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The MJCast - A Michael Jackson Podcast
A Michael Jackson Podcast
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- #124
- Episodes
- 193
- Releases
- Monthly
- Typical length
- 1 hr 43 min
- On air since
- 2015
- Latest episode
- 2 weeks ago
Episodes
193 episodes, newest first
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1 hr 24 min
196: “Pyro John” Watkins Special
Season 12, Episode 196
Show notes
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Veteran concert pyrotechnician “Pyro John” Watkins joins hosts Shawn Shackelford and Elise Capron for a special conversation about his work behind the scenes on The Jacksons’ 1984 Victory Tour.
John spent decades creating pyrotechnic effects for some of music’s biggest acts, including KISS, Rick James, Journey, Pink Floyd, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, Dio, and many more. He recounts his experiences with these artists and numerous others in his (extremely irreverent, no-holds-barred) memoir, Don’t You Know Who I Think I Am?
In this discussion, John explains how he entered the world of pyrotechnics, recalls the artists he worked with before The Jacksons, and reveals how he was selected for the Victory Tour. He also shares the story of missing his first flight to rehearsal and arriving at Zoetrope Studios to discover that Michael Jackson had stayed behind to meet him.
John recounts that unforgettable first meeting with Michael, shortly after the Pepsi commercial accident. He discusses Michael’s concerns about his injury and safety, his own unconventional response to the situation, and how their working relationship developed afterward.
He takes Shawn and Elise inside the production of the Victory Tour, describing the precision required to coordinate pyrotechnics with Michael’s movements, the music, and the lighting. John also reflects on Michael’s personality and work ethic, the dynamics between the Jackson brothers, and what fans never saw behind the spectacle.
John closes by sharing his memories of the tour’s final shows at Dodger Stadium, whether he encountered Michael or the Jackson family again, how he learned of Michael’s passing, and what he is doing today.
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Additional Links
• Watkins’ memoir, Don’t You Know Who I Think I Am?: Memoirs of a World-Class Smart-Ass.
• The Very Best of Pyro John Watkins Special Effects.Like this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go toward online running costs, upgrading equipment, and occasional charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson at the same time by buying some of our fun merchandise.
• Learn about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast by visiting our website.Connect with Us
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1 hr 40 min
195: The Jackson Dolls Special
Season 12, Episode 195
Show notes
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Starr Hayes, founder of the legendary Jackson Dolls Fan Club, joins host Shawn Shackelford for a fascinating conversation about her decades-long relationship with the Jackson family. Beginning with her reaction to the “Michael” biopic, Starr reflects on the film’s portrayal of Michael, Katherine, Joseph, and the family dynamic, while sharing what it was like to witness the Jackson phenomenon firsthand.
The discussion explores the origins of the Jackson Dolls, Starr’s experiences as a young Black fan during the Jackson 5 era, her personal encounters with Michael and his family, visits to Hayvenhurst and Neverland, and memories from the height of Michaelmania. Starr also offers unique insights into Michael, his brothers and sisters, Katherine and Joseph Jackson, and the enduring bond between the family and their fans. The episode concludes with reflections on the losses of Michael, Joseph, and Tito, as well as the Jackson family’s lasting legacy and continued connection with supporters around the world.
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Participants
• Shawn Shackelford
• Starr HayesAdditional Links
• Jackson Dolls Facebook Page
• Jackson Dolls Production Facebook Page
• Jackson Dolls Production Website – A 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that supports women and girls in overcoming poverty, physical, mental and sexual abuse.Like this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
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• YouTubeIf you have feedback on this Michael Jackson podcast episode, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at themjcast@icloud.com or find the links to our many social networks on https://www.themjcast.com/. Keep livin’ off the wall.
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1 hr 38 min
194: Vincent Paterson Q&A
Season 12, Episode 194
Show notes
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Vincent Paterson returns to The MJCast, joining Elise Capron and Q for a listener Q&A. Paterson, who first appeared on the show in 2017 (on #TheMJCast064), is an iconic director and choreographer whose career has spanned across film, theater, pop music tours, TV, commercials, and much more. Within the MJ fan community he is, of course, best known for his work with the King of Pop. With Michael Jackson, he played a central role in creating some of the most memorable moments in pop culture history, from the short films for “Beat It” and “Thriller”, where he was a lead dancer and also assistant choreographer, to working on the short films for “The Way You Make Me Feel”, “Speed Demon”, “Dirty Diana” and “Smooth Criminal”, (for which he developed Michael’s unforgettable “lean” move), and, later, the “Black Or White” and “Blood on the Dance Floor” films. He also worked on the live performance side, directing the Bad World Tour, the 1988 Grammys performance, the MTV 10th Anniversary performance, the Super Bowl, and more.
Paterson’s resume extends far beyond Michael Jackson as well. He has worked closely with Madonna, George Harrison, Van Halen, Ringo Starr, Paul McCartney, Diana Ross, Lionel Ritchie, Whitney Houston, and many more. His choreography in major motion pictures can be seen in work such as “Evita”, “The Birdcage”, “Hook”, and “Dancer in the Dark”, just to name a few.
In 2022, Paterson published his memoir, “Icons and Instincts: Choreographing and Directing Entertainment’s Biggest Stars”, which details his fascinating journey through dance, stage, screen, and beyond.
