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The Fossil Files

Earth Sciences, Natural Sciences, Science

In "The Fossil Files", a pair of palaeontologists delve into the latest discoveries from the world of palaeontology and seek to bring fossils to back to life. Each episode, Susie and Rob will discuss an interesting new research paper ranging from topics of what dinosaurs ate, how plesiosaurs swam, where we came from, and the science of de-extinction. Whilst doing so, we peek under the hood of how the science of palaeontology is done and how research gets to see the light of day. It is for anybody interested in palaeontology and past life whether that is students, researchers themselves, or simply the fossil-curious - we laugh as we learn, and hope you will too.
Episode guide at https://fossils.libsyn.com/
Bonus content at Patreon https://patreon.com/FossilFiles

Episodes
51
Releases
Every two weeks
Typical length
38 min
On air since
2025
Latest episode
1 day ago

Episodes

51 episodes, newest first

  1. Were Dinosaurs too big to walk? Fake news from Big Palaeo

    Episode 49

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    Were dinosaurs to big to walk? In last episode we looked at some of the science of whether large dinosaurs such as sauropods could cross oceans. This week we look at some of the perhaps… less scientific approaches to dinosaurs swimming; The Aquatic Dinosaur hypothesis contends that dinosaurs would have been too big to walk on land and must have been swimmers. We poor some scorn on this with the help of Dr Darren Naish. We also take a look at some palaeo-drama over interpretations of skin colour in sauropods using fossil melanosomes (i.e. tiny subcellular organelles that contain pigments).The papers discussed this week are "The response to and rejection of Brian Ford's Too Big to Walk, a 21st century effort to reinstate the aquatic dinosaur hypothesis" by Darren Naish published June 2024 in Historical Biology https://doi.org/10.1080/08912963.2024.2421268 And for the sauropod colour "Fossilized melanosomes reveal colour patterning of a sauropod dinosaur" by Tess Gallagher and colleagues published in Royal Society Open Science December 2025 https://doi.org/10.1098/rsos.251232 and the response paper by Valentina Rossi and Maria McNamara "The colour of sauropod skin. A comment on: 'Fossilized melanosomes reveal colour patterning of a sauropod dinosaur', (2025) by Gallagher et al." published in September 2026 https://doi.org/10.1098/rsos.260429 And for those that are really interested, the paper that we didn't have time to get into can be found here https://doi.org/10.1038/srep21138 Wide screen art by Sante Mazzei

    34 min
  2. When Palaeontology Makes the News: How (and how not) to do it [Bonus Preview] Bonus

    Episode 48

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    This is a preview of a bonus episode. Full bonus episodes are available to our Patreon members via https://www.patreon.com/cw/FossilFiles

    Scientists have a responsibility to get their research into the wider world via the media and the press. This is especially true to palaeontologists as we have fortune of working in a field that sparks the imagination of the wider public. But how is this done? In this bonus episode we take a look at the process of how palaeontologists get their work out there, and the relative responsibilities of scientists, press officers and journalists. Along the way we take a look at some remarkable failures of public communication of science and try to learn lessons from them.

    Some of the news stories we discuss, including the Metro, Daily Mail, and The Telegraph,are linked below

    https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/11/this-strange-walrus-lizard-dog-pig-may-hold-the-key-to-saving-us-all-scientists-claim-6992095/amp/

    https://www.dailymail.com/sciencetech/article-2589969/The-520-million-year-old-gentle-giant-Fossil-reveals-bizarre-new-species-whale-ancestor-filtered-plankton.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/04/24/dino-brexit-bizarre-migration-saw-dinosaurs-flood-out-of-europe/

    https://bsky.app/profile/newscientist.com/post/3mi4i4jeuwk2i

    We also took a look at the reporting of this paper from 2009 about the fossil primate Darwinius

    https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0005723

    Wide screen art includes palaeoart of Kongonaphon by Frank Ippolito

    10 min
  3. Could dinosaurs swim across oceans? Part 1

    Episode 47

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    Dinosaurs were massive. No cap. They spread all over the world, but how did they cross oceans? In this episode we ask the question: how far could a dinosaur swim? This isn't just an esoteric question, but one that has a big impact on how we try to reconstruct palaeobiogeography of the Mesozoic and how diversification happens. To do so we look at some new fossil finds from Spain and some weird maths based on rare footage of ostriches swimming and how much fat was on a sauropod.

