The Sacred

What happens when the AI tools we used to make life easier started to change the way we think?

Journalist and author Jamie Bartlett joins Elizabeth Oldfield for a live recording to explore what AI reveals about human nature, why we keep using tools we’re worried about, and what we risk losing when we let machines do our thinking for us.

We talk about:

• How using AI has affected Jamie’s own writing and thinking

• Why language models can be so good at flattering us and exploiting our own biases

• What it means to remain thoughtful and human in an age of increasingly capable machines

• How we can learn to ask better questions - not just of AI, but of ourselves Jamie Bartlett is a journalist and author whose work explores the social and political consequences of technology.

His books include How to Talk to AI, The People vs. Tech and Radicals.

Thank you to everyone who joined us in the room and to those who sent us their thoughts on AI ahead of the evening.

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💡 The Sacred is produced by Theos Think Tank in partnership with Comment Magazine, and with support from The Jerusalem Trust and Open Society Foundations

👉 Read Jamie's latest book, How to Talk to AI: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/475950/how-to-talk-to-ai-by-bartlett-jamie/9780753561980

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What Does It Take to Create a Shared Home in a Divided City?

In Jerusalem, two women from opposite sides of the Israeli-Palestinian divide, Riman Barakat and Karen Brunwasser, have spent more than a decade building FeelBeit, a shared arts and cultural space where Israeli and Palestinian artists and communities are invited to ‘feel at home’ together.

In this moving conversation, recorded live at Aspen Ideas Festival, we explore what it takes to build trust across a profound divide—and what happens when that trust is tested by violence, grief and fear.

We also cover:

• Friendship and why relationships can be a form of peacebuilding
• What happened at FeelBeit after October 7 and in the years since
• The power of art to hold grief, anger, joy and hope at the same time
• Why “compassion over righteous indignation” and “self-love and self-critique” might be some of the hardest—and most necessary—practices for our societies

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Can you really vote your way to a good society - or does it have to be built house by house, street by street?

Dr James Vitali - Head of Political Economy at Policy Exchange, a Sandhurst-trained army reservist, local councillor, and author of The Ownership Society: How Bourgeois Values Can Save Britain - talks about the Dorset church at the heart of his childhood, what military service taught him about sacrifice and leadership, and why he believes Britain's real crisis is moral, not economic.

In this conversation we also explored:

• Growing up between Navy deployments, and the community that stepped in

• "Servant leadership" and why politics keeps failing to practise it

• Home ownership, responsibility, and not being able to buy

• Thatcher, Tocqueville, and where conservatism lost the plot

• The human cost of localism - and what to do with the suffering in between

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💡 The Sacred is produced by Theos Think Tank in partnership with Comment Magazine, and with support from The Jerusalem Trust and Open Society Foundations

👉 Read James' book, The Ownership Society: How Bourgeois Values Can Save Britain https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=the-ownership-society-how-bourgeois-values-can-save-britain--9781509569526

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Chapters:

00:00 – Intro: meeting James Vitali

01:56 – What is sacred to you?

04:13 – A rooted military childhood in Dorset

10:32 – Faith, and how it shapes his politics

15:27 – Sandhurst and learning servant leadership

18:37 – Why politics became technical instead of moral

20:43 – Thatcher's legacy and "no such thing as society"

29:24 – Almshouses and the Vale Pantry: ownership in action

32:24 – The Ownership Society: why "bourgeois values"?

37:30 – A state that isn't neutral: "statecraft is soulcraft"

44:12 – Elizabeth's own story, and why ownership matters to the soul

53:07 – Closing reflections: "biography over beliefs"

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What does it mean to prepare to die—and then discover that you need to prepare to live again?

In this conversation, poet Christian Wiman reflects on faith, poetry, love, mortality, and his experience of living for more than 20 years with cancer.

He talks about his turbulent childhood, how poetry transformed his anger into something creative, and why he believes poems can open us to something beyond ourselves.

The conversation also explores:

• Wiman’s journey from economics to poetry
• What a poem actually is—and why sound can matter more than meaning
• Attention and his idea of “productive inattention”
• Faith, suffering, and writers including Simone Weil and Etty Hillesum

Wiman also reads three poems: Five Houses Down, 2047 Grace Street, and In the Time of Fire.

