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Lars Maack says the farm was offered to his family over drinks in a pub, for about the price of a double garage in Germany. Today Buitenverwachting, known in the US as Bayten, is one of the best-known Sauvignon Blanc estates in Constantia.

Recorded in the vineyards at Buitenverwachting, on the back slopes of Table Mountain, Matt Weiss talks with Lars Maack, who took over the estate from his parents in his twenties. Lars explains how the farm moved from Riesling to Sauvignon Blanc, how his family found cuttings when apartheid had closed South Africa off, and how the Atlantic and Indian Oceans keep Constantia cool enough for Sauvignon Blanc while its warm winters trouble Chardonnay. He compares Constantia and New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, shares his favorite seafood pairings, and makes the case for opening a meal with dessert wine and salty food. He also tells the story of Constantia's sweet wine, once prized by Europe's royal courts, and how the region lost its winemaking before replanting began in the 1980s. The conversation closes with his son stepping into the day-to-day running of the farm, home to the families who work it.

Buitenverwachting means "beyond expectation" in old Dutch. The estate was once part of Simon van der Stel's original Constantia farm, and the Mueller family revived it in the early 1980s.

Mentioned: Buitenverwachting Sauvignon Blanc, Beyond, the 1769, Chenin Blanc, Riesling, Chardonnay, Sancerre, Marlborough, Franschhoek, the Cloete family, Groot Constantia, Klein Constantia, Vin de Constance, Simon van der Stel, Muscat de Frontignan, Muscat d'Alexandrie, phylloxera, the Dutch East India Company, Napoleon, Kanonkop, kingklip, snoek, Table Mountain, Stellenbosch, Cape Classics.

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Buitenverwachting: buitenverwachting.com
Instagram: @buitenverwachtingwinetasting
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Kanonkop opened its 1973 Cabernet Sauvignon and Pinotage to celebrate 50 years of bottling its own wine, and Johann Krige says both were stunning.

Recorded in the garden at Kanonkop in Stellenbosch, Matt Weiss talks with Johann Krige, who co-owns the estate with his brother Paul. Johann explains how the family pulled out Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc, Pinot Noir and Riesling to focus on Cabernet Sauvignon and Pinotage, and how bush vines, open concrete fermenters and a fermentation of about three and a half days give Kanonkop's Pinotage its structure and long life. He talks about the philosophy behind the estate's reputation, his rule against nepotism in a family business, and his time in the Botswana bush. He also explains what Americans get wrong about Pinotage, how South Africa's wine reputation suffered after sanctions lifted in the early 1990s, and how a signal cannon on the Simonsberg gave Kanonkop its name.

Kanonkop sits on the lower slopes of the Simonsberg. Johann and Paul Krige are grandsons of Paul Sauer, namesake of the estate's Bordeaux-style blend, and the first wines under the Kanonkop label were bottled in 1973.

Mentioned: Kanonkop Pinotage, Kanonkop Cabernet Sauvignon, Paul Sauer, Pinot Noir, Cinsault, Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Chenin Blanc, Stellenbosch University, the Simonsberg, Cape Town harbour, Chilean Cabernet Sauvignon, Botswana, the South African braai.

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Kanonkop: kanonkop.co.za
Instagram: @kanonkopwineestate
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Before every blend, De Toren's cellar master writes three or four words on a sticky note. The final wine has to taste like them.

Recorded in the vineyards of De Toren in the Polkadraai Hills of Stellenbosch, managing director Albie Koch and cellar master Charles Williams tell the story of South Africa's first five-grape Bordeaux blend. Albie made his first vintage in 1999, at 22, and explains how they tracked down Petit Verdot and Malbec when almost no one in Stellenbosch grew them. Charles explains why the vineyard comes before the cellar, what working in Napa taught him about elegance over power, and why South African wine is no longer afraid to be South African.

They also take on what Americans get wrong about South African wine, why Polkadraai belongs on the label, and where they want De Toren to be in 2046.

De Toren means "the tower," named for its gravity-flow cellar. Its flagship, Fusion V, blends Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Malbec and Petit Verdot.

Coming up in the South Africa Series: [confirm next estate].

