Podcast
The Cerebral Cricketer
The Cerebral Cricketer Podcast is a deep dive into the psychological side of cricket.
Through exclusive interviews with cricketers, coaches, and experts, we explore the mindset, thought processes, and mental resilience behind success.
This podcast unpacks the cerebral side of the game - one conversation at a time.
Decode The Mind, Master Your Temperament!
- Episodes
- 45
- Releases
- Every two weeks
- Typical length
- 1 hr 25 min
- On air since
- 2025
- Latest episode
- 1 day ago
Episodes
45 episodes, newest first
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1 hr 15 min
Ep 44 - The Mental Battle No One Sees: Queensland's Aryan Jain on Emotions, Self-Doubt & Gratitude
Show notes
What does cricket teach us about the psychology of being human?
Queensland cricketer Aryan Jain returns to The Cerebral Cricketer for an insightful conversation exploring the complexities of human emotions, identity, self-awareness and the mind.
Moving beyond the technical and tactical aspects of cricket, we explore how our thoughts, insecurities, expectations and emotional conditioning shape the way we perform, both on the field and in everyday life.
Aryan opens up about the emotional challenges of losing his professional Queensland contract, the pressures of attaching his identity to cricket, and his evolving relationship with perfectionism, self-talk and performance.
We explore some fascinating questions:
- Why do we become so attached to outcomes and expectations?
- Can we learn to observe negative thoughts rather than fight them?
- How do childhood experiences and conditioning influence our emotions?
- Is excessive training sometimes driven by insecurity rather than improvement?
- Can we experience failure without allowing it to define who we are?
- What role do gratitude, acceptance and self-awareness play in finding emotional balance?
The conversation also explores the psychology of coaching, the importance of vulnerability, and how Aryan has learned to approach cricket with greater perspective and emotional awareness.
An episode that goes beyond cricket, exploring what it means to understand ourselves as human beings.
Subscribe to The Cerebral Cricketer for meaningful conversations exploring the human, psychological and strategic dimensions of cricket.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction to Aryan Jain
01:09 Balancing Cricket, Work and Life
03:21 When Cricket Becomes Your Entire Life
07:04 Batting as a Form of Meditation
08:42 Mindfulness and Managing Your Mental State
12:01 How Failure Builds Self-Awareness
14:00 Understanding Our Thoughts, On and Off the Field
18:26 Learning to Live with Negative Thoughts
20:35 The Evolution of Mental Skills in Cricket
23:09 Perfectionism, Insecurity and Training Less
26:05 Childhood Conditioning, Anxiety and Self-Belief
31:07 Losing a Queensland Contract and Finding Identity
32:41 Gratitude, Expectations and Emotional Acceptance
38:48 Vulnerability and Talking About Emotions in Cricket
41:01 Is Cricket Becoming Too Soft?
42:17 Managing Pressure and Emotions Through Self-Talk
47:33 Why Aryan Stopped Labelling Performances Good or Bad
50:44 The Psychology of Coaching and Perfectionism
53:06 Strict Coaching, Upbringing and Individual Differences
58:13 T20 Cricket, Success and Handling Low Scores
1:01:35 Aryan's 89 Not Out and Finding Flow
1:06:06 The Story Behind Hitting a Six Off the Final Ball
1:11:58 Preseason Preparation and Staying Mentally Fresh
1:13:22 T20 Max and Final Thoughts
1:14:20 Closing
#TheCerebralCricketer #AryanJain #CricketPodcast #CricketPsychology #SelfAwareness #SportsPsychology #MentalPerformance #EmotionalIntelligence #QueenslandCricket
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1 hr 14 min
Ep 43 - What He Saw in Uthappa, Pandey, Agarwal & Padikkal Before They Made It | Irfan Sait Reveals All
Show notes
What separates a talented young cricketer from one who eventually represents India? 🏏🇮🇳
In Episode 43 of The Cerebral Cricketer, I sit down with Irfan Sait, founder and director of the Karnataka Institute of Cricket (KIOC), and a coach with more than 30 years of experience developing cricketers.
Irfan has played a role in the development of players including Robin Uthappa, Manish Pandey, Mayank Agarwal and Devdutt Padikkal.
In this conversation, he takes us behind the scenes of what these players were like before they became household names, and what separated them from thousands of other talented young cricketers.
We explore:
- What Irfan first noticed in Uthappa, Pandey, Agarwal and Padikkal
- Why discipline, passion and work ethic matter beyond natural talent
- The importance of mental preparation and problem-solving
- Why technique alone is not enough to reach the highest level
- How coaches can teach players to think for themselves
- The damaging impact parental pressure can have on young cricketers
- How KIOC approaches the development of elite players
- What more than three decades of coaching has taught Irfan about identifying talent
Irfan also reflects on his own journey into coaching, building KIOC, studying coaching in India, Australia and England, and the lessons he has taken from working around some of cricket's great minds.
This is a fascinating conversation for cricketers, coaches, parents and anyone interested in understanding what actually goes into producing an elite cricketer.
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What quality do you think separates a talented cricketer from an elite one?
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
01:29 How Irfan Fell in Love With Cricket
02:54 Why Irfan Became a Cricket Coach
04:06 Learning Coaching in India, Australia & England
07:04 India vs Australia vs England: Cricket Cultures
09:55 The Origins of KIOC
12:35 Building a Structured Coaching System
14:45 The Problem With Parental Pressure
25:14 What Irfan Saw in Young Uthappa, Agarwal & Pandey
29:53 What Separates Good Cricketers From Great Ones?
31:31 Manish Pandey vs Mayank Agarwal: Different Mindsets
34:18 What Stood Out About Devdutt Padikkal
38:19 Developing Cricket Intelligence & Problem-Solving
45:12 How Much of Batting Technique Can Be Coached?
49:01 Is Modern Batting Technique Getting Better or Worse?
51:08 Why Match Practice Matters More Than Nets
54:27 Can Competitiveness Be Taught?
56:21 Can Mental Strength Outweigh Natural Talent?
56:45 When Should a Coach Change a Player's Technique?
59:14 How Irfan's Understanding of Talent Has Changed
1:00:20 Did Uthappa, Pandey, Agarwal & Padikkal Always Have Their Identity?