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What are we losing by spending so much of our lives behind screens?

COVID-19 brought the whole world online, and as a podcast we kind of stayed there. This season, we made a commitment to only recording in person, mostly at Elizabeth’s community house in south London.

As a result, we sensed a big shift in our connection with guests and we thought we’d take an opportunity to reflect on a few things that we’d forgotten along the way:

• Being in-person is key to meeting people as real humans and creating non-transactional relationships

• Something shifts when we eat snacks together and see each other’s homes

• Screens and the ease of our digital lives mean we spend less time in our bodies. It’s much more convenient — but what’s the hidden cost?

• We shrink when were alone, and we trust others less

We feel challenged to spend more time with people in our bodies — looking each other in the eye, sharing physical space, and being present.

We’d love to hear whether you’ve sensed a difference in our latest in-person episodes and your thoughts on being together in person.

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💡Produced by Theos Think Tank in partnership with Comment Magazine and with support from The Jerusalem Trust and Open Society Foundations

What do you do when you feel like an outsider?

We spoke to Rabbi Angela Buchdahl who turned her experience of being a cultural and religious outsider into a source of strength.

Raised in a biracial, mixed-faith American-Korean family, her identity was both welcomed and questioned in Korean and Jewish communities.

She later would later go on to become one of the most prominent and influential public rabbis in the United States, the first female East Asian senior rabbi at NYC's Central Synagogue, and writer of the bestselling memoir Heart of a Stranger.

We spoke about:

• Owning multiple identities, not fitting in and how to create a steady sense of self
• The religious conversion instinct and how to have religious humility
• Key Hebrew ideas that Rabbi Angela lives by
• The radical offering of religious communities in our divided times: community, awe, proximity
• Navigating tokenism as the first East Asian ordained rabbi

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💡Produced by ⁠⁠Theos Think Tank⁠⁠ in partnership with ⁠⁠Comment Magazine⁠⁠ and with support from ⁠⁠The Jerusalem Trust⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠Open Society Foundations

👉 Follow Rabbi Angela Buchdahl: https://www.instagram.com/rabbibuchdahl/?hl=en

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We talk a lot about the harms and benefits of AI, but we don’t talk enough about what the conversations about AI might actually be doing to us.

Perhaps the biggest challenge in the mix may not be the technology itself, but how it changes the way we think, communicate, and relate to each other as humans.

We’re creating some space for a different kind of conversation about AI with Jamie Bartlett on 8th September in London. We’d love to see you there!

🔗 Grab a ticket here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/the-sacred-live-ai-and-the-future-of-being-human-tickets-1994014009580 - use code: SACRED-EARLY-BIRD for a £12 ticket! Promo ends 8.08.26

Why do stories matter? Why have human beings always told stories - and what if the oldest stories still have something vital to teach us?

In this episode of The Sacred, Elizabeth Oldfield sits down with psychologist, mythologist and bestselling author Dr Sharon Blackie to explore why myths and fairy tales aren't just relics of the past, but tools for making sense of life today.

From a childhood marked by hardship to decades studying narrative psychology, Sharon shares how stories help us navigate change and uncertainty by showing us how people find courage, resilience and meaning in the face of life's hardest moments.

⚠️ Content note: This episode includes discussion of rape, sexual violence and domestic abuse. Listen with care.

Together they explore:

• Why stories shape the way we understand ourselves
• What fairy tales can teach us about resilience and healing
• Why men need less heroic storylines
• The forgotten wisdom hidden in traditional myths
• Women's stories, identity and reclaiming lost voices
• Our relationship with nature and what ancient stories reveal about living well today

Whether you love folklore or have never picked up a fairy tale since childhood, this conversation is ultimately about how to make sense of suffering, rediscover hope, or find meaning in uncertain times.

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Dr Sharon Blackie is an award-winning psychologist, mythologist and author of If Women Rose Rooted, Hagitude, Wise Women and The Enchanted Life. Her work explores mythology, psychology, ecology and the stories that shape who we become.

