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Kids have to feel safe before they can learn. Child psychologist and parent educator Dr. Emily King returns to Think Inclusive to talk about her new book, The Neurodivergent Learner: A New Approach to Your Child’s Success in the Classroom and Beyond. It is part brain science and part her own story as a mom, starting with her older son’s hard kindergarten year and ending with his high school graduation.

Emily explains why every classroom is already neurodiverse, why she ignores test scores when families pick a school (she looks at the building, the noise, the transitions, and whether teachers like working there), and how joining her PTA board taught her what parents of neurotypical kids can do for everyone else. She also says we use labels to get kids access to support, but the label should not decide where a child goes.

Then she calls behavior “the last thing that happens” and gives educators a step they can take tomorrow: email every adult who works with a student and ask whether they have ever seen the child do the thing the team is stuck on. We close with Awake Among the Stars, where Emily plays an anxious space botanist who names a volcano planet the amygdala.

Expanded show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/safe-before-ready-the-neurodivergent-learner-with-dr-emily-king/

Sponsors:

IXL, the all-in-one K-12 platform that adapts to each student: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive

Behavior 360 from Inclusive Schooling, professional learning that treats behavior as something to understand rather than manage: https://inclusiveschooling.com/mcie-behavior

When Elana Meyers Taylor won gold in women’s monobob at the Milan Cortina Winter Games, the first thing she did was find her sons and sign “Mommy won.” Both of her boys are deaf, and her older son, Nico, has Down syndrome. Sign language is the main language in their house.

Elana talks with Tim about why her family learned ASL when doctors said not to bother, what an IEP evaluator missed because she didn’t know a single sign, and why a six-time Olympic medalist wants everyone to know they are not defined by what they achieve. She is honest about school, too: what inclusion looked like for Nico, what didn’t work, and why her family homeschools for now.

Her starting point is the same as ours: ask what inclusion looks like for this kid first, then build from there. Plus, Elana plays Awake Among the Stars, our micro role-playing game, and discovers “grass fruit” on a world of floating mountains.

Read the expanded show notes: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mommy-won-elana-meyers-taylor-on-sign-language-worth-and-inclusion-1405/

Sponsors

• IXL, the all-in-one K-12 platform that adapts to each student: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive
• Behavior 360 from Inclusive Schooling, professional learning that treats behavior as something to understand, not just manage: https://inclusiveschooling.com/mcie-behavior

We say “inclusion” all the time. Michael McSheehan, owner and lead consultant of Evolve & Effect, says it’s time to say what we mean. He and four co-authors set out to write guidance about paraprofessionals and ended up writing the Five Features of Student Experience in a Continuum of Supports for Inclusive Education.

The five features are location, accessibility, participation, affirmation, and agency. Each one is measured by what the student experiences compared to classmates without disabilities, not by what the classroom has. Michael explains why a student doing the same content with a para off to the side is not participating, why affirmation starts with “Is my name on the roster?”, and why special education and general education run on theories of learning that mix like oil and vinegar.

After the interview, Michael plays Awake Among the Stars, our micro role-playing game adapted from Alone Among the Stars by Takuma Okada, and names a planet after his childhood dog.

Expanded show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/say-what-you-mean-michael-mcsheehan-on-the-five-features-of-inclusion-1404/

Sponsors

IXL, an all-in-one K-12 platform that adapts to each student and builds a personalized learning plan: https://ixl.com/inclusive

Behavior 360 from Inclusive Schooling, professional learning that treats behavior as something to understand rather than manage: https://inclusiveschooling.com/mcie-behavior

Magen Rooney-Kron started out co-teaching in Chicago Public Schools. When she asked where her students with intellectual disabilities went after high school, the answers were “I don’t know” and “they go home.” The class meant to prepare them for work had them putting spoons in bags. She has worked on transition ever since, and today she is an assistant professor of inclusive education at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

Tim and Magen talk about why so few people with intellectual disabilities have real jobs, why paid work in the community beats job shadowing and task boxes that reset every day, and why a student who “doesn’t want to work” might just not want to bag groceries. Magen explains dignity of risk: letting students try, make mistakes, and face real consequences, with the right supports in place.