Paterson is widely recognized as one of America’s greatest choreographers, and the team feels so privileged to have had him on the show back in Season Three for a career-spanning interview, and now, to have him return for a focused discussion around questions sent in from fans.
The MJCast thanks everyone who contributed questions — we wish we could have included each and every submission in our chat! (Note: The hosts had to consolidate some questions for the sake of the flow of the conversation. Also, at the time of recording, Vincent had not yet seen the biopic, so those questions could not be addressed. Thank you for understanding.)
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Questions:
1) Jacksongirl2300 (Instagram): Hi, Vincent. First, it was really good to meet you at the “This Is Thriller” event in October 2024. I would love to ask the five W’s on your introduction to Michael
2) Charlie Carter (Facebook): During the filming for the Beat It music video, how much interaction did you have with the “gang” members and how would you describe the atmosphere between them? Were there any moments where you thought it might kick off?
3) MJsBADdie (X): Why didn’t the dancer on the left in the Beat It video know the choreography?
4) Dane Thomson(X): How did they come to choose the arrangement of the zombies during the Thriller dance? Particularly the two ladies to Michael’s left and right. They stand out really well. Do you know the intention behind it if there was one?
5) Cindy Messina (Instagram): Beside the zombie teeth from Thriller you showed us at This is Thriller, did you keep anything else from the set of any of the other projects you were part of?
6) Paul Dwyer (Facebook): I’ve heard conflicting stories around the “LEAN” in the smooth criminal video. Were wires & harnesses used? Or was it those patented shoes? I presume you & MJ worked on the choreography for an amount of time before the shoot. How did your choreography inline with that iconic move? When was that move conceived?
7) MJsBADdie (X): What parts of the Smooth Criminal short film did Michael conceptualize? Was the spin on the table Michael freestyling or movie magic? What parts of the choreography did Michael tweak to fit his movements?
8) Connor Jake Elder (Instagram): Hi Vincent, I’m a huge fan of your work. Your collaborations with Michael inspired me to start dancing at five years old, and I haven’t stopped since. I’d love to ask: In Smooth Criminal, there’s that incredible moment where the music stops, the cat walks across the piano, Michael lets out the “oooh,” and the performance builds into the final “Annie, Are You Okay?” crescendo. It feels intensely emotional and almost primal. Did Michael ever explain what he was trying to express through that sequence?
9) Porter Wolff (Instagram): Michael Jackson’s original concept for Smooth Criminal was a western—did he ever discuss that idea with you?
10) Bucatini6 (Instagram): I’ve seen photos of Robert DeNiro visiting the set of Smooth Criminal and I’ve read that perhaps Fred Astaire all visited? Undoubtedly MJ’s outfit was a homage to Astaire- Do you have recollection of these visits? Thank you.
11) Etebeye (Instagram): Hi, Vincent. Your book is a must-read for everyone in performing arts! Your collaborations with Michael are a masterclass in creativity. The MTV10 Will You Be There performance I feel doesn’t get enough props when it’s one of the most artistic and intricate choreographies Michael’s ever done. Could you please walk us through how that piece was developed?
12) Gratian Dimech (X): I’d love to know more about the BOTDF shoot. Such a simple but amazing piece. What was it like directing it with Michael?
13) Leah Thompson (Facebook): Can you please tell us any treasured memories from the blood on the dance floor choreography and video?
14) Luma (X): How was the process of Michael learning salsa to the Blood on the dance floor video?
15) D. | magicmikelegacy (X): In blood on the dance floor Michael dances salsa. Is there any other genre of dance that Michael could do besides his own pop/hip hop style that we mostly saw him do.
16) Porter Wolff (Instagram): Can you talk about the 8mm version of the Blood on the Dance Floor video?
17) Eddie Santos (email): Did you guys end up doing two versions of the blood on the dance floor short film?
18) Lisa Croft (X): Seeing how hard Jaafar physically trained for the role, what was Michael’s warm up/workout routine to stay fit to dance? Curious, since there is no footage of Michael ever exercising or working out.
19) Rini (X): What was your and Michael’s process for creating the main choreography? Was it a lot of freestyling and seeing what stuck?
20) Sydney Caree (X): MJ would often take a routine home and rehearse it before the next rehearsal, is there any moment(s) where he changed something in the choreo or added something to it after practicing?
21) Yoann Bomal (X): Are the movements in the choreographies meant to tell a story?
22) MJsBADdie (X/Twitter): What choreography was the most fun to perform?
23) Carol (X): What’s his fave MJ vid he choreographed? Are there any MJ vids he wish he could’ve choreographed, but didn’t get the chance to?
24) Etebeye (Instagram): Why did Michael prefer to dance in loafers even at rehearsals and didn’t those hurt after hours of dancing? And, in the 90s, who paid better, Michael Jackson, Inc. or Madonna, Inc.?
25) Porter Wolff (Instagram): Were there any music video concepts that were planned but never came to fruition?
26) Monique Kinnest (Instagram): If he could choreograph any MJ song, what would it be?
27) Porter Wolff (Instagram): If you had the chance to direct a short film for a song that never received one, which song would you choose, and what direction would you take? (I personally believe Dangerous would have made a great “sequel” in theme to Smooth Criminal, the choreography from the live performances are amazing)
28) Lisa Croft (X): What does he think of the recent Bob Fosse – Michael Jackson discourse on Twitter?