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💡Produced by ⁠⁠Theos Think Tank⁠⁠ in partnership with ⁠⁠Comment Magazine⁠⁠ and with support from ⁠⁠The Jerusalem Trust⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠Open Society Foundations

👉 See Dr Sharon Blackie's work: https://sharonblackie.net/

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Chapters:

0:00 — What is Sacred to you? Dr Sharon Blackie answers

2:30 — Finding the divine in everything

4:16 — Growing up with poverty, violence, and resilience

5:43 — The working-class values we’ve forgotten

6:13 — The formidable women who raised her

8:29 — Living with an alcoholic parent

9:50 — The fairy tale that changed her life

10:47 — Why every great story begins with catastrophe

12:03 — Grimm’s fairy tales vs Disney

13:02 — Why we need the original fairy tales

14:10 — Fairy tales were never just for children

15:06 — What fairy tales teach us about surviving hard times

16:14 — Leaving corporate life to find her real calling

17:39 — Learning to stop being afraid of life

20:47 — From neuroscience to narrative therapy

26:39 — When women were the wisdom keepers

28:28 — Christianity, myth, and the loss of women’s voices

31:29 — Rethinking masculinity and femininity

33:08 — Can we still talk about "women"?

38:14 — What fairy tales teach us about work and resilience

39:57 — Healing without getting stuck in your wounds

43:15 — Becoming whole through story

45:06 — Why good parents are missing from fairy tales

49:44 — Beyond the Hero’s Journey: a new way to live

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Whether we know it or not, economics shapes almost every part of our lives - where we live, whether we can afford children, how much time we have with the people we love, and even the choices we think are available to us. But most of us rarely stop to ask what economics is actually for.

In this episode, Elizabeth Oldfield sits down with economist and Works in Progress editor Sam Bowman for a conversation that goes far beyond markets, GDP and public policy. Together we explore freedom, human flourishing, progress, and the surprising moral questions that sit beneath economic thinking.

We spoke about:

• Why economics is really about people, not money

• The relationship between freedom, wealth and human flourishing

• Whether we really need wealth to be happy

• Does the pursuit of prosperity comes at the expense of the things that make life meaningful?

Whether economics fascinates you or completely intimidates you, this conversation offers a fresh take on one of the most significant forces shaping modern life.

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💡Produced by ⁠⁠Theos Think Tank⁠⁠ in partnership with ⁠⁠Comment Magazine⁠⁠ and with support from ⁠⁠The Jerusalem Trust⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠Open Society Foundations

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Chapters:

0:00 — Intro: How Economics Is Secretly Shaping Your Life

1:37 — What Is Sacred To You? Sam Bowman Answers

6:50 — Why Freedom Isn’t Just “Leave People Alone”

8:48 — What If People Choose Harmful Things?

11:37 — Ozempic and the New Meaning of Self-Control

15:25 — Can You Have Morality Without God?

21:30 — No Child Should Grow Up Worried About Money

25:22 — Is Travel Overrated?

31:51 — Why Most People Are Too Risk-Averse

35:14 — The Real Purpose of Economics

38:42 — Who Gets to Decide What Gets Built?

43:32 — What “Neoliberal” Actually Means

50:31 — Can Growth Continue Forever?

54:11 — Are Emissions Rising Because of AI?

57:41 — Does Wealth Really Make Us Happier?

61:32 — Britain’s Biggest Problem: Housing

65:18 — Elizabeth's Reflections

What does it mean to be visibly Muslim in British public life right now?

Mehreen Khan has been living that question since she was eleven years old - when 9/11 turned her faith into something she had to defend.

She's now Economics Editor at The Times, the first woman and first person of colour in the role, and one of the most outspoken Muslim voices in mainstream British journalism.

We cover:

• What Islam really means to her — the concept of fitrah and why faith makes you a better journalist

• How 9/11 turned Islam into a punk identity for Mehreen and ego death

• Being the first woman and first person of colour as Economics Editor at The Times Davos, elite financial circles, and what you see when you're inside the room

• Money: why economics is never morally neutral, and what it might look like to bring moral imagination back to capitalism
• What it means to be visibly Muslim in Britain right now
• Why Mehreen is quietly rooting for the revival of Christianity in British public life

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👉 See Mehreen's work: https://www.thetimes.com/profile/mehreen-khan

Hugo Rifkind has spent his career observing power. He also grew up inside it — and never quite felt he belonged there.

