Podcast
Midlife Circus: Gen X Reinvention
Midlife isn't the end — it's the evolution. Hosted by Brent Drever and Rob Espenel, Midlife Circus is where real conversations meet reinvention. Like any good circus, midlife is part chaos, part wonder — a stage for learning new acts. From career changes and empty nests to money, relationships, health, and second-act adventures, Rob and Brent explore the unpredictable, messy, and meaningful middle of life with humor, honesty, and a touch of rebellion. It's a show for Gen X and anyone reinventing what comes next. Pull up a seat under the tent — and get ready to laugh, reflect, and rediscover what's possible in Your Next Great Act.
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- #166
- Episodes
- 41
- Releases
- Weekly
- Typical length
- 55 min
- On air since
- 2025
- Latest episode
- 3 weeks ago
Episodes
41 episodes, newest first
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49 min
10 Things We Got Completely Wrong About Midlife
Episode 40
Show notes
When Rob and Brent were 25, they were sure they'd have it all sorted by 50: the body, the diet, the friends, the whole point of it. This episode is a Letterman-style countdown of ten things they got completely wrong, from the belief that mac and cheese was a permanent food group to the assumption that leaving work would be the easy part. It's mostly a laugh at their own expense, but somewhere around the bottom of the list it turns into something real about drifting friendships, losing an identity built on work, and still not knowing what you actually want. If you're in midlife and quietly winging it, you're in good company.
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59 min
We Set 5 Big Summer Goals, Only Some Survived
Episode 39
Show notes
Three months ago, with plenty of open time ahead of them, Rob and Brent gave themselves five challenges for the summer, one for each ring of the Midlife Circus: finances, relationships, health, purpose, and adventure. This episode is where they find out how it actually went, and some of the results are nowhere near what either of them planned. Along the way there's an accidental diet science experiment, plus the particular comedy of watching real life quietly rearrange your best intentions. If you've ever started a stretch of time full of ambition and ended up somewhere completely different, this one will land, and probably make you feel better about your own list.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Visit Episode Website (https://midlifecircus.fm/episodes/episode-39-we-set-5-big-summer-goals-only-some-survived)
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1 hr
Losing a Parent: Sudden Loss and the Long Goodbye
Episode 38
Show notes
Somewhere in midlife, losing a parent stops being a distant idea and starts happening to people around you. It's one of the few certainties waiting for everyone, and it rarely arrives the way you expect. This episode sits with two very different versions of it: Brent's sudden loss of his father, a massive stroke that took him within 48 hours, and the slow decline of his mother twelve years later, seven months from a cancer diagnosis to her death. One came with no warning at all. The other came with a timeline. Rob and Brent talk through what each one asked of the family, from the roles siblings quietly fall into, to the humor that keeps everyone upright, to the grief that got buried for years before professional help finally surfaced it. They close on the conversations and the paperwork worth handling while your parents are still here.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• Everything Happens for a Reason and the Other Lies I've Loved by Kate BowlerTopics we are covering in this episode:
• The difference between sudden loss and a long terminal decline
• Why advance directives and a will are a gift to the people you leave behind
• The place of humor in getting a family through
• Burying grief versus seeking professional help
• Supporting the spouses and children who are grieving too
• The conversations to have with parents while they're still alive -
48 min
Sudden Money: How a Windfall Changes You and Everyone Around You
Episode 37
Show notes
At some point in midlife a financial windfall may show up: a business sale, an inheritance, a severance package, a bonus bigger than expected. Rob and Brent walk through what actually happens next, using the five rings of the Midlife Circus to look past the dollar amount at the parts nobody plans for. They get into how a windfall changes your relationships, why 75% of business owners regret selling within a year, the grief that can come attached to an inheritance, and the number one financial mistake that quietly drains it all away.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• Expected vs unexpected windfalls and why the difference matters
• How sudden money amplifies whatever was already there
• The money conversation to have with your spouse before it arrives
• When an inheritance brings grief instead of a gain
• How a financial windfall changes friends, family, and you
• Why 75% of business owners regret selling their company -
1 hr 4 min
Navigating Health Scares in Midlife: The Visible and the Invisible
Episode 36
Show notes
Health scares in midlife come in two forms: the visible ones you feel, like a back that goes out and won't recover, and the invisible ones you can't, like a cholesterol number that flags a problem you'd never have noticed on your own. In this episode, Brent and Rob each put a real one on the table. Brent walks through the lower back injury that sidelined him for three months and the month he wasted letting AI tell him what he wanted to hear. Rob shares his long history with elevated cholesterol, the heart testing that followed, and what his sports cardiologist actually told him about navigating it. It's a real look at how you respond when your body sends a signal, and why how you navigate it matters more than the scare itself. Plus a colonoscopy prep story that has to be heard to be believed.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• The difference between visible and invisible health scares