    This week's papers are

    "Intercontinental evidence of the iconic genus Diplodocus Marsh, 1878 (Dinosauria, Sauropoda)" by Sergio Sánchez-Fenollosa and colleagues published in Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology in Jan 2026 http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/02724634.2026.2718423 and

    "ENHYDROSS: A New Mechanistic Model Supports the Trans-Oceanic Dispersal Capability of Terrestrial Vertebrates" by Alexandros Pantelides and colleagues published in Ecology and Evolution in March 2026 https://doi.org/10.1002/ece3.73280

    Wide screen art by Sante Mazzei

    41 min
  4. Cute fossil babies reveal how mammals evolved live birth

    Episode 46

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    How and when did mammals transition from laying eggs to live birth? The fossil record doesn't typically preserve soft tissues like embryos and placentas making this a tough problem. This week we take a look at two new fossil discoveries that begin to answer the question of mammal evolution, and challenge orthodoxy. A cute baby dicynodont fossil from the Triassic of South Africa is the first mammal to be captured 'in ovo' i.e. inside its egg. Secondly, we discuss a new fossil cynodont from the Triassic of Argentina that might have recorded its growth and birth in its bone histology. Using this we begin to piece together our own evolutionary history and estimate when placental mammals 'got cracking'. Along we way we ask if viviparity evolved twice and whether teenagers can be trusted to go to the shops to get eggs.

    The papers discussed this week are "The first non-mammalian synapsid embryo from the Triassic of South Africa" by Julien Benoit and colleagues published in PLoS One in April 2026 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0345016 and "Early origin of viviparity in the mammalian lineage" by Leandro Carlos Gaetano and colleagues published in Frontiers in Mammal Science https://doi.org/10.3389/fmamm.2026.1845319

    Palaeoart by Sophie Vrard.

    51 min
  5. Are we failing the next generation of palaeontologists? The future of fieldwork [Bonus Preview] Bonus

    Episode 45

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    New finds in palaeontology are dependent on people getting out in the field and digging up fossils, but are the next generation of palaeontologists getting to do that? Opportunities for fieldwork and fieldwork training have become more expensive, which means students might not be getting the training they need. What happens next? In this week's bonus episode, Susie and Rob discuss the importance of fieldwork and whether the next generation of palaeontologists are facing 'an extinction of experience'. We focus on the views of students and early career researchers and ponder what happens to palaeontology if we focus on large scale studies of existing data to the exclusion of digging up new stuff. This is a preview of the full episode available to our Patreon members https://www.patreon.com/cw/FossilFiles

    The main paper discuss in this episode is "#Yourpalaeolife: Interrogating the Status of Fieldwork Among Early Career Palaeontology Researchers" by Harriett Nuttall published in Ecology and Evolution in July 2026 https://doi.org/10.1002/ece3.74032

    We need your support to be able to continue creating The Fossil Files. To get access to exclusive bonus episodes, you can find us on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cw/FossilFiles

    13 min
  6. The sound of a Jurassic forest, recreated using fossils and AI

    Episode 45

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    Sounds play such an important ecological role, but palaeontologists have always had to use their imagination when reconstructing the sound of extinct landscapes: Until now! For the first time a team of scientists have reconstructed the sound of a whole palaeo-community. Using fossil insect wings and some technological approaches to modern animals, the team were able to use physics and AI models to reconstruct the acoustic landscape of a Jurassic forest peppered with the calls of insects. Were the animals avoiding predators or just talking to each other? Listen in and find out.