In this episode, he talks about:

• The Scottish boarding school where violence was a point of pride... until a public inquiry forced the question
• About being Jewish in public life since October 7th, and what it felt like when the people his community relied on weren't there
• The thing he values most — connection — and his honest admission that what he often really means is something more one-sided than that

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💡Produced by ⁠⁠Theos Think Tank⁠⁠ in partnership with ⁠⁠Comment Magazine⁠⁠ and with support from ⁠⁠The Jerusalem Trust⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠Open Society Foundations

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Michael Pollan tried psychedelics at 55. What he found changed everything he thought he knew.

Michael is not a mystic or a guru. He is the kind of writer that scientists, doctors and serious intellectuals trust - someone who changed the way millions of people think about food, farming and the natural world. So when Michael Pollan tried psychedelics at 55 and came back saying the certainties had started to dissolve - the world began to listen in a way they simply wouldn't have for anyone else.

In this conversation, Michael and Elizabeth explore what it actually means to be conscious — and whether we're squandering it. Why does every psychedelic trip seem to arrive at the same slightly cliché and yet, beautiful conclusions? What have we lost by building a science of the mind that brackets out the body, the emotions and everything that actually feels like something? Why is the cool, analytical part of our brain so much louder than the part that knows how to be present — and who benefits from keeping it that way? And what are the algorithms really stealing when they steal our attention?

They cover:

• Why science keeps getting within reach of explaining consciousness — and then losing its nerve

• What psychedelics reveal that embarrasses serious researchers (and why that embarrassment is the clue)

• The Silicon Valley bid to upload consciousness
• How to protect your attention in an age designed to steal it
• Why not-knowing might be the most important skill of our time

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💡Produced by ⁠⁠Theos Think Tank⁠⁠ in partnership with ⁠⁠Comment Magazine⁠⁠ and with support from ⁠⁠The Jerusalem Trust⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠Open Society Foundations

👉 See Michael Pollan's work: https://michaelpollan.com/

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Chapters:

0:00 - Intro trailer

01:45 - What is Sacred to you? Michael Pollan answers

3:45 - When the ego dissolves: what psychedelics actually do

4:25 - Growing up with an alcoholic father and becoming the man with all the answers

6:01 - 'How to Change Your Mind; shifted culture

6:25 - Michael's lifelong obsession with nature

7:22 - Why feelings became an embarrassment to science

8:16 - First experience of psychedelics

9:18 - Is consciousness being polluted — and do we even notice?10:18 - Silicon Valley wants to upload the soul. Here's why that's terrifying

26:13 - Why being a sceptic, not an expert, made the psychedelic book so influential

28:33 - How writers sense a cultural shift before it happens

30:25 - The president who colonised our consciousness and won't leave

32:06 - Elizabeth's encounter with God at age 11

36:33 - The Zen cave, Roshi Joan Halifax, and learning to not know

41:27 - We can't afford to be anything less than present

43:24 - How men get scripted out of their own inner lives

46:10 - Consciousness as the secular word for soul

49:04 - Protect your inner life from the algorithm

52:12 - Why don't they just make a baby? The funniest moment in the book

54:24 - Ayahuasca, idealism and the scientist who changed his mind twice

56:06 - Cultivating the don't-know mind

56:32 - Elizabeth's reflections

What happens after winning Bake Off?

Jasmine Mitchell joins us to talk about perfectionism, alopecia, self-image, and learning to be fully yourself in a world obsessed with image.

Jasmine reflects on growing up in a home shaped by hospitality, losing her hair as a teenager, learning to let go of perfection, and the unexpected journey that took her from medical school to winning British Bake Off 2025.

Elizabeth Oldfield and Jasmine explore:

• Why “go slow” became Jasmine’s grounding philosophy
• Her journey with alopecia and being fully seen
• Reality TV, public image and is Bake Off different from the rest?
• Why hospitality and shared meals matter so deeply

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💡Produced by ⁠⁠Theos Think Tank⁠⁠ in partnership with ⁠⁠Comment Magazine⁠⁠ and with support from ⁠⁠The Jerusalem Trust⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠Open Society Foundations

👉 Follow ⁠Jasmine Mitchell: https://www.instagram.com/jasmine.mitchell/tagged/?hl=en

Nearly a decade into The Sacred, we’re still doing the same thing: having honest and curious conversations with people who see the world differently.