29) Yoann Bomal (X): Did Michael like Bob Fosse’s films beyond just the dancing? Because they’re sometimes quite harsh and very sexual.
30) Gareth Morton (Facebook): What is your opinion of the Beat It gang scene in the Michael biopic?
31) Yoann Bomal (X): What does he think about the “Beat It” sequence from the Biopic, what’s real & what’s not?
32) MJsBADdie (X/Twitter): How was it seeing Jaafar as Michael when you were on set?
33) Sydney Caree (X): I’m assuming you have seen the biopic (if not why), what rating would you give it and which scene was your favorite?
34) Karina Polina-Saliba (Instagram): I have seen the BTS footage for Michael and I saw you actually had the chance to see the making of the concert scenes with Jafaar. You were there with other past collaborators like Jennifer Batten, Greg P, Jonathan the drummer and others. How did it feel like for you seeing familiar faces again and seeing the recreation of those iconic concert moments? Did you also provide any input at all? Or were you just invited out of courtesy? 🙂 Lastly did you watch the movie and what did you think of it?
35) Cindy Messina (Instagram): Were you involved as a consultant for the Michael biopic? Have you received an apology from the Estate or anyone from the Jackson family regarding the premier?
36) Simon Barré-Brisebois (Threads): Have you ever gotten any involvement in the making of the Michael Jackson biopic? Were you interviewed by the director and his crew and did you meet the actor who portrayed you? If yes, what did you speak about?
37) Anne (X): Bjork famously wore a dress with MJ on it to the Golden Globes and MJ asked Bjork a question during a web chat. It seems there was a mutual appreciation. Did Bjork ever mention MJ while you did Dancer in the dark? Also do you think there were similarities between them as artists?
38) Deidre Jericho (Instagram): My questions for Vincent are: 1. You worked with Michael across multiple creative eras, but I’m curious about the quieter moments between the spectacle. Was there ever a moment where you really saw the weight he was carrying as a person, not just Michael Jackson the icon? AND 2. And now that a new generation is rediscovering him through clips, memes, biopics, and social media fragments, what do you think people still fundamentally misunderstand about who he was?
39) Porter Wolff (Instagram): What are your thoughts on the estate and how it has managed his legacy since his passing? Projects you liked, disliked? What would you like to see them do?
40) Camilla Mæle Ruud (X): What do you wish the world knew about Michael that would give them a better understanding of who he was?
41) Maksim_mikivic (Instagram): What is your favorite memory or what do you miss the most?
42) Mammo Jess (Facebook): What is your most treasured memory with Michael?
43) Samantha Gardiner (email): if you could go back and re live one moment from working with Michael what would it be and why?
44) Jacksongirl2300 (Instagram): What are you up to nowadays?Additional Links
• TheMJCast Episode 64: Vincent Paterson Special, our deep-dive interview with Vincent.
• Vincent’s website.
• Purchase link for Vincent’s memoir, “Icons and Instincts: Choreographing and Directing Entertainment’s Biggest Stars”.Like this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
• Bluesky
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• YouTubeIf you have feedback on this Michael Jackson podcast episode, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at themjcast@icloud.com or find the links to our many social networks on https://www.themjcast.com/. Stay BAD.
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1 hr 43 min
193: Vindication Day Special with J. Randy Taraborrelli
Season 12, Episode 193
Show notes
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J. Randy Taraborrelli, the man who was sat right behind Michael Jackson in court as the verdicts came in, joins host Charles Thomson for the MJCast’s annual Vindication Day Special, recognizing the 21st anniversary of Jackson’s resounding 2005 acquittal.
Randy is the author of more than 20 books, most of which have become New York Times bestsellers, including his landmark Michael Jackson biography, The Magic and the Madness. After years of silence, he has granted The MJCast what he says will be his first and last Michael Jackson podcast interview.
He first met Michael in Philadelphia in 1970 (thanks to an invitation from Diana Ross) and last spoke to him in the years after the trial.
In this discussion, Randy tells Charles about getting to know Michael, writing his book, navigating the allegations in his dual role as a friend and a reporter, and almost coming to blows with Evan Chandler.
He recounts covering the trial, explains how the Cascio family drove him out of the Michael Jackson business, and tells us why he broke cover to participate in the controversial new Netflix series about the trial.
This emotional conversation is a true scoop for the MJCast, as Randy tells us stories he has never told publicly before, then vows never to give such an interview again.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Additional Links
• J. Randy Taraborrelli’s official website.
• Taraborrelli’s book on MJ, Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story.Like this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and occasional charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
• Bluesky
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• YouTubeIf you have feedback on this Michael Jackson podcast episode, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at themjcast@icloud.com or find the links to our many social networks on www.themjcast.com. Keep Michaeling.
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2 hr 21 min
192: Michael Jackson’s Legacy and the Black Perspective
Season 12, Episode 192
Show notes
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Scorpeze, Matthew Allen, Nicole Starling, and Rochelle Jones join host Shawn Shackelford for a roundtable discussion of the ‘Michael’ biopic as viewed through the Black cultural perspective, sparked by the film’s major success and the return of global Michaelmania. The panel explores Michael Jackson’s legacy through race, media, celebrity, and cultural memory, tracing his journey from the Jackson 5 and the Chitlin’ Circuit to Off the Wall, Thriller, and worldwide superstardom. They also examine shifting media narratives, from tabloid culture and public scrutiny to modern reassessments, while reflecting on James Baldwin’s enduring observations about Michael, America, and Black cultural identity. Together, the conversation blends personal insight and cultural analysis to reconsider Michael Jackson’s lasting impact and evolving legacy.