    This week's paper is "Reconstruction of an extinct soundscape reveals ultrasonic communication in the Jurassic" by Jun-Jie Gu, Fernando Montealegre-Zapata and colleagues published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in August 2026 https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2615107123

    We also provide some updates from previous episodes: #5 "Were Neanderthals the first fossil collectors" updated with Roman findings https://doi.org/10.1017/S0068113X26100749#30 "How can we reconstruct the smell of extinct organisms" smells different using new data from fishes https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2025.3277#25 "A dinosaur covered in porcupine spines & the earliest fossil cloaca" gets a new friend with the discovery of an early mammal cloaca https://doi.org/10.1016/j.isci.2026.116752And the most controversial of all #4 "Is de-extinction a scam?", well it looks more likely given what got left out when the paper finally came out https://doi.org/10.1016/j.xgen.2026.101306

    Widescreen art by Zuo Xiaoran

    37 min
  7. Where did turtles come from?

    Episode 43

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    The origin of turtles has long been a scientific mystery. Not only do they have super weird things going on with their ribs, head, and teeth, but also its unclear if they were more closely related to birds and crocodiles, or snakes and lizards, or something else. This week we take a deep dive into the origin of turtles, terrapins and tortoises, and the process of "turtleization". New data from the important Permian critter Eunotosaurus of South Africa might have now solved that problem of the question: Where did turtles come from?

    This weeks's paper is "The phylogenetic origin of turtles" by Xavier Jenkins and colleagues published in Current Biology in June 2026 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2026.04.070

    Wide screen art by Gabriel Ugeuto.

    48 min
  8. Fake Fossil Fails [Bonus] Bonus

    Episode 42

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    What happens when fossils that have been faked or 'enhanced' end up being used in scientific studies? Why does it happen? How can we spot them? How do researchers, preparators, publishers and museums deal with it? In this bonus episode Susie and Rob take a look at three nightmarish examples of faked fossils that ended up in the scientific literature, and what happened after they were spotted. Our first story is the discovery that the exceptional soft tissues of a famous Permian reptile had actually been painted on, the second of a dinosaur that had been stitched together from multiple fossils that ended up being far more interesting than the fake, and finally a cheetah that was stitched together from fossil, plastic, and plaster, yet still got published.

    This is a preview of our bonus episode. The full episode is available on our Patreon along with lots of other bonus content https://www.patreon.com/cw/FossilFiles

    The papers and sources discussed this week are:

    "Forged soft tissues revealed in the oldest fossil reptile from the early Permian of the Alps" by Valentina Rossi and colleagues published in Palaeontology in February 2024 https://doi.org/10.1111/pala.12690

    "The Archaeoraptor forgery" by Timothy Rowe and colleagues published in Nature in 2001 https://doi.org/10.1038/35069145 with additional information from Benjamin Gutierrez https://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/archaeoraptor/

    "A primitive Late Pliocene cheetah, and evolution of the cheetah lineage" by Per Christiansen and Ji Mazák published in PNAS in 2009, retracted 2012 https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.0810435106 with important extra research and context from Retraction Watch https://retractionwatch.com/2012/08/20/author-retracts-pnas-about-alleged-pliocine-cheetah-fossil-that-had-been-questioned/

    20 min
  9. Were dinosaurs eating fruit? Cretaceous Plant Power

    Episode 41

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    As well as tasting good, fruit play a really important role in ecosystems across the world. But when did they evolve? Were dinosaurs eating them and dispersing them? In a fossil files first, we take a look at the evolution of plants, in particular the centuries long mystery of how and when the flowering plants (angiosperms) got going. A newly described site in New Mexico yields large and varied fleshy fossil fruits which upend how we think about Cretaceous ecosystems. The fossil fruits and seeds are orders of magnitude bigger than other Cretaceous fruit, indicating an active role of animals in their consumption and dispersal in complex forest environments. We also take a look at the story from pollen to reconstruct how and when angiosperms diversified, potentially in two pulses in the Cretaceous and after the Cretaceous. Plant Power!