• A four-level framework for how people respond to a diagnosis
• Why relying on AI for self-diagnosis can make things worse
• The role of alternative therapy in injury recovery
• What heart and cardiovascular testing can reveal that you can't feel
• Balancing the things that keep you healthy against the things you love -
41 min
Connection, Health, and Renewal: A Midlife Adventure in Costa Rica
Episode 35
Show notes
This one is a field trip. Brent and Rob recorded it on location at Surf Synergy, a surf camp in Jacó, Costa Rica, where they brought their own families along with a group of friends and theirs, ages ranging from 3 to 55, for a week of surfing, yoga, and a lot of healthy eating. Recorded outside on a deck in the rainforest, the conversation explores the experiences of the week through the lens of the five rings of midlife: adventure, purpose, finance, relationships, and health. Rob makes the case for treating a trip like this as an investment rather than an expense, and both Brent and Rob get into what changed over a week when everyone disconnected from their lives back at home.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• Surf Synergy (https://www.surfsynergy.com/) — the all-inclusive surf and wellness retreat in Jacó, Costa Rica where this episode was recorded. Surf Synergy is offering Midlife Circus listeners 10% off with the code “circus” when you book your trip. Book by the end of August 2026; your trip can be scheduled for any available dates after that.Topics we are covering in this episode:
• Recording an episode outside in the rainforest between surf sessions
• Learning to surf in your 50s, and what five days in the water actually teaches you
• A reminder on the regenerative power of slowing down
• Reframing an expensive trip as an investment in your family
• A week of healthy meals where three-year-olds and fifty-year-olds ate together
• Cold plunges, breath work, and holding your breath longer than you thought you could
• What happens to a group when nobody picks up their phone for a week -
1 hr 2 min
The Stuff We Keep: Why Letting Go in Midlife Creates Room for What's Next
Episode 34
Show notes
Rob and Brent each did a room-by-room walkthrough of their own houses and came back with the evidence: a 90-year-old silk top hat, a custom motorcycle jacket from the Harley days, a bin of coaxial cables, gold-toed bowling shoes, and three corporate suits that have not been worn in years. In this episode they sort it all into three categories — the memories worth keeping, the expensive stuff held hostage by sunk cost, and the things that just need to go — and dig into the fear and identity underneath why we hang on. The point isn't minimalism. It's making room for the version of yourself you're becoming instead of storing the one you left behind.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• A room-by-room inventory of the stuff we keep
• The three categories: sentimental keepers, expensive maybe-somedays, and things to let go
• Why old suits and ties carry the fear of going back to work
• The sunk cost trap of expensive purchases
• How giving things away can feel better than keeping them
• Replacing old stuff with items that fit your future self -
1 hr 14 min
Acceptance as Strength: Recovery and Rebuilding with Musician Ezra Vancil
Episode 33
Show notes
Ezra Vancil got signed to a music label as a teenager and spent the years that followed living the life of a rock star. By 21 his label had dropped him with no plan B, and the next two decades were a collapse into addiction and isolation that nearly cost him his life more than once. The night he hit bottom at 40, he woke up on the kitchen floor to the realization that his life had to change. This conversation is the story of what happened next: how Ezra stopped running long enough to do the work of acceptance, and how that recovery became his next great act. During this episode, he picks up his mandolin and plays a brand-new song live, written with this conversation in mind.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• Follow Ezra Vancil - https://ezravancil.com/ (shop, book, vinyl, music), Instagram @ezravancil, search "Ezra Vancil" for his music on all streaming platformsTopics we are covering in this episode:
• Growing up in a traveling gospel band
• Getting signed to a record label as a teenager
• Twenty years of addiction and the slow collapse
• The kitchen-floor moment at 40 that changed everything
• Why Ezra calls acceptance a strength
• Walking away from a new record deal to choose family
• Making music with his daughter and building a business with his son -
52 min
5 Challenges We Got Ourselves Into
Episode 32
Show notes
Rob and Brent walked into this episode with no idea what the other was about to commit to. They each named 5 personal challenges for the next 90 days, one for every ring of midlife: finance, relationship, health, purpose, and adventure, and shared them live. The list includes losing twenty pounds, getting back to real planned date nights, joining a Friday golf group of strangers, learning to ride a unicycle, and tracking every meal for ninety days. A working definition of growth in midlife, with the receipts due at the end.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• The 5 rings of midlife as a framework for growth
• 10 personal challenges put on the record
• The case against the easy-button challenge
• A 90-day window for real growth in midlife
• The case for public commitments and accountability
• An invitation for listeners to pick their own challenges -
55 min
Launching a Creative Business in Midlife
