Podcast

Marketing Against The Grain

Business, Entrepreneurship, Marketing

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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Episodes
472
Releases
Twice a week
Typical length
30 min
On air since
2022
Latest episode
21 hours ago

Episodes

472 episodes, newest first

  1. I Automated 90% of My Content Creation with Claude (Copy My System)

    Season 1, Episode 466

    Show notes

    Copy an AI Expert’s Claude Content Factory: https://clickhubspot.com/khgo

    Ep. 466

    The latest Claude models are even better than you think!

    Kieran and guest Saj Adib (CEO at Skill Leap AI) dive intodive into the jaw-dropping power and accessibility of the latest AI models and what most people are missing about their true capabilities. Learn more on how anyone can leverage tools like Claude and local models to build custom productivity apps, the power of live dashboards and proactive agents for business automation, and why approaching AI with creativity—not just business utility—can take your work and personal projects to a whole new level.

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    Saj Adib http://linkedin.com/in/sajadib

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    Skill Leap AI https://skillleap.futurepedia.io/

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    Futurepedia 2.0 https://www.futurepedia.io/

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    Lovable https://lovable.dev/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

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    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    30 min
  2. We’ve Spent 20+ Years in Marketing. Here’s What We Learned

    Season 1, Episode 465

    Show notes

    Kipp & Kieran's 6 marketing lessons (that actually matter): https://clickhubspot.com/wrlg

    Ep. 465

    What actually matters in marketing today?

    Kipp and Kieran dive into the timeless lessons from classic marketing books and explore how strategies from decades ago are more relevant than ever in today’s landscape. Learn more on why verisimilitude (the appearance of truth) is the cornerstone of copy that sells, the importance of drawing inspiration from outside your industry for true originality, and why building the right audience—and making work that’s remarkable, not mediocre—will always beat chasing the latest trending tactics.

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Direct Mail Copy that Sells https://a.co/d/03Q1FsbX

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    The Art of Scientific Investigation https://a.co/d/0b06vEBT

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    Reality in Advertising https://a.co/d/0jbp4k5o

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    Tribes https://a.co/d/00qK62do

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    How to Win Friends and Influence People https://a.co/d/0deaaQoR

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    Obvious Adams https://a.co/d/0aOVCpdg

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    Scientific Advertising https://a.co/d/0eEV7GgY

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

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    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    28 min
  3. You're Not Behind Yet: Learn 97% of Claude (From an AI Expert)

    Season 1, Episode 464

    Show notes

    Framework + 6 Prompts to use Claude like an AI Expert: https://clickhubspot.com/bpsv

    Ep. 464

    Is 95% of today’s writing influenced by AI?

    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Ruben Hassid (author of “How to AI” and founder of GPC) dive into how AI is transforming marketing, the future of software, and why human connection still matters more than ever. Learn more on how to master Claude with must-have settings, why writing is thinking (and why that matters in an AI world), and how the next era of enterprise marketing will blend invisible technology with personal connection for real business growth.

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    Ruben Hassid https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruben-hassid/?isSelfProfile=false

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    GPC https://www.gpc.consulting/

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    How To AI https://ruben.substack.com/

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    Grok https://grok.com/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    39 min
  4. How Marketers Can Get Rich Building Tiny Software Businesses

    Season 1, Episode 463

    Show notes

    Build your own AI Business in 3 Hours with < $500: https://clickhubspot.com/jgwf

    Ep. 463

    There's never been a better time for marketers to become millionaires through a simple, actionable formula.

    Kieran dives into how a new generation of marketers can leverage AI, microbehaviors, and rapid prototyping to build and grow profitable businesses. Learn more on the 5-step microbehavior business formula, real-world examples of niche SaaS making $10K+ MRR, and why marketing and distribution—not building—are the new competitive moat in the AI era.

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Launch Fast https://launchfastlegacyx.com/

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    Cursor https://cursor.com/

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    Legacy X http://legacyxfba.com/

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    1,000 True Fans https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    16 min
  5. The Marketing Teams Of 2027 Will Look VERY Different...