Mentioned: De Toren Fusion V, De Toren Z, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Malbec, Petit Verdot, Carménère, Polkadraai Hills, Stellenbosch, the Helderberg, the Simonsberg, Constantia, Buitenverwachting (Bayten), Table Mountain, Cape Point, Bordeaux, Languedoc, Napa Valley, Rutherford, Screaming Eagle, Andy Erickson, Nick Gislason, Martin Fourie, Bruwer Raats, Simon van der Stel.

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De Toren Private Cellar: de-toren.com
Instagram: @detorenprivatecellar
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The South Africa Series, Episode 2 of 5.

Taaibosch makes one wine. No second label, no entry-level bottling, just Crescendo, a Cabernet Franc-led blend from the slopes of the Helderberg.

Recorded in the Taaibosch cellar in Stellenbosch, Matt Weiss talks with cellar master Schalk-Willem Joubert, Petri Venter, winemaker at Le Chant, and Heinrich van der Watt, winemaker at Pink Valley. Schalk-Willem explains how elevation and the cooling influence of False Bay give Crescendo its freshness and natural acidity, and why none of their wines are built for heavy extraction. Petri compares the rolling hills of Le Chant, its old-vine Chenin Blanc and its Merlot-led red blend. Heinrich tells how a few tons of Sangiovese from a neighbor's vineyard turned into the backbone of Pink Valley's Provence-style rosé. The team also explains how they decide when to pick, why taste comes before the lab numbers, and what Americans are still missing about South African wine.

Taaibosch was once Cordoba, home of the original Crescendo, a cult wine of the 1990s. The Oddo family of France bought the property and renamed it Taaibosch. Schalk-Willem, formerly CEO of Rupert & Rothschild Vignerons, leads the estate and its sister wineries, Le Chant and Pink Valley, South Africa's first winery built only for rosé.

Coming up in the South Africa Series: De Toren.

Mentioned: Taaibosch Crescendo, Le Chant Blanc and Le Chant Rouge, Pink Valley Rosé, Cabernet Franc, Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Chenin Blanc, Sangiovese, Shiraz, Grenache, the Helderberg, False Bay, Table Bay, Polkadraai Hills, Stellenbosch, Provence, Bandol, Rioja, Bruwer Raats, Fisher Vineyards, Paul Grieco.

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Taaibosch: taaiboschwines.com
Pink Valley Wines: pinkvalleywines.com
Instagram: @taaiboschestates
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Jacques Viljoen & Greg Guy: Boschendal, South Africa's 340-Year-Old Wine Farm

The South Africa Series, Episode 1.

Boschendal celebrated 340 years of winemaking history last year, and its wines sell in more than 70 countries. According to Greg Guy, America is still the missing piece.

Recorded on the estate in the Cape Winelands, Matt Weiss talks with Boschendal cellar master Jacques Viljoen and Greg Guy, who leads international sales for DGB. Jacques explains how cool-climate Elgin and its shale soils shape Boschendal's Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, where the gunflint character comes from, and how he brings in complexity with barrels, sites and malolactic fermentation. Greg talks about Cap Classique against Champagne, the South African brands that rose and fell in the US, and why real stories matter to younger drinkers. Jacques also explains why Cabernet Franc is the X factor in Boschendal's blends, by way of a Springbok wing breaking through the line.

Jacques Viljoen has been cellar master at Boschendal since 2018, after 16 years as winemaker at Zevenwacht. DGB has owned the Boschendal wine business since 2005. The estate sits in the Drakenstein Valley between Stellenbosch and Franschhoek, on land first granted to French Huguenot Jean le Long in 1685.

Coming up in the South Africa Series: Taaibosch and De Toren.

Mentioned: Boschendal Cap Classique, Boschendal Elgin Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, Cabernet Franc, the Helderberg, DGB, KWV, Beachhouse, Fairview Goats do Roam, A.A. Badenhorst, Champagne, Prosecco, Meursault, Corton-Charlemagne, the Springboks and the All Blacks, Nelson Mandela.

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Boschendal Wines: boschendalwines.com
Instagram: @boschendalwines
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Olivier Krug isn't interested in putting Champagne producers in a box. Arthur Larmandier says that at La Fête du Champagne, no one is above anyone. The house and the grower join Matt Weiss before La Fête returns to New York City, October 14 to 17, and Chicago, October 22 to 24.

