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Early voting is breaking records, and Jen and Karen are talking about where politics and the horse world overlap. No endorsements, just honest conversation. They cover New York City's vote to phase out Central Park's carriage horses by 2028 and what it means for the horses and the people who earn a living with them. They also dig into the two paths Congress is weighing on horse slaughter, the SAFE Act and the BUILD America 250 Act, and why the issue is more nuanced than it first looks. Then it's on to data centers buying up farmland, including a Kentucky show stable fighting one across the road. Finally, the TIME Act, which could make it easier for international horses to compete here ahead of LA 2028. Plus: who needs to get Snoop Dogg on the phone?

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Red Flag, Pink Flag, Green Flag: The Show Barn Edition

Jen and Karen are back with a fan-favorite format, this time tackling policies you'll mostly find at show barns. Several of today's topics came straight from Jen's trainer group chat, so expect some real grassroots opinions (the clean version, anyway).

Karen hears each policy cold and gives her gut reaction, and the two don't always agree. They cover:

• Minimum horse show requirements — and whether trainers should charge a fee when riders miss them
• Tack room setup fees — plus whether clients should get a say in the décor, or just pay
• Onboarding fees and required supply lists — matching scrims, dress sheets, tack trunks and the cost of looking like a team
• Fees for showing with another trainer — one policy that surprised them both
• 30- to 60-day notice periods for leaving a barn
• Trainer-and-client-only riding rules — why safety and horse welfare come first

Karen also shares the barn policy (or lack of one) that made her most uncomfortable as a parent, and why reading the contract and asking questions up front saves everyone surprises.

Do you agree with their flags? Let us know, and don't forget to follow, like and subscribe!

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Should your lease contract include a social media clause? Jen Barker and Karen Tanner reopen the social media can of worms, picking up where their barn branding episode left off. This time the spark is a trainer's post asking how professionals balance kids sharing their riding journey with protecting a horse's reputation, and its owner's.

Karen has been on both sides, leasing horses for her son and leasing out a horse they owned. Jen brings the trainer's view. Together they cover:

• Why posting falls, stops and refusals on a leased horse can hurt an owner's ability to lease or sell
• How owners follow their leased-out horses online, and what would raise a red flag
• Why the trainer should be the go-between for owner and lessee
• Why a few seconds of a "fail" rarely tells the whole story
• Why trial vlogs are a bad idea, as more owners refuse to send horses on trial and buyers dig through streaming footage
• Lesson barns, and a 12-year-old's TikTok critique of a lesson horse that landed on the owner's For You page
• Whether horse show media teams should ask permission before posting unflattering clips, and how equestrian sport compares to a missed field goal

Along the way there's some lessor/lessee confusion, a Taylor Swift reference, and a rare moment where the hosts agree on where to draw the line. Bottom line: think about the owner, the trainer, and the horse before you hit post.

Catch the earlier branding episode if you missed it, and follow and subscribe for more from Scope.

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Jen Barker and Karen Tanner unpack the US Equestrian Federation’s appointment of Sonja Keating as its next CEO. They discuss whether the decision represents meaningful change, question the transparency of the search process, and debate whether members should have a greater voice in selecting leadership. The conversation also explores unity across disciplines and between stakeholders, and what Keating can do to earn the membership’s trust—while offering her a fair chance to lead.

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In this episode of The Scope, Jen Barker surprises co-host Karen Tanner with a very personal question: what turns a casual riding family into a fully committed equestrian one? They unpack the unexpected pull of competition, the realities of growing a lesson program, and whether being upfront about the costs and expectations of leasing, owning, and showing can scare away potential riders. Jen and Karen also explore ways to make competition more accessible—from in-barn shows and grooming contests to low-stakes opportunities that help riders and families discover their goals. Plus, they begin planning the ultimate at-home horse show, complete with parent competitions and craft cocktails.

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Karen Tanner and Jen Barker decode the hidden language of horse-sale ads in this hilarious episode of Scope. From “game” ponies and “specific homes” to “barn favorites,” “in your pocket,” and horses with "playful puppy personalities,” they translate familiar sales phrases into the practical truths buyers need to hear. Along the way, they share plenty of laughs—and one important reminder: bring an experienced trainer along before choosing your next horse.