1:02:35 Weaknesses & Common Traits of His Elite Players
1:03:43 What India's Stars Taught Irfan About Developing Talent
1:05:29 Manish Pandey: The Test Career That Could Have Been
1:08:09 International Coaches Who Helped Shape KIOC 1:11:04 Irfan's Final Reflections
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1 hr 4 min
Ep 41 - Unlocking Flow State: The Science of Performing Under Pressure with Amrinder K. Gill
Show notes
What separates having potential from actually being able to perform when it matters?
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, I'm joined by Amrinder from Vagus Active Therapy, a qualified physiotherapist working with cricketers on stress regulation, mental resilience and performance.
Amrinder shares her own journey of being a high achiever who struggled to execute despite knowing her potential, and how that experience eventually led her to explore the connection between the mind, body and nervous system.
We discuss performing under pressure, flow state, mindfulness, nervous system regulation, the role of breathing, developing an internal locus of control, sitting with discomfort, and why mental resilience can be physically trained.
We also explore why cricket places such unique demands on the mind, and what players can do to remain present, focused and composed when the pressure rises.
🎙️ **Topics include:**
• Potential vs performance
• The nervous system and stress regulation
• Flow state in cricket
• Mindfulness and meditation
• Performing under pressure
• Breathing and the vagus nerve
• Mental resilience
• Sitting with discomfort
• Building focus and presence
• The mental demands of cricket
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:02 How Amrinder Found Cricket
06:16 High Potential, Medical School & Struggling to Execute
08:25 Shame, Failure & Why She Does This Work
09:43 Performance, Identity & Mindfulness
13:21 Understanding the Nervous System
14:02 Returning to Baseline & Finding Flow
18:21 The Science of Flow State & Breathing
20:38 Rest, Recovery & Nervous System Regulation
29:25 Why Cricket Is So Mentally Demanding
31:15 Why Getting Out Can Feel Like a Breakup
37:19 Building Your Window of Tolerance
39:15 Cold Plunges & Learning to Sit With Discomfort
44:24 Social Media, Contracts & External Pressure
49:21 Potential vs Performance
50:08 Seeing the Work Translate Into Results
53:42 Performing Through Uncertainty & Discomfort
56:22 Acceptance & Jason Sangha's Move to South Australia
58:50 Process Over Outcome
1:00:41 Final Thoughts
1:02:27 What's Next for Amrinder
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1 hr 17 min
Ep 41 - Sheffield Shield Double Centurion Daniel Drew on Fearless Cricket & Trusting Your Game
Show notes
Daniel Drew joins The Cerebral Cricketer Podcast to unpack his journey through South Australian cricket and the mindset behind some of the biggest innings of his career.
Daniel reflects on progressing from West Torrens and Second XI cricket to representing South Australia in the Sheffield Shield, his experiences in the Big Bash, and the incredible run of form that included scores of 161*, 214* and 180.
We dive into the mental and technical side of batting, including how he learned to trust his own technique, deal with self-doubt, play without fear, build routines at the crease and adapt his game to different formats and situations.
Daniel also takes us inside his memorable 208* against Western Australia, explains what he learned from training alongside Rashid Khan, discusses the standards of Alex Carey and South Australia's environment, and reveals some of the toughest bowlers he has faced.
A fascinating conversation about batting, confidence, preparation, resilience and what it takes to score big runs at the professional level.
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Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:37 Childhood & discovering cricket
01:57 How tennis shaped his batting
06:02 Evolving his technique
08:16 Coaches who shaped his game
10:51 Junior pathways & Matt Renshaw
13:36 Breaking into first grade at 17
15:49 Dealing with nerves & self-doubt
17:59 Winning the Bradman Medal
20:13 Second XI cricket & Brad Haddin 28:32 T20 intent & playing without fear
33:13 Facing Pakistan for Cricket Australia XI
35:52 Making his Sheffield Shield debut
37:43 The incredible run of 161*, 214* & 180
42:25 His batting routine & mental cues
46:19 Big Bash debut & learning from Rashid Khan
50:40 Scoring 130 against Victoria 53:49 Making the No. 3 position his own
56:47 The story behind his 208*
59:45 The difficulty of Sheffield Shield batting
1:02:53 South Australia's culture & teammates
1:05:35 Pregame routine, music & visualisation
1:07:54 Playing the situation without becoming defensive
1:10:23 What makes Alex Carey so successful
1:12:40 Toughest bowlers & best batters faced
1:15:11 Final thoughts
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52 min
BPL Star Will Bosisto on Why Bangladesh's Win Over Australia Was No Surprise
Show notes
🇧🇩 Bangladesh have beaten Australia, and according to Will Bosisto, who has played in the Bangladesh Premier League, this was no fluke.
Will Bosisto returns to The Cerebral Cricketer for a fascinating breakdown of Bangladesh's emphatic Test victory over Australia, bringing a perspective few others can offer.
As an Australian professional cricketer who has played in the BPL alongside and against several members of the Bangladesh setup, Will gives us an inside look at the talent, tactics and development behind this emerging side.
We unpack why Bangladesh were able to outplay Australia across four days, how Hasan Mahmud's accuracy and subtle changes of pace troubled Australia's batters, and why Mehidy Hasan Miraz's tactical intelligence made his spell against Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne so impressive.
Will also discusses Bangladesh's growing fast-bowling depth, including Taskin Ahmed, Nahid Rana, Mustafizur Rahman and Mushfiq Hasan, his experience working with coach Talha Jubair, and why Bangladesh's cricketing development is beginning to produce a more complete Test side.
We also explore the other side of elite cricket, what happens psychologically when a player feels they are playing for their career, why pressure can be reframed as an opportunity, and how Will himself has recently produced one of the most remarkable runs of form of his career.
After captaining teams to four consecutive tournament victories and collecting Player of the Tournament honours across all four, Will reveals one of the most important lessons he has learned about consistency: "If you want to be consistent at something, you have to do everything else consistently."
From preparation, sleep and training habits to mindfulness, visualisation, tactical awareness and trusting yourself under pressure, this episode goes deep into what actually creates repeatable performance.
A conversation about Bangladesh's rise, Australia's response, fast bowling, batting psychology, leadership, pressure and the habits behind sustained excellence.
