Podcast
What's The Plan? with Leah Greenberg and Ezra Levin
What’s The Plan is one of America’s largest live, participatory political conversations, designed to inform, mobilize, and grow the pro-democracy movement.
A weekly guide to the state of democracy and how we fight back against authoritarian threats in the United States.
Hosted by Leah Greenberg and Ezra Levin, Co-founders of Indivisible. What’s The Plan isn’t punditry, it’s people-powered politics in real time.
New episodes every Friday wherever you get your podcasts.
To learn more and get involved in No Kings, visit https://www.nokings.org/?utm_source=wtp_podcast.
- Episodes
- 42
- Releases
- Weekly
- Typical length
- 1 hr 5 min
- On air since
- 2026
- Latest episode
- 4 days ago
Episodes
42 episodes, newest first
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1 hr 6 min
How to Build a Midterm Landslide w/ Abdul El-Sayed
Episode 42
Show notes
The wind is at our backs, we’ve been building the momentum, and now we have to run through the tape. As Trump threatens election sabotage, our best response is massive turnout producing a historic wave impossible to ignore or subvert. And who better to discuss the art and science of electoral organizing than Abdul El-Sayed, the man at the center of the most-talked-about race in the country this year? We talk to Abdul about his upset victory in the primary and how he’s building a big coalition for a “Big America” in the general election. And as always, we take your questions live!
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 7 min
How to Win Friends and Take On a Trillion-Dollar Tech Company
Episode 41
Show notes
We just pulled off the largest early-vote effort in history: 3,000 joyful, powerful, community-driven No Kings actions all over the world. In this episode, we discuss new data showing the impact of this historic effort, but that’s not all. We also dig into the ongoing tussle between No Kings and Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta, which unilaterally disabled the national No Kings social media account in the middle of this day of action. We break down their bogus excuses and the developing congressional interest in investigating the Trump-aligned tech giant. And as always, your live questions!
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 4 min
How to Feel Optimism Under Authoritarianism
Episode 40
Show notes
Authoritarians win by spreading fear and confusion. Sure, there’s plenty to worry about when we’ve got a fascist in the White House threatening his opponents and promising October sabotage surprises. But we’re going to make a go at NOT giving Trump what he wants. In this episode, we’re making the case for optimism, and we’ve got a strong case to make! We go through the best arguments, then take your questions live!
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 6 min
How Trump Is Trying to Fearmonger His Way to a Win
Episode 39
Show notes
The Trump regime is trying to fearmonger its way to an electoral win. Our challenge is to take the threat seriously and act with confidence, without handing the regime power it doesn’t have or feeding the cynicism that demotivates our side. In this episode, Leah and Ezra talk about how the regime is ramping up its fear tactics, why that’s actually a sign of weakness, and what our strongest response looks like: No Kings, early voting, election defense, and community mobilization. We’re a little more than a week out from No Kings on October 17, the biggest effort against election sabotage in American history. We’ve all got work to do, and we’re gonna talk about how we all have a role in doing it!
