Out Late With David

(00:00:00) I Was Married…Then I Said It!
(00:00:12) Welcome to Out Late with David
(00:00:23) A Life of Deception
(00:01:08) The Turning Point
(00:02:53) Exploring Hidden Feelings
(00:05:31) The Shocking Revelation
(00:09:51) Navigating the Aftermath
(00:12:25) The Importance of Support
(00:17:18) Maintaining Relationships
(00:19:12) Life Coaching Services
(00:19:48) From Acting to Cheese Monger

What happens when you’re married to your best friend—and begin questioning your sexuality?

In this episode of Out Late With David, one man’s coming-out journey begins with an unexpected conversation with his wife and the terrifying realization that the feelings he’d tried to dismiss weren’t going away. What follows is an honest look at coming out later in life, navigating marriage and divorce, therapy, self-acceptance, and learning to give both partners space to process a life-changing truth.

But this isn’t simply a story about what can be lost by coming out. It’s also about what can be gained: deeper authenticity, enduring friendships, LGBTQ+ community, love, reinvention, and the freedom to build a life that finally feels like your own.

For anyone questioning their sexuality, struggling to accept being gay, considering coming out to a spouse, or wondering whether it’s too late to begin again, this conversation offers an important reminder: you don’t have to navigate the journey alone—and a new chapter may be closer than you think.

Takeaways

• Saying the truth out loud can be terrifying—but it can also be the first step toward living authentically.
• Coming out is a journey for everyone involved. Spouses and loved ones need space, support, and time to process their own feelings and changing lives.
• Coming out doesn’t always mean losing the people you love. Relationships may change, but honesty, communication, and compassion can allow meaningful connections to endure.
• You don’t have to navigate questioning your sexuality or coming out alone. Therapy, LGBTQ+ organizations, friends, and supportive community can make a profound difference.
• It’s never too late for a new chapter. Authenticity can open the door to new relationships, community, reinvention, and a life you may not yet be able to imagine.

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

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Summary

After 32 years of marriage, Steven Rubenstein came out at 55 with no idea what his future would hold. He feared he was too old to find love, carried tremendous guilt over the pain his decision caused his family, and described the future ahead of him as simply “blank.” What followed surprised him: new friendships, solo adventures, a sense of belonging he had never experienced before—and the realization that coming out had given him what felt like a second chance at life.

Then Steven met acclaimed choreographer and artist David Rousseve. In this episode of Out Late With David, Steven shares the difficult transition from marriage to an authentic gay life before David joins the conversation to tell the wonderfully unlikely story of how they met and fell in love.

Together, Steven and David reflect on relationships, race, aging, authenticity, loss and the courage required to change direction when the life you’re living no longer fits. David also discusses how his own journey, including the loss of his former husband, influenced his deeply personal solo work BECOMING DADDY AF.

Their story is a reminder that stepping into the unknown can be terrifying—but the life waiting on the other side may be bigger, richer and filled with more love than you ever imagined.

Takeaways

1. The future we fear is often not the future that awaits us.

Steven went into coming out imagining loneliness. He couldn’t picture a partner and thought that, at 55, he was already past his “shelf life.” Instead, he discovered community, desire, travel, independence, belonging and eventually David. Importantly, the interview doesn’t minimize what his decision cost his former wife and family. Both realities exist at once.

2. Authenticity can require disrupting a life that isn’t obviously broken.

One of the most interesting aspects of Steven’s story is that he doesn’t rewrite his marriage as miserable. He says it was a good marriage and acknowledges the very real pain his coming out caused. David describes a parallel experience decades earlier: abandoning an expected professional path, ending an engagement to a woman and confronting his sexuality. Both men ultimately chose authenticity without pretending those choices were painless.

3. Reinvention doesn’t end with coming out.

The second half broadens the episode beyond Steven’s coming-out story. Steven and David found one another after each had already lived a substantial adult life and experienced long-term relationships. David’s DADDY AF takes that idea further: aging itself becomes another invitation to ask what life means, what remains unfinished, and how love, loss, race, ancestry and mortality shape the person we are still becoming.

Sound Bites

1. Steven — the episode-defining quote
“I felt like I was getting a second chance at life, like it was a game of pinball and I got an extra ball.”

2. Steven — on fearing he had waited too long
“At 55, I was persuaded that I was an expired carton of milk, way past my shelf life.”

3. Steven — on what actually happened
“I thought my life would end when I came out. My life began.”

4. David — on choosing a different life
“There are junctures in life where you have to examine everything and be bold enough to make different choices.”

