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Two years ago, Emily Venters almost quit. Now she’s the hottest name on American roads.

Emily returns to TRE for her second conversation, two years after a July 2024 episode about the dark side of professional running. Since then she has won three U.S. road titles in 2026, run a wire-to-wire championship record of 31:09 at the USATF 10K, and set a half marathon PB of 1:07:37 in Valencia to finish as the top American woman.

The two talk about keeping running from becoming her whole identity, even in a career-best year, and how being diagnosed with leukemia at age three may have put the fight in her early. Emily explains why she won’t post her training online and why coach David Roche, who started working with her in May, has been “a godsend” for her nerves and overthinking. She also tells the full story of her 2025 Chicago Marathon debut: the dizzy spells, and why she finished anyway after dropping out of races in the past. That decision changed how she races.

Then she says her goal out loud: the American half marathon record. She wants to see 1:05 on the clock and to help close the gap between American women and the best in the world.

This is an honest conversation with a runner who learned not to fear failure. Stay to the end to hear what she’d tell the version of herself who almost quit, and about the pizza she celebrates with.

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Dominic didn’t listen, and he’s the first to admit it.

Josh Blatchford, founder and CEO of Attuned, returns to The Running Effect to put Dom’s sub-three Columbus Marathon attempt on blast. Dom took five Endurance Scans, starting with one of the best scores Attuned has seen in November 2025. Four weeks before Columbus, an Achilles injury ended his race. Josh explains how Attuned’s pattern recognition flagged Dom’s lower leg and Achilles on August 22, weeks before he felt any pain. According to Josh, the training block wasn’t the problem. Dom neglected the foundation: his feet, his posterior chain, adrenals that were already shot, and the custom remedies he never took.

Then they zoom out to data from more than 600 runner scans. Seventy-six percent flag hydration and electrolyte balance as critical, which reopens Dom’s electrolyte debate with Riley Witt. Also, runners who report great sleep are 40% more likely to avoid a critical system. Josh also explains why all but one of the Attuned runners who missed their goal in Berlin had gut issues.

He covers why a breakup stresses the body the same way a training block does, what carbon-plated shoes may be doing to the lower leg, and why so many athletes get their results and never act on them. He also makes an emotional plea for female runners struggling with RED-S.

It’s an honest, funny conversation between two friends who log miles together, and a reminder that your body starts talking long before it hurts.

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Fifteen seconds down with 600 meters to go is not supposed to be a winning position.

For South Eugene senior and Duke commit Yosuke Shibata, it was how his undefeated fall began. In this installment of our Fleet Feet x Brooks High School Cross Country Series, Dominic talks with the Brooks NIL athlete about how a summer of Achilles and peroneal tendonitis issues turned into the best season of his life.

He explains why his mileage has barely changed since sophomore year, how hours on an Arc Trainer at the local YMCA kept his fitness alive, and how he scouted the final hill at Bob Firman the day before he ran everyone down on it. Yosuke goes back to seventh grade, when he joined track because his friends did, and describes himself now as a runner whose “fitness has finally caught up to my mentality.”

He’s candid about whether the Rose City course was short behind his 14:20. He also breaks down Coach Jeff Hess’s double threshold and critical velocity training, his salt-and-a-banana take on electrolyte powders, and why he rotates his shoes. Then he describes winning the Virginia Showcase while sick, and buried in IB coursework.

When Dominic asks how he beats Marcelo Montecon for a national title, Yosuke keeps it simple: whoever wants it more.

Whatever happens at Balboa Park, Yosuke has already shown how far belief, consistency and a real love of the work can carry a runner, and we can’t wait to watch him chase the rest.

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Kilian Jornet doesn't look back.

Ask the greatest mountain athlete alive which moment defined him and he says: tomorrow. Dominic traces a career that began in a Pyrenees mountain hut at 2,000 meters, where Kilian's parents took him up summits as a game of finding trees and spotting animals. He entered his first ski mountaineering race at 13 only because his mother didn't know where else to put his energy. His coaches never once mentioned winning. They talked about progression, and he never stopped.

