Podcast
The Lift: Executive Leadership for Organizational Change
For CEOs and senior executives, and the leaders they're counting on to make change happen.
Host Ben Brooks is himself a CEO, working with other CEOs and their executive teams after a career as an SVP of HR, a management consultant, and an executive coach. Each week, he brings his own experience and a network of accomplished leaders.
You challenge your team, your peers, your board. But who challenges you? Very few people feel safe bringing bad news to a senior executive, or telling one they're wrong. So the best ones go find that challenge somewhere else. That's what this is.
The Lift is a weekly show about leadership and organizational change, and what jams up executives trying to drive the performance expected of them: why the obviously right thing is so maddeningly hard to get an organization to actually do, and how to get it moving.
Knowing what to do is rarely the problem. What gets in the way is the how, and the why it isn't happening: the politics, the emotions, the past, the misalignment, the fear, the sheer complexity of changing something this big.
The Lift is a conversation, and the issues we take on come from the executives we work with every day. Real things real leaders have not figured out yet. How to drive real accountability without damaging the relationship. How to get more conflict into the room, not less. How to get your leaders upgrading talent before they're forced to. How to stay committed to a vision that will take years. Why your managers are worse than your engagement scores say.
You probably don't have time for another conference or three-day program, and you know how those go: you come back fired up, and three weeks later, nothing has changed. This is thirty minutes a week, on a commute or between meetings. A habit, not an event.
The focus of change is the organization. The agent of change is you. Listen for yourself first, then share it with your team.
- Episodes
- 42
- Releases
- Weekly
- Typical length
- 37 min
- On air since
- 2025
- Latest episode
- 17 hours ago
Episodes
42 episodes, newest first
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43 min
HBS’ Dr. Amy Edmondson on building teams that learn from failure instead of hiding it
Episode 41
Show notes
Roger Federer only wins 54% of the points he plays. And yet, he wins 80% of his matches. The gap between those two numbers is proof that failure isn’t the opposite of winning; it’s part of the formula.
Dr. Amy Edmondson has spent her career proving exactly that — and she’s here to help leaders stop running from failure and start designing for it.
Topic Highlights:
— Why psychological safety was never about comfort
— Why “fail fast” is missing the point
— The Alan Mulally moment: what happens when every status report is green while the company loses $17 billion
— Stop, challenge, choose: the three-step framework for staying regulated when things go sideways
— Why Dr. Amy reframes the postmortem entirely (and what she calls it instead)
Guest Bio:
Dr. Amy Edmondson is the Novartis Professor of Leadership at Harvard Business School, the person who popularized the concept of “psychological safety” at work, and has been ranked the #1 management thinker in the world.
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43 min
Stop announcing, start persuading: Getting commitment over compliance with Dr. Jay Conger
Episode 40
Show notes
Most leaders think persuasion is a pitch. Jay Conger has spent his career proving it’s something else entirely — and that the difference explains why most major change initiatives quietly fail.
Jay grew up watching his father host world leaders from Queen Elizabeth to Nikita Khrushchev as a deputy at the State Department. Those dinner table stories became the foundation for a career studying what actually makes people follow you.
Topic Highlights:
– Why compliance gets you through the quarter and can cost you your best people first
– How one unscripted moment can build or destroy your reputation faster than any strategy deck
– The move that separates leaders who get commitment from those who only get compliance
– How to persuade a skeptic without arguing via the small-pilot approach
Guest Bio:
Jay Conger is a professor at the McKenna School of Business at Claremont McKenna College and one of the world’s leading researchers on leadership, influence, and persuasion. He has advised executives and organizations across industries for decades.
Episode Links:
The Persuasive Leader (Jay’s book)
Busting Three Common Myths of Change Management (Bain study)
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38 min
Align on The Why: Change leadership as a family adventure story with Katie and Billy Kim
Episode 39
Show notes
Just a couple months ago, Katie and Billy Kim packed up their lives in New Jersey — two careers, two kids, and a mortgage — and moved to Korea.
To make it happen, they navigated a year-long project involving six trips to the South Korean consulate, an unexpected citizenship complication, a possible military draft, a cancer diagnosis, and ultimately, the realization that fear and inconvenience are the worst reasons to not make something happen.