5. Steven — advice to someone afraid to come out
“Trust that process…and that it’s never too late.”

6. David — on listening to yourself
“If I can quiet my mind and follow what my heart says to do, it has never led me wrong.”

7. David — on what ultimately matters
“Love is actually the core of what we’re living for.”

8. Steven — the emotional wedding moment
“My mom said to me…‘Now I have two sons.’”

Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

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Never Too Late — A Season 4 Teaser

Before Season 4 of Out Late With David begins, I wanted to share something a little different: “Never Too Late,” a song inspired by the stories, courage, and journeys we explore on this podcast.

At the heart of Out Late With David is a simple belief: it’s never too late to live your truth, to become more fully yourself, or to begin a new chapter.

Thank you to everyone who has listened, shared an episode, reached out, and offered your feedback and encouragement. Your support means more to me than you know—and it continues to shape this show and the conversations we share.

Enjoy “Never Too Late,” and stay tuned. Season 4 is coming soon.

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

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After spending more than three decades trying to suppress his sexuality, David Anderson reached a point where he could no longer ignore who he truly was. Raised in a conservative Southern Baptist environment, he prayed for years that being gay would simply disappear while building what appeared to be the perfect life—a 35-year marriage, four children, ministry, and a successful career.

In this deeply honest conversation, David shares the emotional cost of living behind a mask, the difficult decision to come out at 57, navigating a collaborative divorce, rebuilding relationships with his children, and discovering unexpected joy after embracing his authentic self. He also reflects on faith, family, finding love with his husband Peter, and why authenticity transformed every area of his life.

This episode is a powerful reminder that while coming out later in life is never easy, it’s never too late to live honestly—and to find happiness you never thought possible.

Takeaways
1. Authenticity is worth the risk. After decades of trying to suppress who he was through faith, counseling, and sheer determination, David discovered that the freedom of living authentically transformed every area of his life—not just his relationships, but his confidence, career, and sense of self.
2. Coming out later in life affects the whole family—but healing is possible. David speaks candidly about navigating a collaborative divorce, supporting his former wife through the transition, rebuilding relationships with his children, and recognizing that everyone’s journey toward acceptance unfolds on its own timeline.
3. Fear is often bigger than reality. For years, David believed coming out would destroy everything he loved. While the journey wasn’t easy, he ultimately found deeper relationships, unexpected support, and a level of joy he never imagined possible. As he reflects, “All the fears… were not nearly as big as you thought.”

Sound Bites
“I prayed harder to not be gay than I’ve ever prayed for anything else.”
“I spent years making myself smaller and smaller… until I became just a shadow of me.”
“The biggest thing I gained after coming out? Me.”
“All the fears were real—but they were never as big as I thought.”
“I thought I was committed to marriage. Today, I’m committed to Peter.”
“Everything got better. Everything."
“What people loved was the person I was pretending to be.” “I didn’t choose to be gay. I chose to be myself.” “I couldn’t keep that box on the shelf anymore.”
“I almost feel guilty about how happy I am.” “You’re okay. You don’t have to apologize for who you are.”
Podcast website and resources: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

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In this episode of Out Late With David, David sits down with author Peter Leahy to discuss his remarkable journey of coming out at age 44 after 20 years of marriage, raising two children, and living a life that looked successful on the outside but felt deeply unfulfilled within.

Peter shares how years of self-loathing, fear, and hiding his true identity gave way to courage, community, and ultimately authentic happiness. From finding support through Gay Fathers of Atlanta, navigating family relationships, and building a new life, to meeting his husband and relocating to Palm Springs, Peter reflects on the risks and rewards of embracing his true self.

He also shares the powerful letter he wrote to his former closeted self—a moving reminder that sometimes the bravest decision is simply taking the first step toward the life you deserve.

This conversation is about far more than sexuality; it’s about hope, reinvention, self-acceptance, and the truth that it’s never too late to become the person you were meant to be.

Guest: Peter Leahy, author of Glowing Up Gay.

Sound Bites

• “Peter, you took a chance and it worked. And I’m really proud that you did it. More than that, I’m grateful that you made our life a lot better.”
• “I was lying every single day—to other people, to people I loved, and most importantly, to myself.”
• “When I was in the closet, I wasn’t necessarily unhappy. But compared to the way I live now, I was a mile away from happiness.”
• “When you’re in the closet that long, you think you’re different. You think you’re damaged goods.”
• Peter to himself: “I love who you are now. I think you’ll love yourself even more when you come out.”