What follows is more than a highlight reel. Kilian describes the blackout on Everest: four lost hours in a night storm after his second summit in a week, waking somewhere on the north face with no idea how he got there. He explains how kids changed his relationship with risk—not because he fears dying, but because he's seen the shadow death leaves on the people who stay. And he opens up about the lowest stretch of his life, the years in his twenties after a close friend died climbing with him, when he was winning races publicly while privately taking reckless risks and drinking after competitions to manage a guilt he told no one about.

He also argues that ego and humility aren't opposites, that NNormal exists to prove a brand can succeed without fueling overconsumption, and that retirement makes no sense to him—injured right now, he still intends to compete for life.

On his legacy: he doesn't care whether anyone remembers his name. He cares what changes.

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https://jeearecovery.comTrevor Wright swore off running in seventh grade.Recorded in Columbus, this conversation traces how a kid who dreaded his weekly mile-and-a-half PE "fun run" now runs before breakfast by choice. Nudged by the marathoners and triathletes on his teaching faculty, Trevor started running in 2009, fell for late-night miles after his wife went to bed, and ran several half marathons. Then kids and a busy career crept in, and six or seven years slipped away until the scale read over 200 pounds.The turnaround came at Christmas 2023, when his brother-in-law tried to dodge a Spartan Beast race. Trevor said yes before knowing what it was, joined his first gym, dropped 50 pounds, and went on to a Trifecta and the original Beast at Killington. Sitting in church one Sunday with wrecked calves, he tried rolling them out with a pen. Nothing truly portable existed, so he built it: a 3D-printed purple prototype.Dominic and Trevor cover quitting his sales job, selling his very first unit to a Berlin-bound Ironman, and putting the first thousand Jeea Companions on a credit card ahead of the October 27 Kickstarter. He even commits on air to a 2027 marathon. His parting message is simple and generous: do hard things and bet on yourself, because the best opportunities show up in the middle of the struggle. We'll be cheering for him.Tap into the Trevor Wright Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it.S H O W N O T E S -The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run-THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffzBehind the scenes of The Running Effect: https://youtube.com/@dominicschlueter?si=PM9FjPc92eFUFEZLuminaryThreads: luminarythreads.shop$20 off your next Attuned scan: https://attuned.health/discount/TRE20?ref=TRE20Instagram: @thefounder_ish

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Gavin Sherry found his future on a borrowed bike.

A year ago, the former Conard High School star was still on Stanford’s cross country roster, his college career swallowed by a femoral stress fracture, two tibial stress fractures and recurring IT band trouble. Then the cross-training started to feel like the main event. Sherry tells Dominic about the moment he caught himself feeling a little excited about new pain on a run, because it meant more time on the bike. A rider he met on a group ride lent him a top-end S-Works, and Sherry took the Strava record up Old La Honda, one of the Bay Area’s most famous climbs. Within a year, he had signed with EF Education, with a WorldTour spot waiting in 2027.

Sherry breaks down what runners don’t know about cycling: 20-hour training weeks, 100 grams of carbs an hour, 7,000-calorie days, and why you can dig a deep hole on the bike without breaking a bone. He grades his first coach, ChatGPT (B-plus, maybe A-minus), and catches up on twin brother Callum’s trail racing in Japan.

He dreams of winning a Grand Tour, but his definition of success is simpler: love the life you’re living. For every runner whose body won’t cooperate, this conversation is a reminder that the engine you built doesn’t disappear. It just needs a new road.

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Nathan Green came to talk, and he didn’t hold back.

The 23-year-old Adidas miler swept both U.S. 1,500m titles in 2026, and he joined Dominic to defend those wins against the couch warriors who call them too slow to count. He walks through his championship résumé and fires back at critics, including a plant-selling Instagram hater he now looks forward to hearing from.

Nathan names Hobbs Kessler as the best American 1,500m runner right now. He also makes his case for lifetime doping bans, and he and Dominic debate where the Shelby Houlihan case fits. He explains why he hates losing far more than he loves winning, which is why his bib from his fall in Silesia hangs framed on his wall. He breaks down his rivalry with Ethan Strand, down to the split math behind their 2025 NCAA finish, and shares what makes Andy Powell’s athletes such sharp tacticians.

Nathan explains the “Stray Dogs” joke behind his Seattle training group’s unofficial name, grades his first full pro season an A, and compares college and pro training: harder workouts, about 85 miles a week counting cross-training, and a 1:48 800m rep. He guesses at his 100m time, sets his sights on more Diamond League invitations, and goes back and forth with Dominic on international athletes, age rules, and NIL in the NCAA.