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Participants
• Shawn Shackelford
• Scorpeze
• Nicole Starling
• Matthew Allen
• Rochelle JonesAdditional Links
• Here Be Dragons: James Baldwin’s Critique of the American Ideal of Manhood
• “Remember the Time”: Michael Jackson and the Chitlin’ Circuit by Mark Anthony Neal
• Michael Jackson and Prince appearance at James Brown 1983
• Truth and Soul Podcast Ep.3 “Beige Music”
• Truth and Soul Podcast Ep.4 “Beige Music-The Finale”Like this episode?
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1 hr 28 min
191: Michael Filmmaker Roundtable
Season 12, Episode 191
Show notes
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Filmmakers Adam Green, Marcos Cabota, Jin Chohan, and Paul Black join host Charlie Thomson for a continuation of The MJCast’s “Michael” biopic deep-dive discussion series, this time focused on the perspective from those in the film industry. They hone in on details around editing and scene selection, and considerations (from a top-down view) about audience, approach, and production, as well as discussing whether the film truly humanizes Michael Jackson, and what a sequel – if it happens – might look like. Ultimately, the team casts new light on how to think about the film, combined with their personal insights as long-time mega fans of the King of Pop.
This episode was edited by Paul Black.
Participants
• Charlie Thomson
• Adam Green
• Jin Chohan
• Marcos Cabota
• Paul BlackAdditional Links
• Adam Green’s podcast, The Movie Crypt.
• Marcos Cabota’s documentary (not yet widely available), Sonic Fantasy.
• Jin Chohan’s in-progress documentary, Trial By Media: The Michael Jackson StoryLike this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
• Bluesky
• Facebook
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• Threads
• YouTubeIf you have feedback on this Michael Jackson podcast episode, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at themjcast@icloud.com or find the links to our many social networks on https://www.themjcast.com/. Keep Michaeling.
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2 hr 19 min
190: Michael Biopic Roundtable
Season 12, Episode 190
Show notes
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Shawn Shackelford leads the entire MJCast crew, including Elise Capron, Charlie Thomson, Charlie Carter, and newest member, Simon Wilkie, in a deep-dive discussion about the long-awaited “Michael” biopic, which hit theaters this past week.
“Michael” marks a major moment for MJ fans after years of anticipation—and comes with a surge of excitement which has built in the months and weeks leading up to its release. In the first 48 hours of officially hitting theaters, it blew up even the most optimistic projections, taking in around $100 million globally in a single day. By the end of opening weekend, it made well over $200 million globally (opening in 80 countries worldwide), and could officially claim the title of the biggest opening ever for any musical biopic.
Even though the film has faced a wave of negative reviews and press coverage from mainstream sources, audiences are showing up in large numbers, and with great enthusiasm. Critics haven’t exactly embraced the film, but one thing that keeps coming up is Jaafar Jackson’s performance as Michael Jackson. In this roundtable discussion, the team breaks down his performance, along with everything else the film gets right… and where it may fall short. Without a doubt, 2026 is the year of “Michael”.
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Participants
• Shawn Shackelford
• Elise Capron
• Charlie Thomson
• Charlie Carter
• Simon WilkieLike this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
• Bluesky
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• YouTubeIf you have feedback on this Michael Jackson podcast episode, we’d love to hear from you. Contact us at themjcast@icloud.com or find the links to our many social networks on https://www.themjcast.com/. Keep livin’ off the wall.
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1 hr 53 min
189: You Had to Opt in for That
Season 12, Episode 189
Show notes
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Charles Thomson, Shawn Shackelford, and Charlie Carter join forces for the first regular episode of Season 12, catching up on all the latest news in the world of Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. They discuss the very sad passings of Toyia Jackson, Bryan Loren and Rev. Jesse Jackson, as well as updates on Heal LA events this summer, developments regarding the Cascio vs. MJ Estate Case, a new Channel 4 Trial series, a TMZ MJ documentary, more MJ-related books, and a correction of a previously-released MJ short film restoration. Plus, Damien Shields joins in for a chat regarding the recent, major leak of Michael Jackson music.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Discussion Topics
• Bryan Loren has died.
• Dr. Toyia Jackson has died, after a battle with cancer.
• Rev. Jesse Jackson has died.
• “King of Popcorn” events return to Hayvenhurst this summer.
• Sexyy Red’s X-Rated “Beat It” Flip Goes Viral, and Estate is not pleased.
• Judge Signals Arbitration in Cascio vs. MJ Estate Case.
• Channel 4 releases “Michael Jackson: The Trial” series.
• Michael Jackson appears in Epstein Files photos, and Macaulay Culkin video is debunked as fake.
• TMZ releases new documentary: ‘Michael Jackson: 30 Fatal Seconds’.
• “Black or White” short film is restored to its original vision, now including the full panther dance sequence.
• Joe Vogel releases a new book, Black or White: Inside Michael Jackson’s Most Controversial Film.
• Teddy Riley releases his memoir, Remember the Times.
• Massive Michael Jackson music leak.Finds of the Week
• Charles Thomson – Nine Sixteenths, a Janet Jackson play, is touring the UK.