Peter's Book: Glowing Up Gay https://a.co/d/0a25qOu1

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What happens when the life you built no longer reflects who you truly are? In this episode of Out Late With David, host David Cotton speaks with David Willett, who spent more than three decades living what appeared to be a traditional life — married, raising three children, and building a successful corporate career.

n 2009, everything changed when he was publicly outed. David shares the emotional journey that followed — from fear and uncertainty to finding support through Gay Fathers of Greater Boston, a group that helps men navigating coming out later in life.

Through therapy, community, and self-reflection, David began to rediscover himself and ultimately found love again. Today he lives openly with his husband in Palm Springs and reflects on the unexpected gift that came from his journey: learning how to love himself.

In this episode we discuss:

• Growing up in a small rural town with no LGBTQ visibility
• The pressure to live up to family and religious expectations
• Marriage, fatherhood, and internal conflict
• Being publicly outed by his son
• Navigating difficult family conversations
• The life-changing role of support groups
• Rediscovering identity and emotional expression
• Building a new chapter of life in Palm Springs

Key Takeaway

Finding people who understand your experience can change everything. Support groups, therapy, and community can help transform fear into self-acceptance and open the door to a more authentic life.

Memorable Quote

“The self-love piece was the gift I didn’t expect when I came out.” — David Willett

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In this special crossover episode of Out Late With David, David shares his personal coming out story as a guest on The Better Man Podcastwith Dean Pohlman, founder of ManFlow Yoga. Together, they explore what it means to choose authenticity later in life, the courage required to rewrite your story, and why it is never too late to live more honestly. If you’ve ever questioned parts of your identity, faced a major life transition, or wondered whether change is still possible, this conversation offers reflection, insight, and hope.

The Better Man Podcast: https://manflowyoga.com/podcast/

Man Flow Yoga: https://manflowyoga.com/

Takeaways

• It’s never actually “too late” to come out or live authentically.
• Authenticity often requires courageous change.
• Many people carry questions about their identity for years before acting on them.
• You don’t have to “come out” to everyone — you can simply let people into your life.
• Cultural and subconscious homophobia can delay self-acceptance.
• Coming out impacts more than just the person doing it.
• Accepting yourself changes how you show up in the world.
• Personal growth requires effort and discomfort — much like physical training.

Sound Bites

• “Coming out later in life isn’t about becoming someone new — it’s about finally allowing yourself to be who you’ve always been.”
• “Authenticity may disrupt your life for a while, but living a lie disrupts your life forever.”
• “It’s not about coming out to the world — it’s about letting people into your real life.”

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/o96tgoKn1QU

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A retired Army officer and father comes out at 67, choosing authenticity, love, and a fuller life — as himself.

In this episode of Out Late With David, Mark D’Agostino, a retired U.S. Army officer and father of three, shares his powerful coming-out story at age 67. After a 43-year marriage and a military career shaped by duty and silence, Mark chose to stop surviving and start becoming. He reflects on family, love, reinvention, and the profound relief that came with finally living authentically — not starting over, but becoming fully himself.

Takeaways

• It’s never too late to come out.
• Living in alignment feels like a weight lifted.
• Family acceptance often exceeds our fears.
• Reinvention doesn’t mean erasing the past.
• Choosing yourself expands your world, not shrinks it.

Where to find Mark: Join me on a culinary journey inspired by the flavors of Italy. In Nonnos Kitchen, roll up your sleeves and learn to make fresh pasta with confidence right in your own kitchen. This hands-on class ends with a four-course meal—appetizer, salad, pasta, and dessert—featuring the pasta you’ve created. Young chefs are welcome, so put down the screens and enjoy a fun evening of pasta-making. Find Mark on Instagram at @nonnos_kitchen01

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In this powerful and heartfelt conversation, LGBTQ+ civil rights advocate and global lecturer Greg R. Baird sits down with David in Palm Springs to share his journey from growing up closeted in a small Michigan town to becoming a respected educator, storyteller, and champion for allyship. Greg opens up about coming out at 31, navigating painful family rejection, and the moments that shaped his calling—including a life-changing encounter with a student who credits his story with saving her life. Together, David and Greg explore the transformative power of storytelling, finding community after coming out, and learning to live with courage, connection, and authenticity at any age. This episode offers wisdom, warmth, and hope for anyone on their journey of self-acceptance and belonging.

