ReThinking

Politics are more polarized than ever, and most Americans are desperate for something different. Spencer Cox, the Republican Governor of Utah, thinks the key to depolarization isn’t changing minds—it’s learning how to disagree with grace. In this episode, Adam and Spencer take a closer look at the deeper issues that underlie America’s political division, and Spencer shares his evidence-based approach to policymaking that puts people before parties. They also offer advice for breaking out of echo chambers, emphasize the value of collaborating with people whose beliefs are different than your own, and break down Spencer’s pro-human AI strategy.

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To celebrate the launch of his new book Vibe: The Secrets of Strong Connections in a Lonely World, Adam sits down with two pairs of collaborators who also happen to be family members. John and Hank Green are brothers who have co-created hugely successful YouTube projects together—including the educational channel Crash Course—and Jim and Julia Curtis are a father/daughter pilot duo who recently went viral on Jim’s last flight with Southwest Airlines. In this episode, the pairs tell Adam how connecting over a shared project has strengthened their bonds, and how their relationships have evolved over time. John and Hank share their experiences running a business together and how they navigate conflict as creative partners. Jim and Julia reflect on how their relationship shifted as Julia grew up, and Jim outlines the clear communication and tough love he used to encourage his kids to follow their dreams.

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On tour for his new book, Vibe: The Secrets of Strong Connections in a Lonely World, Adam sits down for a crackling live event with journalist and author Malcolm Gladwell. They discuss and debate the building blocks of compatibility. Adam and Malcolm reflect on why our first impressions of people are often wrong, why people are so drawn to astrology, and how we can fix dating apps. They also explore which relationships are actually toxic, how parent-child bonds change as kids grow, and what it means to be a nerd.

To order Vibe, join Adam on tour, and take a quiz about how you connect, visit https://www.adamgrant.net/vibe.

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• Follow Malcolm Gladwell on Instagram and at his website
• Buy Malcom's books here

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On tour for his new book, Vibe: The Secrets of Strong Connections in a Lonely World, Adam sits down with filmmaker M. Night Shyamalan to discuss how to spark, strengthen, and shift a vibe, how many close connections it’s possible to have, and why instant chemistry doesn’t always lend itself to long-term compatibility. Adam also shares insights on connection from basketball teams and married couples, and Night pulls back the curtain on how he changes his crews to set up surprising twists in movies like The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and The Village.

To preorder Vibe, join Adam on tour, and take a quiz about how you connect, visit https://www.adamgrant.net/vibe.

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To celebrate the launch of his new book, Vibe, Adam is doing a special series on how to build strong connections. First up are Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir, the most decorated figure skaters in Olympic history, who teamed up before they were ten and won three golds and two silvers over 22 years together. In this episode, Tessa and Scott share how stark differences in their personalities helped and hindered their work together, demonstrate how they learned to have difficult conversations, and explain why you don’t need to be alike to be aligned around a common goal. Adam introduces the three different wavelengths people can connect on, and explores how Tessa and Scott’s vibe evolved to support their success over time.

To preorder Vibe, join Adam on tour, and take a quiz about how you connect, visit https://www.adamgrant.net/vibe.

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• Follow Tessa Virtue on Instagram, TikTok, and listen to her podcast Virtuoso
• Follow Scott Moir on Instagram

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And for more from Tessa, check out her new podcast Virtuoso: https://www.instagram.com/tessavirtue17/?hl=en

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Women are frequently disenfranchised and discriminated against by systems that favor men, but these same systems hurt men, too. Luke Bateman is a former professional rugby player who has gained a following online making videos about his love of fantasy novels and the hidden costs of patriarchy for men and boys. In this episode, Luke opens up about how narrow ideals of masculinity led him into a cycle of addiction, and how he pulled himself out by deconstructing his beliefs about what it means to be a man. Luke and Adam discuss the psychology of “precarious manhood,” the power of vulnerability as a skill that builds resilience, and the strategies for helping men express their emotions and evolve their beliefs. Luke also reframes when it means to be a protector and provider, and encourages men and boys to find themselves in books.

