Light Box

Season 1

1. Trailer Trailer

   Show notes

   Listen to LIGHT BOX, the new show from PRX's Radiotopia. Out now!

   Mark Henry Phillips spent twenty years composing music for a living. Then one night he typed a few words into an AI music generator and it did his job better, he thought, than he ever could. In ten seconds. Basically for free. Light Box is what happened next: a composer and audio journalist investigates what AI is doing to music and the people who make it.

   It's a 10 episode season, with new episodes coming out every Tuesday. Listen now!

   Sep 1, 2026 1 min

2. Teaser Trailer

   Show notes

   A sneak peek at what's coming this season on Light Box, the new show from PRX's Radiotopia. Launching September 15.

   Host and creator Mark Henry Phillips is a professional composer who accidentally opened Pandora's box by experimenting with an AI music generator. In this teaser, he shows his wife what he's gotten himself into.

   The first two episodes drop next Tuesday (September 15) and then a new episode comes every week. Subscribe now!

   Questions / thoughts / comments — write us: Mark@LightBoxPodcast.com

   Sep 8, 2026 4 min

3. 1. Inside the Black Box

   Episode 1

   Show notes

   Composer Mark Henry Phillips logs onto an AI music generator expecting slop. Instead... he has an existential crisis. What it made wasn't slop -- it was good. Really good. This plunges him into a year-and-a-half long rabbit hole. He discovers -- with help from Sonarworks' Helmuts Bēms -- that professional musicians are secretly adopting AI like performance-enhancing drugs. Mark also digs into how these tools actually work with AI researcher Maya Ackerman. And he confronts an uncomfortable question: if a machine can replicate your creative instincts, were they ever really yours to begin with?

   For more info go to https://lightboxpodcast.com/.
   Email us: Mark@LightboxPodcast.com

   Light Box is reported, written, edited and produced by Mark Henry Phillips atWindhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and assistant editor is Ryan Seaton.

   We make this show completely independently so PLEASE support us by leaving a rating and review.

   Light Box is a proud member of the Radiotopia network from PRX.

   Sep 15, 2026 49 min

4. 2. The Hit Factory (Part I: No Songs Left Behind)

   Episode 2

   Show notes

   There's already a #1 hit made with AI. You just don't know which one. In this episode, we go inside the world of professional songwriting camps -- where hits for the biggest artists are assembled by rooms of strangers. And we meet two hitmakers with billions of streams -- Mickey Shiloh (Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, Iggy Azalea) and David Phelan (ZAYN, Charli XCX, Jason Derulo) -- who are starting to use AI in their process. The question is... why? Why would successful songwriters need AI? The answer has as much to do with the songwriting industry as it does with AI.

   For more info go to https://lightboxpodcast.com/.
   Email us: Mark@LightboxPodcast.com

   Light Box is reported, written, edited and produced by Mark Henry Phillips atWindhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and assistant editor is Ryan Seaton.

   We make this show completely independently so PLEASE support us by leaving a rating and review.

   Light Box is a proud member of the Radiotopia network from PRX.

   Sep 15, 2026 52 min

5. 3. The Hit Factory (Part II: Steal From Everyone)

   Episode 3

   Show notes

   A producer with 13 billion streams posts on Reddit about how much he loves making music with AI and... gets banned. We have the conversation that wasn't allowed there.

   In Part II of our hitmaking story, Mickey Shiloh and David Phelan say the quiet parts out loud: everyone's using it, nobody's admitting it, and if it's happening anyway, you might as well get on the trolley.

   Also, Mark plays his own AI experiments for his old mentor Jad Abumrad (Radiolab, Dolly Parton's America), who does not react the way either of them expected. Along the way: a $3 million record deal for an "AI music designer," a hip-hop hit built on a soul singer who never existed, and the argument that if you steal from everyone, you've stolen from no one.

   For more info go to https://www.LightBoxPodcast.com.
   Email us! Mark@LightboxPodcast.com

   Light Box is reported, written, edited and produced by Mark Henry Phillips at Windhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and assistant editor is Ryan Seaton.

   We make this show completely independently so PLEASE support us by leaving a rating and review.

   Light Box is a proud member of the Radiotopia network from PRX.

   Sep 22, 2026 42 min

6. 4. The Critic (Marc Ribot)

   Episode 4

   Show notes

   Marc Ribot has played guitar for Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, Norah Jones, Robert Plant, and about a thousand other people. He's also one of the most outspoken critics of AI music. He calls Suno and Udio plagiarism machines. And for him, the whole thing comes down to consent: nobody asked the musicians.

   I caught him on the phone somewhere between Milwaukee and Minneapolis, driving to a gig. Of all the conversations I've had about AI music, his might be the one I keep coming back to the most.

   Sign Marc's "We Need a Union" petition.