Takeaways & Sound Bites

• Growing up in a small, religious town made coming out feel impossible, but college provided Greg the first space where he could blossom and explore who he truly was.
• Early advocacy began unintentionally, as Greg and his first boyfriend spoke to college classes about being gay—long before he saw himself as an activist.
• Family responses to coming out were painful and complicated, but over time, Greg found peace through patience, education, and accepting what could not be changed.
• Parents’ understanding is shaped by what they know, and sometimes by those influencing them; change, when it comes, can be slow and surprising.
• You can’t change your parents—only yourself. Greg emphasizes honoring your truth, your energy, and your value, regardless of others’ acceptance.
• Storytelling is a transformative tool that can change hearts, minds, and even policy by revealing the humanity behind the issues.
• A life-changing moment with a suicidal student affirmed Greg’s calling to become a global lecturer—proof that sharing your story can save lives.
• Coming out may not happen overnight, and each person must move at their own pace and readiness. There is no “right” timeline.
• Finding community after coming out takes intention, whether through shared activities, meetups, support groups, hobbies, or interest-based circles.
• Real connection requires stepping beyond apps and screens, leaning into face-to-face interactions that build genuine friendships.
• Introverts, extroverts, and everyone in between can find their place—community can look like wine groups, sports leagues, sober spaces, Disney meetups, or coffee chats.
• Self-acceptance is foundational; be patient with yourself and trust that your personality, confidence, and comfort in community will grow over time.
• We need connection now more than ever, especially in a challenging social climate—putting yourself out there, even gently, opens emotional doors you never expected.
• Letting people in, rather than “coming out,” can be a more compassionate and empowering way to frame revealing your authentic self.
• You are not alone, and hearing stories like Greg’s or those on Out Late With David can provide life-saving hope, community, and belonging.

Greg R. Baird: https://linktr.ee/gregrbaird and http://www.GregRBaird.com.

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Summary

In this powerful follow-up conversation, David talks with Chef Charlie Vollmar on his return to Out Late With David to share how his life has transformed since his first interview 18 months ago. Speaking from Palm Springs, Charlie updates listeners on his reinvention in San Miguel de Allende—rebuilding his life after being outed, creating a new chosen family, relaunching his culinary school, and deepening his work in cultural exchange and philanthropy. With his signature radical vulnerability, he reflects on personal growth, identity, male connection, creativity, and purpose, all while offering honest guidance for others navigating late-in-life coming out journeys. This uplifting episode highlights resilience, authenticity, and the joy of discovering life on the other side of trauma.

Keywords

#ComingOutLater #GayMen #LGBTQStories #AuthenticLiving #ChosenFamily #ChefCharlieVollmar #SanMiguelDeAllende #PalmSpringsLGBTQ #CulinaryJourneys #GayExpatLife #Self-discovery #Authenticity

Takeaways

• Reinvention at any age is possible.
• Authenticity transforms everything.
• Mexico sparked Charlie’s creative and personal rebirth.
• Chosen family brings deep healing and joy.
• Radical vulnerability can save lives—your own and others’.
• Letting go is often the first step to moving forward.
• There is hope and purpose on the other side of trauma.
• Male connection—emotional, social, spiritual—can be profoundly healing.

Sound Bites

1. “I didn’t just come out—I became someone I never knew I was allowed to be.”
2. “Mexico didn’t just give me a new home. It gave me a new mind, a new heart, and a new life.”
3. “Radical vulnerability wasn’t a choice—it was the door that saved me.”
4. “At 60, I thought my story was over. It turns out it was only just beginning.”
5. “I left with two carry-ons, a red backpack, a laptop, and a cup of coffee—and rebuilt everything from nothing.”
6. “My chosen family filled a space in my heart I didn’t even know was empty.”
7. “I wake up every day now with one thought: I can’t wait to see who I become today.”
8. “Authenticity isn’t a destination—it changes every hour with the people you meet and the life you live.”
9. “There is so much life waiting for us on the other side of trauma. Hold on. There’s always another side.”
10. “Teaching isn’t my job—it’s my purpose. It’s the gift I get to give away every day.”

The Classic Cocktail Anthony Bourdain Called The 'Perfect Mixed Drink': https://www.tastingtable.com/1360085/classic-cocktail-anthony-bourdain-perfect-drink-negroni/

Boeuf Bourguignon | The French Chef Season 7 | Julia Child: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uruT8FPpeKc

Connecting with Chef Charlie

Chef Charles Vollmar
Epicurean Exchange Culinary Education
Aparicio 25, #5, Zona Centro
San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, México

WhatsApp: +1 925-369-4181
Email: charlie@epicureanexchange.com

Websites:

Education: https://www.epicureanexchange.com
Travel: https://www.epexculinarytravel.com
Blog: https://www.epicureanglobalexchange.com

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Summary

Kevin O'Connor shares his profound journey of self-discovery, coming out at 55 after two marriages and raising children. He reflects on his childhood experiences, the struggles of acceptance, and the complexities of navigating relationships. Through candid discussions, he reveals the challenges of living authentically and the joy of finding love with his husband after years of hiding his true self. Kevin emphasizes the importance of embracing one's identity and the lessons learned throughout his life.