    Season 1, Episode 462

    Show notes

    Get our playbook to redesign your marketing team for the AI era: https://clickhubspot.com/qwfl

    Ep. 462

    How different will your marketing team be in the age of AI?

    Kieran dives into how the evolution of marketing teams is being shaped by AI—and why your next hires may look nothing like yesterday’s marketers. Learn more on why every team needs a growth producer to create entertaining content that drives awareness, the game-changing role of an internet comedian to make your product shareable, and the tactical power of a creator dealmaker to turn creators into your greatest advocates.

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Ramp https://ramp.com/

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    Alexandr Wang http://linkedin.com/in/alexandrwang

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    Muse https://ai.meta.com/muse/

    Resource

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    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    18 min
  6. Marketing Experts Turn GrokBot Into an AI Content Team

    Season 1, Episode 461

    Show notes

    Build a Grok Bot content team w/ these 5 agent prompts + templates: https://clickhubspot.com/lwhf

    Ep. 461

    Can Grok Bot really build your whole content team in minutes?

    Kieran dives into how to harness Grok Bot and powerful AI tools to automate content creation, from idea generation to drafting, for any platform. Learn more on automating content team structures, leveraging Monit for unlimited API access, and optimizing AI models for each step of your content process.

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Grok Bot http://x.ai/news/introducing-grok-bot

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    Codex https://openai.com/codex/

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    Opus 5.5 https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    18 min
  7. How to Turn Instagram Into a Sales Machine With Muse AI

    Season 1, Episode 460

    Show notes

    Free guide to automate your Instagram marketing with Muse AI: https://clickhubspot.com/dlvm

    Ep. 460

    “You don’t have a reach problem, you have a repeatability problem.”

    Kipp dives into why Meta’s new Muse assistant is the game-changing marketing tool you’re not using to grow your audience and drive revenue from Instagram. Learn more on unlocking deep audience intelligence, turning post engagement into sales opportunities, and building a magical marketing workflow that connects your content directly to customers.

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Meta’s Muse https://ai.meta.com/muse/

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    Grok Bot http://x.ai/news/introducing-grok-bot

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    Nano Banana https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/

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    Apollo http://apollo.io/

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    Sabrina Ramonov Marketing Against the Grain episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OS4m5Kajt0

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    18 min
  8. We Tested What AI Personal Assistants Can Actually Do

    Season 1, Episode 459

    Show notes

    Free guide: how to get AI to recommend your business https://clickhubspot.com/pwcl

    Ep 459

    Is your next website visitor an AI agent with a credit card?

    Kipp and Kieran dive into the explosive rise of personal AI agents and how they're making traditional marketing strategies obsolete. Learn more on how AI agents like Muse, Instinct, and Grokbot are changing the buying process, why marketers must adapt for a world where agents—not humans—are the main customers, and what new marketing strategies you need to stay ahead in the age of delegation.

    Mentions

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Meta’s Muse https://ai.meta.com/muse/

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    Instinct https://instinct.com/

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    Grok Bot http://x.ai/news/introducing-grok-bot

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    36 min
  9. HubSpot Execs: What Marketing Teams Look Like in 2027

    Season 1, Episode 458

    Show notes

    Get our free playbook to redesign your marketing team in 2027: https://clickhubspot.com/svoh

    Ep. 458

    Did you know that despite all the noise about shrinking marketing teams, data shows the proportion of marketing roles hasn’t really changed?

    Kipp and Kieran dive into the future of marketing teams, why the shape—not the size—of your team is what really matters, and how you can thrive in the new landscape. Learn more on why marketing roles aren’t disappearing, how AI is reshaping teams (not replacing them), and why pod models and zero-to-one marketers are key to the next wave of marketing success.

    Mentions

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/

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    Codex https://openai.com/codex/

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    Opus 5.5 https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    31 min
  10. Train Your AI to Write Like a Human With Just 3 Files

    Season 1, Episode 457

    Show notes

    Free: make AI content sound like you (Prompts + 3 Files) https://clickhubspot.com/ilhf

    Ep. 457

    AI is now a pretty good content creator—and that’s actually a problem.