   Music in this episode:
   Marc Ribot, Map of a Blue City
   Marc Ribot, Saints
   Marc Ribot y Los Cubanos Postizos

   Also mentioned: Liz Pelly, Mood Machine

   For more info go to http://www.LightBoxPodcast.com
   Email us! Mark@LightboxPodcast.com

   Light Box is reported, written, edited and produced by Mark Henry Phillips at Windhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and assistant editor is Ryan Seaton.

   We make this show completely independently, so PLEASE support us by sharing the show with a few friends. Light Box is a proud member of the Radiotopia network from PRX.

   Sep 29, 2026 42 min

7. 5. Slop (Who Is This For?)

   Episode 5

   Show notes

   A year ago, I was driving my daughter home from preschool when Spotify autoplayed a song that cut out mid-note. It was AI, and whoever made it hadn't bothered to fix the ending. So I tracked down the 19-year-old behind it. That was just the start of a trip down the rabbit hole. It turns out there's a lot of slop out there. Is it going to ruin everything? Or am I looking at it all wrong?

   Write us: Mark@LightBoxPodcast.com

   In this episode

   • Cherie Hu, founder of Water & Music
   • Kristin Robinson, Billboard reporter and host of Billboard On the Record
   • Romain Hennequin, head of research at Deezer
   • Kate Knibbs, senior writer at WIRED
   • Caitlin Canty, musician, and one half of Down Like Silver
   • Tracy Chan, CEO of Splash

   Light Box is reported, written, and produced byMark Henry Phillips at Windhill Studios. Our Producer is Drew Thurlow & our Assistant editor is Ryan Seaton. Light Box is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX.

   Oct 6, 2026 56 min

8. 6. UDIO: A Post-Mortem?

   Episode 6

   Show notes

   For a lot of people, Udio was the AI music app where they finally got to make the songs they’d been hearing in their heads for years. Then one night last fall, Udio settled its lawsuit with Universal Music Group. Downloads were switched off, and the new fine print said the songs users had made weren’t theirs anymore.

   After talking to Udio users all over the world, Mark realized this story wasn’t just about Udio. What happened to them could happen to any of us.

   Write us: Mark@LightBoxPodcast.com

   In this episode:

   • Many Udio users from around the world.
   • Cherie Hu of Water & Music. Read her scoop on Starstruck -- what Udio is turning into. And subscribe to her newsletter.

   Light Box is reported, written, edited, and produced by Mark Henry Phillips at Windhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and our assistant editor is Ryan Seaton. Editorial assistance on this episode from Zack Phillips. Light Box is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX.

   Oct 14, 2026 47 min

9. 7. James and the Copper Wire

   Episode 7

   Show notes

   AI music is supposed to be what ends musicians’ careers. For James Hinton, aka The Range, it might be what saves his. For a decade, he made his music out of strangers’ voices on YouTube, until he couldn’t anymore.

   On paper, this is an episode about the past, present and future of sampling. But really, it’s about loss (and friendship).

   Write us: Mark@LightBoxPodcast.com

   In this episode:

   • The Range, Potential (Domino, 2016), including “Copper Wire” and Mercury (Domino, 2022), including “Ricercar.”
   • Zak's originalYouTube Video -- sampled in "Copper Wire"
   • Superimpose, the short documentary that found the people James sampled.
   • Producer Om'Mas Keith

   Light Box is reported, written, edited, and produced by Mark Henry Phillips at Windhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and our assistant editor is Ryan Seaton. Light Box is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX.

   Oct 20, 2026 58 min

10. 8. In Their Skin: The AI Beatles

    Episode 8

    Show notes

    I found recordings online of the Beatles in 1969, goofing around at rehearsal and drifting in and out of their old songs. They totally sounded like they could be the real “Nagra Tapes” from the Get Back sessions. But... these recordings never happened. They were made with AI. I had to find the guy who made them.

    Using AI on the Beatles’ voices might be the most offensive thing you could do to the band. The people doing it are their biggest fans.

    Write us: Mark@LightBoxPodcast.com

    In this episode:

    • Pannick's channel
    • Bowman’s channel, BowmanIII
    • Dae Lim's channel, including his Smile
    • The real Nagra Tapes.
    • Peter Jackson’s The Beatles: Get Back (Disney+, 2021)
    • The Beatles, “Real Love”: the original from Anthology 2 (1996) and the new 2025 mix on Anthology 4
    • The Beach Boys, The Smile Sessions (Capitol, 2011), the official collection of the unfinished album
    • More on Udio and what happened to it: Episode 6 of Light Box, “Udio: A Post-Mortem”

    Light Box is reported, written, edited, and produced by Mark Henry Phillips at Windhill Studios. Our producer is Drew Thurlow and our assistant editor is Ryan Seaton. Light Box is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX.

    Oct 27, 2026 49 min