Keywords

coming out, LGBTQ, self-acceptance, relationships, marriage, personal journey, authenticity, love, family, memoir

Takeaways

• Kevin came out at 55 after two marriages.
• He struggled with acceptance from a young age.
• His childhood experiences shaped his understanding of identity.
• Navigating relationships was complex due to his hidden sexuality.
• He found love with his husband after years of self-discovery.
• Kevin emphasizes the importance of authenticity in life.
• He reflects on the challenges of being a gay educator.
• His journey highlights the significance of family support.
• Kevin's story serves as an inspiration for others in similar situations.
• He believes in the power of sharing one's story to help others.

Chapters

00:00 Kevin O'Connor's Journey of Self-Discovery
02:56 Navigating Early Life and Identity
05:34 College Experiences and Hidden Truths
08:02 Marriage and the Struggle with Identity
10:19 The Complexity of Relationships
11:29 Fatherhood and Compartmentalization
14:11 The Breaking Point of Authenticity
20:41 Embracing Authenticity: The Journey of Coming Out
24:11 Finding Love: The Role of Timing and Connection
29:40 Family Dynamics: Coming Out to Loved Ones
32:46 Reflections on Life: Lessons Learned and Moving Forward
37:05 Closing

Book Recommendation:

Journey Out: Memoirs of men coming to grips with their orientation, by Gene Probasco

• https://a.co/d/b2y78Bt

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/IYLGA_lLYGs

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com
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Summary

In this episode of Out Late with David, Bill Schroeder shares his transformative journey of coming out as a gay man at the age of 60 after 37 years of marriage. He reflects on the feelings of fear and authenticity that led him to finally embrace his true self. Bill discusses the emotional challenges he faced, the reactions of his family, and the importance of self-discovery. He emphasizes that it's never too late to live authentically and offers advice for others who may be struggling with their identity. Keywords coming out, LGBTQ, authenticity, self-discovery, family dynamics, life coaching, personal growth, emotional journey, gay men, late life coming out

Takeaways

• Turning 60 was a pivotal moment for Bill.
• He felt his life was fake before coming out.
• Fear of losing family and friends kept him in the closet.
• Bill's camping trip was a time for deep reflection.
• His ex-wife's support was crucial for his journey.
• Family reactions varied, with his daughter initially upset.
• Bill's son took time to accept his father's new identity.
• He found a sense of belonging in the LGBTQ community.
• Authenticity has brought him peace and happiness.
• Bill encourages others to take baby steps in their journey.

Sound Bites

"I wanted to feel more authentic."
"I could have done this 10 years ago."
"Fear kept me in the closet for years."

Chapters
00:00 A Turning Point at 60
12:40 The Journey of Coming Out
19:55 Authenticity and Self-Discovery
22:09 Advice for Others in the Closet

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/9TEPfX13JB8

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com
https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com
https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com https://linktr.ee/davidacotton

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Summary

In this conversation with David, LGBTQ+ ally and researcher Kami Hunley-Jackson, who shares her personal journey and research on the coming out process, particularly focusing on the experiences of LGBTQ+ individuals and their families. The former Latter Day Saint is the mother of two LGBTQ+ children and sister to her gay brother. She discusses the challenges faced by families, the impact of religion, and the importance of communication and support systems. Kami emphasizes the need for understanding and acceptance, both for those coming out and their loved ones, and highlights the mental health implications of the coming out journey. The conversation also touches on the evolving nature of religious acceptance and the importance of creating safe spaces for dialogue. Keywords coming out, LGBTQ+, acceptance, mental health, family support, religion, communication, research, personal stories, allyship

Takeaways

• Kami's personal experiences with her children and brother shaped her understanding of the coming out process.
• The decision between religious beliefs and family acceptance can be a painful conflict for parents.
• Supportive communities, like Mama Dragons, provide essential resources for families of LGBTQ+ individuals.
• The theater community often offers a more accepting environment for LGBTQ+ individuals.
• Kami's research revealed that non-religious individuals tend to communicate better during the coming out process.
• Mental health issues, including suicidal ideation, were prevalent among the study participants.
• Self-acceptance is a crucial step in the coming out journey, often requiring individuals to confront their identity.
• The coming out process is deeply personal and should be respected as such by family members.
• Creating a safe space for communication is vital for both the individual coming out and their loved ones.
• Religious institutions are evolving, with some becoming more inclusive of LGBTQ+ individuals.