• Charlie Carter – Moonwalkeris coming to Netflix.
• Shawn Shackelford – Jael Rucker’s MJ articles in Decked Out Magazine.Like this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
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1 hr 44 min
188: Michael Trailer Roundtable
Season 12, Episode 188
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Bobby Huntley, Hannah Savage, and first-time guest Stepfan Holley join host Shawn Shackelford to kick off Season 12 of The MJCast, following the release of the full trailer for the highly anticipated Michael biopic, set to hit theaters worldwide on April 24, 2026.
In this in-depth roundtable discussion, the team unpacks one of the most talked-about moments in the Michael Jackson community in years. The trailer—like the teaser released in November—quickly shattered viewership records, making it a record-breaking launch for a music biopic and the largest trailer debut in Lionsgate studio history, igniting passionate reactions across the internet.
In this episode, the panel slows the conversation down, moving beyond knee-jerk reactions to thoughtfully examine what the trailer shows, what it withholds, and the expectations it sets for how Michael Jackson’s story may be told on the big screen. Topics include initial emotional responses, visual effects and digital polish, pacing and imagery, the portrayal of key figures, speculation about narrative choices, and broader questions surrounding audience, authenticity, and legacy. Along the way, there are plenty of strong opinions, sharp observations, and moments of genuine reflection.
Whether you’re exhilarated, cautious, or somewhere in between, one thing is clear: 2026 is shaping up to be the Year of Michael—and this conversation is just the beginning.
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Participants
• Bobby Huntley
• Hannah Savage
• Stepfan Holley
• Shawn ShackelfordAdditional Links
• Official trailer on YouTube.Like this episode?
• If you have the means, consider a donation in any amount through PayPal to help cover our costs of creating the show. All proceeds go towards online running costs, upgrading equipment, and occasional charity donations.
• We also have an official merchandise shop. Support The MJCast and Michael Jackson all at the same time by buying some of our fun merch.
• Learn all about the various ways you can support and engage with The MJCast through visiting our website.Connect with Us
• https://www.themjcast.com/
• Bluesky
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2 hr 37 min
187: Season Eleven Christmas Special
Season 11, Episode 187
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Taj Jackson joins Shawn Shackelford, Charles Thomson, and Charlie Carter to celebrate the holidays and reflect on this past year… Welcome to The MJCast’s 11th annual Christmas special!
The gang discusses the year that was on Season 11 of The MJCast, as well as all the recent news in the world of Michael Jackson and the Jackson family, including Jermaine Jackson’s announcement of a “Jackson Museum”, the passing of guitarist and composer Phil Upchurch, MJ-related legal twists and turns for artist Brett-Livingstone Strong, Michael Jackson inspiration appearing in major films and TV shows, reactions to the one-and-only Jamon Bull stepping down from The MJCast, an exciting vinyl release from the Michael Jackson Estate, and much more. Plus, the team looks ahead to Season 12, and has fun with the annual bloopers reel.
Special thanks to Taj Jackson for being a part of our annual Christmas Special for many years. Here’s to many more!
And, huge thanks to all of our listeners and MJFam around the world. We could not do this without you. Wishing you a happy 2026 to come! (Elise sends her love to all listeners and MJ friends, as well. She had a scheduling issue and could not participate in this episode.)
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Discussion Topics
• The year that was…
• Charlie Thomson is now the longest serving member of the team!
• Unreleased video from the preparations for the HBO special “One Night Only”
• Jermaine Jackson Announces Plans for a ‘Jackson Museum’ in Monaco
• Phil Upchurch, Guitarist and Composer for Michael Jackson, Dies
• Court Says Michael Jackson Copyrights Can Be Sold to Pay Artist’s Debts
• “Cry” celebrated with a “blurry, blocky, visibly degraded version of the short film” on official Michael Jackson channels
• Michael Jackson’s ‘Smooth Criminal’ Inspired Key Scene in the Wicked Film
• “Rockin’ Robin” Lands in Stranger Things Season 5
• Bruno Mars Channels Michael Jackson
• Reactions to Jamon Bull stepping down from The MJCast (we love you, Jamon!)
• NUMBER ONES will be released on vinyl
• Season 11 Blooper Reel
• Looking back, and looking forward…Like this episode?
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2 hr 19 min
186: Destiny Roundtable
Season 11, Episode 186
Show notes
Destiny, released in 1978, marked a seismic shift for The Jacksons — a bold declaration of creative independence, a spiritual and sonic rebirth, and a pivotal step in the journey that would launch Michael Jackson into superstardom. Having broken away from the constraints of Motown in 1975, the group spent years redefining their sound under Philadelphia International’s Gamble and Huff before finally taking complete control of their music with Destiny, their first self-written and self-produced album.
But was Destiny just a comeback album, or something far more profound?
In this roundtable episode, host Shawn Shackelford is joined by panelists Scorpeze, Samar Habib, and Jay Leggett to explore every corner of this often-overlooked masterpiece. From its gospel-fueled grooves and bold horn arrangements to its raw, personal lyricism and prophetic themes, the panel traces how Destiny not only signaled The Jacksons’ artistic autonomy but served as a critical bridge between the group’s legacy and Michael’s solo evolution.