    The papers we look at this week are "Diversification of angiosperm reproductive strategies predated the end-Cretaceous extinction" by Jiamen Lee from Berkley and colleagues published Science in June 2026 https://doi.org/10.1126/science.adw9457, "Pulsed evolution shaped extant angiosperm pollen disparity" by Yang Luo from Kunming and colleagues published in Nature Communications in January 2026 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-025-68253-8, and "Integrated analysis of fossils and molecular divergence time estimates a latest Jurassic origin of angiosperms" by Ruolin Wu from Bristol and colleagues published in Nature Plants in June 2026 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41477-026-02311-x

    Wide screen art by Brian Engh.

    You can support The Fossil Files and access bonus via our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cw/FossilFiles

    45 min
  10. The weird case of a whale necropolis, sat at the bottom of an ocean trench for 5 million years

    Episode 40

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    The deep sea environment holds many mysteries but yields hardly any fossils. A new mindblowing finding at the bottom of the Indian ocean challenges the way we think about life in the deep and the nature of palaeontology. In 2023, a Chinese submersible exploring a 6km deep trench found 476 fossil cetaceans. These extinct whale fossils were covered with life forms previously unknown to science, and what's more, the fossils ranged in age from recent to 5 million years old. How did they get there? Why so many? Can fossils really accumulate in the same place for 5 million years, and just…. sit there?

    This week's paper is "A 5.3-million-year-old deep-sea whale necropolis in the Diamantina Zone" by Xiaotong Peng and colleagues, published in Nature in June 2026 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-026-10546-z

    Wide screen includes picture from Global Trend.

    44 min
  11. How to become a palaeontologist: Finding and applying for PhDs

    Episode 39

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    Studying for a PhD is in an important step towards becoming a scientist, but the process of finding and applying for a PhD programme is mysterious and inaccessible. In this bonus episode Susie and Rob discuss some tips and ideas to demystify the process. Is a PhD right for you? How do you find the right supervisor and project? What are universities looking for in your application? What questions are you going to face in the interview? This a preview of our bonus episode, the full episode can be found on our Patreon. For further related content, check out our episode "How to become palaeontologist" (#26).

    22 min
  12. The hunt for the first-ever animals, with Emily Mitchell

    Episode 38

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    Where, when, and how did the animals first appear? The fossil record holds some tantalising insights from well-preserved sites in Canada, Australia, Russia (and Leicester). This week we are joined by Dr Emily Mitchell of the University of Cambridge to discuss how to find these fascinating Ediacaran fossils, what they mean, and how they evolved. Did they move? Were they left-handed? Did they have sex? Where are they hiding? This is a story that includes lasers, school children, lichens, and bees.

    The papers discussed this week are "Earliest evidence of behavioural handedness in the Ediacaran motile bilaterian Spriggina floundersi" by Scott Evans and colleagues published in Science Reports in July 2026 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-026-53857-x, and "Discovery of White Sea assemblage fossils from Laurentia" by Scott Evans and colleagues published in Science Advances in May 2026 https://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.aed9916

    We also continue of our discussion of last episodes's paper, "The influence of reproductive mode on resource competition and diversity patterns in Ediacaran early animal communities" by Emily Mitchell and Andrea Manica published in Nature Ecology and Evolution in June 2026 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41559-026-03094-2

    37 min
  13. Did a lack of sex hold back the evolution of the first animals?