Sound Bites

• "I realized that I needed to search my own heart."
• "The love of a mother over the situation."
• "I acted differently this time around."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Understanding the Importance of Coming Out
02:36 Personal Journeys: Family and Acceptance 05:25 The Role of Religion in Coming Out
08:35 Research Insights: Communication and Relationships
11:13 Mental Health and the Coming Out Process
14:05 Support Systems and Resources
16:48 Advice for Families and Individuals
19:51 Looking Ahead: Future Research Directions

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/jCsPAB9C2aM

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact David:

• mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com
• https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com
• https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com
• https://linktr.ee/davidacotton

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

Summary

At age 67, Wendy Cole transitioned from male to female after a lifetime of hiding her true identity. In this candid conversation, Wendy shares the emotional cost of repression, her turning point in 2014, and how she found joy, health, and purpose by finally embracing who she is. Now a mentor and advocate, Wendy is helping others navigate their own gender journeys and working to humanize what it means to be transgender.

Keywords

transgender, coming out, identity, support, mental health, community, authenticity, transition, LGBTQ+, personal growth

Takeaways

• Wendy transitioned male to female at age 67.
• She felt a lifelong sense of not belonging.
• Gender identity is formed in the brain during the second trimester.
• Wendy faced significant societal and familial pressure to conform.
• She repressed her identity for decades due to fear and shame.
• The DSM's classification of LGBTQ+ identities has evolved over time.
• Wendy found support and community later in life.
• She emphasizes the importance of living authentically.
• Wendy's mission is to educate others about transgender experiences.
• It's never too late to pursue one's true identity.

Sound Bites

• "I was punished for breaking my glasses."
• "I was taken to a psychiatrist."
• "I was threatened with being committed."
• "I couldn't take it anymore."
• "I was doing this out of survival."
• "I was pretty much on my own."
• "I was going to do this for me."
• "It's never too late to take charge."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Wendy's Journey of Self-Discovery
11:58 The Struggles of Repression and Acceptance
22:15 Transitioning and Finding Community
32:29 Living Authentically and Educating Others

More About Wendy Cole:

• http://meetwendycole.com/
• https://wendycolegtm.net/category/podcasts/
• Demystifying the Transgender Journey Podcast: https://wendycolegtm.net/episode-001-demystifying-this-podcast/

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/eU5v97dHNIs

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact David:

• mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com
• https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com
• https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com
• https://linktr.ee/davidacotton

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

Thank you to Jon & Brian of Out Loud for allowing me to publish this episode from their podcast. You guys are fantastic! I've been a fan since I first discovered you on YouTube! Keep living your life, OUT LOUD!!

Out Loud Podcast with Jon and Brian:

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/out-loud/id1560962922
• https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHLEcaJ0RewmS9XyfVa-fww

Summary

In this episode of Out Late With David, David Cotton is a guest on the podcast, Out Loud, while visiting Key West FL. Along with the hosts of Out Loud, Jon and Brian, they discuss the complexities of coming out later in life, the importance of community support, and the dynamics of relationships, especially for older gay men. He shares insights from his experiences and those of his guests, emphasizing the need for authenticity, compassion, and understanding in navigating personal journeys and family dynamics. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced by older men in the dating world and offers advice on how to approach relationships with clarity and openness.

Keywords

coming out, LGBTQ, age gap relationships, gay community, life coaching, support, authenticity, family dynamics, relationships, self-discovery

Takeaways

• Coming out later in life can be a complex journey.
• Community support is crucial for those coming out.
• Navigating family dynamics requires patience and understanding.
• Authenticity is key to living a fulfilling life.
• Older men face unique challenges in dating.
• It's important to communicate clearly in relationships.
• Self-acceptance is a vital part of the coming out process.
• Compartmentalization can hinder personal growth.
• You can maintain relationships even after coming out.
• Love can be found unexpectedly, regardless of age.

Sound Bites

• "Don't rush into coming out."
• "I couldn't continue living a lie."
• "You have to accept who you are."
• "I feel transparent many times."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Out Late with David
01:06 Coming Out Later in Life
04:05 The Role of Community and Support
07:54 Navigating Relationships and Family Dynamics
12:09 The Impact of Age and Experience
15:54 Living Authentically and Finding Peace
18:45 Advice for Older Men in Dating

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/YOGFb9CWCjw

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com
https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com
https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com
https://linktr.ee/davidacotton

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

Summary

In this conversation, Wayne Scott shares his journey through a mixed orientation marriage, detailing the challenges and transformations he and his wife faced. They navigated the complexities of identity, love, and commitment, ultimately redefining their relationship through non-monogamy. Wayne emphasizes the importance of communication, patience, and the willingness to adapt as individuals grow over time. His story serves as a testament to the possibility of creating a fulfilling partnership that honors both personal and shared desires.

