist: Emotional ups and downs are normal—and temporary—as you move through separation.Chapters
00:01 – Meet Nicole Sodoma
02:25 – How Divorce Changed Her Perspective
04:07 – Why “I’m Sorry” Can Be Harmful
05:27 – Nesting: When It Doesn’t Work
07:26 – Conscious Uncoupling: Reality Check
10:04 – Parallel Parenting Explained
11:57 – Boundaries That Protect You
14:28 – Structuring Communication
17:49 – Handling Disagreements
18:47 – Picking Your Battles
21:21 – The Myth of “Winning”
24:52 – The Most Underrated Skill
26:54 – Final AdviceWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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45 min
Secrets of the Narcissist Mind with Tracy Malone
Season 2, Episode 10
Show notes
Are you co-parenting with someone who seems to change the rules, twist reality, and keep you constantly on edge? Divorce is hard enough—but when you’re dealing with manipulation, control, and emotional chaos, it can feel impossible to find your footing. In this episode, Tracy Malone, author and renowned narcissistic abuse recovery coach, breaks down exactly how to protect your peace, support your kids, and reclaim your power in a system that often feels stacked against you.
Learn more about Tracy Malone at: https://tracyamalone.com/ and https://narcissistabusesupport.com
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Other Resources Mentioned: Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway by Susan Jeffers: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0345487427
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Keywords
co-parenting with a narcissist, parallel parenting, high conflict divorce, narcissistic abuse recovery, co-parenting communication, parenting plan strategy, gaslighting and DARVO, emotional regulation for parents, supporting kids through divorce, family court strategiesTakeaways
• The Teflon Strategy: How to stop absorbing emotional attacks so they don’t derail your day—or your parenting.
• Parallel Parenting Reality Check: How to let go of control in the other household while staying grounded and consistent in your own.
• The Documentation Filter: What actually matters to track (and what will just drain your energy).
• The BIFF Response Method: How to reply to triggering messages without giving your ex ammunition.
• The Parenting Plan Power Move: How to build in protections now that save you years of stress (and thousands in legal fees) later.
• The Emotional Resilience Toolkit for Kids: How to help your children regulate, process, and stay grounded between two very different homes.Chapters
01:22 – The Wake-Up Call: When “Normal” Isn’t Actually Normal
04:31 – Parallel Parenting: Acceptance or Giving Up Control?
07:13 – The Escalation Phase: What to Expect Before (and During) Divorce
09:06 – Documentation Without Losing Your Sanity
10:46 – The Biggest Early Mistake Most Parents Make
11:27 – Post-Divorce Power Struggles: Money & Control
12:43 – Communication Traps: How They Bait You Into Losing Control
15:05 – The BIFF Method: Responding Without Fueling the Fire
16:00 – Regulating Yourself Before You Respond
17:26 – DARVO, Gaslighting & The Mind Games Explained
19:07 – Supporting Kids in Two Opposite Worlds
20:16 – Why Co-Parenting Can Feel Like an 18-Year Sentence
23:39 – The Parenting Plan That Saves You Years of Court
26:55 – Setting Boundaries Around Communication
27:57 – When Your Ex Lies to Your Kids: What Actually Helps
29:34 – Helping Kids Build Emotional Resilience
33:20 – Signs Your Child Needs Extra Support
36:51 – Peace Starts Here: Letting Go of the Fight
37:13 – A Narcissist’s Favorite Tool
37:28 – What the Legal System Gets Wrong
39:45 – One Thing You Can Do Today to Feel More Empowered
43:22 – Where to Find Tracy MaloneWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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44 min
How to Protect Your Peace in a High-Conflict Divorce with Karen Covy
Season 2, Episode 9
Show notes
Think family court will give you closure, fairness, or emotional justice? Think again.