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Arthur Larmandier shares how he left marketing at Chanel for his family's estate in Vertus, the day-one test his father taught him for depth in a wine, and how ploughing came back to vineyards where grass had been treated like a disease. He explains the chalk behind Longitude and Latitude and the lineup he is pouring at Obélix in Chicago. Olivier Krug names his walk-up song, explains why Grande Cuvée is not a non-vintage, takes you inside Krug's blind tasting committee, and remembers when people laughed at his family for bringing Champagne to chefs and sommeliers.

The Larmandier and Bernier families have worked vines in Champagne since 1765, and Larmandier-Bernier has been certified organic since 2003. Olivier Krug is the sixth generation of the family behind Krug, founded in Reims in 1843. The Wine Centric Show is a proud media partner of La Fête du Champagne.

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Mentioned: Chanel, Pierre, Sophie and Georges Larmandier, Champagne Fleury, Leclerc Briant, La Paulée, Longitude, Latitude, Vieille Vigne du Levant, Les Chemins d'Avize, Vertus Rouge, Obélix (Chicago), The Clash, Krug Grande Cuvée, Clos du Mesnil, Clos d'Ambonnay, Joseph Krug, Henri and Rémi Krug, Julie Cavil, Manuel Reman, Max Richter, Peter Liem, Daniel Johnnes, the Court of Master Sommeliers and the Krug Cup, Arnaud Lallement and L'Assiette Champenoise, Krug Rosé.

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La Fête du Champagne: lafeteduchampagne.com

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Champagne Larmandier-Bernier: larmandier.fr

Instagram: @larmandier.bernier

Krug: krug.com

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For years, Champagne's great houses and its small growers didn't share a room. La Fête du Champagne changed that. Co-founders Peter Liem and Daniel Johnnes, and Laurent Champs of Vilmart & Cie, take you inside the festival before it returns to New York City, October 14 to 17.

Peter and Daniel share how La Fête began over dinner, the Burgundy tradition of La Paulée that inspired it, the first year Olivier Krug and Raphaël Bérêche found themselves in the same room, and how 35 producers are chosen from a list of 150. Laurent Champs tells the story of his father, a carpenter who bought an oak cask in 1970 when everyone else wanted steel, explains how Vilmart blocks malolactic fermentation, and remembers tasting two 1988 magnums 12 seconds apart.

Peter Liem is the James Beard Award-winning author of Champagne and the writer behind ChampagneGuide.net. Daniel Johnnes founded La Paulée in the United States and is Wine Director for Daniel Boulud's Dinex Group. Vilmart & Cie was founded in 1890 in Rilly-la-Montagne. The Wine Centric Show is a proud media partner of La Fête du Champagne.

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Mentioned: Olivier Krug and Krug, Raphaël Bérêche and Bérêche & Fils, Louis Roederer, Bollinger, Veuve Clicquot, Dom Pérignon, Chartogne-Taillet and Alexandre Chartogne, Pierre Péters and Rodolphe Péters, Pol Roger Cuvée Sir Winston Churchill, Aquavit, Daniel Boulud and DANIEL, Arnaud Lallement, A. Bergère, Eric Rodez, Comte Jules Lafon and La Paulée de Meursault, Dominique Lafon, Jay McInerney, Terry Theise, René Champs, Thomas Champs, Vilmart Grand Cellier d'Or, Cœur de Cuvée, Krug Vintage 1988.

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La Fête du Champagne: lafeteduchampagne.com

Instagram: @lafetenyc

Vilmart & Cie: champagnevilmart.fr

Instagram: @champagnevilmart

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Offers to buy Chappellet? The family has said no. Cyril Chappellet, CEO and Chairman of Chappellet, explains why the winery is worth more as an asset than as cash flow.

Cyril tells the story of Robert Mondavi calling his father on a party line to offer his tanks and presses, and why the first Chappellet vintage, 1968, carries no vintage date. He names his five First Growths of Napa, explains why 100 points is not the goal, and shares the lesson Louis Martini Sr. delivered at the family dinner table.

Chappellet was founded on Pritchard Hill in 1967 by Donn and Molly Chappellet and was the second winery established in the Napa Valley after Prohibition.