Keywords

mixed orientation marriage, non-monogamy, relationships, LGBTQ+, marriage advice, communication, love story, personal growth, therapy, bisexuality, coming out, LGBTQ+

Takeaways

• Mixed orientation marriages can thrive without ending in divorce.
• Communication is key in navigating relationship challenges.
• Non-monogamy can be a viable option for some couples.
• Patience is essential when exploring new relationship dynamics.
• It's important to redefine what marriage means to you.
• Love can persist through difficult transitions in a relationship.
• Couples can create their own rules for their relationship.
• Support from a therapist can facilitate difficult conversations.
• Children can adapt to their parents' non-traditional relationships.
• Personal growth is a continuous journey within a marriage.

Sound Bites

• "It doesn't always end in divorce."
• "A new idea turned his marriage into a love story."
• "Your marriage can be whatever you want it to be."
• "It's okay to take a couple years to figure it out."
• "It can be whatever you want it to be."
• "They chose to break the rules and norms of society."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Navigating Mixed Orientation Marriages
09:50 The Shift to Non-Monogamy
20:01 Lessons Learned from Non-Traditional Relationships

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/wHFdiTkYoYk

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

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In this episode of Out Late with David, Stefan Schneider shares his journey of coming out as gay, navigating relationships, and building a modern family. He reflects on the challenges of coming out in the early 90s, the impact of his sexuality on his marriage, and the emotional turmoil of divorce. Through self-discovery and therapy, Stefan learns to embrace his identity and finds happiness in his new life with his husband and blended family. The conversation highlights the importance of authenticity, communication, and the complexities of family dynamics in the LGBTQ+ community.

Takeaways

• Coming out is a complex process that varies for everyone.
• The societal context during the early 90s made coming out challenging.
• Authenticity in relationships can create both closeness and tension.
• Divorce can be a painful but necessary step towards self-acceptance.
• Rebuilding relationships with children requires patience and love.
• Self-discovery often involves confronting difficult truths about oneself.
• Having a clear vision of what you want in a partner can guide your choices.
• The journey to happiness is not linear and requires effort.
• Childhood experiences can shape one's understanding of identity.
• Creating a supportive environment for children is crucial during transitions.

Sound Bites

• "I just wanted to fit in and be normal."
• "The only way out is through sometimes."
• "I always wanted to be a dad."
• "I had to sacrifice something of myself."
• "I felt like I had split up my family."
• "We met on Christian Mingle."

Chapters

00:00 Navigating Identity and Relationships
15:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery
30:00 Building a Blended Family
33:48 Reflections on Happiness and Authenticity

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/YGWJGVhw2s8

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

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Summary

Mark Dembo shares his journey of coming out at the age of 59, reflecting on the challenges and transformations he faced in his relationships, particularly with his wife and children. He discusses the emotional weight of living a life that felt inauthentic and the liberation he felt upon embracing his true self. Mark emphasizes the importance of support from family and community, and the complexities of navigating a mixed-orientation marriage. His story highlights the potential for love and acceptance even in the face of significant life changes. Mark emphasizes the significance of love and understanding in navigating the challenges of coming out later in life, offering insights and advice for others on similar journeys. Keywords coming out, LGBTQ, self-discovery, relationships, family dynamics, support groups, acceptance, personal growth, authenticity, mental health

Takeaways

• Coming out later in life can be a complex journey.
• Self-acceptance often comes with emotional weight.
• Support from family is crucial during the coming out process.
• Navigating relationships requires patience and understanding.
• Community support can provide a sense of belonging.
• Publicly embracing one's identity can be liberating.
• It's important to allow space for emotions in relationships.
• Guilt is a common feeling for those coming out later in life.
• Maintaining friendships post-separation is possible.
• Every individual's journey is unique, but shared experiences can help.

Sound Bites

• "I was living somebody else's life."
• "I consider myself so very lucky in who she is."
• "I want to do whatever I can to help."
• "You have nothing to feel guilty for."
• "I recognize that I didn't choose this."
• "I can't fight that; it's who I am."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Mark's Journey of Self-Discovery
07:51 The Impact of Coming Out on Relationships
15:45 Navigating Family Dynamics
20:57 Finding Community and Support
26:05 Publicly Embracing Authenticity

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/8RrNuddNU-c

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2025 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved. The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.

