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My .4 Cents

Music, Music Commentary, Music Interviews

This is what musicians need to know about the music business today. Every Tuesday, music marketers Matt Bacon, Dustin Boyer, Jesse Cannon, and Andrew Southworth break down what's changed in music marketing and the music business, as well as what's currently changing in the industry. You’ll be surprised what they disagree about!

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Episodes
73
Releases
Weekly
Typical length
1 hr 11 min
On air since
2025
Latest episode
3 days ago

Episodes

73 episodes, newest first

  1. Troy Tittley Talks Lazy Content + The Best Marketing Hooks!

    Show notes

    This week we have Troy Tittley guitarist and vocalist of Nuns of the Tundra who is also an expert music marketer. We talk about how lazy content can succeed, hooks that will make you pop off and then how to be a one person record label. Then behind the paywall we talk about SMS vs Email and Tiktok vs Instagram in 2026!

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    1 hr 6 min
  2. Ranking Music Marketing Strategies W/ Joshua Powell!

    Show notes

    This week Joshua Powell joins the show for a round of "F***, Marry, Kill", then we talk about the state of physical media and how to book DIY shows. Plus we have a really insightful interview with Ronan from Boost Collective about their amazing platform!

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    1 hr 27 min
  3. Why Is Everyone Mad At Distrokid?

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    This week on the pod we talk about the issues Distrokid is facing, how to get played on the radio and when not to drop. Then Matt interviews Dan Carucci about Tipify!

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    55 min
  4. How To Spy On Superstars Ads!

    Show notes

    This week on the pod we’re talking about the potential death of user playlists on Spotify and how Qobuz and Spotify technically pay the exact same rate.

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    52 min
  5. Can Rock Bands Still Make It?

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    49 min
  6. Did Spotify Secretly End AI Music?

    Show notes

    Andrew Southworth and Dustin Boyer explore how Spotify secretly crushed AI music, and the Ed Sheeran drama. Plus Andrew interviews the founder of SubmitHub, Jason Grishkoff, where they talk about where SubmitHub fits in your music marketing stack, how they recently banned AI music from the platform and his advice for emerging artists.

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    1 hr 17 min
  7. Is Stella Lefty Ruining The Music Business?

    Show notes

    This week on the pod we ask if Stella Lefty is ruining the music business, what the big problems are with music tech and Matt interviews Steve of Does it Doom about gear endorsements! It's a good one!

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    Follow Jesse Cannon

    @jessecannon

    jessecannon.com

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    @dustintheindustryplant

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    http://dropoutmedia.net

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    1 hr 2 min
  8. Should You Make Music Videos?

    Show notes

    This week on the pod we ask if music videos are even worth it - and if you should book your own festival! We also have the good folks at Music Ally about the hard work they do as a music industry trade publication.

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    Follow Jesse Cannon

    @jessecannon

    jessecannon.com

    Follow Dustin Boyer

    @dustintheindustryplant

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    http://dropoutmedia.net

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    1 hr 7 min
  9. Music Marketing with $0 vs $10k+

    Season 1, Episode 53

    Show notes

    In this episode of My Point 4 Cents Andrew Southworth, Matt Bacon and Rom Villarica talk about how music marketing changes from $0 to $10k and how marketing changes at different stages of your career. This episode also features an interview with Jason Lekberg where he talks about marketing and strategy for artists like Steel Panther and Gwar.

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    Follow Jesse Cannon

    @jessecannon

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    Follow Dustin Boyer

    @dustintheindustryplant

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    http://dropoutmedia.net

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    1 hr 11 min
  10. Catalog Acquisition And DIY Music! (With Joe Nelson of Trust Records)

    Season 1, Episode 52

    Show notes

    We have Joe Nelson on the show to talk about his label Trust Records, catalog acquisition, packaging and DIY music. Andrew interviews Tim Weber, the founder of Groupd, where they talk about how artists should think about monetization, why most artists struggle with fan retention and how Groupd can help.