The team unpacks the cultural and historical context of Destiny’s release, including the brothers’ exit from Motown, their variety show, and Michael’s early creative partnership with his brother, Randy. They dig into the musical inspirations behind the record — from Earth, Wind & Fire to Stevie Wonder — and examine how tracks like “Blame It on the Boogie,” “Push Me Away,” “Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)” and “That’s What You Get (For Being Polite)” laid the foundation for the innovation of Off the Wall and beyond.
This in-depth, thought-provoking discussion celebrates an album that didn’t just reintroduce The Jacksons — it redefined them. Revisit the songs, stories, and struggles behind Destiny in a full track-by-track discussion, and consider whether it deserves a much more prominent place in the canon of pop and R&B history.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Participants
• Shawn Shackelford• Scorpeze• Samar Habib• Jay LeggettAdditional Links
• Destiny Era
• New Yorker Magazine article about the Jacksons Leaving Motown, July 1975
• Gregg Cobarr’s Photographic Flashbacks with Michael Jackson, August 16, 1978
• Record Mirror interview with Paul Sexton, October 7, 1978
• The Jacksons’ 10th Anniversary Special in Billboard (Pgs. 47-62), November 18, 1978
• The Jacksons interview with Blues and Soul, February 1979
• Reviewof The Jacksons’ February 23-24, 1979 concerts in London, England at the Rainbow Theatre for the “Destiny World Tour”-Black Echoes- March 3, 1979
• Star Trak Westwood One Interviewwith The Jacksons, May 28, 1979
• LP Promo-Destiny album disc interviews the Jacksons, 1980
• “Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)” Demo
• Executive Producer, Bobby Colomby interview
• Michael “Mick” Jackson discusses “Blame it on the Boogie”Like this episode?
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2 hr 9 min
185: Thank You and Keep Michaeling
Season 11, Episode 185
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In this episode, Jamon Bull, co-founder and co-host of The MJCast for eleven seasons, discusses his decision to step back from the show. Innumerable memories have been made, friendships formed, and a record of the King of Pop’s iconic legacy has been captured through Jamon’s tireless work. The show will continue on, in a slightly new form, even in light of this bittersweet news. Jamon: We love you and will miss you.
In his last regular episode, Jamon joins Elise Capron, Charles Thomson, Q, Charlie Carter, and Shawn Shackelford for a massive catch-up on all the latest news in the world of Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. They discuss Mariah Carey’s recent reveal about an unreleased duet with the King of Pop, a possible upcoming album in tribute to Michael Jackson’s Ireland sessions, legal updates around the Cascio Family and Jackson Estate, Paris Jackson’s continuing public alarm-ringing over Estate legal fees, major fan events around the US, Finds of the Week, and more.
This episode was edited by Simon Wilkie.
Discussion Topics
• Rest in peace Roberta Martin. We love you.
• Musician D’Angleo has passed away at age 51.
• Mariah Carey reveals unreleased duet with Michael Jackson.
• The Michael Jackson estate paid $2.5mn to Cascio Family, with private arbitration decision ahead.
• Frank Cascio breaks his silence on the new allegations.
• Paris Jackson continues to raise alarm over estate legal fees.
• Belinda Dileo has gone public over her concerns regarding the biopic.
• This is Thriller happened on Halloween in LA.
• Kingvention happened in NYC.
• London version of “MJ: The Musical” to close before embarking on a national tour.
• “MJ: The Musical” heading to Brisbane before moving on to Perth.
• Jamon has decided to step back from The MJCast.Finds of the Week
• Jamon Bull – Motown 25 rehearsal snippet
• Q – brainrot fun and Give In To Me appreciation reel
• Shawn – Full soundboard recordings of the “Destiny” (Memphis 11/25/79) and “Triumph” (Chicago 05/09/81) tours. Plus, his great story of meeting Jackie & Marlon Jackson, with an assist from Brandi Jackson.
• Charlie Carter – MJ Tribute Artist
• Elise Capron – Kpop Demon Hunters and Captain EO unite!Like this episode?
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47 min
184: Michael Teaser Roundtable
Season 11, Episode 184
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Q, Charles Thomson, Paul Black, Shawn Shackelford, and Charlie Carter join host Elise Capron to discuss the recently released teaser trailer for the ‘Michael’ biopic, which will hit theaters around the world on April 24, 2026. The just-over-one-minute-long trailer dropped unexpectedly on November 6, 2025, and immediately broke records, racking up 116.2 million views globally within its first 24 hours, making it “the largest 24-hour trailer launch ever in Lionsgate‘s history and the most-viewed trailer for any music biopic or concert movie in motion picture history”, according to Deadline.
In this chat, the team shares their hot takes and comments on everything from the most thrilling moments of the teaser to complaints about factual inaccuracies, and dissect the editing quality, Jaafar Jackson’s look as the King of Pop, make guesses about what we might see in the final film based on this short, but punchy, presentation, and much more.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Participants
• Elise Capron
• Charles Thomson
• Charlie Carter
• Shawn Shackelford
• Q
• Paul BlackAdditional Links
• Official teaser trailer on YouTube.Like this episode?
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2 hr 19 min
183: Faking Michael Special
Season 11, Episode 183
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Damien Shields, Dan Villalobos, James Alay, and Jamon Bull join Charles Thomson for a deep dive into the history behind, and making of, the ‘Faking Michael‘ investigative podcast series.