We're wondering why - like the return of spring - seeking to understand another person at a deep level never seems to get old.

There's something about learning to truly understand people outside our “tribe” that feels challenging and pleasurable all at once and we're seeing (nine years later!) just how much we need these conversations today.

As Maff Potts says, “the answer to our problems is each other.”

So this is a practice, a community and a place to sit with the hard questions and we're really glad you’re doing it with us.

— The Sacred Team - Elizabeth, Josh, Amari & Joe

👀 You may notice that our visuals have been levelled up. We’re delighted that our team is growing and The Sacred will be getting a lot more beautiful and creative!

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The world wasn’t built for everyone. Leah Libresco Sargeant on feminism, care, and the myth of the “neutral” human.

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Leah has spent her life following philosophy to its limits, from Kantian questions of moral truth to reckoning with human vulnerability. Her journey reveals what happens when the world is built for a ‘neutral human’ - and who it leaves behind.

This conversation explores feminism, gender difference, care, and what it really means to take morality seriously.

Leah is the writer of Dignity of Dependence, works in of family policy and is the host of Other Feminisms on Substack.

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What actually shapes the life you’re living - your own choices, or the ones you inherited?

In this episode of The Sacred, we are with Dr Rangan Chatterjee exploring the moments that force our values to the surface - births, deaths and major life events - and how they can reset the direction of our lives.

An Indian immigrant doctor, his father worked relentlessly to give his family opportunities — but it also came at a cost and contributed to the illness that ended his career and eventually his life. This left Dr Rangan with the question 'Dad, was it worth it?"

This conversation opens up topics that many of us choose to avoid:

• Workaholism and the drive for more

• What it really means to define “success” for yourself

• What it takes to consciously choose what we carry forward from our parents

Dr Rangan Chatterjee is a former GP, bestselling author and one of the UK’s most recognisable voices on a holistic approach to health.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

00:50 What is Sacred to You? Dr. Rangan Chatterjee answers

1:31 Staying connected to family roots

2:09 Career sacrifices and setting boundaries

5:14 Being non-judgmental around boundaries

6:23 Understanding empathy from a most-wanted criminal

9:11 Everyone's story makes sense

12:06 Indian upbringing vs western culture at school

13:41 Integrating eastern values into modern life

15:35 Teaching respect and kindness to children

17:29 Father's work ethic and health impact

19:41 "Was it worth it?"

22:29 Recognising overworking and knowing what is enough

24:51 Surprising personal interests and finding joy

27:30 Spiritual awakening, introspection and personal growth

29:19 Whose life are you leading?

33:39 Are you religious?

36:23 Responding to negative comments with kindness

39:56 Meaningful living and the importance of relationships, humour, and belief

Keywords:values, grief and growth, redefining success, what is enough, living with intention, family and sacrifice, work life balance, burnout and overwork, meaning of life, personal growth, self reflection, life purpose, inner work, emotional wellbeing, mental health, lifestyle medicine, holistic health, parenting and values, legacy and inheritance, immigrant family story, identity and belonging, cultural identity, compassion and empathy, curiosity over judgment, relationships and connection, modern life stress, slowing down, presence and mindfulness, gratitude practice, life transitions, dealing with loss, grief and clarity, success vs happiness, redefining ambition, work ethic rethink, conscious living, self awareness, asking better questions, deep conversations, philosophy of life, spirituality and meaning, living authentically, personal values, making better choices, life design, happiness and contentment, avoiding burnout, healing generational patterns, carrying forward what matters

We spoke to Stig Abell on how to live if nothing is ultimately sacred.

Elizabeth Oldfield and Stig explore detective fiction and our longing for justice, the consolations of books in an age of infinite scroll, the quiet crises many of us are living through, and whether “muddling along” might be the most honest way live.

This is a conversation about meaning and what remains when you’re not sure there is any.