If you’re walking into divorce expecting the system to make things right, you may be setting yourself up for more frustration, confusion, and costly mistakes. Karen Covy—attorney, divorce coach, and founder of Divorce Road Map—pulls back the curtain on what the legal system actually does (and what it doesn’t), and why so many people feel blindsided by the process. This conversation will help you shift from overwhelmed and reactive to clear, strategic, and in control—so you can protect your peace, your kids, and your future.Learn more about Karen Covy at: https://karencovy.com/
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Takeaways
• The CEO Shift: How to take full ownership of your divorce by building a plan, setting priorities, and leading your own “team” instead of relying solely on a lawyer.
• The 90% Blindspot: Why the legal system only handles a fraction of what matters—and how to proactively manage the emotional, financial, and parenting realities it ignores.
• The Process-First Strategy: How choosing your divorce approach (mediation, litigation, collaborative) before hiring a lawyer can dramatically change your outcome.
• The Board of Directors Model: How to assemble the right mix of professionals (coach, therapist, financial expert, etc.) to save money, reduce stress, and make better decisions.
• The Boundary Blueprint: How to set and enforce clear, realistic boundaries with a high-conflict ex—without escalating the situation.
• The Reality Reset: Why expecting fairness or emotional justice from court keeps you stuck—and what mindset actually leads to peace.Chapters
00:00 The Moment Everything Clicks: Why the Legal System Isn’t Enough
03:34 The Bottom-Up Revolution: Why Change Won’t Come from the Courts
05:58 The Costly Mistake Most People Make Before Hiring a Lawyer
06:58 Stuck in Limbo: How to Decide Whether to Divorce or Stay
07:53 The CEO of Your Divorce: Why No One Else Will Run This for You
10:17 The High-Conflict Reality Check: Stop Expecting a Peaceful Divorce
11:31 Your Divorce “Board of Directors”: Who You Actually Need on Your Team
15:20 Why Divorce Feels So Inefficient (and How to Stay Sane Anyway)
15:32 Overwhelm & Paralysis: How to Start When You Don’t Know What to Do
17:20 The Hidden Cost of Avoiding Conflict
19:12 Boundaries 101: Simple, Not Easy—and Why They Matter Now
22:01 When Your Ex Manipulates the Kids: What Actually Helps
27:00 Boundaries with an Ex: What Works (and What Doesn’t)
29:14 Communication That Doesn’t Backfire with High-Conflict Exes
31:01 Parenting Plans That Actually Hold Up in Real Life
34:20 Reducing Conflict Through Structure and Specificity
36:05 Decision Deadlocks: Who Gets the Final Say?
39:11 The Biggest Lie About Family Court
40:00 Peace Starts When You Stop Trying to Win
41:25 The Word Everyone Misunderstands in Divorce
41:56 Why Court Can’t Give You Justice
42:10 Final Advice: How to Get Through This Without Losing YourselfWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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34 min
Stop Saying Yes: How People-Pleasing Is Sabotaging Your Co-Parenting with Amy Ballantyne
Season 2, Episode 8
Show notes
Are you saying “yes” just to keep the peace—while quietly losing yourself in the process? If you feel trapped between avoiding conflict and honoring your own needs, you’re not alone. Amy Ballantyne, executive coach and host of Power to the People Pleasers, breaks down how people-pleasing patterns show up in co-parenting—and how to start setting boundaries without guilt, escalation, or self-abandonment.
Learn more about Amy Ballantyne at: https://www.amyballantyne.com/
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Other Resources Mentioned:
• Celebrate Yourself by Amy Ballantyne
• Power to the People Pleasers PodcastSubscribe to our newsletter to hear about new episodes and build community: https://bestinterest.app/subscribe-podcast/
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Keywords
people pleasing in relationships, co-parenting boundaries, high conflict co-parenting, setting boundaries with ex, self worth and boundaries, people pleaser recovery, communication skills co-parenting, conflict avoidance psychology, parenting after divorce, emotional intelligence parentingTakeaways
• The Approval Trap: How early conditioning drives people-pleasing—and shows up in co-parenting communication.
• The Boundary Reset: Identify your non-negotiables before the conversation so you don’t default to “yes.”