Blunt, funny, and fiercely competitive, Nathan is the kind of personality the sport needs more of, and we’re grateful he brought all of it to the show.

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Klaudia Kazimierska didn't just finish 2026. She owned it.In her first season under Jerry Schumacher, the Polish middle-distance star closed with three straight wins: the Diamond League Final in Brussels in a world-leading 3:54.05 national record; the inaugural World Ultimate Championship in Budapest; and Athlos London. Klaudia walks Dominic through it all, from the imposter syndrome that hit as she crossed the line first in Brussels to the "perfect race" she finally executed in Budapest after years of chasing one.The real story starts earlier, though. At 20, Klaudia was burned out in Poland, training solo, living out of a suitcase, and no longer believing she could get faster. She trusted the intuition that first drew her to Oregon. Within a week, she'd fallen back in love with running.Klaudia also opens up about the disappointment of falling short of a medal at World Indoors in her home country, and the lessons that carried her through the outdoor season. She explains how her training shifted from college to the pro ranks, why her work with a sports psychologist gives her an edge, and why she stays off Strava. She stays coy about the workout that impressed Jerry, though she drops a few tantalizing hints. Whether you're a young athlete with big dreams or just love a great breakout story, this one's for you. Dziękuję, Klaudia. We can't wait to watch what comes next.Tap into the Klaudia Kazimierska Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it.S H O W N O T E S -The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run-THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffzBehind the scenes of The Running Effect: https://youtube.com/@Dominicschlueter?si=PM9FjPc92eFUFEZLuminaryThreads: luminarythreads.shop$20 off your next Attuned scan: https://attuned.health/discount/TRE20?ref=TRE20Instagram: @klaudia.kazimierska

Salt might be the most overhyped thing in your running bag. Alex Ostberg is back from Chicago, where Charles Hicks became the No. 3 American all time on a record-eligible course, for his monthly breakdown of the last four editions of The Rundown. He and Dominic start with electrolytes, a piece prompted by Riley Witt’s hot take. They cover why sweating actually raises blood sodium, the four dials that decide whether you need a sodium plan, and why slower marathoners face more hyponatremia risk than the elites. Next, they ask how much of your training actually serves your health. The biggest drop in all-cause mortality comes from the first few minutes of exercise, and Cleveland Clinic data shows that low fitness carries more risk than diabetes or high blood pressure. Then comes paranoia, starting with Seb Coe’s Christmas Day double and Steve Ovett’s legendary reply. From there they get into hubris, the undisciplined pursuit of more, and why winners should keep auditing for weaknesses. Finally, Alex reflects on coaching Klaudia Kazimierska to the top of the 1500m world and makes the case against detailed race plans. His advice is to kill the perfect-day fallacy, contain the damage when things go wrong, and run the race in front of you. Dominic closes with a curveball, asking for the worst pre-race advice a coach can give, and Alex’s answer is one every coach should hear. The Rundown just passed 5,000 subscribers, so come join the community, and thank you for spending part of your week with us. Tap into the Rundown Recap Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it.S H O W N O T E S -The Run Down By The Running Effect (our new newsletter!): https://tinyurl.com/mr36s9rs-Our Website: https://therunningeffect.run-THE PODCAST ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClLcLIDAqmJBTHeyWJx_wFQ-My Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠-Take our podcast survey: https://tinyurl.com/3ua62ffzBehind the scenes of The Running Effect: https://youtube.com/@Dominicschlueter?si=PM9FjPc92eFUFEZLuminaryThreads: luminarythreads.shop$20 off your next Attuned scan: https://attuned.health/discount/TRE20?ref=TRE20

Nobody builds a distance program at Harvard. Alex Gibby did it twice over

Alex arrived at Harvard in 2017 and inherited a program that had almost never made nationals, and didn't have a single athlete setting a PR after early February. Ten years later, the Crimson men have qualified for the NCAA Cross Country Championships six straight seasons, and Gibby has coached Graham Blanks to back-to-back NCAA cross country titles and Maia Ramsden to NCAA titles in the mile and the 1500m.