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 3 min
How a red state flips in a blue wave w/ Angie Nixon
Episode 38
Show notes
How do you flip a red state in a blue wave? From Texas to Iowa to Kansas to Florida, a blue wave appears to be building this fall that could transform American politics for years to come. In this episode, we talk to one of the most prominent wave builders in the country. Angie Nixon was outspent 16-to-1 in Florida's Democratic primary for U.S. Senate this summer and won by more than 10 points. Now she's running in the general election against a corrupt Trump pick. We get into the current state of the Democratic Party, the strategy for flipping Florida blue, and the role of No Kings and grassroots movements in her campaign.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 5 min
How a movement can check an authoritarian, w/ Erica Chenoweth
Episode 37
Show notes
How do you stop an authoritarian with a mass movement? What strategies and tactics have actually worked, here in the U.S. and abroad? We ask one of the best teachers on the subject: Erica Chenoweth, the Harvard professor known for research on political violence and its alternatives. We get into the 3.5% rule, the next No Kings, and what we can achieve together. Then it's a classic What's the Plan live Q&A on Supreme Court reform, election messaging, and how to stop post-election sabotage.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 6 min
How social movements can stop the AI robot overlords
Episode 36
Show notes
Whether you think the AI apocalypse is imminent or the bubble is about to burst, the political impact of this technological acceleration is only going to grow. This is our first, and likely not our last, What's the Plan on the threat. Ezra and Leah discuss what the threat is, which villains are accelerating us toward disaster, and what role a mass movement plays in this moment. Then, live Q&A: election crises and protection at the polls, what happens if Mike Johnson tries to stage a coup, and effective voter contact tactics.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 5 min
How the Next No Kings Will Fight Election Sabotage
Episode 35
Show notes
They want to sabotage the midterm elections, and we're not going to let them. That's the point of No Kings on October 17th. On this week's What's the Plan, we talk about how we do that together. How is this one different from No Kings 1, 2, and 3? What can we hope to achieve? How does early voting contribute to election defense? What powerful, fun, and funny community events are people around the country planning? Costumes, dog walks, Halloween themes, puppets, concerts, carnivals, and more. And we take a minute to discuss how we'll make John Fetterman irrelevant.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp/
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1 hr 3 min
How to Message in Battleground States w/ Celinda Lake
Episode 34
Show notes
Now that we've won primaries all over the country with a new generation of Democratic fighters, how do we win over voters in enough battleground states to take the House and Senate in November? We do a deep dive on a new polling project with pollster extraordinaire Celinda Lake on what the data says and how we can use it to crush this corrupt regime in the midterms. In the live Q&A we talk about combating cynicism on our own side, what acts of courage inspire us, how we enforce big-tent unity, and the next No Kings.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp/
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1 hr 9 min
How to Fix This MAGA Supreme Court w/ Elie Mystal
Episode 33
Show notes
The Supreme Court is not your friend, and it's no friend to our democracy. It is a friend to Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. This week it handed Trump a partial victory in his attempt to undermine mail-in voting, the latest in a string of MAGA rulings on abortion, voting rights, campaign finance, and executive branch immunity. So what do we do about it? We talk with Elie Mystal, the brilliant and fearless justice correspondent for The Nation, about how the court is broken, what reforms could actually fix it, and how organizers around the country can bring accountability sooner rather than later. Then we hit a lightning round of listener Q&A on general election unification, the SAVE Act, and immigrant defense.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp/
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1 hr 3 min
How to Understand Your Rights as This Regime Flails
Episode 32
Show notes
Trump is doing what all fascist losers do in the lead-up to a catastrophic electoral wipeout: he's preparing to sabotage the election. And repression of civil society and activists is a key part of the playbook. In this episode, Leah and Ezra run through four real-world scenarios pro-democracy organizers may face in the coming months and explain what your rights are and how to exercise them. Then it's lots of live Q&A on election sabotage, scam PACs, Democratic messaging for the general election, and more!
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp/
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1 hr 5 min
How to Dislodge an Entitled Do-Nothing Incumbent w/ Patrick Roath
Episode 31
Show notes
We're nearing the end of primary season with ten Senate and House wins under our belt. We're technically on vacation with our kids this week, but we couldn't wait to talk about our very last primary endorsement. So while the kids play with grandma and grandpa, we sit down with Patrick Roath, who is taking on a multi-decade do-nothing incumbent in a safe blue district, to discuss ICE accountability and rejuvenating the Democratic Party. Then in live Q&A: the Delete DoorDash campaign, ICE at the polls, ranked choice voting, and mobilizing in response to regime-instigated emergencies.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp/
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1 hr 5 min
How to Build a Pro-Democracy Media Diet (plus Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan!)