‘Faking Michael’ took the Michael Jackson fan community (and beyond) by storm one year ago, as a bombshell true crime series which tells the full story of the fraudulent tracks–dubbed the ‘Cascio Tracks’–on the posthumous ‘Michael’ album released in 2010. Damien Shields and his team, including The MJCast, have been investigating this case since that time. The podcast series takes the listener through every dramatic detail of the scandal, including Vera Serova’s 2014 lawsuit against Cascio, Porte, their production company, Sony Music and Jackson’s estate, which resulted in the removal of the tracks in 2022.
In this discussion, the guys tell the story behind the story, including how they worked together as a team, behind-the-scenes moments, the experience of researching the story and making the podcast, how the project has been received among fans and in the wider world, and what else is to come in the ‘Faking Michael’ journey.
This episode was edited by Jamon Bull and Charlie Carter.
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1 hr 9 min
182: Akasha Richmond Special
Season 11, Episode 182
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Akasha Richmond joins Charles Thomson for a journey into the culinary and travel side of Michael Jackson’s life, as she relays stories from her years working for The King of Pop as his personal and concert tour chef.
Akasha met Michael Jackson in the early 1980s, when she and Mani Niall worked at the Golden Temple, a vegetarian restaurant in Los Angeles. Mani became Jackson’s first personal chef, while Akasha was hired for special dinner parties, including events at Hayvenhurst with guests such as Elizabeth Taylor, Gregory Peck, Sophia Loren, and more. Eventually, Akasha also started stepping in as Jackson’s chef when he traveled, when Mani was not available.
Akasha began traveling the world regularly with Jackson, cooking for him all across Europe, Asia, Australia, and beyond. She worked on both the BAD and the HIStory tours, and her mandate was to always keep The King of Pop healthy, with his favorite Mexican dishes and comfort food – always spicy!
Not only did Akasha develop a deep friendship with Michael Jackson, but she got to see the world, and developed a love of travel, during her years of touring. In this chat, she shares amazing memories, insights into Jackson’s life, and discusses how her experiences eventually led her to found a beloved LA restaurant, Akasha, and also, more recently, to start a food-focused travel company, Travel by Akasha.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Additional Links
• Akasha’s Culver City restaurant.
• Akasha’s travel company.Like this episode?
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2 hr 14 min
181: They Put Salt in the Burger
Season 11, Episode 181
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Jamon Bull, Charles Thomson, and Charlie Carter join forces for a big catch-up on all the latest news in the world of Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. They discuss the major bombshell around Frank Cascio being revealed as the individual allegedly attempting to extort the Jackson Estate, Paris Jackson publicly questioning the Estate’s financial decisions, updates on MJ: The Musical in Australia, 3T’s European tour, Brad Sundberg’s fantastic HIStory 30 roundtable discussion, and Charlie’s exciting adventures in California.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter and Jamon Bull.
Discussion Topics
• Michael Madsen has died.
• Frank Cascio revealed as individual allegedly attempting to extort Estate.
• Paris Jackson has questioned the appropriateness of payouts made by the Estate.
• “MJ: The Musical” is heading to Melbourne in September.
• Brad Sundberg has released a collaborator roundtable for HIStory 30.
• Lil Baby claims there will be a new Michael Jackson feature on his upcoming album.
• 3T have commenced their European tour.
• Teddy Riley is set to release his memoirs, titled “Remember the Times”.
• Charlie’s adventuresFinds of the Week
• Charles Thomson – 1996 BRIT Awards story on Instagram.
• Charlie Carter – On This Day in Michael Jackson History, July 4 and Stories in the Room podcast.
• Jamon – The Bad World Tour’s Pensacola rehearsals.
• Elise – Court TV has posted the entire Dr. Conrad Murray trial online.Like this episode?
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1 hr 9 min
180: Vindication Day Special with Josephine Zohny
Season 11, Episode 180
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Charles Thomson welcomes first-time guest Josephine Zohny to the show for this year’s Vindication Day Special.
Josie is a long-time Michael Jackson fan who became an important witness.
In the early 2000s, she found herself in the same university music program as Michael Jackson’s first accuser, Jordan Chandler. What she witnessed him saying left her in shock – and when Michael found himself under arrest and facing trial months later, she ended up on the defense witness list.
Josie was never called to the stand and remained silent for over a decade – until she was tracked down by journalist Danny Wu, who made her experiences of Jordan Chandler the narrative spine of his hit 2019 documentary, “Square One”.
Her own quote defines the film: “Every allegation is built on the ’93 allegations”.
In the most in-depth interview she has ever given, Josie tells Charles about her fan story, her experiences with Chandler and her life since the Square One premiere.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Additional Links
• The MJCast review of Square One, with commentary on Josephine Zohny.
• #TheMJCast108: “Back to Square One”, an interview with Danny Wu.Like this episode?
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1 hr 29 min
179: I’m Already Sick of the Biopic
Season 11, Episode 179
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Elise Capron and Charles Thomson team up to chat about all the latest news in the world of Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. They discuss developments with the Robson/Safechuck Defense team, the many delays on the Michael Jackson biopic, another possible MJ documentary brewing, a 3T tour, the recent re-release of The Wiz, Kingvention’s return to London, and much more.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Discussion Topics
• Jeff Margolis has passed away.
• Jennifer Keller has stepped down from the defense team in Robson/Safechuck case.
• The Michael Jackson biopic release date most likely been postponed until 2026.