In this conversation with Dominic, Gibby gets into how it actually happened. He explains why Graham's Achilles problems traced back to his toe strength, how he treats soft tissue injuries in athletes who sit at ninety-degree angles for nine hours a day, and why he bought six treadmills after last winter. He breaks down the recruiting profile he's built at a school where he only gets eight semesters: why he watches how a recruit's parents behave in the room, why "Type A+" kids get buried at Harvard, and why family of origin shapes how an athlete communicates with a coach.

He also tells the story behind the infamous LetsRun thread—the squat racks, Graham's fake YouTube channel, and a men's team he calls world-class trolls. Plus, the disastrous first six months at William & Mary that changed his coaching for good, why distance running keeps losing the investment war inside power conferences, and the exact moments he knew Blanks and Ramsden were going to be special.

Serious about the work. Never about themselves.

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Natasza Dudek only wanted a PR. She got history instead.

Now a junior at Ann Arbor Pioneer and the reigning Gatorade National Girls Cross Country Player of the Year, Natasza joins Dominic midway through her 2026 season to look back on the year her name went national. She remembers watching her oldest sister Zofia’s finishing kick win the 2019 Foot Locker title on a computer screen. She also explains what she learned as the youngest of three running sisters, and how weeks of workouts in the school hallways and a “feels like one degree” Brooks photo shoot tested her Michigan toughness.

Her training is refreshingly simple. She does two workouts a week, one of them up whatever “Mount Everest” her coaches can find around Ann Arbor, and she guesses she peaks at 35 to 40 miles a week. She also goes back to the last downhill at Brooks, where Blair Bartlett caught her and she told herself to stop giving up and sprint. And she talks about racing this fall as the girl everyone is chasing.

She wraps up with advice for kids hoping to make a national meet, her loaded Chipotle bowl, and the cabbage-wrapped Polish comfort dish she wishes more Americans knew.

It’s a joy to spend time with a champion who still runs for her team, her sisters, and the fun of it. We can’t wait to cheer her on in San Diego this December.

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The woman who breaks four minutes in the mile has probably already been born.

That's the opening claim from Professor Andy Jones, the Exeter physiologist behind Nike's Breaking2 project, and he gives her ten to fifteen years. The problem right now, he explains, is a split field: some women have the aerobic engine and the critical speed but no anaerobic reserve, while others have the speed and no endurance. Faith Kipyegon came up short on the 800m side, and Jones believes a properly paced attempt would have landed her near 4:03—a time that would have left the stadium feeling cheated.

From there Dominic takes him back to the beginning. Jones was giving conference talks arguing that 2:02:57 badly underestimated what humans could do, Nike staff were in the audience, and a phone call to Beaverton followed. He describes choreographing the pacemaker rotations in Monza like ballet, with cats, in several languages. He makes the case that 2:00:25 was the more remarkable performance of the two attempts, and says Kelvin Kiptum would likely have been the first man under two hours in a real race.

The second half turns personal. Jones talks about the VO2 kinetics work he's proudest of, the beetroot research that earned him a nickname, the heart condition that now caps his own easy runs, and why his new book Faster—out January 28 with a foreword from Kipchoge—argues there is no magic bullet, no best method, and nothing that beats consistency.

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After Josh Kerr's mile world record, Danny Mackey had 478 unread texts. He answered about 20 of them.

The founding head coach of the Brooks Beasts Track Club joins Dominic at the end of the best season of his career. Josh Kerr broke the mile world record in London, about an hour after Brandon Miller won the 800m. Mackey still says he hasn't really reflected on any of it. He explains why: after 217 NCAA coaching rejections, he's still the guy who worries he could lose his job.

Dominic opens with a challenge: pitch a top recruit without mentioning Josh Kerr. From there, Mackey traces the Kerr partnership from its start. He first spotted Kerr's long stride across a track in Albuquerque. Mackey also names the 2024 tempo run that first made him believe a world record was possible, and confirms the 1500m record is likely next.

The conversation also gets into how Mackey coaches from inside the work rather than above it. He describes cold plunges at 6 a.m. alongside his athletes, and what Michael Jordan, Serena Williams and Rickson Gracie could teach a team.

Dominic and Danny also cover what separates good athletes from great ones, why elite coaching talent is spread acrossevery level, Spencer Brown's influence on athlete media, and a three-year-old who wanted a popsicle in the middle of a world record night.