    Kieran dives into why today’s wave of AI-generated content is flooding the internet with sameness, and what marketers can do to stand out from the noise. Learn more on building your own Creative Context OS in just three files, how to teach AI your unique perspective and taste, and the critical difference between content that’s truly “you” versus commodity work everyone else is churning out.

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Nicolas Cole, Commodity Content https://artandbiz.substack.com/p/the-right-way-to-write-with-ai

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    Codex https://openai.com/codex/

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    Dharmesh Shah http://linkedin.com/in/dharmesh

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    Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind https://a.co/d/08UXJ6E1

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    30 min
  11. How to Build an AI Marketing Team That Runs Itself (Live Demo)

    Season 1, Episode 456

    Show notes

    (Free) Build your first marketing AI agent: https://clickhubspot.com/lwkf

    Ep. 456

    Is the CMO role dead in the age of AI-driven marketing?

    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Cody Schneider (Cofounder of Graphed.com) dive into how AI agents are transforming the marketing landscape, slashing the cost of creative production, and reshaping marketing teams. Learn more on scaling content with AI agents, automating paid and organic campaigns, and how the new world of “marketing engineering” is making one person as effective as a team of twenty.

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    Cody Schneider https://www.youtube.com/@codyschneiderx

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    Graphed https://www.graphed.com/

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    DaVinci Resolve https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    30 min
  12. Give Us 30 Minutes & We’ll Fix Your Marketing for 2027

    Season 1, Episode 455

    Show notes

    Build a taste profile that makes your AI output sound like you: https://clickhubspot.com/iflm

    Ep 455

    Did you know HubSpot lost 140 million visits in a year but still increased demand generation by 20%?

    Kipp and Kieran dive into why the old rules of marketing no longer work—and what new playbooks you need to win in the AI era, at HubSpot’s Unbound. Learn more on building a living taste profile, leveraging AI for relentless content creation, optimizing paid ads through creative experimentation, and turning rapid learning into your team's ultimate advantage.

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    Unbound https://unbound.hubspot.com/

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    Yamini Rangan https://www.linkedin.com/in/yaminirangan/

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    Meta Advantage+ https://www.facebook.com/business/ads/meta-advantage-plus

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    27 min
  13. Zero-Click Marketing: How to Win When Google Stops Sending Traffic

    Season 1, Episode 454

    Show notes

    Free: 15 prompts to keep your brand visible in search https://clickhubspot.com/ikub

    Ep. 454

    Did you know that today, 68% of all Google searches end without a single click?

    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Amanda Natividad (founder of Zero Click Marketing, and co-author of the forthcoming book, Zero Click Marketing) dive into the era of zero-click marketing, covering how search behavior is changing, what it means for your company’s growth, and what you must do to thrive. Learn more on evolving beyond Google to meet your audience where they are, rethinking the purpose of SEO in a diversified search landscape, and building lasting value by focusing on the right audience—not just more traffic.

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    Amanda Natividad https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandanat/

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    Zero Click Marketing https://zeroclickmarketing.co/

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    Zero Click Marketing (book) https://www.damngravity.com/products/zero-click-marketing

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    SparkToro https://sparktoro.com/

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

    Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt

    Resource

    •

    [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip

    We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed

    YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/@matgpod

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marketingatg

    Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain!

    Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934

    We really appreciate your support.

    Host Links:

    Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar

    Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat

    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    34 min
  14. Dharmesh Shah: “The New AI Era Will Create Millions of One-Person Businesses

    Season 1, Episode 453

    Show notes

    [Free guide] build your second brain with AI: https://clickhubspot.com/efeg

    To get started with YouSpot, go to https://youspot.com/pricing/pro?promo=BRAINTHEGRAIN You'll then see the coupon code automatically applied on checkout.

    Ep. 453

    Did you know that 86% of all new companies started aren’t expected to hire any employees?

    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Dharmesh Shah (Founder of HubSpot) dive into the rapidly growing world of one-person businesses and how AI is fueling a new wave of solopreneurs. Learn more on the evolution of the "second brain" for entrepreneurs, how agentic AI harnesses are changing the game, and why rethinking CRMs for solo operators is unlocking new levels of productivity.