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:22 Bangladesh beat Australia, was it a shock?
04:04 Darwin conditions and home advantage
07:19 How much do practice games really matter?
11:11 Was Australia complacent?
13:17 Bangladesh's batting technique vs Australia
16:31 Technique, tactics and the mental side of batting
19:13 Why Hasan Mahmud's pace worked
22:56 Talha Jubair and Bangladesh's fast-bowling development 25:15 Bangladesh's fast-bowling depth
27:43 Mehidy Hasan Miraz's tactical brilliance
29:15 Should Bangladesh change a winning XI?
32:50 Jake Weatherald and playing for your career
37:37 Will Bosisto's four tournament wins
41:03 How Will chases under pressure
44:55 The secret to consistency
49:25 Final thoughts, Bangladesh and Will's future
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1 hr 14 min
Ep 39 - From Hoppers Crossing to the Australian Team in 12 Months | How Fawad Ahmed Defied the Odds
Show notes
Fawad Ahmed's journey is one of the most remarkable stories in Australian cricket.
After arriving in Australia as an asylum seeker, Fawad went from playing local cricket at Hoppers Crossing to representing the Australian national team in less than 12 months.
In this episode, we explore the incredible rise, the uncertainty, the pressure, and the mindset that shaped his journey.
Fawad opens up about leaving Pakistan, rebuilding his life in Australia, working survival jobs, finding his way through Melbourne club cricket, and eventually earning the chance to wear the Australian shirt.
We also discuss the craft of leg spin, the influence of Shane Warne, the mental battle of bowling, faith, prayer, blocking out external noise, and what it takes to keep believing when the odds seem stacked against you.
This is a conversation about cricket, survival, faith, identity, resilience, and the inner journey behind performance.
If you enjoy deep cricket conversations that go beyond technique and statistics, make sure to like, comment and subscribe to The Cerebral Cricketer.
#FawadAhmed #AustralianCricket #CricketPodcast #TheCerebralCricketer #CricketAustralia #LegSpin #ShaneWarne #BBL #MelbourneCricket #CricketMindset
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:23 Learning leg spin in Pakistan
02:01 Backyard cricket, tape-ball and early cricket memories
03:16 Shane Warne's influence on Fawad Ahmed
04:20 Choosing leg spin in a fast-bowling culture
06:00 Personality, dressing-room energy and relationships
08:19 Meeting Shane Warne at the MCG
12:14 The advice Shane Warne gave him
13:25 Faith, hardship and arriving in Australia
16:25 Survival mode, halal food and adjusting to a new country
17:58 Fruit picking, fencing work and rebuilding his life
20:46 "Be a man and face it"
23:23 How cricket became a mental recharge
25:58 Did hardship give Fawad an edge?
30:03 Getting dropped, failure and coming back stronger
32:18 From Hoppers Crossing to playing for Australia
33:24 Did Fawad ever visualise playing for Australia?
35:04 Earning respect through performance
39:23 The pressure of playing international cricket
40:00 Bowling the final over against England
42:48 Less than 12 months from Hoppers Crossing to Australia
43:36 What changed from club cricket to the Australian team
48:21 Being Muslim in Australian cricket
50:01 Halal food, fasting and questions from teammates
54:19 Resilience, bad days and accepting hardship
56:00 Prayer, spirituality and blocking out the noise
58:50 Fajr, sleep and four-day cricket
1:04:05 Playing with cricket's biggest names
1:06:02 Pollard, Rashid Khan, Sunil Narine and T20 greats
1:08:15 Virat Kohli's impact on modern cricket
1:10:43 Final reflections
1:13:49 Outro
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1 hr 25 min
Ep 38 - The Coach Behind First-Class Cricketers, Shannon Young on the Psychology of Player Development
Show notes
We are joined by Shannon Young, founder of YoungGun Cricket and CEO of Cricket Performance Lab.
Shannon is a former Richmond Cricket Club Head Coach in Victorian Premier Cricket and has worked across private coaching, Premier Cricket and high-performance pathway environments.
He has helped develop home-grown first-class cricketers and brings a unique perspective on what it actually takes to progress from club cricket to higher levels of the game.
In this conversation, we explore the psychology behind player development, understanding the person behind the cricketer, identifying behavioural patterns, building trust as a coach, and why modern coaching has to go beyond batting technique alone.
We also discuss Cricket Performance Lab, cricket technology, bat fitting, BPI, game education, young talent, Premier Cricket, and what separates talented players from players who are genuinely ready for the next level.
This episode is for cricketers, coaches, parents and serious cricket followers who want to better understand how modern players are developed, both technically and mentally.
#CricketPodcast #ShannonYoung #TheCerebralCricketer #CricketCoaching #PlayerDevelopment #PremierCricket #CricketPerformanceLab
Timestamps
00:00 Intro to Shannon Young
00:57 Shannon's coaching journey
02:00 Players Shannon has worked with
03:05 Cricket Performance Lab and elite players
04:20 Jason Gillespie, Richmond and Glenn Maxwell context
06:00 Premier Cricket's role in developing talent
08:15 Building Richmond's academy model
10:00 Talent, belief and hard coaching
12:30 Standards, fielding and the 1% mindset
15:00 Pressure, trust and giving players ownership
18:10 Identifying and stretching young talent
20:10 Backing youth over established club players
22:00 Talent, environment and decision-making
27:15 The one club approach at Richmond
32:00 Traditional coaching vs modern cricket
33:25 Shannon's traffic light system
35:00 Jake Fraser-McGurk, risk and match-winning talent
39:20 Technique, foundations and power hitting
45:00 Shannon's personal story and coaching philosophy
50:00 Coaching the person behind the player
54:00 Mental performance, self-awareness and pressure
56:10 Neurodiversity, life context and performance
1:00:00 Understanding player responses and the Mitch Perry story
1:06:00 Coaching philosophy beyond technique
1:10:00 Learning from elite players and asking why
1:11:20 Cricket Performance Lab explained
1:14:00 Bat fitting, BPI and the 1% edge
1:17:20 Babar Azam and CPL insights
1:21:20 Final advice for young cricketers
1:22:20 Jake Fraser-McGurk, Glenn Phillips and challenging the game
1:24:10 Outro
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1 hr 16 min
Ep 37 - Tom Scollay from Cricket Mentoring on Why Many Young Cricketers Never Reach Their Potential
Show notes
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, we sit down with Tom Scollay, former professional cricketer for Middlesex and founder of Cricket Mentoring.