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    Follow Jesse Cannon

    @jessecannon

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    Follow Dustin Boyer

    @dustintheindustryplant

    Follow MattBacon

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    http://dropoutmedia.net

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    1 hr 17 min
  11. Artist Development and AI Music Legislation With John Strohm

    Season 1, Episode 52

    Show notes

    Music Lawyer John Strohm joins the podcast this week with semi regular co host Ryan Schutte and Matt Bacon to talk about what artist development means, his success managing Abigail Rose and the future of AI Music Legislation!

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    @jessecannon

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    1 hr 8 min
  12. How To Tour Better + Lessons from Australia's Music Scene!

    Season 1, Episode 51

    Show notes

    This week on My .4 Cents we have special guest Raechel Whitchurch and talk tour booking and marketing, Australian music industry and so much more!

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    Follow Jesse Cannon

    @jessecannon

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    1 hr 16 min
  13. How streaming platforms ACTUALLY pay & What NOT to post on socials

    Season 1, Episode 50

    Show notes

    This week on My Point 4 Cents, Andrew Southworth and Matt Bacon talk about how streaming platforms actually pay music artists, what NOT to post on social media as well as where music artists should run ads online.

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    Follow Jesse Cannon

    @jessecannon

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    @dustintheindustryplant

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    1 hr 1 min
  14. How Musicians Can Grow On Instagram & The DistroKid Sale

    Season 1, Episode 49

    Show notes

    This week on My Point 4 Cents Matt Bacon and Andrew Southworth talk about what actually matters for organic content on Instagram, DistroKid getting acquired by a private equity company and how Playstation getting rid of physical discs matters for the music industry.

    The episode also features an interview with Troy Tittley (Nuns of the Tundra) where we talk about organic growth strategies for TikTok and other platforms, including which tactics and platforms work best right now for music artists.

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    1 hr 8 min
  15. How to go From Zero to Hit Song

    Season 1, Episode 48

    Show notes

    This week on My Point 4 Cents Dustin Boyer and Andrew Southworth talk about what it takes to scale a song to be a 'hit song', and Tidal now automatically flagging and demonetizing 100% AI generated music. The episode also features an interview with legendary agent Jordan Burger, where he talks about why he doesn't want to sign your band.

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    1 hr 25 min
  16. How The Live Music World ACTUALLY Works

    Season 1, Episode 47

    Show notes

    In this weeks episode of My Point 4 Cents, Andrew Southworth, Ryan Schutte and Matt Bacon talk about the different roles in live music, general concert promo and the drama around Stick Figure.

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    1 hr 19 min
  17. Spotify's NEW Video Feature & How To See If AI Stole Your Music

    Season 1, Episode 46

    Show notes

    In this episode of My Point 4 Cents Matt Bacon, Jesse Cannon and Andrew Southworth talk about Spotify's new video feature, and the new tool that you can use to see if AI platforms stole your music for training data.

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    50 min
  18. Social Media Is DYING?!

    Season 1, Episode 45

    Show notes

    This week on My Point 4 Cents Matt Bacon, Andrew Southworth and Dustin Boyer give as much music marketing advice as they can in under 1 minute, talk about why you shouldn't ask people to listen to your music, how to build lore around your music and if cover songs help or hurt your music career.

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    58 min
  19. Spotify NEW AI Remix Feature and the END of Instagram Repost Pages

    Season 1, Episode 44

    Show notes

    On this week's episode of My .4 Cents Dustin Boyer, Ryan Schutte, Andrew Southworth and Matt Bacon talk about Spotify & UMG's new AI remix / cover feature and the death of repost pages on Instagram. The episode also features an interview with Jadd Shickler (Blues Funeral Recordings, Magnetic Eye Records) talking about what record labels are looking for, the role of the label in 2026 and what it takes to build a scene.

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    1 hr 17 min
  20. What Meta Ad Campaigns ACTUALLY Work For Music Marketing?

    Season 1, Episode 43

    Show notes

    This week on My Point 4 Cents Matt Bacon and Andrew Southworth talk all about running Meta ads for music marketing. Including effective cheap ads, what content works best and the different types of campaigns that work for music. The episode also features an interview with Rom Villarica (AZKAL), the founder of Flowstage, a site and app that makes it easy for music artists to create content for social media and ads at scale.

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    1 hr 21 min