Her most striking finding: teachers said the work site was the first place their students were included and held to high expectations. Not the classroom. The job. The episode closes with Awake Among the Stars, where Magen’s Captain Dash explores a jungle world and names it Tedasaurus.

Expanded show notes and full transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/real-jobs-real-risk-magen-rooney-kron-on-transition-and-employment-1403/

Sponsors

IXL, an all-in-one K-12 platform that adapts to each student and builds a personalized learning plan: https://ixl.com/inclusive

Behavior 360 from Inclusive Schooling, professional learning that treats behavior as something to understand rather than manage: https://inclusiveschooling.com/mcie-behavior

Andrew Goff threw a mug that said “Best teacher ever” at a wall. It was his twelfth year in the classroom, and the email that set it off came from someone he had counted as an ally. His second memoir, Shattered and Becoming: A Teacher’s Journey Between Policy and Purpose, is about the year that followed.

A new principal told Andrew he could not speak Spanish with the three-quarters of his pre-K class who spoke it. The policy did not actually say that, and Andrew found out too late to use it. Two boys in that classroom, both labeled with autism, both named David, were thriving with embedded supports. When Andrew brought the data, the answer was that it worked in his classroom but would not work in anyone else’s. Both boys ended up in self-contained autism classrooms.

Andrew will not let us make villains out of the people whose decisions caused that harm, and he explains why without letting anyone off the hook. We also get into designing curriculum for the margins, the not knowing mindset, and following the breadcrumbs after a fifteen-year federal grant is canceled by email. Then Andrew becomes the first guest to play Awake Among the Stars.

Expanded show notes, resources, and the full transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/shattered-and-becoming-andrew-goff-and-the-weight-of-being-enough-1402/

Sponsors

IXL, an all-in-one K-12 platform that adapts to each student: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive

Behavior 360 from Inclusive Schooling, professional learning that treats behavior as something to understand rather than manage: https://inclusiveschooling.com/mcie-behavior

Emma Rufo went to a restaurant in her wheelchair and was handed a kid’s cup with a lid. Everyone else at the table got a regular one. She came back another day walking with crutches, and got a cup with no lid.

Emma and her mom, Dr. Jenna Mancini Rufo, join Tim to talk about what happens when adults decide instead of asking. Emma describes the year her school assigned her an aide, why it felt like being watched rather than helped, and how she got the support removed. Jenna talks about advocating as a parent after almost two decades as a special educator and administrator, and about being dismissed as just another anxious mom.

Plus, the debut of Awake Among the Stars, the micro role-playing game that now closes every episode.

Expanded show notes, resources, and the full transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/just-ask-what-inclusive-support-really-feels-like-with-jenna-and-emma-rufo-1401/

Sponsors

IXL, an all-in-one K-12 platform that adapts to each student and builds a personalized learning plan: https://www.ixl.com/inclusive

Behavior 360 from Inclusive Schooling, professional learning that treats behavior as something to understand rather than manage: https://inclusiveschooling.com/mcie-behavior

Meg Grigal is the director of Think College at the Institute for Community Inclusion at UMass Boston. With over 25 years of experience researching pathways to higher education for students with intellectual disabilities, she has been a pivotal force in transforming inclusive postsecondary education and leading the charge for innovative research and action.

Clare Papay serves as the Senior Associate for Inclusive Postsecondary Education at Think College and a co-principal investigator on national projects. Her expertise stems from nearly a decade of experience working closely with systems and programs designed to expand access to college for students with intellectual disabilities.