Tom shares his journey from growing up in Alice Springs to playing professional cricket in England, including his experiences at Middlesex and Lord's.
We also explore the deeper side of cricket development, including confidence, pressure, mindset, parental influence, preparation and why so many talented young cricketers struggle to reach their full potential.
Tom also breaks down the philosophy behind Cricket Mentoring and its holistic approach to developing players beyond just technique, looking at the technical, tactical, mental, emotional, physical and lifestyle sides of the game.
This conversation is a must-listen for young cricketers, parents, coaches and anyone interested in the mental and emotional side of cricket.
Topics covered:
* Tom's journey from Alice Springs to Middlesex
* Playing professional cricket at Lord's
* Why talent alone is not enough
* The difference between coaching and mentoring
* The mental and emotional side of cricket
* How parents can better support young cricketers
* Why players lose confidence and enjoyment
* Cricket Mentoring's 6 Pillars of Success
* How young cricketers can understand themselves better
Guest: Tom Scollay
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:17 Growing up in Alice Springs
03:00 Falling in love with cricket
06:23 Studying the game before smartphones
07:43 Playing for Northern Territory
09:29 Facing future Australian stars as a junior
11:52 Steve Smith and the viral net session
13:32 Playing against older cricketers
17:17 Moving to Perth and joining Melville
19:05 The move to England and Middlesex
21:55 Hitting 24 in the first over on trial
23:41 Earning a Middlesex contract
24:17 Playing with Eoin Morgan, Chris Rogers and Andrew Strauss
25:22 Playing with freedom and making a statement
38:08 Self-worth, results and young cricketers
40:16 What parents should say after a game
43:03 The danger of forcing your dream onto your child
46:20 Lord's debut, pressure and imposter syndrome
01:03:51 Technique, tactics and the mental side of batting
01:06:08 Cricket Mentoring's 6 Pillars of Success
01:06:57 Facing world-class T20 players
01:14:38 Advice for young cricketers
01:15:31 Outro
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1 hr 14 min
Ep 36 - A Father's Sacrifice, A Son's Belief | The Rise of Australia U19 All-Rounder Aryan Sharma
Show notes
We sit down with Aryan Sharma, an Australia U19 all-rounder and Victorian rookie, for a powerful conversation about cricket, family, belief and the journey towards professional cricket.
Aryan's story is about much more than runs, wickets and selections. Behind his rise through the Australian pathway is a family story built on sacrifice, especially the role of his father, who came to Australia with $500 and spent years driving him to training, games and carnivals without complaint.
Aryan opens up about representing Australia at U19 level, earning a rookie contract with Victoria, learning from elite players in the Melbourne Stars and Victorian environments, and the pressure of trying to build a professional cricket career at a young age.
We also speak about confidence, faith, gratitude, taking positives from difficult situations, handling fear of failure, breathwork, batting with clarity, bowling spin in the modern game, and the mindset required to keep improving.
This was a very honest and grounded conversation with one of the exciting young all-rounders coming through Australian cricket.
Topics covered:
• Australia U19 journey
• Victoria rookie contract
• Family sacrifice and immigrant story
• His father's role in his cricket journey
• Faith, gratitude and belief
• Handling pressure and fear of failure
• Breathwork and staying present
• Confidence as a young cricketer
• Learning from Glenn Maxwell, Marcus Stoinis and the Melbourne Stars
• Batting, spin bowling and becoming a genuine all-rounder
If you enjoyed this episode, please like, comment and subscribe for more long-form conversations on cricket, mindset and performance.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:40 Learning from Glenn Maxwell
04:57 Becoming a genuine all-rounder
06:29 U19 World Cup semi-final pressure
08:22 Breathwork, nerves and clarity
09:59 Learning to bat longer
11:50 Red ball vs white ball mindset
12:56 Good risks vs bad risks
13:30 Aryan's early cricket journey
15:00 Becoming a left-arm spinner
18:57 Virat Kohli's influence
21:15 The viral Boxing Day Test poster
23:31 Faith, gratitude and perspective
27:00 Representing Australia U19s
28:04 His father's sacrifices
31:25 Family support and his sisters
33:06 His father coming to Australia with $500
35:33 U17 carnival and pathway cricket
38:47 Method to the madness
39:22 Confidence and fear of failure
43:03 Dressing room culture
44:07 Playing against future Australia U19 teammates
48:56 Australia U19 debut series against India
51:23 Oliver Peake and teammate success
54:26 Getting a Victoria rookie contract
55:12 No handouts, earning his place
56:44 Chris Rogers' advice
58:06 Melbourne Stars experience
01:01:13 Haris Rauf and facing high pace
01:02:26 Batting clarity and staying still
01:08:09 Breathwork, recovery and professionalism
01:09:52 Downtime, music and Ronaldo
01:13:09 Outro
#Cricket #AryanSharma #AustraliaU19 #VictorianCricket #TheCerebralCricketer #CricketPodcast #CricketAustralia #MelbourneStars #CricketMindset
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1 hr 2 min
Ep 35 – Harjas Singh: From Punjabi Martial Arts to Staying Present, Breathwork & Becoming a NSW Pro
Show notes
We sit down with Harjas Singh, one of the most exciting young left-handed batters in Australian cricket.
Harjas is a 2024 Under-19 World Cup winner, Australia's top scorer in the final against India, the Western Suburbs batter who smashed a record-breaking 314 off 141 balls, and has now earned his first NSW rookie contract.
In this conversation, Harjas opens up about what the NSW rookie contract means to him, how life changes when cricket becomes your profession, and the hard work still ahead as he looks to push towards a full contract and future BBL opportunities.
We also explore one of the most unique parts of Harjas' journey, his background in Sikh/Punjabi martial arts. Harjas explains how training with sticks and swords from a young age helped develop his wrist and arm strength, and how that physical base carries into his batting.
This episode also dives deep into the mental side of the game. Harjas shares how breathwork helps him manage adrenaline, calm his nerves, stay present, and avoid getting caught up in past failures or future outcomes.