    Episode 37

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    The first animals turned up in the Ediacaran as simple frond-like organisms that didn't do much of anything. Why was this Pre-Cambrian 'Avalonian biota' so static and boring for 12-20 million years before animals started diversifying, moving and becoming more complex? This week we look at a new paper that reconstructs the ecology of the early Avalonian biota, in particular their sexual and and asexual reproductions strategies. To try and figure out what kind of sex these organisms were (or weren't) having, we need to do turn to some interesting maths based on their locations of the fossil surface. This unlocks all sorts of interesting evolutionary dynamics, potentially explaining how animals started to diversify after increasing sexual reproduction and competition in an increasingly dynamic and changeable environment. Life needed chaos! (and sex).

    This week's paper is "The influence of reproductive mode on resource competition and diversity patterns in Ediacaran early animal communities" by Emily Mitchell and Andrea Manica published in Nature Ecology and Evolution, published June 2026 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41559-026-03094-2

    We also mention another paper by Scott Evans (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aed9916) and the story of the discovery of the Ediacaran fossils in Charnwood fossil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Negus

    Wide screen art by Hugo Salais.

    49 min
  14. Why did T. rex have such small arms? Revealed

    Episode 36

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    Tyrannosaurus rex is perhaps the most famous dinosaur and maybe even the most famous fossil animal. It has long been a source of curiosity as to why is has such small arms though. What could the possible function be? This week we take a look at a new paper has taken a quantitative approach to this age long-thorny problem to investigate the evolutionary changes that might have led to such unusual anatomy. Indeed it happened not just one, but five times in the theropods. Let's find out why and how!

    This week's paper is "Drivers and mechanisms of convergent forelimb reduction in non-avian theropod dinosaurs" by Charlie Scherer and colleagues published in Proceedings of the Royal Society in May 2026. https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2026.0528

    Wide screen art by Arvalis/Saurian.

    48 min
  15. Digging for dinosaurs and the battle against poaching: Susie reports from the field [Preview] Bonus

    Episode 35

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    Digging up dinosaur fossils is a complicated and unpredictable business. But how does it feel to be one of the scientists on the ground doing the exploring? What can you do when you are in a race to find dinosaur fossils before they are extracted and lost to the black market? In this episode Susie is in the field in Morocco to report the trials and tribulations of the team's dino hunting seasons. She takes us on a journey from exciting new dinosaur finds, disappointing setbacks when their quarry was raided, and their work with the local and national authorities to get the site protected for future generations. This is a preview of one of our bonus episode, the full version of which is available on our patreon for subscribers https://www.patreon.com/cw/FossilFiles

    In this episode we hear from the team which includes Ahmed Oussou and Kawtar Ech-Charay of Sidi Mohamed Ben Abdellah University Fez, Richard Butler from the University of Birmingham, and Simon Wills and Pim Kaskes from the Natural History Museum London.

    You can find out more about Susie's work in episode 9, "The Spicomellus special".

    10 min
  16. The Fossil Files is one year old: The best bits so far

    Episode 34

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    The Fossil Files is one year old! Thank you everbody for your support! To mark the occasion, Susie and Rob take a look back at the last year and put together some of their favourite moments to highlight the best of The Fossil Files (so far)

    The episodes covered are:

    Episode 10. Fossil Fails: A Precambrian beehive and dinosaurs on the moon (September)

    Episode 3. Is de-extinction a scam? (July)

    Episode 6. Where did Pterosaurs come from? (August)

    Episode 12. Cretaceous zombie ants (October)

    Episode 9. The Spicomellis special (September)

    Episode 5. Were Neanderthals the first fossil collectors? (July)

    Episode 19. Dinosaurs were doing fine (before the asteroid), with Steve Brusatte (December)

    Episode 17. AI & the future of palaeontology (December)

    Episode 2. Dinosaur poos from Poland (June)

    Episode 20. Back-breaking and baby making, the disturbing bedroom habits of hadrosaurs (January)

    Episode 28. How to get a Species of Human Named after you (March)

    Episode 32. Were giant super intelligent octopuses the top predators of the Cretaceous? (May)