Episode 30
Show notes
What makes up a pro-democracy media diet? We've got data straight from the Indivisible movement! Where does the movement get its facts, its breaking news, its analysis, its historical context, its action items...and its emotional regulation? We dig into all of it, then sit down for some emotional regulation of our own with the always incredible Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan. She updates us on the state of her race and what we all can do to get her across the finish line. Plus, as always, live Q&A: the next major mobilization, unifying after primaries, and messaging for a general election audience.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 4 min
How to Actually End Citizens United w/ Jarrett Keohokalole
Episode 29
Show notes
Most of us who aren't walking, talking embodiments of a corporate super PAC agree that campaign money is infecting and perverting our politics. But very few people actually do something about it. Today we talk with Hawaii State Senator Jarrett Keohokalole, lead author of a first-in-the-nation state campaign finance law — designed, passed, and enacted earlier this year — to constitutionally get money out of politics. He also happens to be challenging a corporate Democrat in a deep blue district in a primary next week. After talking shop with Jarrett, Leah and Ezra take listener questions: Do Democrats need a positive vision? Why don't people vote on democracy, and what do we do about it? And how do we fight back against the ongoing attacks on elections?
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 6 min
How to defeat the neo-confederacy w/ Justin J. Pearson
Episode 28
Show notes
Today we're joined by a modern-day political hero: Justin J. Pearson. An elected state representative from Tennessee, Justin has taken on the state's MAGA political leadership and Elon Musk's data centers, and is now wading into the fight against Trump's national gerrymandering by running for Congress to represent Memphis. Ezra and Leah give an update on the crypto corruption crisis in Congress, and take questions on trustworthy news sources in today's fractured media environment, depriving the trolls of our attention, and planning for this weekend's nationwide actions in solidarity with immigrant communities under threat.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 4 min
How to respond to Trump's secret police escalation
Episode 27
Show notes
Trump's Xenophobia Czar says Democrats need to shut their mouths or the bloodshed will continue. We're not going quiet. Trump's flailing is the act of a desperate, weakening authoritarian intent on causing as much harm as possible on his way down. Leah and Ezra talk about justice for Lorenzo Salgado Araujo and Johan Sebastián Guerrero, responding to the ICE escalation, and the biggest political corruption story in modern American history, then answer questions on how to respond to Trump's election threats, organizing in red areas, and unifying after the primaries to beat the fascists in the midterms.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 6 min
How to Fight the Biggest SuperPAC in Politics w/ Ben McKenzie
Episode 26
Show notes
The biggest super PAC in the country isn't oil and gas, pharma, or big tobacco. It's crypto. The industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to buy politicians and ram through legislation nobody asked for. So today we're doing a deep dive: what crypto actually is, how it bought its way into Washington, and how we organize to beat it – with actor, author, and documentary filmmaker Ben McKenzie. Then we do some live Q&A covering the Graham Platner fallout, Trump’s escalation with Iran, and more.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit https://indivisible.org/wtp/
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1 hr 8 min
How to Build a Big Tent (Without It Collapsing on You)
Episode 25
Show notes
Welp, rehabilitating the Democratic Party was never going to make everybody happy. This week, we dig into what the Colorado primary results tell us about what the party voters actually want, why the establishment freakout is a feature and not a bug, and the latest damage from the MAGA Supreme Court. Then we take your questions on election sabotage, immigrant defense, and what the plan actually is.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 1 min
How to Get into Election Protection Formation
Episode 24
Show notes
Trump is going to try to sabotage the midterms and we're going to stop him. We start with major primary wins in New York - the latest chapter in our fight to rehabilitate the Democratic Party. Then we get into a meaty discussion about election sabotage and what we can do about it with Corey Dukes from Protect Democracy.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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1 hr 5 min
How to Make Repression Backfire
Episode 22
Show notes
The midterm election threatens Trump's power, and he knows it. So he's going after nonviolent anti-ICE organizers in the Twin Cities and voting rights organizers in Ohio – typical authoritarian escalation as the clock ticks down to Election Day. We break down what's happening, how to build solidarity, how to push electeds, and how to win campaigns while the repression ramps up.
To learn more and get involved with Indivisible, visit indivisible.org/wtp
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