Topic Highlights:
– Why Katie first shut down the idea of moving across the world – and what changed her mind
– The consulate saga that almost derailed everything
– The “excuse test”: how to tell whether something is a real constraint or just discomfort
– The three things the Kims agreed on before they even booked a flight and why most teams only get one of them right
– Why a shared “why” matters more than a perfect plan when things don’t go as expected
Guest Bio:
Katie Kim is a marketing executive and former VP of Global Marketing at MillerKnoll. Billy Kim is an independent investor and the family’s designated maverick.
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43 min
Holding your team accountable without burning the relationship with OPENLANE EVP James Coyle
Episode 38
Show notes
Your manager has been telling you for three years that your work is excellent. Then one day you're let go. Nobody saw it coming except the person who signed your reviews. James Coyle has watched this play out more times than he can count. His take: that's not a performance problem. That's a leadership failure.
Topic Highlights:
– Why avoiding the hard conversation is always more expensive than just having the hard conversation
– The ethos behind the “tell me how people get paid” principle
– What basketball taught James about self-awareness (and why most players always think they're one of the best two on the team)
– The three-bucket framework for deciding what to do with underperformers
– The difference between an average employee and a great employee
Guest Bio:
James Coyle is the EVP, President Marketplace of OPENLANE, a leading digital marketplace for wholesale vehicles, and a former senior leader at Amazon during its most aggressive growth years.
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How To Fire People Properly: When Waiting Too Long Goes Wrong
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46 min
The Points Guy, Brian Kelly: You’ve done enough research, now make the decision
Episode 37
Show notes
You know the feeling of researching a hotel for three hours and still not booking it? The Points Guy Brian Kelly has made a career out of knowing exactly when to stop doing research – on flights, on investments, on the decision to quit your job – and just make it happen. For Brian, it's about knowing when you have enough information to move.
Topic Highlights:
– How Brian made the biggest decision of his life with no mentor, no banker, and no blueprint
– Why the worst-case scenario you're afraid of almost never exists
– What corporate boardrooms and bad travel decisions have in common
– How to take a great leap without burning the bridge you might need later
– Why he thinks many executives aren't using AI enough to see what's coming
Guest Bio:
Brian Kelly is the founder of The Points Guy, New York Times bestselling author of How to Win at Travel, and one of the most-visited travel media personalities in the world.
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42 min
It's all about management, baby: The unglamorous skill that determines everything else
Episode 36
Show notes
Ben Brooks usually asks the questions. This week, he's the guest, and The Lift's Executive Producer, Steph Colbourn, takes the host chair to dig into the nitty-gritty of management.
Leadership gets the TED Talks while management gets the eye rolls. But here's the inconvenient truth: 70% of the employee experience is determined by one thing - the quality of their manager. Problem is, we've been talking around management for years.
Topic Highlights:
– The Pilot Six: Ben’s framework to define what good management actually looks like
– Why “getting promoted to manager” is too often Latin for “I'll make more money” but no one tells you about what you're actually signing up for
– The story behind the employee who stuffed papers between the keys of Ben's keyboard just to get his attention
– What Ben's own 360 feedback revealed about where he's still a mediocre manager (and what he's doing about it)
Guest Bio:
Ben Brooks is a leadership strategist, career innovator, executive coach, founder of PILOT, and host of The Lift. He loves traveling, making new friends, and of course, his dog, Jetson.
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41 min
Former Trump appointee Rob Powelson on making an unpopular call when everyone around you is pushing back
Episode 35
Show notes
What do you do when the President of the United States, the Senate majority leader, the Secretary of Energy, and an army of lobbyists all want you to say yes – and your answer is no? Robert Powelson has been in that exact position.
In this conversation, Rob shares what it actually costs to hold the line – and, what it buys you.
Topic Highlights:
– What Rob said in a three minute 4th of July phone call with the Pennsylvania governor that upended the pressure campaign around Uber
– Why Rob, a lifelong Republican, voted to kill the Trump administration's coal bailout proposal
– Why the invisible infrastructure holding your daily life together is more vulnerable than most people realize
– What it means to spend your credibility wisely when you only have a finite amount
– The relationship habit Rob credits for leaning on in the face of the toughest calls
Guest Bio:
Rob Powelson is President & CEO of the National Association of Water Companies and a former member of President Trump's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
Episode Links:
National Association of Water Companies
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19 min
Close the loop: Incompletions are why everything you haven't finished is draining you (and your company)
Episode 34
Show notes
Ben went to Salzburg for two weeks of “pure PTO” vacation. He ended up spending the first day and a half locked in a hotel room, heart rate elevated, surrounded by sticky notes.