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In this lively episode of Scope, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the vibrant world of local horse shows, particularly in the Southeast. The duo explores the abundance of equestrian events in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida, discussing how the sheer number of options can impact both trainers and riders.

Key Highlights:

•Southeast Show Scene: Karen and Jen reflect on the plethora of shows every weekend, emphasizing the advantages and challenges that come with such accessibility. While many options cater to diverse skill levels and budgets, the abundance can lead to scheduling conflicts and over-saturation.

•Types of Shows: They categorize the different types of horse shows available, from multi-discipline events and grassroots schooling shows to independent charity shows, and state-sanctioned competitions. Listeners gain insight into what each type offers, including the benefits of community-supported events.

•Culture and Climate: The hosts discuss why the Southeast has become a hub for equestrian activities, attributing it to favorable weather, cultural traditions, and the availability of land. They invite listeners to share their experiences in other regions to compare the equestrian culture across the U.S.

•Community and Tradition: Highlighting events steeped in tradition, like the annual Horse Show in the Woods, Karen and Jen celebrate the community spirit that surrounds many grassroots shows, contrasting them with more competitive, high-stakes environments.

•Listener Engagement: The episode concludes with a call for audience interaction, encouraging listeners to share their local horse show experiences and thoughts on the variety of options available in their areas.

Join Karen and Jen as they navigate the equestrian landscape, balancing the joys and challenges of horse showing, all while celebrating the rich community that makes it possible! Don’t forget to follow, like, and subscribe for more insightful discussions.

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive deep into the sometimes rocky relationships between horses and their riders. They explore what happens when a horse might not be the right fit for a rider or when a trainer makes a less-than-ideal match.

The conversation highlights critical aspects such as:

•Trainer Responsibilities: The obligations of trainers when a horse shows physical limitations or fails to meet the rider’s expectations, including navigating the difficult conversations about potential solutions.

•Adjusting Goals: The importance of flexibility in expectations and how riders, especially those with a strong desire to succeed, can adapt their goals to better match their horse’s abilities.

•Financial Considerations: The often unspoken financial implications of horse ownership, leasing, and the realities of potential losses when a horse doesn’t work out.

•Communication and Teamwork: Emphasizing the necessity of open dialogue among trainers, riders, and parents to develop effective strategies and foster a collaborative environment.

Join Karen and Jen as they share personal anecdotes, insights, and practical advice for navigating the complexities of horse riding, ensuring that both horse and rider can find their best path forward together. Tune in for an enlightening discussion that promises to resonate with anyone involved in the equestrian world!

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive back into the ongoing discussions surrounding the United States Equestrian Federation (USEF) and its leadership challenges. After receiving a surprising phone call from USEF President Tom O’Mara, the duo reflects on their previous conversations about the organization and the reactions they’ve stirred within the equestrian community.

The episode kicks off with a humorous recount of Jen’s initial panic upon the call, leading to a candid dialogue about their opinions on the USEF’s current handling of various situations. They express their commitment to sharing honest perspectives while acknowledging the need for fairness in their critiques. This leads to a broader discussion about the search for a new CEO, as the hosts explore an exhaustive list of qualifications that seem almost impossible to meet.

Amidst light-hearted banter, the conversation shifts to potential candidates for the CEO role, including the merits of having a veterinarian or someone from collegiate athletics lead the organization. They consider the appeal of candidates like Ellie Morris, who represents a fresh approach, but ultimately question her qualifications for the CEO position.

Throughout the episode, Jen and Karen emphasize the importance of effective governance in the equestrian world, all while maintaining their signature humor. They also touch on the need for a leader who understands social media dynamics, as well as the realities of running a multi-million dollar organization.

Listeners can expect a mix of insight, laughter, and engaging dialogue as the hosts encourage feedback and ideas from their audience. Tune in to this lively episode for a unique perspective on the future of USEF and what it means for the equestrian community at large.

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the pressing issue of accessibility in the equestrian world, specifically focusing on making horse shows more affordable. As they unpack a range of solutions, they tackle some controversial ideas that may stir the pot among equestrians.

Episode Highlights:

•Rethinking Prize Money: Jen and Karen propose eliminating prize money in the amateur and junior divisions, arguing that it may not incentivize participation. They suggest redirecting those funds to lower entry fees for all competitors.

•Membership Costs: The discussion shifts to the high costs associated with USEF and USHJA memberships. The hosts advocate for a tiered membership system that extends the validity of memberships based on the number of shows attended, helping those who participate less frequently.