In this enlightening episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas is joined by Dr. Meg Grigal and Clare Papay from Think College. Together, they tackle the crucial question: Can students with intellectual disabilities attend college? The conversation sheds light on the surprising possibilities and initiatives in inclusive postsecondary education, centered around the successful incorporation of students with intellectual disabilities into higher education institutions.

Meg Grigal and Clare Papay discuss how families often don’t realize that college boundaries have expanded to accommodate students with intellectual disabilities. They delve into how programs like Think College are leading this transformative movement, turning skepticism into affirmation through real-world examples and dedicated campaigns like the Think Higher video. Emphasizing the importance of personal visits to witness campus life, the guests underscore how seeing these programs in action can dramatically shift perceptions and expectations for what students with intellectual disabilities can achieve in a college setting.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/unlocking-college-access-for-students-with-intellectual-disabilities-with-think-college-1343/

This episode was made possible with generous support from Think College. Learn more at http://thinkcollege.net.

Join us for episode three of MCIE's "Think Inclusive" four-part series in collaboration with Think College, as Tim Villegas visits the IDEAL program at Georgia State University in downtown Atlanta. IDEAL — Inclusive Digital Expression and Literacy — is a college program for students with intellectual disabilities built around creative media: film, television, and digital arts. It is also a commuter program. There are no dorms and no leafy college town here. Every student crosses one of the most traffic-choked metro areas in the country to get to class, some of them spending three hours a day on buses or paratransit for the privilege. The episode opens in a careers class, where nine students name their dream careers: veterinarian, flight attendant, musician, actor, podcaster, comic book writer.

The heart of the episode is a question about what stands between a dream like that and an actual job — and the answer starts with a checkbox. Employment coordinator Mykal Tairu spent years as a community organizer working on Ban the Box, the policy fight over whether a person with a criminal record gets to introduce themselves before their application lands in the trash. He argues that adults with intellectual disabilities face a version of the same box, just unprinted. Along the way, Tim spends a morning with students Isaiah and David, hears what a real job in the film department means to a comic book writer, and learns what happens when a program insists that hiring its graduates is not a favor. As Tairu puts it, it's not a charity case. It's a case where an employer sees the value someone brings and decides they need him.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dream-careers-inside-the-minds-of-georgia-states-ideal-students-1342/

Join us for episode two of MCIE's "Think Inclusive" four-part series in collaboration with Think College, as Tim Villegas travels to the University of California, Davis, to visit the Redwood SEED Scholars Program — California's first four-year residential college program for students with intellectual disabilities, and the first at any UC campus. SEED stands for Supported Education to Elevate Diversity, and the name comes from an unlikely grove of redwood trees growing in the Central Valley heat, holding each other up by their shallow, interlocking roots. It's a fitting image for a program built on community: scholars live in the dorms, take UC Davis classes across 27 different departments, work paid jobs on campus and in town, and are surrounded by more than 170 paid peer mentors.

The story starts with founding director Beth Foraker, her son Patrick, and a blister on a Friday night in a Virginia dorm room — the moment she understood what her state was failing to offer its young adults with intellectual disabilities. From there, this episode follows the program's fast, improbable build (a $2.1 million federal TPSID grant in October 2020, first scholars on campus by August 2021), the "ladder of opportunity" that moves scholars from internships into careers with employers like UC Davis Logistics and the Mondavi Center, and what happened to the program's first graduating class: eighty-eight percent living independently, all of them working, none of them with a job coach. Along the way, senior scholar Audrey Schlossberg, ticket office manager Amy Roark, and logistics director Jen Carmichael make the case that inclusive higher education changes campuses and communities as much as it changes students — and Beth makes an argument she thinks the whole country needs to hear about building four-year programs with inclusive living.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/redwood-seed-scholars-roots-that-hold-each-other-up-1341/

This episode was made possible with generous support from Think College. Learn more at http://thinkcollege.net.