He reflects on the mindset shift that helped him enjoy his cricket more, focus on his Monday to Friday preparation, and produce a breakout season in NSW Premier Cricket.
A fascinating conversation on culture, power hitting, breathwork, pressure, staying present, and the journey from junior cricket to becoming a NSW professional.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:36 NSW rookie contract and becoming a pro
03:55 Punjabi martial arts and life outside cricket
08:30 Faith, adrenaline and demonstrations
10:00 How martial arts connects to batting
11:21 Breathwork and controlling nerves
14:02 Staying present and calm
16:10 Batting instincts, zones and the 314 mindset
19:14 Junior cricket, pressure and enjoying the game
22:23 Preparation over outcomes
23:44 Family, Westfields and his dad's influence
28:53 Facing genuine pace and Australia U19 selection
32:40 England U19 debut and Youth Test hundred
38:12 U19 World Cup memories
41:22 World Cup final against India
44:16 Sydney Sixers and learning from elite players
48:57 Breakout Premier Cricket season and adapting formats
52:19 Switching off between balls
54:35 Matchups, T20 batting and grade cricket lessons
57:12 Best players, hardest bowlers and best advice
01:00:10 Advice for young cricketers
01:00:59 Final words
#HarjasSingh #TheCerebralCricketer #CricketPodcast #NSWCricket #SydneySixers #U19WorldCup #AustralianCricket #PunjabiCricket #CricketMindset #BattingTips #Breathwork #CricketTraining
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1 hr 36 min
Ep 34 - NZ International Scott Kuggeleijn on "Why Most Cricketers Don't Truly Know Their Game"
Show notes
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, I'm joined by New Zealand international all-rounder Scott Kuggeleijn for a deep and honest conversation about what it really takes to understand your game.
Scott has represented the Black Caps across all three formats, built an outstanding domestic career with Northern Districts, and been part of elite IPL environments with Chennai Super Kings, Mumbai Indians and Royal Challengers Bangalore.
We dive into the mindset behind his explosive 19-ball fifty in New Zealand first-class cricket, why so many cricketers struggle to truly know their own game, and how players can avoid getting lost in technical overload, bad advice and the pressure to please coaches.
Scott also opens up about his unique bowling action, learning from his father, developing self-awareness as a fast bowler, the worst advice he ever received, and the importance of honest conversations in cricket environments.
We also discuss what it was like being around names like MS Dhoni, Shane Watson, Dwayne Bravo, AB de Villiers, Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Kieron Pollard, Kane Williamson, Daniel Vettori and Shaun Tait, plus the lessons he picked up across the IPL, CPL and other franchise tournaments.
This is a must-watch for young cricketers, fast bowlers, all-rounders, coaches, and anyone interested in the mental side of cricket.
Topics covered:
Scott Kuggeleijn's cricket journey
Growing up with a father who played for New Zealand
His unique catapult-style bowling action
The mindset behind his 19-ball fifty
Why self-awareness matters in cricket
How to handle coaching advice
The danger of overthinking technique
Shaun Tait's advice on bowling fast
Kane Williamson's cricket mind
Inside CSK, Mumbai Indians and RCB
AB de Villiers' humility
Virat Kohli's energy and confidence
Fast bowling tactics and franchise cricket
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Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
00:39 Growing Up In A Cricket Family
01:45 Scott's Unique Bowling Action
05:23 Training For Fast Bowling
07:12 Becoming A Bowling All Rounder
08:04 The 19 Ball Fifty
10:01 The Mindset Behind The Innings
15:31 Why Overcoaching Can Hurt Players
16:27 Being Your Own Best Coach
19:30 Honest Conversations With Coaches
21:38 Why Some Players Get Stuck
28:19 The Worst Bowling Advice He Received
32:00 Knowing What Type Of Bowler You Are
36:22 Simple Mental Cues That Work
37:36 Understanding Your Role In The Team
40:43 Why Fast Bowlers Need Gears
45:28 The Jump To International Cricket
48:20 Shaun Tait's Advice On Bowling Fast
51:38 Kane Williamson And Daniel Vettori
53:24 Champions League T20 Lessons
55:57 Beating Mumbai Indians
58:20 Inside Chennai Super Kings
01:03:25 Why CSK Back Their Players
01:05:24 CSK's Calm Environment
01:06:45 Bowling To KL Rahul And Chris Gayle
01:09:10 Mumbai Indians And RCB Experiences
01:10:45 AB De Villiers' Humility
01:11:43 Virat Kohli's Energy
01:12:42 Franchise Cricket Around The World
01:15:13 The Cutthroat Reality Of Franchise Cricket
01:16:30 Handling Pressure In Professional Cricket
01:19:46 Life Outside Cricket
01:21:18 Test Cricket And England's Bazball Approach
01:26:21 Nathan Lyon, Australia And Steve Smith
01:28:07 Most Impressive Bowlers He Has Seen
01:29:38 Jesse Ryder And Shane Watson
01:32:49 Dutch Roots And Netherlands Cricket
01:34:48 Final Reflections
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1 hr 28 min
Ep 33 - Italy's AJ Mosca on Their Historic World Cup Rise, Belief, Process & His Match-Winning 62*
Show notes
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, Italy international batter AJ Mosca breaks down the journey to Italy's first ever men's T20 World Cup, the mindset behind his match-winning 62 not out against Nepal, and the adjustments needed to succeed at the highest level of the game.
AJ reflects on his cricketing journey from the Sydney grade system to the international stage, and shares how years of refinement, self-awareness and preparation helped shape his game. He opens up about preparing for elite bowling attacks, developing new scoring options against both spin and pace, and learning how to stay clear, composed and decisive in high-pressure moments.
The conversation also explores the mental side of batting, including AJ's in-game process, the idea of flow state, and the importance of trusting your method when the stakes are at their highest. He also speaks powerfully about what Italy's rise meant to him personally, the emotion behind that historic World Cup moment, and why representing Italy alongside his brother made it even more special.