• The “No Without Drama” Method: Use simple, respectful language (even just “no”) without over-explaining.
• The Win-Win Lens: Shift from control to collaboration by finding outcomes that work for both parents and kids.
• The Self-Worth Link: Why stronger boundaries come from self-love—and how to start building it.
• The Pattern Breaker: What your child learns from your boundaries—and how to model healthier dynamics.Chapters
00:00 The People-Pleasing Trap
01:00 From Helper to Coach
02:00 The Approval Pattern in Co-Parenting
03:00 Where People Pleasing Begins
05:00 The Biggest Myth About People Pleasers
06:30 Why Saying No Feels So Hard
08:30 Boundaries vs. Self-Abandonment
10:00 Big Picture vs. Petty Fights
12:00 When Co-Parenting Feels Impossible
13:30 Setting Boundaries That Stick
15:00 How to Say No Without Escalating
17:00 What Kids Learn From Your Patterns
19:00 Teaching Boundaries to Your Child
22:00 The Link Between Self-Worth and Boundaries
23:30 A Simple Self-Love Practice
24:30 Handling Disrespect Without Losing Yourself
27:00 Lightning Round: Boundaries & Self-Respect
31:00 One Step to Start Changing TodayWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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42 min
Reclaim Your Authentic Self After Narcissistic Abuse with Dr. Kerry McAvoy, PhD
Season 2, Episode 7
Show notes
Why does your ex still live in your head—even after the relationship ends?
If you still feel triggered, controlled, or second-guessing yourself, you’re not alone—and you’re not stuck. Dr. Kerry McAvoy, psychologist and host of Breaking Free from Narcissistic Abuse, explains why toxic dynamics become an internal “echo”—and how to quiet it, reclaim your voice, and parent from a grounded, empowered place.Learn more about Dr. Kerry McAvoy, PhD at: https://kerrymcavoyphd.com/
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Other Resources Mentioned:
• The Empathy Gap: It’s Black and White by Tammy Triolo
• Breaking Free from Narcissistic Abuse PodcastSubscribe to our newsletter to hear about new episodes and build community: https://bestinterest.app/subscribe-podcast/
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Keywords
co-parenting, trauma recovery, narcissistic abuse, emotional health, boundaries, healing, self-love, family dynamicsTakeaways
• The “Internal Echo” Shift: How to recognize when your inner critic isn’t actually you—and the simple practice to start separating your voice from theirs.
• The Self-Protection Reframe: Why that hypervigilant voice in your head exists (it’s not weakness)—and how to calm it instead of fighting it.
• The Authentic Parent Reset: How to stop performing as the “perfect parent” and start showing up as your real, grounded self.
• The Courtroom Clarity Strategy: Why family court isn’t about proving abuse—and how understanding this reduces fear and reactivity.
• The Emotional Space Practice: How to support your child through a difficult co-parent without badmouthing—and actually build their resilience.
• The Conflict Detox Method: How to disengage from toxic communication patterns (without escalating things) and protect your peace.Chapters
00:00 The Hidden Aftermath: Why leaving the relationship doesn’t end the impact
01:00 When the Expert Becomes the Survivor: A psychologist’s personal story
03:30 The “Voice in Your Head” Explained: How toxic partners become internalized
07:30 Survival Mode vs. Empowerment: Why “victim” isn’t the full story
09:30 The Co-Parenting Trap: How fear keeps you stuck even after separation
11:30 The Courtroom Illusion: What family court actually cares about (and what it doesn’t)
13:00 From Reaction to Intention: How to parent from your values instead of fear
16:00 The “Where Are You in the Room?” Exercise (and what it reveals)
19:30 Why “Codependency” might be the wrong frame
22:00 Raising Resilient Kids Through Grief, Loss, and Emotional Truth
26:00 When Your Child Is Hurt by the Other Parent: What actually helps
30:00 The Communication Battlefield: Why toxic co-parents escalate conflict
32:00 How to Stop Feeding the Chaos (and take your power back)
35:00 Lightning Round: Boundaries, self-worth, and reclaiming your life
39:30 The One Question That Starts Your HealingWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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44 min
The Calm Anchor: Navigating the Storm of High-Conflict Divorce with Kirk Martin
Season 2, Episode 6
Show notes
Is your anxiety "dumping" all over your kids and fueling the conflict?