Mentioned: Donn and Molly Chappellet, Robert Mondavi, Jack Davies and Schramsberg, Joe Heitz and Heitz Cellar, Beaulieu Vineyard Georges de Latour Private Reserve, Joseph Phelps Insignia, Silver Oak, Caymus, Louis Martini Sr., Cathy Corison, Phillip Corallo-Titus, Ry Richards, Hillstone Restaurant Group.

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Chappellet: chappellet.com

Instagram: @chappellet_winery

InVintory: invintory.com

Nicole and Xavier Rolet bought a 900-year-old ruin in the hills above Provence and turned it into one of the Rhône's most talked-about wine estates, a property critics have called the world's first "Super Rhône." They built it inside a UNESCO Biosphere Reserve on Mont Ventoux, where wolves and wild boar walk through the vineyard at harvest and eat the grapes right off the vine. They still won't spray a single synthetic chemical.

Nicole and Xavier talk about what it actually costs to farm that way, the research that convinced them it was worth it, why their rosé can age for decades when the industry says it should be finished in a year, and the medieval love story behind the names of their two flagship reds, Abélard and Héloïse. It's a conversation about building something the slow, uncompromising way, on purpose.

What We Cover

• Why Viognier is one of the most divisive grapes in the Rhône, and a Master Sommelier's blind-tasting trick for spotting it
• How buying a "complete ruin" in France became a decades-long restoration, and a marriage
• Why Chêne Bleu farms without synthetic chemicals, even with wolves and wild boar eating the crop at harvest
• The additive that's quietly responsible for the "drink your rosé within a year" rule, and why Chêne Bleu's rosé doesn't follow it
• The 12th-century love story behind the names Abélard and Héloïse, and why Xavier is glad he isn't the one the wine is named after

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Where We Recorded

This episode was filmed on location at Fearrington House, in Pittsboro, North Carolina.

About Chêne Bleu

Chêne Bleu is the wine estate Nicole and Xavier Rolet built at Domaine de la Verrière, a restored 9th-century priory in the Vaucluse, southern Rhône. The estate sits inside a UNESCO Biosphere Reserve on Mont Ventoux and is farmed without synthetic chemicals. Nicole Rolet also chairs Areni Global, an institute focused on the future of fine wine, and founded Fine Minds for Fine Wines.

• Website: chenebleu.com
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Rudi Pichler has a rule: act, don't react. It's shown up in every decision he's made since he came home from working a harvest in Napa Valley and took over his family's small, struggling vineyard in 1997 — including the year he deliberately cut two-thirds of his own harvest, the year his twins were born, just to make sure there'd be a handful of bottles waiting for them thirty years later.

Matt talks with Rudi and his daughter Theresa, who now runs export and marketing for the estate. The Pichler family has farmed since 1731. They talk about the grandmother who told Rudi which impossible, abandoned vineyard to buy (it's now one of the most celebrated sites in the region), the moment a legendary Burgundy critic told him he didn't need a single oak barrel, and the two soils in one small vineyard that are 370 million years and 16,000 years old respectively. It's a conversation about staying small on purpose in an industry that mostly rewards getting bigger.

In this conversation:

• Why Rudi calls himself a "wine caretaker" instead of a winemaker
• The Wachau's three-tier quality system — Steinfeder, Federspiel, Smaragd — explained simply
• The vineyard nobody else wanted, and the grandmother who told him to buy it anyway
• What it means to lose the fear of being too small, learned in the shadow of Napa Valley
• Foot-stomped maceration, leaf canopies as sun umbrellas, and why Rudi still refuses new oak
• The 1996 harvest Rudi cut on purpose, and the wine his twins are only now old enough to drink

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Madeline Puckette didn't set out to build Wine Folly. She lost her graphic design job in the 2008 recession, followed a boyfriend to Reno, and picked up a stack of wine encyclopedias from a bar owner who needed help on slow nights. None of it was the plan. Nearly two decades later, she's the Co-Founder and Chief Design Officer of one of the most recognizable names in wine education, co-author of a New York Times bestseller and a James Beard Award winner, and the person whose visual framework AI chatbots now use to answer wine questions without crediting her.

That unplanned path runs through a wide-ranging conversation: the bottle that broke her mental model of what wine could even taste like (it smelled like black olives), the flavor cards she doodled behind a wine bar that became the seed of Wine Folly, and why she thinks the wine world's go-to explanation for sandy soil is often wrong.