In today’s episode, we cover incompletions: the tasks that haven't been done, the conversations that haven't happened, the decisions still open. And why they are probably quietly costing you, your coworkers, and your organization more than you realize.
Topic Highlights:
– What "attention residue" is and why your brain stays at work long after you've left the building.
– Why incompletions don't just drain you personally – they quietly stall entire organizations.
– What being on the receiving end of someone else's incompletion actually does to them.
– The 20-minute microdose you should take before any vacation, big deadline, or leadership transition.
Guest Bio:
Ben Brooks is a leadership strategist, career innovator, executive coach, founder of PILOT, and host of The Lift. He loves traveling, making new friends, and of course, his dog, Jetson.
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40 min
How to navigate conflict at work: Harvard Business Review’s Amy Gallo on leaning into hard conversations
Episode 33
Show notes
When was the last time someone on your team told you something you didn't want to hear? If you have to think about it, you have your answer.
Too many leaders have spent their entire careers avoiding conflict, and now they're running teams where nobody tells them anything useful, nothing real gets decided, and everyone is very, very pleasant about it.
According to Amy Gallo, this isn't harmony – it's dysfunction with better manners.
This is one of our favorite episodes from earlier this year. It originally aired on May 19, 2026.
Topic Highlights:
– Why the cost of staying silent is almost always higher than the cost of speaking up
– The "eight-lane highway to harmony" metaphor about conflict avoidance
– How AI is quietly making us worse at disagreeing with real humans
– The important difference between being liked and being respected
– The practice of "conversational receptivity"
Guest Bio:
Amy Gallo is an expert on workplace conflict and feedback, a contributing editor at Harvard Business Review, and the author of Getting Along: How to Work with Anyone (Even Difficult People).
Episode Links:
Getting Along: How to Work with Anyone (Even Difficult People)
The Five Dysfunctions of a Team
Conflict at Work: How to Have the Hard Conversation You’ve Been Avoiding
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35 min
Are you getting your money's worth from your HR function? Part 2 with HR Happy Hour’s Trish Steed & Steve Boese
Episode 32
Show notes
Have you ever had this thought? “I have an HR problem. They’re too slow. Too reactive. Too focused on process and compliance.”
Here's an uncomfortable possibility: the HR you're complaining about may just be the HR you bought.
If you've only ever funded HR for compliance and recruiting, don't be surprised when that's all you get. Part two in our series about getting the most out of your HR function is about what you're responsible for as a business leader, and how to fix it when it’s broken.
Topic Highlights:
– The HR-to-employee ratio you should be targeting
– How to make the case to a CFO who only cares about EBITDA
– The three questions to ask to find out if you've got a real HR partner
– Why AI is the best argument for investing more in HR, not less
Guest Bio:
Trish Steed is CEO and principal analyst at H3 HR Advisors, and a former HR executive across Big Four, healthcare, and IT. Steve Boese is an H3 HR co-founder and a program chair of the HR Technology Conference.
Episode Links:
Part 1: The Hidden Weight of HR
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31 min
The hidden weight of HR - Part 1: HR Happy Hour’s Trish Steed & Steve Boese on the cost of underusing your HR team
Episode 31
Show notes
Most executives think of HR as an order window. Fire this person. Hire that one. Fix the culture. Improve the managers. But underneath that fictional menu is a function absorbing things no one ever puts on a report: the weight of every employee's hardest moments, handled quietly, while still being expected to move the business forward.
In part one of this two-part conversation, we pull back the curtain on what HR actually carries.
Topic Highlights:
– Why treating HR like an order menu is the most expensive mistake executives make
– What HR partnership actually looks like
– The value of involving HR in strategy upfront
– Why shifts in employee output might not be about performance
– The most underused resource in your benefits package
Guest Bio:
Trish Steed is CEO and principal analyst at H3 HR Advisors, and a former HR executive across Big Four, healthcare, and IT. Steve Boese is an H3 HR co-founder and a program chair of the HR Technology Conference.
Episode Links:
From Worst to First by Gordon Bethune
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23 min
Don’t chase the wave you missed: Overcoming complacency with Cisco’s Snorre Kjesbu
Episode 30
Show notes
Complacency doesn't feel like standing still. It feels like winning. Right up until it doesn't.