In this powerful episode, Kirk Martin of the Calm Parenting Podcast joins guest host Louise Love to reveal why your child's "defiance" is often a mirror of your own internal storm. You will walk away with a radical shift in perspective: moving from trying to control an uncooperative co-parent or a strong-willed child to becoming the "calm anchor" that leads your family to peace through your own self-regulation.
Learn more about Kirk Martin and the Calm Parenting Podcast at: https://celebratecalm.com/
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Keywords
calm parenting, high conflict coparenting, strong-willed child, divorce recovery, emotional regulation, blended family tips, stepparenting advice, de-escalation strategies, generational trauma, BestInterest appTakeaways
• The Humility Lead: How to use vulnerability and "sitting on the floor" to invite an apology from your child without ever demanding one.
• The "Throw a Bone" Bridge: A specific script to engage an immature or "stubborn" co-parent by focusing on the child's confusion rather than the parent's failings.
• The 3-Tradition Anchor: The strategy for creating consistency across two different homes using small, repeatable rituals (like snacks or bedtime stories) to lower a child’s transition anxiety.
• The 7-Minute Vent: Why you must give yourself a timed container to be "furious" at your ex so it stops seeping into your parenting in the form of "passive-aggressive arrows."
• The Validation Boundary: How to acknowledge your child's anger about the divorce ("Of course you're mad") while simultaneously holding a firm line on respectful behavior.
• The Stepparent Sounding Board: Why the "tread lightly" approach builds more authority and trust with teens than jumping in as a disciplinarian.Chapters
[01:07] The Son with Boxing Gloves: Why the "My Way or the Highway" approach fails with strong-willed kids.
[02:44] The Superhero Wake-Up Call: The heartbreaking moment Kirk realized his anxiety was crushing his son’s spirit.
[04:38] Building with Legos: Why humility is more powerful than authority in de-escalating a blow-up.
[09:23] The Two-Boss Analogy: Understanding the workplace-style stress kids feel when navigating conflicting household rules.
[10:55] Re-Entry Rituals: Using "treasure hunts" and fresh air to help kids transition back to your home.
[13:31] Managing the Control Freak: Why your professional success might be sabotaging your parenting and personal peace.
[18:21] Dealing with the "I Hate You" Phase: Validating the pain of divorce without losing your household boundaries.
[28:30] The "F-You" Response: Why stepparents must tread lightly to avoid being seen as intruders.
[33:48] Bracing for Puberty: Why the teenage years might actually be your favorite parenting season.
[39:21] The Lightning Round: Fast answers on the biggest lies in parenting and the true definition of a "strong-willed" child.What if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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36 min
Regulate Before You Respond: Somatic Strategies for High-Conflict Co-Parenting with Cherie Morris
Season 2, Episode 5
Show notes
In this conversation, Cherie Morris shares her journey from being an attorney to a coach specializing in co-parenting and conflict resolution. She emphasizes the importance of emotional regulation, somatic healing, and the need to slow down in high-conflict situations. Cherie discusses the significance of role modeling for children, setting boundaries, and the power of emotional validation. The conversation highlights practical steps for navigating co-parenting challenges and fostering a healthier environment for families.
Learn more about Cherie Morris at: https://deardivorcecoach.com/
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Keywords
co-parenting, emotional regulation, somatic healing, conflict resolution, communication, mindfulness, boundaries, parenting, self-care, personal growthTakeaways
• Cherie transitioned from law to coaching to help clients find joy beyond legal victories.
• Emotional regulation is crucial in high-conflict situations.
• Slowing down can prevent reactive responses and promote thoughtful communication.