•Braiding Debates: Another contentious point arises as they contemplate whether judges should penalize unbraided horses. Jen and Karen explore the implications of this practice on both costs and the livelihoods of braiders, suggesting a potential compromise to create more accessible showing options.

•Accessibility vs. Tradition: Throughout the episode, they challenge the equestrian community to reconsider traditions that may hinder accessibility. They emphasize that while some practices enhance the show experience, they can also contribute to rising costs.

Join Jen and Karen as they navigate these complex topics with humor and insight, aiming to spark a conversation that could lead to real change in the equestrian community.

Don’t miss this thought-provoking episode that blends practicality with a bit of rebellion, perfect for anyone invested in the future of horse showing!

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner revisit their recent judging episode, which sparked a lively debate. Jen receives a text that feels like a summons to the principal’s office, and it turns out to be from their guest, Sissy Wickes. With a mix of humor and seriousness, they dive deep into what they got right and wrong in their previous discussion about judging in equestrian competitions.

Sissy, an accomplished judge and trainer with extensive experience in the equestrian world, brings her expertise to the table. As a member of the US Equestrian Federation’s task force on judging, she has been instrumental in shaping standards and education. Sissy emphasizes the importance of understanding the judging process, noting that many misconceptions stem from a lack of education about what judges look for and the parameters of judging.

The trio discusses the complexities of judging different horses and the varying standards judges may have. Topics include the pressures trainers face, the realistic expectations riders should have, and the challenges of competing at different levels. They also touch on the vital role of transparency in the sport, questioning how to better educate participants and spectators alike.

As the conversation progresses, they explore the rise of social media and live streaming, and how these platforms can amplify criticism but also offer opportunities for constructive feedback. Sissy shares insights from her work on the USEF task force, advocating for changes in judging education and licensing that could lead to a more consistent judging experience.

This episode is packed with thoughtful dialogue, aiming to bridge gaps in understanding while fostering a community centered around learning and improvement within the equestrian world. Tune in for a candid discussion that might just challenge your perceptions of judging in horse sports!

Don’t miss this engaging episode featuring insightful perspectives from industry veterans.

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the intriguing world of equestrian judging with their segment “Red Flag, Green Flag, Pink Flag: Judges Edition.” Drawing on recent discussions surrounding pony finals, the duo explores the complexities and controversies of judging standards, the pressures judges face, and the impact of their decisions on competitors.

They kick off the episode with a light-hearted banter about vocal warm-ups and AI-driven feedback, setting a playful tone before delving into the serious topic of judging. Karen and Jen discuss the public scrutiny judges often endure, likening it to the pressures faced by officials in high-stakes sports like the NFL or NBA. They share insights from a judge who has experienced this firsthand, revealing the challenges of maintaining professionalism amidst criticism.

As they navigate various scenarios, they assess the nuances of judging criteria, including whether judges favor well-known trainers. They tackle the perception of bias, the importance of transparency in scoring, and the need for standardized deductions for errors.

Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that not only critiques the judging process but also emphasizes the need for understanding and growth within the equestrian community. Whether you’re a competitor, trainer, or just a fan of the sport, this episode offers valuable insights into the often-misunderstood role of judges in equestrian competitions.

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the charm and community spirit of heritage horse shows, specifically focusing on the beloved Blowing Rock Horse Show. Reflecting on their podcast journey, they discuss the growth in their delivery and editing skills over 70 episodes, while also sharing their candid thoughts on some of their earlier encore episodes.

Karen recounts her recent visit to Blowing Rock, a personal favorite, and highlights the unique aspects that set it apart from larger, “big box” shows. The duo explores the intimate feel of heritage shows, emphasizing the sense of community, nostalgia, and tradition that permeates events like Blowing Rock, where friendships are rekindled and shared experiences are cherished.

Key topics include:

•Community Connection: The hosts discuss how heritage shows foster relationships among riders, trainers, and attendees, creating a welcoming atmosphere that is often missing in larger venues.

•Nostalgia & Tradition: They delve into the generational legacy of shows like Blowing Rock, noting how its exclusivity and charm contribute to a unique experience that draws participants back year after year.

•Comparative Insights: Karen and Jen contrast the intimate, character-rich environment of heritage shows with the more industrial feel of big box shows, highlighting pros and cons of both.