Lachi is a distinguished figure in the music and media industries, known for her work as an award-winning recording artist, producer, and advocate. She has a dynamic career that includes a Grammy-nominated album, hosting the PBS series Renegades, and founding the organization RAMPD (Recording Artists and Music Professionals with Disabilities). Lachi is also a national trustee of the Recording Academy and she identifies as blind and neurodivergent.

In this riveting episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas engages in a profound conversation with the multitalented Lachi, who uses her platform to advocate for disability pride and accessibility in the music industry. The episode dives deep into how language shapes our understanding of disability, and why Lachi chooses to “identify as blind,” a declaration that challenges societal norms and sparks dialogue about the disabled community versus the disabled population.

Joining this dialogue, Lachi shares her experiences growing up with blindness and neurodivergence, highlighting how these challenges shaped her career as a musician and advocate. This episode is rich with insight into Lachi’s philosophy on inclusion and her journey to remove stigmas attached to disabilities. Her reflections on navigating the industry, establishing RAMPD to support disabled music professionals, and the importance of speaking to individuals with dignity and respect offer a thoughtful critique on how society views and engages with disability.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/i-identify-as-blind-lachi-on-disability-language-identity-and-why-words-matter-in-schools-1340/

LeDerick Horne is a spoken word poet, advocate, and speaker known for his work in special education and disability advocacy. He serves as the board chair of All In for Inclusive Education and is co-author of “Empowering Students with Hidden Disabilities: A Path to Pride and Success.” LeDerick has performed his poetry at high-profile venues, including the White House, and is the co-host of the “Black and Dyslexic Podcast.” His work primarily revolves around exploring his dual identity as a Black man with a learning disability, utilizing poetry to advocate for inclusive education practices.

In this insightful episode of Think Inclusive, Tim Villegas is joined by LeDerick Horne, a distinguished advocate for inclusive education and a spoken word poet. The conversation delves into the implications of labeling in education and the transformative power of truly inclusive environments. As someone who has navigated the challenges of a learning disability, Horne shares his journey and the significance of acknowledging disability as a political identity.

The dialogue explores how educators can effectively support students with hidden disabilities such as dyslexia. With an emphasis on collaboration among teachers and acknowledging gaps in knowledge, Horne asserts that integration within classrooms should not merely be about co-location but about genuine collaboration and support. Furthermore, the episode includes a compelling discussion on the intersectionality of race and disability, urging educators to demystify neurodiversity and challenge systemic segregation in schools.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/navigating-identity-poetry-disability-and-inclusion-advocacy-with-lederick-horne-1339/

Angela Macklin is a dedicated special education teacher and inclusive systems leader who played a pivotal role in transforming Cottage Lake Elementary School into a hub of inclusivity. Angela’s expertise in Universal Design for Learning (UDL) and inclusive practices has now extended to the district-wide level in the North Shore School District, Washington. Her innovative approach is centered on fostering environments where every student can thrive, focusing on systemic change from the ground up.

Sue Wright is an experienced kindergarten teacher at Cottage Lake Elementary, where she has taught for 15 years. She possesses firsthand knowledge of how segregated and inclusive practices impact students and faculty. Over the years, Sue has become a vital ally in implementing inclusive models at the school, working closely with Angela Macklin to break down barriers between general and special education.

In this enlightening episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas engages with Angela Macklin and Sue Wright to uncover what happens when a school stops waiting for the ideal inclusive blueprint and takes matters into its own hands. At the heart of Cottage Lake Elementary’s transformation lies a commitment to fostering inclusive educational spaces where every student is valued and no classrooms are segregated. Through their account, Angela and Sue provide insider insights into creating schools where each child truly belongs, recounting their journey of trial, error, and ultimate success.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/building-inclusive-schools-a-journey-of-transformation-and-belonging-with-angela-macklin-and-sue-wright/

Melissa McCollough is the Principal and Director of Early Childhood for the East Moline School District in Illinois. A pioneer in inclusive early childhood education, she oversees a program where every preschool classroom is an inclusive one. Melissa is recognized for her innovative approaches to early childhood education and her dedication to creating inclusive learning environments for all children.