We talk about:

• Why Stig feels more profane than sacred

• Books as portals out of panic

• Detective fiction and our longing for resolution

• The exhausting, competitive condition of modern life

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👉 Check out Stig’s work: https://www.instagram.com/thestigabell/?hl=en

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:28 What is Sacred to You? Stig Abell Answers02:48 Questioning the Concept of the Sacred

04:32 Suspicion of Institutions and Freedom in Randomness

06:13 The Principles of Fairness and Kindness

08:56 Work ethics, Loughborough roots, and the story behind “Stig"

12:11 Reading and the Pre-internet childhood

14:35 Reading as Empathy and Sacred Practice

15:58 The Nature of Doubt and Certainty

17:42 Evolution, Randomness, and Meaning Without Agency

19:59 Do “holy” moments require God?

23:54 The Press and Public Appetite For Bad News

29:56 Navigating the Complexities of Journalism

32:02 Navigating the Media Landscape

36:05 Being unboxable, tribal politics, and scepticism as a way of life

37:58 Highbrow, Lowbrow, and the Freedom to Read Widely

39:32 Imposter Syndrome and Self-Perception

43:17 The Comfort of Genre Fiction

46:42 The Search for Justice in Storytelling

49:24 The Human Need for Narrative

54:03 The Crisis of Modern Existence

56:41 Quiet Struggles and the Fear of Being Useless

58:51 Recognising Flaws in Ourselves and Others

Keywords:

A wide-ranging conversation with Stig Abell on doubt, belief, meaning, secularism, faith and scepticism, fairness and kindness, journalism and media ethics, detective fiction and crime novels, books and reading as refuge, panic attacks and anxiety, modern life and burnout, human rights and Christianity’s cultural legacy, tribalism and political identity, institutions and individual conscience, and how to live well - or at least muddle through - in an age of uncertainty and infinite scroll.

In this episode, Elizabeth Oldfield is joined by political theorist and author Sophie Lewis to explore one of the most provocative ideas: the abolition of the family.

Reflecting on her own complicated adolescence, Sophie asks what it would mean to reorganise society around love and collective care rather than accumulation?

Drawing on her book, Abolish the Family, Sophie argues that the nuclear family carries impossible burdens in a capitalist society - privatising care, exhausting women, and quietly treating children as property. Could we imagine a world where love, care, and kinship extend beyond the walls of the nuclear family?

Together, they talk about:

• Why “utopia” is a practice, not a destination

• The hidden labour inside the private household

• Surrogacy, reproduction and the myth of “unassisted” motherhood

• Are autonomy and care are opposites, or inseparable?

• Jesus’ radical redefinition of family and the overlap between Christianity and communism

• What Sophie really means by abolition

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Chapters:00:00 Intro01:30 What is Sacred to you? Sophie Lewis answers12:15 - Sophie’s complex family history and personal struggles17:08 - Educational journey and radicalisation at university 20:28 - The meaning of utopia as a non-attachment process 24:22 - Connections between faith, love, and collective action 31:42 - Dissecting the concept of "Full Surrogacy Now" 36:39 - The biological myths around kinship and their political implications 43:46 - The paradox of abolition47:01 - Abolishing slavery through a radical reimagining of humanism 50:04 - Redefining family and kinship beyond blood ties 58:37 - How revolutionary care structures could have supported Sophie’s mother 60:45 - Sophie’s dedication to collective love and care as sacred practices 65:55 - The importance of shared purpose, synchronised action, and community

Keywords:

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In this episode of The Sacred, Elizabeth Oldfield is joined by Jo Colman - great-great-great grandchild of the founder of Colman’s Mustard and now Chief Mint Officer of the family business, Summerdown - to explore a radically different story about generational wealth, power, business and belonging.

Jo reflects on growing up with deep security and love, how that shaped his sense of responsibility, and why privilege doesn’t have to turn inward into status-seeking, but can instead become a platform for risk, generosity and service.

Together, they talk about:

• How power and privilege can be redirected outward rather than hoarded

• Why Jo once rejected signet rings and why he now wears one

• Building ethical, regenerative businesses that add value instead of extracting it

• Adoption, family-making, and the real cost of inclusion

• How to build families, institutions and communities that can truly hold human complexityThis is a conversation about the kind of wealth that doesn’t shrink the soul.