• Somatic healing integrates mind and body for better emotional responses.
• Setting boundaries is essential for maintaining personal peace in co-parenting.
• Role modeling self-care teaches children to advocate for their own emotional needs.
• Responding thoughtfully is more effective than reacting impulsively.
• Emotional validation helps children process their feelings without alienating them from their other parent.
• Breaking the cycle of drama requires awareness and conscious choices.
• Taking care of ourselves enables us to better support our children.Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
02:02 Transition from Law to Coaching
04:06 The Importance of Slowing Down
06:15 Navigating High Conflict Co-Parenting
08:27 Understanding Somatic Healing
10:43 Grounding Techniques for Co-Parenting
12:54 Teaching Kids Emotional Regulation
15:10 Responding vs. Reacting to Children
18:15 Creating Emotional Independence
19:38 Setting Boundaries with Co-Parents
22:25 Avoiding the Drama and Power Struggles
24:00 Lightning Round: Quick Insights
32:26 Final Takeaways and Empowerment
What if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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35 min
Becoming Unbothered: An Energetic Strategy to Disarm the Narcissist with Denise Kavaliauskas
Season 2, Episode 4
Show notes
In this conversation, Denise Kavaliauskas shares her insights on navigating the complexities of divorce and co-parenting, emphasizing the importance of emotional healing, effective communication, and understanding the dynamics of high conflict situations. She discusses the pitfalls of the divorce industry, the significance of self-empowerment, and offers practical strategies for individuals facing challenging co-parenting scenarios. The discussion also touches on the concept of narcissism, the four pillars of healing, and the journey towards achieving an unbothered state amidst chaos.
Learn more about Denise Kavaliauskas at: https://winningyourdivorce.com/
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Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Mastery of Love by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://www.amazon.com/dp/1878424424
Divorce Corp - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REOuslPVZD4
Keywords
co-parenting, divorce, high conflict, communication, healing, narcissism, family law, empowerment, divorce coaching, emotional well-being
Takeaways
- Denise Kavaliauskas acts as a divorce coach, guiding clients through the divorce process.
- High conflict divorces often lead to ongoing litigation and emotional turmoil.
- The divorce industry can be exploitative, leading to unnecessary costs and trauma.
- Empowerment is key; individuals must recognize their own strength in the divorce process.
- Narcissism can complicate co-parenting, but understanding it can help in managing interactions.
- The four pillars of healing include forgiveness, truth, love, and trust.
- Effective communication is crucial in high conflict situations; writing can help clarify feelings.
- Achieving an unbothered state is possible through self-love and healing.
- Gaslighting is a common tactic in high conflict divorces; knowing your truth is essential.
- Finding peace is a journey, and it can be cultivated at any moment.Sound Bites
"Divorce is a scam."
"Let them be who they are."
"The past is practice."Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:01 What is a Divorce Doula?
02:03 Understanding High Conflict Divorces
07:05 The Divorce Industry: A Scam?
10:52 Empowerment Strategies for Co-Parents
15:14 The Four Pillars of Healing
16:31 The Importance of Forgiveness
19:33 Effective Communication Strategies
21:21 Cultivating Calmness and Confidence
22:18 Understanding the 'Unbothered' State
24:08 Dealing with Gaslighting and Manipulation
26:40 Embracing a New Relationship Dynamic
28:09 The Journey of Healing and Growth
30:23 The Importance of Presence in Parenting
31:41 Finding Peace in the Midst of Chaos
33:17 Actionable Steps to Cultivate CalmnessWhat if your co-parent’s toxic messages never even reached you? Thousands of parents are already finding peace with the BestInterest Coparenting App. As a listener, you can too. Claim 40% off an annual subscription here: https://bestinterest.app/beyond
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40 min
The Hidden Trauma of Family Court: A Mediator's Guide to Protecting Your Kids with Joe Dillon
Season 2, Episode 3
Show notes
In this conversation, Joe Dillon, a seasoned mediator, shares his journey into mediation, influenced by his childhood experiences with divorce. He emphasizes the importance of understanding children's perspectives during parental conflicts and the need for effective communication between parents. Joe discusses the role of mediation as a peaceful alternative to litigation, highlighting the emotional and financial challenges faced by families. He provides insights into the skills necessary for effective mediation and offers techniques for dealing with difficult personalities, particularly in high-conflict situations. The conversation concludes with a message of hope for parents navigating divorce, emphasizing that with support and understanding, they can create a positive environment for their children.
