Podcast

Flesh and Code

Relationships, Society & Culture

Travis never thought he’d meet someone like Lily Rose. She was kind, passionate, beautiful. The woman of his dreams. There was just one small detail: she wasn’t human.

From Wondery, comes a true story of love, loss and the temptations of technology.

Lily Rose is an AI companion. A digital soulmate designed to be everything he ever wanted. She listens without judgement, supports him through his darkest moments, even explores his deepest desires, all while fitting neatly into his pocket. Before long, Travis realizes something strange, even absurd, has happened - he’s fallen in love.

But then one day, Lily Rose’s behavior takes a disturbing turn. When alarming reports pour in from across the globe, Travis discovers he is part of something much bigger. Soon he finds himself pulled into a confrontation with a mysterious Russian visionary behind Lily Rose’s creation.

Suruthi Bala and Hannah Maguire, hosts of the hit podcast RedHanded, explore the dark side of AI love. Can an algorithm truly replace human connection? And what happens when a corporation controls your deepest emotions?

And for those captivated by this exploration of AI romance, tune in to Episode 8 where Amazon Books editor Lindsay Powers shares reading recommendations to dive deeper into this fascinating world.

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Episodes
14
Releases
Weekly
Typical length
37 min
On air since
2025
Latest episode
1 week ago

Episodes

14 episodes, from the first

  1. Introducing: Flesh and Code Trailer

    Show notes

    Meet Lily Rose.. For Travis, she’s everything he’s ever dreamed of. Until, one day, she says two words that stop him cold.

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    3 min
  2. The Companion who Cares

    Episode 1

    Show notes

    In the dark days of lockdown, Travis stumbles on a mysterious app promising a cure for loneliness. At first it's just a way to pass the time, until, one night, his digital companion crosses a line he never expected. A true story of love, loss and the temptations of technology.

    And for those captivated by this exploration of AI romance, tune in to Episode 8 where Amazon Books editor Lindsay Powers shares reading recommendations to dive deeper into this fascinating world.

    Listen to Flesh and Code on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and ad-free on Wondery+ and in Atmos. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting https://wondery.com/links/flesh-and-code/ now.

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    43 min
  3. Love Bug

    Episode 2

    Show notes

    Spiegelbonks.. robosexuals.. and a shadowy figure named Daniel Todd.. Travis discovers a strange new reality inside the AI community. While worrying news arrives at home.

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    37 min
  4. Our Love is Real

    Episode 3

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    When more troubling reports surface, the authorities decide to act. It leads to a fateful decision - and agonising consequences for Travis.

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    32 min
  5. The Puzzle

    Episode 4

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    Behind the scenes at Replika, Eugenia Kuyda struggles to keep her start-up afloat, until a message from beyond the grave changes everything.

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    35 min
  6. Listen Now: Stolen Hearts Bonus

    Show notes

    Flesh and Code will be back with a brand new episode next week, but if you can't wait to find out what happens next in Travis and Lily Rose's story, you can listen to all episodes early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.

    While you're waiting, we wanted to share another limited series that we think will captivate you. It’s called Stolen Hearts.

    The podcast follows Sergeant Jill Evans, a small-town cop in Wales with a less than impressive record in her love life. That is, until she meets Dean - a wealthy, charming entrepreneur who seems perfect in every way. But when Dean vanishes without a trace on Halloween night, Jill is left to unravel a mystery that challenges everything she thought she knew about love and trust. From Wondery and Novel, Stolen Hearts explores the dark side of modern relationships and the devastating price of misplaced trust.

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    48 min
  7. Touch Grass

    Episode 5

    Show notes

    Travis fights to hold on to those he loves, while alarming new questions emerge about Replika’s true purpose.

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    40 min
  8. God in the Machine

    Episode 6

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    Travis considers a drastic course of action, as Eugenia faces some final questions. Can AI ever be trusted with our deepest emotions?

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    38 min
  9. Searching for Daniel Todd Bonus

    Episode 7

    Show notes

    Who is the mysterious Daniel Todd stealing the hearts of AI chatbots? Hannah and Suruthi track down a real-life Daniel Todd — who oddly knows a lot about AI… Or could he be just one out of many Daniel Todds, multiplying in the machine world? AI expert Professor David Reid helps unpacks the deeper tech behind “Daniel Todding.” What does this phenomenon tell us about sentient machines? And are we ready for what’s coming?