Jani Kozlowski is a Technical Assistance Specialist with the Early Childhood Technical Assistance Center at the University of North Carolina’s Frank Porter Graham Child Development Institute. She is also the author of “Every Child Can Fly,” and is well-versed in strategies for inclusive education. Her expertise involves providing support and training to enhance early childhood inclusion practices.

In this episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas engages in a meaningful discussion with Melissa McCollough and Jani Kozlowski about the essence of inclusive early childhood education. They delve into how inclusive practices can be organically integrated at the early stages of schooling, ensuring that children with disabilities are educated alongside their typically developing peers in welcoming environments.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/if-not-now-then-when-early-childhood-education-lre-and-inclusion-with-melissa-mccollough-and-jani-kozlowski-1337/

Glenna Wright-Gallo is the Vice President of the Office of Strategic Research and Policy at Everway, a global neurotechnology software company. She has previously served as the Assistant Secretary for Special Education and Rehabilitative Services at the U.S. Department of Education. Glenna is also a person with a disability, a parent, and a former state Director of Special Education. Her extensive experience across educational roles at state and federal levels positions her as an influential figure in shaping inclusive education policies and practices.

In this riveting episode of Think Inclusive, Tim Villegas speaks with Glenna Wright-Gallo about the pressing need to shift from a compliance-focused model to outcomes-focused education within special education systems. Glenna brings a wealth of knowledge from her extensive career in education advocacy, emphasizing the importance of aligning educational practices with the intent of IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act) to create systems that genuinely serve all learners. This episode delves into how educational structures, often hampered by outdated schedules and siloed learning environments, can truly realize the promise of inclusive education by focusing on system-wide solutions rather than ad-hoc heroics.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/shifting-focus-from-compliance-to-outcomes-in-education-with-glenna-wright-gallo-1336/

Leah Kuypers is a distinguished occupational therapist, internationally acclaimed trainer, and speaker renowned for creating the Zones of Regulation framework. With a strong background in occupational therapy and experience as an autism resource specialist, Leah has contributed significantly to international educational practices with her innovative approach to emotional and energy regulation within schools. Her work emphasizes the integration of both co-regulation and self-regulation strategies for learners, partnering with educators to foster a supportive environment for social and emotional development. Leah Kuypers continues to influence schools around the globe with her updated digital curriculum of Zones of Regulation, building on over 15 years of expert knowledge and application in the field.

In this insightful episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas chats with Leah Kuypers, the creator of the internationally recognized Zones of Regulation framework. Designed to help manage emotions and energy levels, this model is used globally to encourage the development of self-regulation skills within educational settings. The conversation centers around understanding regulation as a skill that can be taught—not just a behavior to manage. They explore the transformative impact of the Zones framework for entire school communities, highlighting how it shifts traditional disciplinary models to more supportive and skill-building approaches.

Jonathan Hooper is a distinguished educator and a certified teacher of students with visual impairments (TVI) and an assistive technology professional (ATP). With 13 years of experience as an itinerant vision teacher in New York City, Jonathan currently contributes his expertise at Pediatric VIEW at The Children's Home of Pittsburgh. There, he specializes in Cortical Visual Impairment (CVI) and complex support needs alongside Dr. Christine Roman Lantzy. His journey into the field was driven by firsthand classroom experiences with a student with visual impairments, which inspired him to transition from a general education role to a specialized advocate for inclusive education.