Episode 31
Show notes
Almost everyone has a creative thing they've been thinking about for years but never started. Rob wants to shoot action videos. Brent wants to restore old cars. Other people have pottery, photography, or a book idea sitting in the back of their head. In this episode, Brent and Rob get specific about what it takes to move a creative hobby into a real business in midlife, including the three categories of creative work, a passion-product-marketplace framework, and why most creators undercharge themselves out of the gate. If you've got a creative idea you keep coming back to, this episode is where you find out what to actually do with it.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• Mountain Mud Ceramics (creative business mentioned)Topics we are covering in this episode:
• The difference between a creative hobby and a creative business
• Three categories of creative work: physical goods, creative content, and creative services
• How to apply passion, product, and marketplace as a starting framework
• Why most creators underprice themselves out of the gate
• Choosing the right platform without spreading across too many
• Starting small with a minimum viable product
• Playing the long game and resisting the comparison trap -
1 hr 12 min
A Guide to Earning Money as a Consultant in Midlife
Episode 30
Show notes
What does it actually take to start consulting in midlife? Rob and Brent go a layer deeper than their earlier conversation on earning income in your next chapter, breaking down the foundational work most people skip — purpose, product, and market — and the six practical steps to launch your own consulting, advisory, or coaching practice. Drawing from Brent's 20+ years as a consultant and Rob's recent experience building his advisory business, they cover billing rates, marketing, entity structure, and the core mindset shift that changes everything: you are the product.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• The mindset shift from employee to consultant
• The difference between consulting, coaching, and advisory work
• How to define purpose, product, and market
• Path selection — independent, platform, or consulting firm
• How to set billing rates and avoid underselling yourself
• Marketing materials and digital presence that actually work
• Why your first client matters more than the perfect setup -
59 min
Before You Retire: 5 Things We Wish We'd Done First
Episode 29
Show notes
What if retirement isn't really just a finance problem? Finance is the part most people plan for. It's the four others — relationships, health, purpose, and adventure — that quietly reshape everything. Rob and Brent walk through all five: test-driving your spending before the leap, inventorying the relationships that will and won't survive, building health habits while you still have structure, giving yourself room to find purpose again, and writing the adventure lists you've been putting off. The episode they wish someone had handed them before they walked out the door.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• Test-driving your retirement lifestyle before you leave
• Why work relationships disappear overnight
• Building health habits before the paycheck stops
• The identity shift and the case for a real break
• Why adventure lists are a transition plan in disguise
• Plan Z as the fallback that frees you up -
55 min
The Midlife Sabbatical: Taking a Career Break in Your 50s with Sarah Hager
Episode 28
Show notes
At 52, Sarah Hager stepped away from a 30-year corporate career to take a midlife sabbatical she never planned for. Rob and Brent sit down with Sarah to talk about the events that pushed her to walk away, what she learned in two years of travel, rest, and creative exploration, and how she eventually came back to work on her own terms. It's a grounded, honest look at what a midlife career break can actually look like — the emotional side, the financial bridge, and the quiet confidence that comes from finding yourself again.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• Sarah’s Etsy Shop – Hernage Creek DesignTopics we are covering in this episode:
• What prompted Sarah to step away from a 30-year career at 52
• The emotional side of taking a midlife sabbatical
• How to bridge the financial gap between working and full retirement
• Rediscovering yourself in the quiet after stepping away
• Unlocking creativity through a print-on-demand Etsy business -
59 min
Find Your Epic: Why Big Challenges Matter in Midlife
Episode 27
Show notes
What does it take to push past your own limits in midlife — and why does it matter? Brent and Rob unpack their own versions of Epic, from Rob’s 250-mile Cocodona race and his breakthrough at mile 170, to Brent’s 18-hour Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim and the clarity it brought during a hard season of life. Everybody’s Epic looks different. This one is about why taking on something hard — a race, a trip, a business, a book — might be exactly what this chapter of life is asking you to do.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• What “Epic” really means in midlife
• Why big challenges give you what ordinary life can’t
• Rob’s breakthrough at mile 170 of Cocodona
• The shift from accomplishment to meaning
• How community makes the hard things possible
• Travel, adventure, and learning to trust the guide
• Finding the version of Epic that fits your life -
56 min
No More Paycheck: How to Pay Yourself in Retirement
Episode 26
Show notes
What happens when the paycheck stops and you need to start funding life from what you’ve built? Brent and Rob explore the emotional and financial side of retirement distribution planning, including the 4% rule, bucket strategies, annuities, taxes, and the value of working with a professional to navigate the options.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• The emotional side of no longer receiving a paycheck