Madeline is the Co-Founder and Chief Design Officer of Wine Folly under Folly Enterprises, co-author of two books (a New York Times bestseller and a James Beard Award winner), and has appeared in Jason Wise's Somm: Into the Bottle and Somm 3.

In this conversation:

• The vocalist-to-wine comparison game, including her pick for a Whitney Houston wine
• How the 2008 recession led her from a graphic design job to a wine bar in Reno
• The Chateau de Montfaucon 2005 Côtes du Rhône that broke her idea of what wine could taste like
• The flavor cards that became the first version of Wine Folly
• Why AI is now answering wine questions with her own decade of work, uncredited
• Her current obsessions: Slovenia's Goriška Brda region and Hungarian Hárslevelű
• Biking through Alto Adige with sommelier Aldo Sohm
• Hiring a Master of Wine to challenge her own teaching model
• Why sandy soil doesn't fully explain a lighter-bodied Gamay

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Wine Folly: www.winefolly.com

Madeline's Instagram: @madelinepuck

Wine Folly's Instagram: @winefolly

Elisabetta Gnudi Angelini wanted Caparzo. Eleven partners owned it, and getting them all to say yes took four and a half years. She didn't walk away. That patience became the foundation of one of Tuscany's most quietly powerful wine families.

Matt Weiss talks with Elisabetta and her daughter Alessandra about how they built a portfolio that runs from Brunello di Montalcino to Chianti Classico to the Maremma: Caparzo, Altesino, Borgo Scopeto, Doga delle Clavule, and a fifth Montalcino estate still taking shape.

They get into the green label that broke every rule of 1970s wine design, why Montalcino stakes everything on big Slavonian oak, and what it took for a woman to run the deal in a corner of Tuscany that wasn't ready for one. It's a family story, a business story, and a Brunello story all at once.

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Wine tech has a problem nobody talked about until Josh Daiter's father pulled a shelf out of his wine fridge in Florida, watched the bottle he was hunting for roll off and shatter on the floor, and called his son the next morning fed up. That broken bottle became InVintory, now one of the leading platforms in wine collecting.

This is the first episode of The Wine Centric Show to go deep on cellar management and wine technology, and our guest is Josh Daiter, co founder and CEO of InVintory. Josh holds two master's degrees, in entrepreneurship and in AI, and he wasn't even into wine when he started. Over the hour we trace the company from an augmented reality experiment to its 3D VinLocate cellar mapping, its sommelier vetted database of more than 650,000 wines, and Vincent, the AI sommelier that is equal parts beloved and controversial.
We also get into the things most founders won't say out loud: why wine pricing apps are "always suspect" and how InVintory keeps a collection's value honest, the "dumbest, smartest" $100K ad summer that landed 20,000 users, how a team of just 11 competes with the giants, why the wine world resists AI harder than almost any other industry, and where cellar management goes when the app disappears into your glasses and your kitchen speaker.

Whether you track your collection in InVintory, CellarTracker, Vivino, or a battered Excel sheet, this one is about the future of how we collect, store, and actually enjoy wine.
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Paul Michael didn't plant his first vines by choice. He was seventeen years old, on a family holiday in California, when his father climbed out of a rented Cadillac in the middle of Knights Valley and announced they were coming back to plant. That was 1982. What followed is one of the great origin stories in American wine.

Paul and his wife Emily join Matt Weiss to talk about the multigenerational vision behind Peter Michael Winery, the accidental tasting that started it all, how a five-year-old waking up above the fog line named one of their most celebrated wines, and what it means to build something designed to outlast you.

They also reveal the four bottles Paul would open for someone who had never heard of Peter Michael — vintage specific. Write them down.

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Pepe Raventós is a 21st generation winemaker who walked away from the appellation his grandfather helped build. Cava had become a commodity. The name carried the wrong story. So he left.

What followed was a decade-long fight to prove that Penedès — a poor, rural corner of Catalonia with more than 3,000 years of winemaking history — deserves its own appellation and a seat at the table with the greatest sparkling wines in the world.

Along the way, Pepe planted the wrong grape in the wrong place, discovered an abandoned farm nearly converted to a chicken factory, and built a winery in a garage underneath his bed. He paid farmers twice the going rate. Moved his family to New York for five years. And found an almost extinct grape called Sumoll that he believes will one day rival Nebbiolo on the world stage.