That's the trap Snorre Kjesbu has spent his career trying to help his organization escape. As SVP & GM of Collaboration at Cisco, he runs a multi-billion dollar business, holds 20+ patents, and is blunt about where this ends: companies that stop pushing themselves don't just slow down. They go out of business.
Topic Highlights:
– The window of opportunity: why being four years too early costs you just as much as being four years too late
– Why chasing the wave you missed is a losing game (and what to do instead)
– The four questions every leader should ask every quarter to stay ahead of complacency
– What an effective “AI forward” team actually looks like
Guest Bio:
Snorre Kjesbu is SVP & GM of Collaboration at Cisco and holder of 20+ patents.
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34 min
Honesty at Work 101: What being an FBI informant taught Tom Hardin about creating a culture of truth
Episode 29
Show notes
Tom Hardin was a rising hedge fund analyst making good money in New York City when he decided to make a few trades on inside information.
Then the FBI tailed him at 6:30 AM outside his dry cleaner. In the 18 months that followed, he wore a wire more than 40 times as an informant in the largest insider trading investigation in US history.
What he learned about getting people to finally share what they've been hiding is something no management book has ever taught.
Topic Highlights:
– The three meeting sequence that gets people to stop performing and start telling the truth
– The 10/80/10 model and why the 80% in the middle will follow what the leading 10% does
– How unclear goals create the conditions for ethical drift without anyone noticing
– Why not understanding the difference between a mistake and a bad decision is often how cover-ups start
Guest Bio:
Tom Hardin is “Tipper X,” the FBI's most prolific cooperating informant in Operation Perfect Hedge, and the author of Wired on Wall Street.
Episode Links:
Wired on Wall Street by Tom Hardin
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20 min
Self-advocacy: The most important rule that nobody teaches you with Ben Brooks
Episode 28
Show notes
Just Ben this week. In our very first solo episode, we go deep on the topic Ben has been teaching inside every PILOT cohort since day one, the one that shows up in almost every coaching conversation he has, the one that he considers the single biggest unlock in a career: self-advocacy.
Knowing what you need, knowing how to ask for it specifically, and being willing to hear no – and knowing when and how to ask again.
Topic Highlights:
– Why the current moment makes self-advocacy more urgent, not less
– The fear of rejection reframe: why if you haven't been told no recently, you're probably not asking enough
– What a specific, “shovel-ready” ask looks like
– The information asymmetry most people miss: your manager almost certainly doesn't know what you need
– The secret menu: why your career’s has more options on it than the one you've been ordering from
Guest Bio:
Ben Brooks is a leadership strategist, career innovator, executive coach, the founder of PILOT, and host of The Lift. He loves travel, making new friends, and of course, his dog, Jetson.
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37 min
Replay: How Michael Miller uses meditation to reduce stress and gain time
Episode 27
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“Running is my meditation.” Michael Miller hears this a lot.
His response: “Knitting is my rock climbing.”
If you've been telling yourself exercise counts as meditation, this is the episode that gently, convincingly, changes your mind.
Topic Highlights
– The three types of meditation and why the one most leaders try is the hardest and least effective
– How a 20-minute practice twice a day can actually give you more time back, not less
– The difference between being a net giver and a net taker (and why it starts with your nervous system, not your calendar)
– Why Vedic meditation was specifically designed for people with jobs, families, and actual responsibilities
Guest Bio
Michael Miller is the founder of New York Meditation Center and London Meditation Centre, a Vedic meditation teacher with nearly 10,000 students worldwide, and the person who taught Ben to meditate 15 years ago.
Episode Links:
Meditation for Busy Leaders: How Michael Miller Uses Vedic Practice to Reduce Stress and Gain Time
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36 min
Replay: Helen Tupper on “squiggly careers,” vulnerability and why learning IS the job
Episode 26
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Most senior leaders got to where they are by being the expert. But Helen Tupper has research showing that the moment you start thinking of yourself as an expert is the exact moment you stop growing.
If you've been coasting on competence, or are quietly terrified of being a beginner again, this episode is for you.