•Logistical Challenges: They candidly address the practical aspects of showing at Blowing Rock, including the rustic conditions and the camaraderie that emerges in navigating them.

Join Karen and Jen as they celebrate the rich tapestry of the equestrian world, advocating for the continued support of heritage shows while embracing the evolution of the sport. Whether you’re a seasoned equestrian or new to the scene, this episode offers a heartfelt exploration of community and tradition in horse showing.

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker welcome the esteemed Dr. Rhea Merck, a sports psychologist and author, to explore the intricacies of performance anxiety and mental health in the equestrian world. As a veteran of working with student-athletes, Dr. Merck shares her insights on the psychological challenges riders face, especially those stemming from anxiety.

Karen and Jen dive deep into topics like the difference between healthy nervous energy and crippling anxiety, and how that affects both riders and their horses. They discuss techniques for grounding oneself, the impact of parental involvement on young athletes’ performance, and the importance of mindfulness practices in managing anxiety. Dr. Merck also introduces listeners to EMDR, a trauma treatment technique, explaining how it can aid athletes recovering from injuries or traumatic experiences.

With practical advice and relatable anecdotes, this episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in sports, particularly equestrian disciplines, shedding light on how mental health plays a critical role in athletic performance.

Join us for an enlightening conversation that not only addresses common struggles but also empowers athletes to harness their mental strength. Don’t forget to check us out on Patreon for exclusive content and workouts, and tune in next time for more insights on Scope!

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In honor of one of our favorite events of the year, we’re trotting out this classic episode!

In this lively episode of Scope, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner share their thoughts on the excitement and stress surrounding Pony Finals, particularly for parents and young riders.

The duo discusses the pros and cons of the event, offering insights from their own experiences—Jen recounts her time as a spectator and trainer, while Karen reflects on her unique pony-sized perspective. They emphasize the importance of managing expectations, setting realistic performance goals, and the camaraderie among young riders at the event.

Listeners will hear hilarious anecdotes, including a late-night camper saga and the emotional rollercoaster of pony swaps post-competition. Jen and Karen also touch on crucial topics like the costs involved, the significance of supportive environments, and the importance of good horsemanship practices.

Join Jen and Karen as they navigate the complexities of Pony Finals, highlighting the joy, challenges, and unforgettable moments that define this cherished event in the equestrian calendar. Whether you’re a seasoned equestrian or just curious about the world of ponies, this episode is full of relatable stories, expert tips, and plenty of laughter.

Tune in for a fun and informative discussion that celebrates the spirit of Pony Finals! 🐴✨

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In this exciting episode of the Scope Podcast, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the intriguing world of horse investment. With the backdrop of the World Cup sparking a lively discussion about soccer (or is it football?), the duo transitions into a captivating conversation about the realities of investing in horses.

They explore the differences between purchasing a horse as a genuine investment and acquiring one for personal use with the hope of reselling it for profit. Karen candidly shares her previous reluctance toward horse investments, while Jen offers insights into the financial risks involved, including ongoing costs like insurance and training.

Listeners will learn about various investment strategies, including the potential for quick turnovers and the importance of having a solid plan in place. They also discuss the dynamics of partnerships in horse investment, emphasizing the need for clear communication and agreements to avoid conflicts.

As the episode unfolds, Karen and Jen tackle pressing questions such as what to consider when investing in a horse with a good bloodline and the implications of breeding. With a mix of humor and practical advice, they remind listeners to approach horse investment with realistic expectations and a genuine love for the equine world.

Join them as they navigate the highs and lows of investing in horses, share personal anecdotes, and maybe even spark your interest in this unique venture. Tune in for a lively and informative discussion that blends passion with practicality! 🐴✨

What aspect of horse investment do you find most intriguing?

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the complexities of leadership within the equestrian community, focusing particularly on the recent departure of Bill Moroney from the United States Equestrian Federation (USEF). Their lively banter explores the mixed reactions from the membership, examining the challenges leaders face in a social media-driven world.

The conversation touches on:

•The Role of Social Media: Jen and Karen discuss how leaders like Moroney have struggled to adapt to the digital landscape, often leading to disconnects with the very community they serve.

•Communication Gaps: They highlight the importance of transparency and clarity in governance, suggesting that many members feel lost due to complicated jargon and insufficient outreach.