• How withdrawal planning works in retirement
• The pros and cons of the 4% rule, bucket strategy, and annuities
• Why professional guidance can matter in retirement planning
• How taxes and withdrawal timing can shape your retirement income -
52 min
Kids Leaving for College: Facing the Empty Nest
Episode 25
Show notes
What happens when the college drop-off is over and the house gets quiet? Rob and Brent talk honestly about kids leaving for college, the emotions that come with the empty nest, and how this transition can reshape family life, identity, and what comes next.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• The empty nest transition
• Kids leaving for college
• College drop-off and the emotions that follow
• Changing parent-child communication
• Family identity and shifting household rhythms -
42 min
Longevity Fundamentals with Dr. Dennis Lipton
Episode 24
Show notes
In this episode, Brent and Rob sit down with Dr. Dennis Lipton to break down the longevity fundamentals that matter in midlife. They cover the habits that compound over time—sleep, exercise, nutrition, metabolic health, and community—plus how to think about biomarkers and prevention without getting overwhelmed. It’s practical, grounded, and full of real-world perspective on how to stay strong, sharp, and independent for the long haul.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• Dr. Dennis Lipton (Website)Topics we are covering in this episode:
• Why longevity fundamentals matter in midlife
• How sleep supports long-term health and recovery
• How strength training helps preserve muscle and independence as we age
• How nutrition choices can improve health span and metabolic health
• How biomarkers can guide smarter prevention and earlier action
• Why community and purpose play a real role in aging well -
51 min
Micro-Adventures Matter
Episode 23
Show notes
Explore the power of micro-adventures, backyard adventures, and simple travel with Rob and Brent. In this episode, they share how spontaneous outings, nearby day trips, and easy adventure planning can spark curiosity, strengthen relationships, and bring more excitement to everyday life. From childhood bike rides and underground forts to coffee shops, caves, and overnight getaways, this conversation shows how small adventures and personal exploration can lead to real personal growth. If you’ve been feeling stuck in routine, this episode offers practical inspiration to help you rediscover spontaneity, connection, and the joy of trying something new.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode WebsiteTopics we are covering in this episode:
• Why spontaneity matters in micro-adventures
• How to find and plan micro-adventures close to home
• How local exploration can spark growth and strengthen relationships
• Using local insight to uncover hidden gems
• Ideas for half-day, single-day, and overnight adventures -
41 min
How to Give Back in Midlife
Episode 22
Show notes
What does giving back look like in midlife? In this episode, Brent and Rob talk about how service often shifts from something we admire to something we feel called to do. They explore the different ways people can support nonprofits through time, experience, relationships, and financial resources, and why local community impact can feel especially powerful. As part of this year’s global Podcast-a-thon, they also highlight The Cycle Effect, a Colorado nonprofit creating brighter futures for young women through mountain biking, mentorship, and access to the outdoors.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• The Cycle Effect
• Podcast-a-thonTopics we are covering in this episode:
• Midlife philanthropy and the shift from achievement to contribution
• Time, experience, relationships, and resources as ways to give back
• Volunteering and using professional expertise to support nonprofits
• Donor-advised funds and strategic charitable giving
• The power of local community impact
• The Cycle Effect and its work supporting girls through mountain biking -
58 min
Getting Honest With Your Money — So You Have More Options
Episode 21
Show notes
In this episode, Brent and Rob explore one of the biggest hidden barriers to your next great act: truly understanding your personal expenses. From the “one-off” costs that somehow show up every year to the money stories we carry from childhood, they unpack why avoidance makes finances feel more complicated than they need to be. This isn’t about budgeting or restriction — it’s about clarity. By revisiting the two numbers — what you spend and what you have — they explain how getting honest with your annual spending can simplify your financial life and create real optionality for what comes next.
Links, resources, books mentioned:
• Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack
• Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube
• Visit Episode Website
• The Psychology of Money — Morgan Housel(This post includes affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate, we may earn a small commission if you purchase through these links—at no extra cost to you.)
Topics we are covering in this episode:
• The gap between what you think you spend and what you actually spend can be meaningful — and that gap shapes what you believe is possible.
• “One-off” expenses rarely stay one-off — they’re part of the rhythm of life.
• Avoidance is what makes personal finances feel heavy and complicated. Clarity simplifies the story.
• This isn’t about budgeting. It’s about truth.
• Simplifying your accounts — both expenses and assets — can give you a clearer, calmer view of your financial picture.
• The money stories you carry quietly influence how you earn, save, and spend.
• When you know your numbers, you stop guessing — and that’s where optionality begins.
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