Topic Highlights
– How expertise quietly kills curiosity, and what to do before it happens to you
– Why the career ladder is a limiting model for both individuals and organizations
– The “mistake moments” team practice that makes vulnerability a daily habit
– The “What? So what? Now what?” reflection loop that turns any meeting into a learning engine
Guest Bio
Helen Tupper is the CEO of Amazing If, an award-winning company with a mission to make squiggly careers better for everyone. She is the co-author of The Squiggly Career and Learn Like a Lobster.
Episode Links:
Lead Like a Learner: Helen Tupper on “Squiggly Careers” and the Power of Vulnerability
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35 min
Replay: Margaret Andrews on managing yourself to better lead others
Episode 25
Show notes
Ask almost any leader if they're self-aware and most will say yes. But research shows only 15% actually are. That gap – between who we think we are and how others experience us – is where most leadership development needs to start.
Unfortunately, it almost never does.
Margaret Andrews, who has spent two decades teaching this at Harvard, is here to help close the gap.
Topic Highlights
– Why the best boss you ever had probably wasn't (always) the smartest person in the room
– Six questions that reveal more about your leadership than any 360 assessment will
– The difference between changing your personality (you can't) and changing your behavior (you absolutely can)
– Why “if you want to change how people think, you have to change how they feel” is the most underused insight in leadership development
Guest Bio
Margaret Andrews is a Harvard executive education professor, founder of The MYLO Center, and author of Manage Yourself to Lead Others.
Episode Links:
Manage Yourself to Lead Others
Managing yourself first: Margaret Andrews on self-awareness and leadership
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37 min
How to fire people properly - Part 2: The logistics of letting someone go with James Bryton and Dr. Dennis Davis
Episode 24
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“You're not a good fit.”
“The company's going in a different direction.”
Every manager thinks these phrases are legally safe. But according to attorney James Bryton, they're basically an engraved invitation to a lawsuit. And a lot could be avoided if leaders took a different approach to letting people go.
This is part two of our two-part series about letting people go with empathy and dignity.
Topic Highlights:
– The “middle lane” of firing and why it's where most separations actually belong
– Why “not a good fit” is one of the most legally dangerous things you can say in a termination meeting
– The thoughtful approach to choreography for letting someone go
– Why how a termination ends matters more than almost everything that preceded it
Guest Bio:
Dr. Dennis Davis is a clinical psychologist and national training director at Ogletree Deakins. James Bryton is Of Counsel at Littler Mendelson, the world's largest employment law firm, and a former civil rights litigator.
Episode Links:
How to fire people properly - Part 1: When waiting too long goes wrong
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38 min
How to fire people properly - Part 1: When waiting too long goes wrong with Dr. Dennis Davis
Episode 23
Show notes
Most leaders know when someone isn't working out, for months – sometimes years. So why does it take so many of them so long to do anything about it? Dr. Dennis Davis has a theory, and it has a lot more to do with the manager than the employee.
This is part one of our two-part series about letting people go with empathy and dignity.
Topic Highlights:
– The real cost of the “performing-at-35%-is-better-than-zero” rationalization
– Why the "myth of niceness" is actually the least kind thing a manager can do for an underperformer
– The skill/will matrix: a simple diagnostic tool for knowing whether you have a performance problem, a motivation problem, or a fit problem
– How PIPs are too often used incorrectly, and what doing so says about your organization's integrity
– Why employee success is ultimately contingent on your leadership style
Guest Bio:
Dr. Dennis Davis is a clinical psychologist and national expert in conflict resolution at Ogletree Deakins, a multinational law firm specializing in labor and employment law.
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33 min
Radical engagement: Adam Kahane on working with generals and guerrillas to make change from the inside
Episode 22
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How do you work with people you genuinely can't stand? Not someone who rubs you the wrong way in a meeting. Someone on the opposite side of your moral compass. Adam Kahane has spent 35 years finding that answer in some of the most intractable conflicts in modern history. His conclusion? You don't blow the system up. You find the cracks.
Topic Highlights:
– The simple tool for moving from blame to agency in any stuck situation
– What calling someone your "enemy" can actually cost you
– What apartheid learnings say about how systems change from the inside
– Why civility and self-regulation are the most strategic leadership skills you'll ever build
– The Leonard Cohen framework that might be Adam’s best leadership advice
Guest Bio:
Adam Kahane is the co-founder of Reos Partners, a conflict resolution facilitator who has worked in over 50 countries, and a member of the Order of Canada.
Episode Links:
Everyday Habits for Transforming Systems
Stanford Social Innovation Review: "Working With Cracks"
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