This is not a conversation about Cava. It's about what happens when a rebel with deep roots decides to start from scratch.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Pepe Raventos and His Journey
04:54 Leaving the DO: A Family Decision
10:33 The Philosophy of Natural Winemaking
15:47 Exploring the Unique Characteristics of Charello
21:19 Cultural Influences: From Penedes to New York
27:11 The Economic Impact of Kava on Farmers
33:50 Reviving Abandoned Vineyards and Local Communities
41:03 Balancing Passion and Business in Winemaking
50:01 The Future of Penedès Wines and Recommendations
54:29 Wine_Centric_Show_v1 Linked Comp 05.mp4

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Bobby Stuckey has spent twenty years telling Americans that the most important wine region in Italy isn't Tuscany. It isn't Piedmont either.

It's Friuli.

As co-founder of Frasca Food and Wine and one of the most respected Master Sommeliers in the country, Stuckey has watched food journalists question whether fine dining still has a place in American culture. He has a clear answer: they don't know what they're talking about.

This conversation covers the wines and producers that put Friuli on the map, the real story behind orange wine, why Merlot and Chardonnay belong in Friuli just as much as Ribolla Gialla, and what it actually takes to build a restaurant culture around a region most Americans have never heard of.

One question runs through all of it: how long does a grape need to grow somewhere before it becomes part of that place?

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When the most powerful man in the world imposed tariffs that threatened to put his business under, Victor Owen Schwartz did what almost no one else was willing to do. He sued. And he won.

As lead plaintiff in VOS Selections v. Donald Trump, this 40-year wine importer took the fight from the Court of International Trade all the way to the Supreme Court — winning at every stop. 3-0. 7-2. 6-3.

On the morning this episode was recorded, his tariff refunds hit his bank account for the first time.

We get into what IEEPA tariffs actually did to an importer running on 5% margins, why Amazon blinked while Victor didn't, how a brunch he almost skipped changed everything, and what it feels like when justice stops being theoretical and shows up in your bank account.

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Bruwer Raats planted his flag in the Polkadraai Hills when nobody else wanted to be there. The soil was granite, the land was cheap, and the two varieties he chose — Chenin Blanc and Cabernet Franc — were widely considered the least exciting grapes a winemaker could possibly champion. His colleagues called him a mad hatter.

That was 2000. Today, Polkadraai Hills is a declared ward on the label of one of the world's most consistently decorated wines.

Matt goes deep with Bruwer on the full arc: growing up in post-apartheid South Africa and the democratic shift that shaped his entire career; training stints in Bordeaux, Napa, Germany, and Tuscany; why granite soils and a south-facing slope were worth more to him than prestige real estate in the Golden Triangle; the braai conversation with his friend and partner Mzo that gave birth to MR de Compostela — South Africa's first 50/50 black-white wine company, not by mandate but by friendship and shared ambition; and the discipline it takes to declassify your only wine in 2010 and again in 2019 because the vintage simply wasn't good enough.

There's also a cars-and-wine pairing game to open, the now-legendary Ferrari traffic cop story, and Bruwer's four-bottle prescription for anyone who wants to understand South African wine.

First South African guest on The Wine Centric Show. Long overdue.

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Fifty years ago, a 25-year-old with no money, no connections, and a lot of nerve showed up at an office on the 18th floor of the World Trade Center every single day for two and a half weeks until someone finally let him in. That someone was Barbara Kafka. The place was Windows on the World. And what Kevin Zraly built there over the next 25 years became the greatest restaurant wine program this country has ever seen.
On this episode of The Wine Centric Show, Kevin joins co-host Inez Ribustello, former Assistant Cellar Master and Beverage Director at Windows on the World, for a conversation that covers all of it. How a kid from Pleasantville, New York hitchhiked to California in 1972 when there were only 24 wineries in Napa. How Joe Baum told him to build the biggest and best wine list New York had ever seen and not to worry about what it cost. How 30,000 people have passed through the Windows on the World Wine School. How his book, Windows on the World Complete Wine Course, has sold four million copies and never gone out of print.
And what it felt like to dance alone on the roof of One World Trade Center on July 4th, 1976, above the fireworks, king of the world.
Inez brings her own stories from the 107th floor including a Krug 1976 mistake that became a masterclass, a phone call with Kevin that changed how she leads, and a girls weekend in August 2001 that she will never forget.
This one stays with you.
Kevin’s autobiography, A Glass Half Full, is coming soon. His 50th anniversary celebration of the Judgment of Paris takes place May 26th at City Winery in New York City. Details at citywinery.com.
Inez Ribustello’s book, Life After Windows, is available now.