This is a fascinating conversation on mindset, adjustment, identity and performance, and a deep insight into one of the most memorable stories of Italy's rise on the world cricket stage.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:43 Childhood, family and choosing cricket
05:50 Cricket in Rome
07:31 Crazy synthetic wickets
12:40 Early coaches and batting journey
17:46 Reflection and skill development
20:03 Building the baseball swing
23:47 The mental jump to international cricket
27:20 Facing pace and spin at World Cup level
34:07 Four years of World Cup preparation
38:32 The Nepal game plan
43:07 Flow state in the 62*
45:24 AJ's batting process explained
48:44 The emotion behind the celebration
53:44 Facing England with belief
56:00 Sydney grade teammates in Italy's side
01:04:35 Learning from big names in club cricket
01:06:23 Italy's World Cup learnings
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1 hr 12 min
Ep 32 - CODE Sports' Daniel Cherny on Media, Player Narratives & Reality of Professional Cricket
Show notes
What is it really like to live under the microscope as a professional cricketer?
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, I'm joined by Melbourne-based cricket journalist Daniel Cherny for a fascinating conversation on the hidden psychological side of professional cricket.
We explore what high level cricketers have to deal with beyond pure performance, from media scrutiny and social media criticism to selection pressure, public narratives, and the mental toll of being constantly assessed.
Daniel shares insights from years of covering Australian cricket, including how player reputations are formed, why certain narratives stick, how young players adjust to the spotlight, and what journalists observe about pressure that fans often miss.
We also dive into Sheffield Shield cricket, Test cricket culture in Australia, and the evolving environment around elite players in the modern game.
If you're interested in the mental side of cricket, selection dynamics, team culture, and the reality of life under the microscope, this is a must-watch.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:27 How Daniel Cherny got into sports journalism
02:02 Daniel's cricketing background
02:50 His journey from The Age to Code Sports
08:04 Victoria, cricket culture, and journalism
12:28 What makes covering cricket different
17:56 Sheffield Shield crowds and long format interest
21:49 Why Test cricket still dominates in Australia
26:11 Is Sheffield Shield still producing Test players?
33:21 The pressure jump to international cricket
40:32 How narratives stick to cricketers
49:46 How players handle being dropped
56:29 Social media and the mental toll on cricketers
01:02:03 Team culture and the modern Australian setup
01:08:14 Daniel's favourite journalism moments
01:09:39 The player unlucky to miss more Test cricket
01:10:24 Wrap up
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1 hr 38 min
Ep 31 - USA's Shadley van Schalkwyk on the Mindset & Tactical Planning Behind His World Cup Rise
Show notes
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, Shadley van Schalkwyk opens up like never before.
He reflects on growing up in Cape Town, coming through the South African system, losing his contract, and the mindset shift that changed his career.
Shadley speaks honestly about self-belief, failure, faith, God and how his wife's encouragement pushed him to go all in again, including a brutal stretch of 4am gym sessions, highly specific training, and a full year of sacrifice to give himself one more shot at the biggest stage.
He also breaks down the tactical thinking and bowling plans he used at the World Cup against India and Pakistan that helped drive his success.
This is a deep conversation about resilience, process, identity, and what it really takes to keep going in professional cricket.
Topics include:
• Shadley's childhood in Cape Town
• School sport, rugby, and early cricket development
• Losing his contract and rediscovering love for the game
• Self-belief, failure, and the mental side of cricket
• Faith, Belief in God and how it shapes his mindset
• 4am training, sacrifice, and preparation for the World Cup
• How he stayed ready when he was not expected to play
• Lessons from high-level cricket and lifeTimestamps
00:00 Intro and USA cricket
02:31 Growing up in Cape Town
06:49 Sport, failure and early lessons
08:48 Coaching and cricket development
13:41 From wicketkeeper to all-rounder
15:21 First-class debut
23:01 Advice, confidence and self-doubt
27:26 Losing his contract changed everything
32:26 Life lessons from cricket
34:41 Self-belief and handling doubt
42:52 Faith, God and letting go
48:01 First World Cup vs second World Cup
50:51 The 4am training grind
52:48 Redefining his role
56:31 Becoming a thinking cricketer
01:08:07 Recovery and body management
01:10:07 Tactical planning for India
01:20:15 Reflecting on USA's World Cup campaign
01:25:26 World Cup conversations and lessons
01:27:25 Beating Bangladesh before the World Cup
01:28:56 Facing South Africa's best
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1 hr 21 min
Ep 30 - Western Australia's Opener Joel Curtis on the Mindset Behind His Rise in Domestic Cricket
Show notes
We are joined by Western Australia wicketkeeper-batter Joel Curtis for a deep conversation on the mental and technical side of batting and handling self-doubt.
We explore how backyard battles with his older brother shaped his competitiveness, how he developed his game, and the role Cricket Mentoring played in sharpening both his technique and mental approach.
Joel opens up about playing in England, learning to trust his game, and how volume of cricket helped accelerate his development.
He also reflects honestly on the pressure of second XI cricket, making his Sheffield Shield debut, getting a first-ball duck, and the self-doubt that followed, before later scoring his maiden Shield hundred for WA.
If you enjoy cricket conversations that go beyond the surface and explore the mindset behind performance, this one is for you.
Topics include: Joel Curtis, Western Australia cricket, Sheffield Shield, batting mindset, self-doubt, mental routines, wicketkeeper-batsman, grade cricket, Second XI cricket, first-class cricket, domestic cricket, cricket psychology, facing fast bowling, batting technique, cricket development.
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:26 How Joel got into cricket
01:21 Growing up competitive with his older brother
03:41 Was he always a wicketkeeper-batter? 05:49 Learning without a technical coach
07:39 How backyard cricket shaped his batting
10:13 The impact of Cricket Mentoring
12:01 Batting fundamentals for young players
13:21 Why great batters play late
15:59 Does defense still matter in T20 cricket?
17:31 England, freedom and record-breaking runs
22:24 Why England fast-tracked his development
24:22 Grade cricket form and his WA opportunity
28:29 Advice for handling pressure opportunities
29:37 Joel's Sheffield Shield debut
32:48 First-ball duck, self-doubt and bouncing back
35:00 Reflecting on that dismissal and what he changed
36:54 Are Shield conditions harder for batters now?