•The Future of Leadership: The hosts speculate on potential successors and what qualities future leaders should possess to bridge the gap between grassroots members and the governing body.

•Engagement Strategies: They emphasize the necessity for USEF to harness social media effectively to engage with members and foster a sense of community.

With their characteristic humor and relatable insights, Jen and Karen navigate the challenges of modern leadership, making a case for a more connected and responsive equestrian governance. Tune in for a candid discussion that will resonate with anyone involved in the sport!

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In this episode of The Scope Podcast, hosts Jen Barker and Karen Tanner dive into the fascinating world of horse show photography with special guest Bailey Smith of Bailey Smith Photography. With over a decade of experience, Bailey shares her journey from casually snapping pictures at events to becoming a sought-after professional in the field.

The conversation explores:

•The Evolution of Horse Show Photography: Bailey discusses how the shift to digital photography has impacted the industry, including the challenges posed by smartphone technology.

•Etiquette and Ethics: The trio delves into the unwritten rules of horse show photography, including the dos and don’ts for spectators and competitors alike. They address the importance of respecting show photographers’ work and the implications of unauthorized photo sharing.

•Business Insights: Bailey provides an insider’s view on how horse show photographers operate, including how they manage costs, pricing, and the dilemma of competing with amateur photographers.

•The Future of Photography at Shows: The episode wraps up with a discussion on potential changes in horse show management’s approach to hiring photographers, including the idea of including photography fees in show entry costs.

Join Jen, Karen, and Bailey for an insightful conversation filled with tips, stories, and a deeper understanding of the artistry and challenges behind capturing the perfect equestrian moment. Whether you’re a competitor, a parent, or simply a fan of horse shows, this episode offers valuable insights you won’t want to miss!

Tune in now to learn more about the captivating world of horse show photography!

Photo by Bailey Smith.

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In this episode of Scope, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into an unexpected journey that intertwines a quest for authentic matcha with the rollercoaster experience of Junior Hunter Finals.

The episode kicks off with a lighthearted discussion about Jen’s less-than-stellar social skills, particularly when it comes to navigating an Asian market in search of genuine matcha. As they humorously ponder the geographical identity of Japan, the conversation shifts to Jen’s disappointment over not attending the Junior Hunter Finals for the second consecutive year due to an unfortunate equine injury.

Karen and Jen explore the evolving qualification criteria for the event, debating whether the new, more accessible standards dilute the competitive nature of the finals. They share insights on managing expectations and the importance of communication between trainers, riders, and parents.

With heartfelt narratives about the Junior Hunter Finals grant awarded to Jen’s student, the duo considers the positive impact such grants can have on participants. However, their spirits dampen when discussing the complexities of scratching from the event and the USEF’s responses to their challenges, including the disappointing denial of a swag bag for the student.

Throughout the episode, Karen and Jen reflect on broader issues within the USEF, emphasizing the importance of compassion and connection between leadership and members. Their candid conversation is both entertaining and thought-provoking, making it a must-listen for anyone involved in the equestrian community.

Tune in to hear their stories, insights, and the heartfelt moments that make this episode a memorable exploration of competition, camaraderie, and the quest for the perfect matcha!

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In this episode of The Scope Podcast, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the often misunderstood world of training rides in the equestrian sport. They kick off the conversation with a light-hearted discussion about entertainment choices, touching on everything from Brian Adams to the Magic Mike show, before shifting gears to the essential topic at hand: how training rides can enhance both horse and rider performance.

Karen and Jen explore the various reasons why training rides are beneficial, especially for young riders and horses in need of a refresher. They discuss how these rides can improve rideability and build confidence in both horses and riders, emphasizing the importance of understanding each horse’s unique needs. The hosts also share personal anecdotes about their own experiences with training rides, shedding light on the complexities of horse leasing and the nuances of training different horses.

Listeners will learn about the signs that indicate a horse might need a training ride, the impact of professional rides on a horse’s performance, and how these sessions can help alleviate rider anxiety before competitions. The episode wraps up with practical tips for maximizing the value of training rides, including effective scheduling and the potential benefits of watching training sessions.

Join Karen and Jen for an insightful discussion that demystifies training rides and highlights their critical role in the equestrian community. Whether you’re an experienced rider or just starting out, this episode offers valuable insights into enhancing your riding journey.

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