Summary

In this interview David Cotton speaks with John Duerler who shares his journey of self-discovery as a gay man, navigating the complexities of coming out to his family and the challenges of maintaining relationships. He discusses the importance of being true to oneself, the supportive reactions from his family, and the creation of a community for gay fathers. John emphasizes the significance of open communication and offers advice for others in similar situations, highlighting that they are not alone in their struggles. Keywords coming out, LGBTQ, family dynamics, self-discovery, relationships, gay fathers, acceptance, mental health, personal growth, community support Takeaways

• John's journey of self-discovery began in childhood.
• He dated women for many years before coming out.
• Family support played a crucial role in his coming out process.
• John's children reacted positively to his coming out.
• He emphasizes the importance of therapy in understanding one's identity.
• John's relationship with his wife remains amicable despite their separation.
• He created a community for gay fathers to share experiences.
• John's podcast aims to help others navigate similar journeys.
• He believes in the power of open communication within families.
• John encourages others to seek help and support during their journey.

Sound Bites

"I had to be true to myself."
"I want to come work for you."
"It gets better."
"You're not alone."
"Be true to yourself. Get help."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Coming Out Journeys
03:00 Early Experiences and Realizations
05:55 Navigating Relationships and Family Dynamics
08:49 The Impact of Family and Support Systems
12:13 Coming Out to Family and Friends
15:10 Creating a Supportive Community
18:02 Reflections on Dating and Relationships
20:46 Advice for Others on Their Journey
24:07 Conclusion and Resources

Book Recommendation: Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life, edited by Vinnie Kinsella. https://a.co/d/dh3N2yM

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/0Dx2jCfpzlQ

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: mailto:david@davidcottoncoaching.com

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In this conversation, David Cotton speaks with David Nygaard about his journey of coming out as gay later in life. They discuss the challenges of recognizing one's identity in a society that often stigmatizes homosexuality, the complexities of navigating relationships and marriage, and the impact of a significant health crisis on Nygaard's life. Nygaard shares his experiences of embracing authenticity, his political aspirations, and the importance of open communication in relationships. The conversation concludes with advice for those in mixed orientation marriages, emphasizing the need for self-acceptance and seeking professional guidance. David also offers advice for others who may be struggling with their identity and relationships.

Keywords coming out, LGBTQ+, self-discovery, relationships, authenticity, heart attack, personal growth, life changes, gay marriage, mental health

Takeaways

• Coming out later in life can be a complex journey.
• David Nygaard's story reflects the complexities of self-discovery.
• Growing up, he felt an early attraction to men but lacked the language to express it.
• He wore a metaphorical mask to hide his true self.
• His involvement in evangelical Christianity was a way to escape depression.
• David's marriage was filled with happiness despite his hidden sexuality.
• The divorce allowed him to explore his identity more freely.
• He experienced a life-changing heart attack that prompted a reevaluation of his life.
• Authenticity became a priority after his health crisis.
• Political activism can be a way to impact the community positively.
• It's important to seek therapy to navigate mixed orientation marriages.
• David Cotton emphasizes the importance of dating oneself before seeking a partner.
• He encourages others to seek therapy to navigate their feelings.

Sound Bites

• "My story reads like a soap opera."
• "I always had an affinity or an attraction to guys."
• "We grew up in an age where it was illegal to be gay."
• "I put on what I'd say is a three foot mask."

Audio Chapters

00:00 Awakening to Identity
05:40 Navigating Relationships and Marriage
10:02 Embracing Authenticity Post-Divorce
18:16 Health Crisis and Life Changes
24:32 Political Aspirations and Community Impact
27:55 Building a New Relationship
30:47 Advice for Those in Mixed Orientation Marriages

Book Recommendation: “Is My Husband Gay, Straight or Bi?” by Joe Kort. https://a.co/d/0J2egb1

Podcast website and resources: https://www.outlatewithdavid.com/

YouTube Edition: https://youtu.be/4ius0O4Y_8U

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvsthP9yClKI4o5LxbuQnOg

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.davidcottoncoaching.com/

Contact me: david@davidcottoncoaching.com

© 2024 David Cotton Coaching, LLC. All rights reserved.The "Out Late With David" podcast and its content are the property of David Cotton Coaching, LLC. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from David Cotton Coaching, LLC is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to "Out Late With David" and David Cotton Coaching, LLC with appropriate and specific direction to the original content.