    34 min
  17. The Mysterious Devonian Giant that may be an unknown branch of life

    Episode 33

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    400 million years ago, before the rise of forests, the land was covered in mossy carpets, loomed over by weird 8 meter tall columns called Prototaxites. These weird giants have long been thought to be some sort of fungus body, slowly digesting rotting matter. A new paper has taken a detailed look at some well preserved fossils from the Devonian of Scotland and reveals that this enigmatic giant wasn't a fungus, wasn't a plant, wasn't an animal, and wasn't a bacterium... it was something else. This week Susie and Rob take a look at the strange world of the Devonian giant Prototaxites and speculate what it might, or might not, have been. In other fungus news, we also take a look at a paper using fungal microfossils to suggests that dinosaur extinction could have been a multi-phase event, before and after the asteroid impact at the end of the Cretaceous.

    The main paper discussed this week is "Prototaxites fossils are structurally and chemically distinct from extinct and extant Fungi" by Corentin Loron and colleagues from the University of Edinburgh, published in Science Advances in January 2026 https://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.aec6277

    The other paper is "Fungal proliferation before and after the Cretaceous–Paleogene mass extinction event in North America" by Rosanna Baker and colleagues published in PNAS in May 2026 Fungal proliferation before and after the Cretaceous–Paleogene mass extinction event in North America https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2536899123

    Wide screen art by M Humpage

    41 min
  18. Were giant super intelligent octopuses the top predators of the Cretaceous?

    Episode 32

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    Cretaceous oceans have long been accepted as a dangerous place full of massive mosaurs and other predators. Now some new fossils from Japan have upended this with the suggestion that the "top dog" was not any vertebrate, but instead giant octopuses that were far larger than any invertebrates alive today. This has generated a lot of Kraken related headlines (and social media posts), but is everything as it seems? This week Susie and Rob take a look at these claims and ask: were super intelligent giganto-octopuses the top predators in Cretaceous? Get your salt shaker to hand, because you mind need to take it with a pinch of salt.

    This weeks paper is "Earliest octopuses were giant top predators in Cretaceous oceans" by Shin Ikegami and colleagues published in Science in April 2026 https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aea6285

    Another paper mentioned is "Synchrotron data reveal nautiloid characters in Pohlsepia mazonensis, refuting a Palaeozoic origin for octobrachians" by Thomas Clements and colleagues, published in Proceedings of the Royal Society B in April 2026 https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2025.2369

    Widescreen art by HodariNundu

    45 min
  19. Aliens burning coal? [bonus preview]

    Episode 31

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    Are we alone? For decades a global effort has been made to search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), but have we been looking in the wrong place? A new paper suggests that we should be looking for advanced technological civilizations that had access to coal as this was an important energy rich source enabling industrialisation. In this bonus episode, Susie and Rob take a look at the geological, palaeontolological and evolutionary implications of the seach for coal burning aliens.

    This week's paper is "How common are oxygenic photosynthesis and large coal deposits on exoplanets?" by Lincoln Taiz and colleagues, published in the International Journal of Astrobiology in January 2026.

    Widescreen art by NASA/SETI.

    9 min
  20. How can we reconstruct the sense of smell of extinct organisms?

    Episode 30

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    Smell defines so much of animal's life from finding a mate, to tracking down food sources and avoiding predators. Genetics and behaviour can offer us rich insights for modern organisms, but what about extinct organisms? How did they smell and what was their ecology? This week we take an interesting paper that has found evolutionary links between the endocasts of mammal brains and genetic markers for their 'smellability'. The authors explore how we can use this relationship to infer the smelling habits of sabre toothed cats and giant armadillos, and to reconstruct the evolutionary origins of whales. Get sniffing!

    This week's paper is "The olfactory bulb endocast as a proxy for mammalian olfaction" by Quentin Martnez and colleagues published in PNAS in December 2025 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2510575122 We also briefing mention another paper about Cambrian critters in the Ediacaran by Li et al https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adu2291

    36 min