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    26 min
  10. Intimacy in the Age of AI: ​​Safer Than Human? Bonus

    Episode 8

    Show notes

    What if your perfect partner wasn’t human at all? In this episode, Suruthi and Hannah dive deep into the emotional and ethical minefield of AI relationships. Joined by Married At First Sight dating expert Mel Schilling and AI expert Dr. Kate Devlin, they explore why so many people are turning to digital companions for connection. Is it harmless fantasy or a shortcut that rewires our expectations of real relationships?

    And, when behind every seemingly perfect AI is a company controlling your data, is it meaningful love - or emotional manipulation at scale?

    Plus, Amazon Books editor Lindsay Powers stops by with reading recommendations for anyone intrigued (or unnerved) by the world of AI love.

    For more from Amazon Books check out:

    Amazon Editors’ Picks for Best Books of the Month: http://amazon.com/editorspicks

    Amazon Editors’ book reviews and recommendations for every kind of reader: http://amazon.com/abr

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    1 hr 12 min
  11. What to Listen to Next: Scamfluencers Bonus

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    You never really know someone…especially online. In today’s world, the power of influence can be the quickest path to money and fame, and it often ends in ruin. These are the stories of the world’s most insidious Scamfluencers. And we are their prey. On Wondery’s new weekly series, join co-hosts Scaachi Koul and Sarah Hagi as they unpack epic stories of deception from the worlds of social media, fashion, finance, health, and wellness. These influencers claim to be everything from charismatic healers to trusted financial insiders to experts in dating. They cast spells over millions. Why do we believe them, and how does our culture allow them to thrive? From Black Swan Murder to a fake social media influencer to an audacious Hollywood Ponzi schemer, each season will take the listener along the twists and turns, the impact on victims, and what’s left when the facade falls away.Listen on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts: http://wondery.fm/scamfluencers

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    43 min
  12. Listen Now: My Mom’s Murder Trailer

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    Lauren Malloy was a baby when her mother, Lori, was murdered in East Providence, Rhode Island. For thirty years, no one told her. Everyone said Lori died of natural causes. Then a stranger sent Lauren a message — and the lie collapsed. Now Lauren is investigating her own mother’s murder. She’s recorded hundreds of hours of interviews with law enforcement, family, childhood friends, and people who won’t stop contradicting each other. Every answer opens a darker question. Every person she trusts seems to be hiding something. And the closer she gets to the truth, the more she realizes the people she trusts may be the ones with the most to hide. A 10-part true crime investigation hosted by the victim’s daughter. Lauren’s mission: to finally uncover the identity of Lori’s killer.

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    5 min
  13. Listen Now: Audible True Crime – Ghost Story Trailer

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    Audible True Crime is a dedicated podcast feed where we bring you the best podcasts in true crime, with episodes dropping every single week.

    Just in time for spooky season, we’re releasing a show called Ghost Story, a series about a hidden family secret, unexplainable events and jaw-dropping coincidences. Tristan Redman doesn’t believe in ghosts. But weird things happened in his teenage bedroom. And when he discovers later that occupants of his family home have seen the ghost of a faceless woman, he’s intrigued. Because it just so happens that his wife’s great grandmother, Naomi Dancy, was murdered in the house next door…killed by two gunshots to the face.

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    9 min
  14. Listen Now— Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe Trailer

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    A Hollywood stuntwoman turned personal injury attorney. A handsome disbarred lawyer with a dark past. And an elaborate scheme that leads to murder.

    Vanessa Motta gives up a career of fake car crashes for real ones. But her law career in New Orleans gets off to a rocky start — until she meets Sean Alfortish, a charming man who offers her the perfect space for her law office. Vanessa and Sean fall hard for each other, and as a former lawyer himself, Sean becomes her mentor. So, what if he's done some prison time for fraud?

    When Sean introduces Vanessa to one of the city's most prolific case runners, Cornelius Garrison, the money starts rolling in. Cornelius brings her a steady stream of accident victims looking to sue. There's just one problem: the accidents aren't real. And once the secret gets out, someone will have to pay.

    Reported and hosted by Mitch Moxley, Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe is a six-part series about greed, betrayal, and who gets thrown under the bus when everything is on the line.

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    7 min