Mackey closes with the lesson underneath all of it: nobody gets there alone. The company along the way is everything.

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Some coaches chase talent. Todd Witzleben builds it.

When Witzleben took over at Manhattan University in June 2025, one regional ranking had the Jaspers 41st out of 42 teams in the Northeast, with six men on the cross country roster. A year later, there are 16, and he's talking about a 7:25 time in the 4x800 relay. Dominic sits down with the former Buffalo associate head coach to talk through the rebuild: from leaving a MAC program when a promotion request got laughed off, to the alumni who still care about a 1973 NCAA indoor title and a 1974 American record in the 4x mile.

Witzleben explains his formula: "big boy volume," with lots of threshold work and hill strength, and workouts nobody brags about. He makes the case for recruiting 9:30 two-milers in a roster-limit era, pointing to Leon Atkins, who never broke two minutes in high school and placed 16th at NCAAs.

There's plenty of personality here, too. He named one son Charlie after his La Salle coach and the other Miles for exactly the reason you'd guess. He went from finance major to Citibank telemarketer to calling recruits for a living. And ahead of this weekend's Manhattan Invitational, he gives a course walkthrough of Van Cortlandt Park, including why the railroad ties now race like a steeplechase.

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Vinny Mauri got drug tested at a Planet Fitness.

Five months after his 2:05:54 marathon at Glass City made him the fastest marathon debutant in American history, the self-coached Ohioan returned to the show just days before his second marathon in Chicago.

Dominic starts hot. Vinny explains why he emailed USADA himself the day after Toledo, why he feels honored rather than offended by the doubters, and how his first official test finally happened at the treadmill he uses right in front of the lobby. Then the training gets absurd: a 4:11 net-uphill mile in the middle of a long run at Pittsburgh's North Park; Tuesdays that reach 45 miles; a 30-mile treadmill long run at just over five-minute pace;near 140 miles peak weeks .

Vinny also explains why he chose ASICS, why he's still selling shoes at Second Sole, and why he won't put a number on Sunday. He calls Toledo his debut effort and Chicago his debut race, weighs Clayton Young's shot at the American record, and explains why two miles under nine minutes would make him back off. Mostly, he just wants to reach the start line smiling.

He closes with advice for every runner still waiting on a breakthrough: sometimes you take a step back, and sometimes that step sets up a leap. Then Dominic extracts a promise involving the Ohio state cross country meet.

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Four hundred straight dual meet wins don't happen by accident.

Sean McCafferty, entering his tenth year as head cross country coach atChristian Brothers Academy (CBA) in Lincroft, New Jersey, joins Dominic to unpack the culture behind one of the most storied programs in high school running. Sean ran at CBA before competing at Princeton, and he later took over the program from Tom Heath, who led it for 45 years. He talks openly about the years he spent trying to coach like someone else before realizing he was better as himself.

He walks through the national-record dual meet streak and the brotherhood that fills the space football would occupy at most schools. He also explains how a phone-free school fits with the super shoes and GPS watches today's freshmenarrive with. Sean talks about the 2021 season that sent him back to the drawing board, and also explains the "singles and walks" mindset he preaches from the first practice in June to the night before NXN.

The most moving part of the conversation honors Alex Kemp, the former CBA state champion and Williams standout whose name now goes on the Manhattan Invitational trophy. Sean reflects on leading his team through grief, the third-place NXN finish that his runners dedicated to Kemp, and receiving the Joe Newton Coach of the Year Award.

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Ethan Strand is a national champion who still believes he finished second.

He found out Jonah Koech had been busted for doping in the middle of a treadmill run, when Parker Wolfe tapped him on the shoulder, and his first reaction was anger. In this conversation, Ethan tells Dominic why the title still feels strange, why he feels worse for Hobbs Kessler, and why he thinks a positive test should end a career. He also covers the unglamorous side of racing clean: updating his whereabouts before dinner, keeping the last pills from every supplement batch, and making an 80-minute round trip to meet a drug tester.

Then there's his rookie year. Ethan admits he froze on the line at the Millrose two-mile, chasing a win with no plan, and that social media expectations helped sink his indoor season. Mike Smith's fix was to go back to basics: smaller races, pre-race checklists, and no talk of winning. Pre was where he felt like himself again, and the Silesia win over Hocker and Ingebrigtsen followed. So did Zurich four days later, which he blames on enjoying the attention too much.

