True Crime Bullsh**: The Israel Keyes Investigation

The team heads to Lake Quinault, with over a hundred pages of case files in the Delmar Sample disappearance, and some very critical new information about Keyes.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathleen, Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Michael Beers.
This episode featured: Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, and Kathleen.

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A disappearance from neighboring tribal lands, with an eerie litany of coincidences to Keyes's known MO and crimes, makes it both impossible to overlook Keyes nor how this disappearance may have inspired future crimes.

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New files, new law enforcement relationships, and new experts take the research team to Morton, Olympia, and Lake Quinault in Washington to re-examine some previously investigated cases: Gary Shawn Bryant, Jonathan Corey, and Delmar Sample.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathleen, Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Michael Beers.
This episode featured: Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, Jordan Taylor, and Kathleen.

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MUSIC:
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Featured music by: Trespassers William.

Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Asch Fish, Heather Horton Whedon, Sherri D, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Sarah Hansen, Melissa MacPherson, SC, Trista, Pink, Jen J, Carol L, H Beth Jones, Tori Yuzik, Dan Del Rossi, David Begley, Lisa, Alecs, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, Sara Cee, J Shay, Kathy Nation, Stay Sea, Carrie, Jordan T, Allison Bergblom Johnson, Melissa LeBlanc, Bethany Heintz, Ally, Chris Stokes, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Molly

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Prepare for next week's episode with this revisit to episode 0109.

In this episode, we spend a lot of time in the woods. Plus, Israel meets someone new; and learns to adapt and evolve his methodologies.

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Featuring: Dr. Katherine Ramsland

Music by William Hellfire, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face, LeBon, and Cloud Jumper.

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Correspondence between Ted Halla and Washington State Police sheds new light on the male-female couple and Israel Keyes. Remains found near the Hunters, Washington property lead the team underground.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathleen and Jordan Taylor.
And research assistance by Michael Beers, Michelle Tooker.

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• True Crime Bullsh** Original Soundtrack by The Westeastern.
• Featured music by: Dove Ellis.

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Take a listen back and prepare and refresh yourself for the next episode of TCB.

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Josh sets the stage for a hyper-focused eighth season of True Crime Bullsh**. New connections are made, leading to a better understanding of how all of Israel Keyes's crimes are connected. A plot of land in New Hampshire is explored, as is a rented cabin in upstate New York. And the team makes its way back to Hunters, WA after receiving some critical new information from the FBI.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathleen and Jordan Taylor.
And research assistance by Michael Beers, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.

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• Featured music by: Counting Crows.

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Go back in time and re-listen to this episode, to prepare you for the season 8 premiere on October 5.

We first covered Hunters, Washington back in season two. And while our reporting on it paused, our investigation into it did not. Jordan and an anonymous source have spent years digging into Hunters and the abandoned farmhouse there. And even as we thought there was nothing left to find, new information began pouring in. And continued pouring in as recording and post-production on this episode were happening.

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With research by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, and Michelle Tooker.

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Season 8 launches on October 5 and dives into Keyes's upbringing, life, and connections in Washington state and how they impacted and defined Keyes's crimes across the country. We look at new cases, follow-up on past cases, and get into the woods looking for caches and interviewing more people from Keyes's life.

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In Retrospective 5, Josh discusses how a family loss created massive life changes during the creation of TCB season 2. And how the pandemic and Kelly Cochran led to some massive podcast changes, gambles, and fears.

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In this interview:
• The FBI discuss Keyes's competency and psych evals
• Keyes details the creation of his silencer
• Keyes discusses various accounts of stalking
• Keyes shares his grand plan and dreams of doing something big

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In this interview:
• Keyes tells the FBI about a New York homicide
• Keyes details the Tupper Lake bank robbery
• Keyes talks about other active areas in New England
• The FBI finds out about the boat

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In this interview:
• The FBI detail their four part plan to negotiate their needs and Keyes's
• Keyes accidentally hints at several details surrounding his unknown crimes
• Keyes grapples with media attention
• Keyes starts to spill

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In this interview:
• The FBI goes over items seized from Spurr Lane and Constable
• Keyes's early years in Neah Bay
• Keyes's early crimes in Colville
• Keyes's various watercraft and how he used them in crimes
• Keyes's using friends as unwitting accomplices
• The Washington state caches
• Julie Harris
• and more

10th Anniversary Retreat
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TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islands
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TROVA TRIP to Costa Rica
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In Retrospective 4, Josh discusses how massive life changes coalesced with the creation of the first season of TCB. How he isolated himself entirely to both heal and get into the head-spaces of the people he'd spent so much time researching and writing about. Plus, what went into creating the season one finale.

10th Anniversary Retreat
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In Retrospective 3, Josh discusses how 24 harrowing hours changed his life and the course of True Crime Bullsh**. He discusses how an incident re-shaped his vision for the first episode of the podcast, and his view on true crime and its darkness. Plus, the impact of that first episode on listeners, and the impact of those listeners on Josh.

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TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islands
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Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a surprising place: a bound book of correspondence between two teenage girls and their landlord. What started as comedic found writing, became a mystery that people could not let go. And as Josh made his way through it, while working on TCB, he learned about investigations and their repercussions.

This is parts one and two of The Karen & Ellen Letters, Josh's first full-fledged investigation.

10th Anniversary Retreat
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TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islands
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TROVA TRIP to Costa Rica
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Cast:
Sara Stapleton as Karen
Sara Kitcher as Ellen
Jeff Powell as Mark
Matt Peelen as Rob

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To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new behind-the-scenes information about what was happening in life, in various investigations, and in the world that impacted these important episodes and their podcasts. You’ll learn how Josh started podcasting, how he started investigating Israel Keyes, some hilarious and terrifying stories from the road, and some really vulnerable and personal stories.

We start our first retrospective at, duh, the beginning. Josh shares how both his podcasting journey and Keyes obsession began. He discusses his time in Seattle and on the Olympic Peninsula, how he ended up on the East Coast, his first deep-dive investigation (not Keyes) and how that led to his second (Keyes).

And this kicks off an early episode of his very first show, Our Americana, entitled Van Life.

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Season finale.
TCB will be back in October.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Michelle Tooker, Shana Wilensky, and Jordan Taylor.

Sources include:
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• https://4029tv.com/
• The Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette

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This episode included music by:
Whithe, Sero, LaBon, and Sergey Cheremisinov
With featured music by: Sigur Ros

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The team returns to Texas to look at a case, which Jordan has been following for four years, that involves a suspicious death, an arson, and an abandoned house. And this case may just shed light on some of Keyes's odder travels and some new and unsettling information on the Azle bank robbery.

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Jordan Taylor.
With editing and writing by Josh Hallmark.
Additional research assistance by: Michelle Tooker.

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SOURCES
• Houston Police Department Casefile, Case #030249612
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