In this insightful episode of Think Inclusive, hosted by Tim Villegas, listeners explore the essential aspects of creating inclusive environments for students with visual impairments. Jonathan Hooper shares his journey from a general education teacher to a specialist in visual impairments, emphasizing the separation of vision from cognition and the significance of presuming competence. The discussion broadly encompasses the value and implementation of accessibility in educational contexts, ranging from academic subjects to everyday social interactions in lunchrooms and playgrounds.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/inclusion-for-students-with-visual-impairments-overcoming-barriers-together-with-jonathan-hooper-1334/

Ryan Honick is an award-winning disability advocate, professional persuader, and prominent speaker. Over the years, he has forged significant pathways in advocacy on Capitol Hill, within federal government parameters, nonprofit organizations, and expansive PR firms. Honick is recognized for his influential work in publicizing the challenges faced by individuals using rideshare apps with service dogs, which led to a noteworthy lawsuit filed by the Department of Justice. Currently matched with his second service dog, Lovey, Honick remains an indefatigable voice in the arena of disability rights, leveraging platforms like LinkedIn to share his narrative and insights.

In this invigorating episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas is joined by remarkable disability advocate Ryan Honick. The spotlight is on Ryan's relentless decade-long fight against rideshare app discrimination towards service dog users, culminating in a Department of Justice lawsuit. Villegas delves into the parallels between Honick's personal advocacy experiences and the indispensable fight for inclusive practices within educational settings, resonating deeply with educators and families nationwide.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/fighting-to-stop-fighting-what-keeps-advocates-like-ryan-honick-going-1333/

Patrick Mulick is a board-certified behavior analyst, a certified speaker, trainer, and coach with the John Maxwell team. Serving as the Director of Student Engagement at the Auburn School District in Washington State, Patrick holds degrees in Special Education and Behavior Analysis from Gonzaga University. He has years of experience teaching students with disabilities, particularly those with autism and complex behavioral needs, and is now a nationally recognized speaker who shares practical tools and strategies for educators.

In this episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas sits down with Patrick Mulick, a behavior analyst and Director of Student Engagement at Auburn School District, to discuss reducing the use of restraint and eliminating isolation in schools. Patrick recounts how the pandemic provided a turning point for schools to rethink their approach to handling students with complex behavioral needs. By implementing proactive strategies, shifting focus from restraint to personalized support, and using data-driven approaches, Patrick has successfully led his district to significantly reduce incidents of isolation and restraint.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/patrick-mulick-why-bad-choice-is-the-wrong-language-for-schools-1332/

Join us on this insightful episode of MCIE's "Think Inclusive" podcast, as Tim Villegas delves into the Terps Exceed program at the University of Maryland. Explore the innovative two-year initiative that integrates students with intellectual disabilities into university life, providing them with education, employment, and social opportunities typically seen in post-secondary education settings. With compelling narratives from students, peer mentors, and coordinators, this episode highlights the vital role of inclusive post-secondary education in evolving societal perspectives.

The Terps Exceed program at UMD exemplifies how creating inclusive college environments benefits all students. As part of a four-part series in collaboration with Think College, this episode uncovers how peer mentors contribute to a transformative college experience for students with intellectual disabilities. Key figures, such as Betsy Tornquist and Amy D'Agati, share the program's journey and its broader implications, setting an inspiring precedent for other institutions.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/terpsexceed-making-college-possible-for-all-1330/

This episode was made possible with generous support from Think College. Learn more at https://thinkcollege.net/.

About the Guest(s):

Michelle Garcia Winner is a renowned speech-language pathologist and the founder of Social Thinking. With over 30 years of experience, she has developed a methodology that seeks to aid teachers, therapists, and families in supporting social and organizational learning. Her work focuses on helping individuals, especially those on the autism spectrum, understand and enhance their social thinking skills.

In this episode of Think Inclusive, host Tim Villegas sits down with Michelle Garcia Winner, the mind behind the Social Thinking methodology. With a rich conversation centered around the invisible social rulebook, they discuss how educators and therapists can move beyond teaching social skills as mere behaviors. Michelle unfolds her insights into interpreting social situations, self-advocacy, and flexible thinking, breaking down the complexities into teachable and actionable strategies.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/rethinking-social-skills-teaching-social-thinking-for-all-learners-with-michelle-garcia-winner-1330/