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Chapters

00:00 Intro

01:07 What is Sacred to You? Jo Colman answers

03:02 Staying Present in Parenting

05:49 Hope vs. Optimism: Embracing Life’s Paradoxes

12:14 Wealth as Formation: Privilege and Responsibility

15:14 Building a Regenerative, Ethical Business

31:26 Creativity, Purpose, and Social Responsibility

32:22 Our Adoption Journey

35:33 Training and Preparation for Adoptive Parenting

37:44 Parenting Adopted Children: Real Challenges

39:57 Trauma, Healing, and the Power of Love

45:31 Bureaucracy and the Adoption Process

47:35 Understanding the Stories of Biological Families

50:09 Adoption as Plan B: A Broader Perspective

51:53 Small-A Anarchism and Community Engagement

55:31 Listening, Assumptions, and Understanding Adoption

58:02 Slowing down in parenting

Keywords:

Jo Colman, Colman Mustard, Summerdown Mint, generational wealth, inheritance, privilege for good, ethical entrepreneurship, conscious capitalism, regenerative business, sustainable business, business with purpose, using wealth responsibly, family beyond blood, adoption stories, adoptive parenting, building family, radical generosity, love as action, belonging, human complexity, non-anxious presence, prophetic imagination, spiritual formation, formation through faith, stewardship of privilege, power and responsibility, ethical leadership, business for impact, social impact business, purposeful life, vocation and calling, family-making as vocation, living ethically, hope versus optimism, accompaniment, relational leadership, intentional parenting, high-needs adoption, inclusive families, inclusive communities, societal change, moral courage, compassionate leadership, human flourishing, social responsibility, giving back, life of service, risk for good, cultivating resilience, forming community, transformative love, radical hospitality

Elizabeth Neumann, a former senior official in the Trump Administration, reflects on why she felt called to serve, what she witnessed from inside government, and how her commitment to integrity ultimately led her to step away.

In this conversation, she and Elizabeth Oldfield reflect on how extremism takes root, the role of integrity in polarised times, and why love, accountability, and formation matter more than outrage or power.

Key moments:

- Why Elizabeth Neumann worked in the Trump administration - and why she left

- The difference between loyalty, obedience, and integrity

- How fear drives polarisation and extremism

- What 911 on January 6th revealed about institutional fragility

- Why love is not soft, but essential for violence prevention

- The cost of truth-telling inside communities you care about

Chapters

00:00 Trailer

00:32 Intro

01:21 What is sacred to you? Elizabeth Neumann answers

03:34 Values in Hard Decision Making

08:47 Growing Up in the Bible Belt

14:06 Understanding Extremism and Fear

18:31 The Shift in Political Narratives

27:21 The Impact of 9/11 on National Security

32:02 The Psychological Drivers of Extremism

41:51 The Role of Love in Community Resilience

48:09 Navigating Political Loyalty in the Trump Administration 53:26 The January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol

01:00:18 Speaking Out Against Extremism

01:05:48 Engaging with Those at Risk of Radicalisation

Keywords:John Kelly, Christian extremism, Bush, Trump, political extremism in America, faith and politics, Elizabeth Neumann interview, former Trump administration official, extremism and fear, radicalization and identity, preventing political violence, January 6 insurrection analysis, national security and extremism, Christian nationalism explained, moral courage in politics, integrity vs loyalty, obedience and conscience, fear-based politics, polarization in America, how extremism takes root, psychological drivers of extremism, love as violence prevention, community resilience against extremism, speaking out against extremism, truth-telling in polarized communities, cost of dissent, faith formation and identity, Bible Belt culture, 9/11 and national security policy, domestic extremism explained, religious identity and politics, political loyalty and integrity, navigating moral conflict at work, radicalization warning signs, de-escalation and prevention strategies, engaging people at risk of extremism, the role of fear in radicalization, democracy under threat, institutions under strain, January 6 lessons learned, Christian ethics in public life, power vs moral responsibility, extremism inside institutions, violence prevention strategies, faith-based approaches to peacebuilding, why people believe extreme ideologies, breaking cycles of outrage, love and accountability in community, political identity and belonging, courageous leadership in divided times, how narratives shape extremism, faith, fear, and power, rebuilding trust across difference