39:58 The story behind his maiden Shield hundred
42:34 Preparing to face quality pace attacks
44:46 Batting in flow at Junction Oval
47:33 Learning from Mitch Marsh and WA's stars
50:37 How to train for genuine pace
52:57 Joel's batting routine
56:22 Adapting to different batting roles
59:38 MRF Academy, PM's XI and India experience
01:02:40 What India taught him about playing spin
01:04:18 Chasing 320 against Tasmania
01:07:05 Dressing room message during WA's tense chase
01:08:15 Sports psych, meditation and visualization
01:10:19 Handling self-doubt and mental chatter
01:13:21 Toughest bowler he has faced
01:13:58 Batters who impressed him most
01:14:54 His most satisfying innings
01:15:27 Best piece of advice he's received
01:19:12 Balancing work and cricket before his contract
01:20:47 Wrap up
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1 hr 49 min
Ep 29 - ESPNcricinfo's Mohammad Isam Reveals the Crisis Behind Bangladesh Cricket
Show notes
In this episode of The Cerebral Cricketer, we are joined by ESPNcricinfo Bangladesh correspondent Mohammad Isam for a deep conversation on the real state of Bangladesh cricket.
We discuss why Bangladesh continues to produce talented players but struggles to consistently develop world-class cricketers, the impact of BCB politics, poor infrastructure, weak pathways, under-19 dependence, BKSP, coaching, and the cultural issues that continue to hold Bangladesh cricket back.
Mohammad Isam also shares fascinating insights on overlooked cricketers, the rise of players like Rishad Hossain, the role of coaches such as Chandika Hathurusinghe, and why Bangladesh cricket still feels trapped between potential and instability.
This is one of the most honest and in-depth conversations you'll hear on Bangladesh cricket.
Topics include:
- Bangladesh cricket structure
- BCB politics
- BKSP and under-19 cricket
- Why talent gets wasted
- Coaching in Bangladesh cricket
- Rishad Hossain and leg spin
- Domestic cricket problems
- The future of Bangladesh cricket
🎙 About The Cerebral Cricketer Podcast
The Cerebral Cricketer is a coaching led podcast that goes inside the minds of current players, coaches and specialists, focusing on plans, spaces and the mental skills that separate good from world class.
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1 hr 50 min
Ep 28 - Zimbabwe's Brad Evans Reveals His Strategies & Mindset as a Top 10 T20 Bowler in the World
Show notes
Zimbabwe's Brad Evans sits down to unpack the real story behind his rise, from fringe seamer to one of the most effective T20 bowlers in the world.
This is not just highlights and memories, it is a deep dive into the plans, spaces and mental frameworks he uses every time he competes for Zimbabwe.
From that famous last over against Pakistan at the T20 World Cup, to his five for against India in Harare and his Test five for against Afghanistan, Brad breaks down how he thinks about plans, pressure and patience at the highest level.
This conversation is packed with practical lessons for fast bowlers, allrounders and coaches who care about the mental side of the game. 🧠
What we cover in this episode
- Is Brad a naturally cerebral cricketer, and how growing up with Craig Evans shaped his cricket brain
- Why his dad focused on enjoyment, not expectation, and how that protected his mindset
- The Sri Lanka Cricketer camp, training in heat and humidity, and creating a cricket retreat environment
- Low balls and bouncers, elite focus drills, and the coin exercise that changed how he watches the ball
- Understanding spaces and body shapes rather than copying Kohli or Green
- Technical tweaks to movement and alignment, and how posture at the crease shifts intent
- The mindset shift from fearing getting out to seeing himself as a run scorer
- A walk through of the last over vs Pakistan, sticking to his plan after getting hit
- How that game changed how Zimbabwe fans, teammates and Brad himself saw his role
- The India ODI series, dealing with imposter syndrome and taking a five for against a world giant
- Test cricket patience, long spells, and his Afghanistan five for as a reward for discipline
🎙 About The Cerebral Cricketer Podcast
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro and who Brad Evans is
02:00 Is Brad a naturally cerebral cricketer, growing up with Craig Evans
07:00 Dad's philosophy, enjoyment over expectation
11:30 Sri Lanka camp experience and training environment
18:30 Focus on low balls and bouncers, vision and focus drills
27:30 Working with Toby Radford, understanding his game and spaces
37:00 Technical tweaks, movement, balance and batting posture
47:30 Mindset shift, from fearing getting out to scoring runs
58:00 Pakistan T20 World Cup game and build up to the final over
1:07:30 Bowling the last over vs Pakistan, sticking to his plan
1:16:00 Aftermath of that win, change in confidence and perception
1:23:00 India ODI series, five wicket haul and partnership with Sikandar Raza
1:33:00 Test cricket mindset, patience and Afghanistan five for
1:42:00 Key lessons for cricketers and closing thoughts
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1 hr 58 min
Ep 27 - Former NZ Bowling Coach Shane Jurgensen Reveals How to Build a World-Class Pace Attack
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World Renowned Bowling Coach Shane Jurgensen joins The Cerebral Cricketer Podcast to break down the real blueprint behind a world-class pace attack.
Shane shares the practical cues he used with elite quicks, how to build speed without overthinking technique, and the hidden "durability rules" that keep fast bowlers on the park.
He also breaks down the behind-the-scenes strategy work, the bowling group meetings, planning fields to "bowl to your strengths", and using decoy setups when bowling to elite batters like Steve Smith and Virat Kohli.
Shane also unpacks the moments that defined that era, including the World Cup final heartbreak (the "15 for 4" moment that felt like the cup was finally theirs), and what tournament cricket teaches you about momentum, luck, and composure.