Ethan also talks about sessions with Parker and Nico Young at 7,000 feet, why he's running less mileage than he did at UNC, and why he'd beat Simeon Birnbaum seven times out of ten. And he shares what Jakob said in the Brussels call room.

His goal for Year Two is to take more risks so that his bad days end in fifth instead of eleventh.

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Aleksander Lingauer is stepping away from running. He says it out loud here for the first time.

This one was recorded in person in Columbus, the fourth time he and Dominic have sat down together and the first time with no race waiting on the other side of it. Near the end, Aleksander announces that he is pausing his racing indefinitely. The reason is a book—the account of his 419-day solo walk across Europe, shelved when he signed as an athlete, now being finished. It arrives next year.

Before that, the fullest account he has given of the Last Soul Ultra: crewing Mark Dowdle through the closing hours, and the truth about Loop 87. Whose idea it was. What it was built to do. And what did not happen out there, whatever people decided they saw on the stream.

The rest is the conversation two friends have when nobody is watching the clock. They ruminate on what actually separates the people who win backyards from everyone who doesn't. Why you will not start in January, no matter what you tell yourself in September. What a Catholic Mass in Ohio did to him. And what he means when he says he is a mosaic of mistakes.

It keeps returning to one idea: you think nobody sees what you do in private, and you are wrong, because you are watching.

Two and a half hours. No agenda. Worth every minute.

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Marcelo Mantecon has spent his whole career as the young guy. Not anymore.

The Belen Jesuit senior joins Dominic for the next episode of our Fleet Feet series leading into the Brooks Cross Country National Championships, and he arrives carrying something he didn't have last December: a target. He talks about welcoming the pressure that comes with being the top returner, about what he absorbed watching Jackson Spencer stay calm on start lines while his own nerves churned, and about learning to convert that nervousness into excitement instead of dread.

The training picture is stranger and simpler than you'd expect from the nation's most-watched high schooler. He doesn't wear a watch most days. He can't tell you his exact mileage, and he runs Miami's brutal humidity. He credits sleep above everything else for keeping himself intact, and he credits Frankie Ruiz, the coach he has known since birth, for a program built on consistency rather than heroics.

Marcelo also revisits Balboa Park in detail: the gap that opened at the bottom of the hill, getting caught, and praying for one more surge with 300 meters left. His plan for the rematch is almost defiant: Have fun. Stay aggressive. Race like he still has nothing to lose.

Along the way, the two discuss Flagstaff team trips and flooded shoes in the Everglades, his sister's rise, UNC and a future in finance, why the class of 2027 might be one of the deepest ever, and a post-race celebration involving roughly a hundred donuts.

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Behind Graham Blanks' 12:47 5K & 7:27 3K: 6:00min Easy Days, Training Alone & Racing Jakob Ingebrigtsen

Graham Blanks can tell you exactly what he did wrong in every race he ran this year.

Monaco is the exception, and the one he's most excited about. It's the only race this season he finished and then couldn't sleep—his own heuristic for a good one—and the first time he really put down a fast 400m at the end. After that, closing hard got easier, because he knew he could.

The rest he breaks down with unusual candor. In Zurich, he waited too long to move, got stuck in lane two while Parker Wolfe opened a gap. Brussels, he was right on Balew's shoulder thinking about the American record, then Balew went all out from 300m to go and Graham got defensive instead of racing to the line. At Budapest, he made a big move at 300m to go, was right on the leaders at 200, and then Jakob came past. Looking back, he thinks he had the juice to take the lead with 200 to go.

One small mistake per race—and being in position to make those mistakes at all is the leap from last year.

He also walks Dominic through the training. Six years with Alex Gibby, Harvard through the pro ranks, and the program is much the same minus the mid-workout bench press. This year: mileage up to 105-110 for a stretch, plus twice-weekly all-out sprint work. He’s still doing six-minute pace on easy days, mostly alone in Athens on a quiet public track.

The 2027 goal is simple. He wants to win something—a Diamond League race, the Trials, worlds—and let the confidence compound. The guys also touch on soccer practice, Columbia, a "fratified" Harvard team, and his fall movie pick.