• The Michael Jackson Estate has announced the annual MJ birthday event in Las Vegas, minus any actual details.
• Rabbi Shmuley is featured in a new Michael Jackson documentary.
• BET has released a HD clip of Michael Jackson’s 2003 BET Awards appearance with James Brown.
• 3T are set to tour Europe in July.
• The Wiz is being released in 4K.
• George Wendt has passed away.
• Brad Sundberg has just released an interview with Hayden Rose, an animal trainer who worked very closely with the animals at Neverland Valley Ranch.
• La Toya Jackson is appearing at the Catalina Jazz Club in LA on June 6 and 7.
• Kingvention returned to London.Like this episode?
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1 hr 54 min
178: Jeff Margolis Special
Season 11, Episode 178
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Jeff Margolis joins Jamon Bull for a powerful, deep-dive interview about Margolis’ incredible career in television, and his work with The King of Pop.
Margolis is one of the most successful live TV event directors of all time, having worked on the Oscars, the Emmys, the Golden Globes, the Screen Actors Guild Awards and the American Music Awards. He has created TV specials with the likes of Cher, Julie Andrews, Dolly Parton, Frank Sinatra, Kenny Rogers and Richard Pryor; made movies with Ringo Starr and Quincy Jones; directed a music video for Whitney Houston. The roster of talent across his many TV projects has also included Ella Fitzgerald, Gladys Knight, Burt Bacharach, Gene Kelly, Smokey Robinson, Elton John, Barry Manilow, Lionel Richie, Prince, and many, many more.
Margolis’ career led him to cross paths with Michael Jackson numerous times. In 1989, he directed Sammy Davis Jr’s “60th Anniversary Special”, where Michael performed a specially written tribute song called “You Were There”. In 1993, Jeff directed the 20th annual American Music Awards, where Michael performed “Dangerous” for the first time, and won the inaugural International Artist Award, which was thereafter given annually in Michael’s name. In 1995, Margolis signed on as the director of Michael’s ill-fated “One Night Only” HBO special, which fell apart after Michael collapsed in rehearsals. Two years later, he directed “Happy Birthday Elizabeth” at the Pantages Theatre in Hollywood, where Michael once again performed a specially written song, “Elizabeth, I Love You”.
Michael and Margolis would collaborate again in 2001 for the hastily assembled United We Stand concert, organized within weeks to raise funds for the victims of the 9/11 terror attack in New York. Michael headlined the show, performing “Man in the Mirror” and assembling a glittering line-up for the only time “What More Can I Give” was performed in front of an audience. It would be the last time Michael Jackson ever performed for a stadium audience.
Margolis’ autobiography “We’re Live in 5: My Extraordinary Life in Television” has recently been released, and features many brilliantly told stories, with an entire chapter dedicated to Jeff’s work with Michael Jackson.
This episode was edited by Jamon Bull.
Additional Links
• Jeff Margolis’ website.
• Jeff’s autobiography, We’re Live in 5.
• Damien Shields’ article on “Michael Jackson: One Night Only”.Like this episode?
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1 hr 35 min
177: Leaving Neverland 2 Roundtable
Season 11, Episode 177
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In 2019, a bomb exploded in the Michael Jackson world, when British TV director Dan Reed premiered a four-hour TV series about Wade Robson and James Safechuck – two men demanding millions of dollars from Michael Jackson’s posthumous estate as compensation for alleged childhood sexual abuse. A co-production between Britain’s Channel 4 and America’s HBO, the show generated months of scandalous, sensational and extraordinarily biased media coverage, much of it demanding the all-out cancellation of Michael Jackson.
For a while, that looked like a possibility – but ultimately, Jackson weathered the storm. His music streams went up instead of down. A Michael Jackson musical debuted on Broadway, won a string of awards and has become one of the highest grossing shows in New York theatre history. Its London transfer has just been nominated for three prestigious Olivier awards. New versions have now opened in Germany and Sydney. Meanwhile, Lionsgate has invested $150m in the most expensive Hollywood biopic of all time, Michael.
But six years later, Reed has re-emerged with a 49-minute sequel, subtitled Surviving Michael Jackson and focusing on Robson and Safechuck’s ongoing legal efforts to obtain hundreds of millions of dollars from Jackson’s estate. It premiered this week to substantially less fanfare than its predecessor and extremely poor viewing figures.
In this roundtable episode, a panel of experts react to the latest episode of Leaving Neverland and consider what it means for Michael Jackson’s legacy.
This episode was edited by Charlie Carter.
Participants
• Charles Thomson – An award-winning crime reporter who has spent years investigating the Michael Jackson allegations, appearing in various books and documentaries.
• Taj Jackson – Michael Jackson’s nephew and the Jackson family’s loudest voice against Leaving Neverland and the allegations it documents.
• Anika Kotecha – A lawyer and co-founder of campaign group MJInnocent – which challenges biased and inaccurate reporting on the allegations against Michael Jackson – who was asked by Dan Reed to appear in Leaving Neverland 2.
• Jenny Winings – A long-time fan who was on the defence witness list for Michael Jackson’s 2005 trial, appeared in the documentary Square One and is actually featured in Leaving Neverland 2.
• Paul Black – A professional filmmaker and editor, who offers expert insight into the construction of the latest episode.Additional Links
• The “Square One” documentary on YouTube.Like this episode?
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