We discuss:
- The core idea Shane drills into bowlers: "something creates something", how run-up rhythm shapes action, and action shapes power and control
- A simple external-focus hack to unlock extra pace, including the keeper-glove target and what it did for Kyle Jamieson's speed
- The mindset cue Shane gives his bowlers: "stay calm, play savage", and why every ball is a fresh event
- Why many fast bowlers break down, and the "30% rule" Shane used for Test prep (plus how he monitored workloads across NZ)
- The strength standards behind elite pace, including the squat numbers NZ quicks were hitting, and the forces going through the body at landing
- Prehab habits Shane rates (therabands, medicine ball work) and why they matter for both body and mind
Timestamps
00:00:00 Intro, building a world-class pace attack
00:04:22 Early influences, why wickets matter more than just economy
00:07:29 Coaching simplification, learning from Merv Hughes
00:13:28 Keeper-glove targeting, the drill that helped Kyle Jamieson find extra pace
00:25:50 Playing journey, emotional control, "stay calm, play savage"
00:31:31 Youth Test story, "7 for 4" and what it taught him
00:33:23 Pura Cup final, 11 wickets, long spells, what those days demanded
00:36:09 Workload and injuries, the "30% rule" for Test intensity
00:50:25 Niggles vs real injury, recovery and warning signs
00:52:18 NZ bowling coach (2008–2010), Bond, Martin, Vettori, video and run-up timing
00:56:23 The Vettori camp, run-up mechanics and timing (heel strike vs toes)
01:04:02 Bangladesh stint, adapting bowling plans to conditions and people
01:21:04 Building analysis for the 2019 World Cup, leadership under Kane Williamson
01:22:48 "Decoy fields" and strategy vs Virat Kohli
01:27:15 Semi-final atmosphere in Manchester, bowling partnerships and roles
01:29:15 World Cup final prep at Lord's, plans vs Roy and Bairstow
01:35:48 The "15 for 4" moment, what coaches feel in that chaos
01:42:59 World Test Championship final, nerves and pressure inside the camp
01:44:36 Facing a 16-year-old Steve Smith, plus Warner and Khawaja memories
01:50:05 "Heavy ball" explained, why some bowlers feel uniquely dangerous
01:52:19 The bowler who impressed him most, Matt Henry, training in high-intensity blocks
01:53:13 Why Tom Blundell deserved more white-ball chances
01:54:24 Wrap up, patience, process, and winning over time
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49 min
Ep 26 - Afghanistan Batting Coach Toby Radford Reveals the Secret Blueprint World Class Batsmen Use
Show notes
Afghanistan's newly appointed batting coach Toby Radford joins The Cerebral Cricketer fresh off a win in Dubai, straight after a fast turnaround from the Bangladesh Premier League.
In this episode, Toby breaks down what he looks for in elite batting across formats, from T20 game awareness and middle overs planning, to the technical "non negotiables" he believes most world class players share.
We go deep on alignment, balance, triggers, playing late, soft hands, and the small details that can be the difference between being slightly out of form and back in rhythm.
We also get practical on how those ideas translate in the nets and in match scenarios, Toby talks through the "option + execution" test he uses for every shot, and why T20 scoring can still come from proper cricket shots and low risk areas rather than slogging.
What you'll learn
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How franchise coaching differs from international and county setups, what actually gets coached when players are in and out quickly
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T20 batting on slow turners vs true wickets, how to maximise the new ball and survive the middle overs
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"Option + execution", Toby's simple framework for every shot selection decision
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The alignment blueprint, head over feet, hands close, and why so many dismissals start with posture and early movement
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Triggers that work, triggers that ruin your setup, and how timing your movement changes everything
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Playing late drills, including a simple machine setup that forces better timing and control
Toby Radford is a former first class cricketer for Middlesex and Sussex, who later became Head Coach at Middlesex and Head Coach at Glamorgan.
He has worked internationally as West Indies batting coach, then held senior development roles as Head of High Performance at the Bangladesh Cricket Board and Batting Coach at the Pakistan Cricket Board High Performance Centre.
He has been the Head Coach of Dhaka Capitals and has been appointed Afghanistan's batting coach.
Timestamps
0:00 Intro 0:04 Toby's Afghanistan appointment 0:59 BPL to Dubai turnaround, win vs West Indies 1:34 Franchise cricket pace, what gets coached early 11:13 Option + execution, shot selection framework 15:14 Alignment, the straight line concept 17:19 Balance, head over feet, 60/40 weight cue 18:19 Stance width, white ball vs red ball setups 19:55 Foot movement, head goes first 21:18 Playing late drill, bowling machine setup 23:08 Unorthodox players, still the same fundamentals 27:11 Saif Hassan case study, balance at ball release 33:39 Trigger movement, timing, keep it minimal 38:04 Backlift and toe position, slower vs bouncier pitches 39:59 Coaching the short ball, what good looks like 41:56 Soft hands vs hard hands, shifting gears 45:33 Underrated batters to watch 48:57 Wrap up
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1 hr 34 min
Ep 25 - How Tasmania's Top Order Batter Tim Ward Defied The Odds & Cracked Into Domestic Cricket
Show notes
Tasmania and Hobart Hurricanes top order batsman Tim Ward joins the show to share how he made it into domestic cricket without the "usual" pathway, including missing age group carnivals and using that setback as fuel.
We unpack the NSW to Tasmania move, the rookie contract call, how to adapt your game to T20 cricket and what it took to earn his place in the setup.
Plus, Tim breaks down his notebook method for building innings (first 30 balls, then layers), and a BBL story where "be brave" turned into laps, ramps, and momentum.
This episode explores unseen side of making it, what it feels like when the pathway doesn't pick you, how Tim stayed patient, kept improving, and turned the NSW to Tassie move into a real opportunity.
In this ep:
• Pathway setbacks, and why there are multiple roads
• The decision to leave NSW, and back himself in Tassie
• Simple batting checkpoints, and "bat like George Worker"
• Playing brave in T20, lap and ramp under pressure
Timestamp
00:00 Intro, Tasmania opener Tim Ward 00:00:25 Hurricanes finals vibe, team culture and confidence 00:05:43 White ball prep, being brave, ramps and unconventional shots 00:13:24 Decision making under pressure, using your partner at the crease 00:14:37 Growing up with cricket, early influences 00:23:08 Grade cricket grind, climbing through the levels 00:26:07 203 not out, missing the Under 19 carnival, proving a point 00:31:44 Goal setting, handling low scores, staying honest with yourself 00:39:47 First 30 balls method, "bat like George Worker" mindset 00:44:44 UK stint, adapting to different conditions 00:45:56 Journaling and match prep, building routines 00:54:09 NSW to Tasmania move, rookie contract, breaking into the setup 01:16:59 White ball flexibility, expanding and contracting your game 01:24:20 BBL chase story, dropped Warner, "be brave" and the lap shot 01:29:55 Quickfire wrap up, toughest bowlers, closing thoughts
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