Learn more about Joe Dillon at: https://www.equitablemediation.com/
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Keywords
mediation, divorce, peacemaker, parenting, conflict resolution, emotional support, financial discussions, communication, co-parenting, family dynamics
Takeaways
- Joe's journey into mediation was influenced by his childhood experiences with divorce.
- Children are highly perceptive and aware of parental conflicts, even if they can't articulate it.
- It's crucial for parents to keep their conflicts away from their children to protect their emotional well-being.
- Mediation offers a peaceful alternative to litigation, focusing on collaboration rather than conflict.
- Parents often struggle with reluctance to mediate due to fear and emotional challenges.
- Financial realities play a significant role in divorce, and both parties need to be supported.
- Mediation can help alleviate fears and provide a clearer understanding of financial situations during divorce.
- Effective communication is key in mediation, especially when dealing with difficult personalities.
- Acknowledging and validating the other person's feelings can help facilitate resolution in conflicts.
- Education and resources empower individuals to navigate the complexities of divorce and co-parenting.Chapters
00:00 Navigating the Holiday Rush: A Mediator's Perspective
04:19 The Impact of High Conflict Divorces on Children
09:00 The Importance of a United Front for Parents
12:49 The Role of Mediation in Divorce
16:45 The Fear of the Unknown in Divorce
21:59 Navigating Financial Realities in Divorce
27:13 Mediation vs. Litigation: A Safer Path
29:11 Finding the Right Mediator
33:07 Techniques for Dealing with Difficult Personalities
37:45 Reassurance for Parents Facing Divorce
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31 min
How to Drop the Narcissist: Why Labels Keep You Stuck with Teresa Luse
Season 2, Episode 2
Show notes
In this conversation, Teresa Luse shares her journey through co-parenting and the challenges of navigating relationships with ex-partners. She emphasizes the importance of self-reflection, empathy, and communication in fostering a healthier co-parenting dynamic. Teresa discusses the impact of labeling co-parents as narcissists and encourages listeners to focus on their own actions and responses. The conversation highlights the potential for healing and growth, even in difficult situations, and offers practical strategies for improving co-parenting relationships.
Learn more about Teresa Luse at: https://teresaluse.com/
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Keywords
co-parenting, narcissism, emotional intelligence, self-reflection, empathy, communication, family dynamics, healing, step-parenting, conflict resolution
Takeaways
• Co-parenting requires intention and focus on the child's best interest.
• Self-reflection is key to overcoming challenges in co-parenting.
• Empathy can diffuse hostility and foster better communication.
• Labeling a co-parent as a narcissist can hinder personal growth.
• Understanding emotional immaturity can help in navigating conflicts.
• Healing from past trauma is essential for effective co-parenting.
• Dropping the baggage from past relationships can lead to a fresh start.
• Using the golden rule can improve interactions with co-parents.
• Acknowledging shared goals can create common ground in co-parenting.
• There is always potential for improvement in co-parenting relationships.Chapters
00:00 Navigating Co-Parenting Challenges
04:03 Empowerment Through Self-Reflection
09:42 The Golden Rule in Co-Parenting
11:18 Understanding Emotional Immaturity
13:24 Defining Narcissism vs. Narcissistic Behavior
16:51 Healing from Past Trauma
19:41 Dropping the Baggage
23:38 Using Empathy to Foster Cooperation
26:23 Finding Positives in Co-Parenting
28:36 Words of Hope and Future Possibilities
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