Another Way, by Lawrence Lessig

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📌 TOPICS COVERED

🔹 The Integrity Index: Letter grades (A-F) for legislators and candidates, based on fundraising, stock holdings, and corporate and trade PAC money

🔹 The Political Integrity Pledge: A four-part commitment to reject corporate PAC money, support a congressional stock trading ban, close the lobbying revolving door, and overturn Citizens United. 264 candidates have signed so far.

🔹 The Trump Tracker: A dashboard of the trades and holdings of top Trump administration officials, built from public financial disclosures.

🔹 Why anger isn't enough: How they channel online frustration toward real accountability.

🔹 DTA v. Schneider: The lawsuit that could get rid of super PACs without overturning Citizens United

🔹 Lawrence Lessig’s 20-year effort to end the corruption of our representative government.

🔹 The unknown 2010 court case that created super PACs: SpeechNow v. FEC.

🎙️ ABOUT ANOTHER WAY

Another Way is the podcast of Lawrence Lessig, founder of Equal Citizens, featuring conversations with people working to fix American democracy. New episodes on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Patreon.

CREDITS

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For more information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider, visit: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

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For more information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider, visit: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

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To read Robertson's research, visit: https://equalcitizens.us/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/2025_02_26__53_3__Exhibit_4___Christopher_Robertson_Declaration-1.pdf

For more information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider, visit: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens

Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

For more information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider, visit: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens

Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

More information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens

Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

More information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens

Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

More information about the case, Dinner Table Action v. Schneider: https://equalcitizens.us/against_superpacs/

Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens

Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens

Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

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In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn continue the conversation, discussing the hot-button issues shaping the start of 2026.

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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

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The latest (and penultimate) episode of Season 7, continuing the conversation with Ben Hepburn.

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Pulling it all together, Lessig asks his high school friend Ben Hepburn: How can you defend this? Listen to the conversation, and the common ground that gets built.

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Music:
Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions
Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions
Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

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In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss what Lessig has elsewhere described as Trumps strategy of extortion — illegal threats to force compliance by every institution that might resist him. (Plus a quick trip to Vietnam, and the promise of a brand new Trump resort!)

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Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions
Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions
Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production:
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In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss the tariffs. Is there some point at which MAGA supporters call uncle?

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Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

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Lessig's conversation with Ben Hepburn continues, this time about Ukraine, DOGE and RFKJr Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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In this second episode, Ben Hepburn and Lessig continue to see where we can find common ground in our understanding of the current administration. Are we on the left too pessimistic? Is the other side too optimistic?

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In this season, Lessig will have a conversation with Ben Hepburn, a friend from high school, whose politics is not Lessig's. The plan for the season is to check in regularly about the latest questions raised by the new Trump administration, and see whether a conservative and a liberal can find common ground, or even just understanding. This first episode was recorded just before in Inauguration.

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Music:
Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions
Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions
Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions

Post-production:
Josh Elstro of Elstro Production

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On this episode (recorded before Tuesday's election), Lessig is joined by his colleagues Matthew A. Seligman (Stris & Maher), Ned Foley (Moritz College of Law, The Ohio State), and Derek Muller (Notre Dame Law School) to discuss what could (have) happen(ed) in the period after Election Day and before the counting of electoral votes. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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In this episode, Lessig outlines what happens if Maine passes Question 1. What are the next steps, and the arguments that will get us to the Supreme Court — and to victory!
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On this episode, Lessig describes the campaign in Maine. The legislature chose to let the people decide whether to vote against SuperPACs in Maine — and if upheld, the nation. This episode discusses that campaign, and the risks it faces. Check out the website of the campaign at CitizensToEndSuperPACS.org. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com
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