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Episode Highlights

• Kevin Zraly’s journey from bartender to world-renowned wine educator
• The rise and influence of Windows on the World
• How wine education evolved in America
• The philosophy behind simplifying wine for everyone
• Mentorship, leadership, and building iconic wine programs
• The lasting impact of 9/11 on the wine community
• Kevin’s perspective on the future of wine

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Chapters:

00:00 Celebrating Windows on the World: A Legacy in Wine Education
02:43 Kevin Zraly's Journey: From Bartender to Wine Educator
05:21 The Evolution of Wine Culture in America
07:49 Teaching Wine: Simplifying Complexity for Everyone
10:44 The Birth of Windows on the World: A Restaurant Icon
13:29 Building a Wine Program: The Art of Selection
16:23 Mentorship and Leadership in the Wine Industry
19:05 Navigating Challenges: Lessons from the Beverage Director
21:47 The Impact of 9/11 on Windows on the World
24:21 Legacy and Recognition: Balancing Career and Personal Life
33:35 The Legacy of Windows on the World
36:26 Innovative Concepts in Dining
39:14 Reflections on 9/11 and Its Impact
45:14 The Evolution of Windows on the World
48:53 Wine Buying Strategies and Experiences
55:20 Memorable Moments and Personal Stories
01:02:33 Looking Ahead: Celebrations and Future Events

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A UC Davis professor once told Cathy Corison she would never be a winemaker in the Napa Valley. As a woman, it simply wasn't done.
She didn't argue. She just went and did it anyway.
Nearly five decades later, Cathy is one of Napa's most respected voices — and her daughter Grace Corison Martin has come home to build on what her mother started.
Matt talks with both of them about Kronos Vineyard, planted in 1959 on St. George rootstock and never replanted — through phylloxera, through the Parker era, through every stylistic wave the valley has ridden. They cover Grace's path from a BFA in acting to Union Square Cafe to coming home during COVID and discovering she'd been a winemaker all along. And they dig into the philosophy behind 40 vintages of Cabernet Sauvignon built for the table — wines defined by restraint, benchland fruit, and yields so low they'd make any business school professor wince.
This one covers a lot of ground: old vines, family succession, organic and regenerative farming, the broken three-tier system, and what it actually takes to build something meant to last.

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📍 What You’ll Learn:
Old vines and their impact on wine complexity
Benchland terroir between Rutherford and St. Helena
Kronos Vineyard and its historical significance
Sustainable and organic farming practices
Cabernet Sauvignon winemaking philosophy at Corison
Building a winery from purchased fruit to estate
Family legacy and generational transition in wine
Napa Valley’s stylistic evolution and market pressures
Chapters:
00:00 - The Legacy of Corazon Winery
02:44 - Old Vines, Great Wines
05:32 - Breaking Barriers: A Woman's Journey in Winemaking
08:09 - The Family Business: Succession and Passion
10:40 - Finding Home: Grace's Return to Napa
11:17 - Miracles of the Kronos Vineyard
13:08 - The Financial Journey of Winemaking
15:26 - The Evolution of Napa Valley's Wine Industry
29:10 - The Mythical Roots of Wine
30:30 - Balancing Winemaking and Motherhood
32:27 - The Small Scale of Winemaking
32:56 - The Importance of Hospitality in Wine
34:21 - The Evolution of the Sommelier Community
35:17 - Direct-to-Consumer Sales Strategy
36:37 - Stylistic Choices in Winemaking
37:24 - The Unique Characteristics of Rutherford Fruit
40:13 - The Vision for Future Wines
42:57 - Sustainability in Winemaking Practices
45:31 - The Future of Chorus & Winery
47:36 - Adapting to Climate Change in Winemaking
51:59 - Exploring New Varietals
54:59 - The Role of Regenerative Agriculture
59:19 - A Surprise Guest Joins the Conversation
01:01:43 - Exploring New Wine Varieties

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