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    42 min
  15. I Spend $400K/Day on Meta Ads. Here's What's Working Right Now

    Season 1, Episode 452

    Show notes

    Free Meta Ad Creative Prompt Pack: https://clickhubspot.com/prgl

    Ep. 452

    Could your company grow to $20M in revenue in just 20 months by focusing 80% of your ad budget on a single channel?

    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Danny Yeung (CEO and co-founder of IM8) dive into the marketing strategy behind the explosive growth of IM8 and how Meta became their powerhouse for customer acquisition. Learn more on how to master Meta’s platform with creative-first tactics, build a high-performing marketing team for rapid scale, and leverage offline strategies to make your brand unforgettable.

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    Allianz https://www.allianzlife.com/

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    Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing-book

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    33 min
  16. Is the CMO Role About to Disappear Forever?

    Season 1, Episode 451

    Show notes

    Build your AI marketing department with this Claude skill: ⁠https://clickhubspot.com/rlcb⁠

    Ep. 451

    Is the CMO role dying?

    Kipp and Kieran dive into why marketing’s highest seat is under pressure and what founders and marketers should do about it. Learn more on why the expectations for marketing leaders are higher than ever, how the evolution of marketing skills and AI are shaping the talent pipeline, and what strategies companies can use when they can’t find the perfect head of marketing.

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    35 min
  17. I Built a $120K/yr Social Media Funnel w/Claude (Full Demo)

    Season 1, Episode 450

    Show notes

    Turn social comments into leads with Claude + Blotato: https://clickhubspot.com/rkhv

    Ep. 450

    How can one Reel drive $120,000 in annual recurring revenue for your business?

    Kipp, and guest Sabrina Ramonov of Blotato dive into how high-performing social content and automated DMs can be seamlessly converted into real revenue and loyal customers. Learn more on building viral social funnels, the power of DM automation for lead capture and monetization, and why treating short-form video as advertising for your long-form brand is the ultimate growth strategy.

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    Claude https://claude.ai/

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    ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/

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    39 min
  18. How I Turned Codex Into My Personal Research Assistant (Matt Wolfe)

    Season 1, Episode 449

    Show notes

    *Build your AI Research Desk in Codex:* https://clickhubspot.com/inyh

    Ep. 449

    Is informational content on the internet dead?

    Kipp, Kieran, and guest Matt Wolfe (Future Tools) dive into how you can reclaim hours each week by automating newsletter reading, brand mentions, and industry news updates with your own personal AI system. Learn more on building a custom info dashboard with AI agents, the future of media consumption and creator-business relationships, and how you can leverage open-source tools to create a second brain for your work and life.

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    Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/developers-tools/build-with-gemini-omni-1-1-flash/

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    Codex https://chatgpt.com/codex/

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    Obsidian https://obsidian.md/

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    34 min
  19. Claude vs. Human Marketer: Which Is Actually Better?

    Season 1, Episode 448

    Show notes

    Build your AI marketing department with this Claude skill: https://clickhubspot.com/uyon

    Ep. 448

    Can you really fire your entire marketing team and replace them with AI?

    Kieran dives into the reality behind agentic marketing systems by putting an AI-powered marketing “team” to the test for a fast-growth AI company. Learn more on how AI audits and rewrites website copy, tackles product positioning, competes in search and LLMs, and whether these emerging systems can actually outperform the average marketer or just generate average results.

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    Ramp https://ramp.com/

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    1Mind https://www.1mind.com/

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    23 min
  20. How to Stop AI from Killing Your Critical Thinking w/ David Epstein

    Show notes

    Get our anti-AI slop checklist: https://clickhubspot.com/lhug

    Ep. 447

    For most people, AI is making your marketing worse. For a select few, it's making it 10 times better.

    Kipp and guest David Epstein (author of Range (#1 NYT bestseller) and the new Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better (May 2026)) dive into why AI is creating a wave of “slop marketing” and what marketers can do to protect—and strengthen—their critical thinking in an age of automation. Learn more on proven frameworks for defining the right problems, the power of independent team thinking, and how cutting through complexity helps you deliver clear, remarkable marketing.

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    Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better https://a.co/d/0dSEv0R5

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    Nest https://home.nest.com/

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    Scite https://scite.ai/

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    ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    39 min