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• Listen to In the Good Books podcast

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Harlan Coben has written 35 bestsellers in the past three decades, selling over 90 million novels and spawning some of the most popular miniseries on Netflix– including I Will Find You. He recently published his first nonfiction book, Plot Twist: a writing guide packaged inside a memoir. In this episode, Adam and Harlan take a closer look at the routines and habits that help Harlan stay so prolific with his writing, and Harlan emphasises the importance of being comfortable with boredom and treating writing like a job. Harlan also reflects on what he learned while collaborating with Reese Witherspoon on their novel Gone Before Goodbye, and the difference between equality and equity in relationships. Adam shares insights on the biggest mistakes people make while pursuing happiness, and why successful people aren’t free of doubts.

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• Follow Harlan Coben on Instagram, Facebook, Bluesky, and through his website
• Buy Plot Twist

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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You probably know Ke Huy Quan as the Academy Award-winning actor who played Waymond Wang in the 2022 film Everything Everywhere All at Once, and Short Round in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when he was just 12 years old. But for a long stretch of his career, Ke wasn’t acting at all. In this episode, Adam sits down with Ke to reflect on the winding story arc of his life, from his early childhood as a Vietnamese refugee to being thrust into Hollywood, only to be forced into a new career path before finding his way back to acting in his 50s. Ke shares the lessons he learned about persistence and resilience as he rethought his identity as an actor and built a career behind the camera. Adam also explains why refusing to ask for help is a disservice to those around you, and Ke explains how he maintains kindness and humility in a cutthroat industry.

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• Buy Ke's book, Never Say Die

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If you or a loved one has suffered from severe illness, you know that recovery isn’t always as joyful as it sounds. In this episode, Adam’s wife Allison Sweet Grant is back to talk about her new memoir “Lump,” a collection of poetry and prose about her experience with breast cancer. Allison and Adam reflect on their experience as a family dealing with a difficult diagnosis in the middle of the COVID pandemic, and Allison shares her complicated relationship with being called a “survivor.” They discuss how many patients downplay their pain to appease their providers, explain why many patients feel more relief than joy during recovery, and address how we can provide better support to our loved ones. They also talk about Allison’s synesthesia, revisit their beloved driving debate (is the lead or following car responsible for staying together on a multi-car trip?) and open several new ones (is Seinfeld better than Friends, and is true crime scarier than fiction?).

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The way leaders communicate can have a big impact on how we see ourselves. Vanessa Beasley is an expert on presidential rhetoric—and the president of Trinity University in San Antonio. In this episode, Adam and Vanessa take a closer look at how rhetoric used by past US presidents has shaped the identity of the American people, and explore some common rhetorical mistakes that leaders make when trying to persuade their audience. They also discuss why so many students are booing commencement speeches on AI, whether listening skills are declining, and how we can improve critical thinking on college campuses.

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• Follow Vanessa Beasley on LinkedIn and at https://trinity.edu/president/beasley-bio

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Dolly Parton's hit songs — like "9 to 5," "Jolene" and "I Will Always Love You" — have captured generation after generation. In this episode, recorded around the release of "Run, Rose, Run" (her novel co-written with James Patterson and paired with a full-length companion album), host Adam Grant talks with Dolly about her creative process, how she balances getting things right with getting things done and how she manages the hefty cup of ambition she pours herself each morning.

(This episode originally aired in 2022.)

ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Julie Bowen is an Emmy Award-winning actress best known from her roles as Claire on Modern Family and Virginia in Happy Gilmore. She’s also a former host of the podcast Quitters, which she eventually quit. In this episode, Adam and Julie are joined by developmental psychologist Aliza Pressman for a delightful conversation about authenticity, emotional intelligence, and parenting. Julie makes the case for why sometimes quitting is the most mature thing to do, and shares what she’s learned from coaching her sons through commitments they no longer wanted to uphold. She interrogates Adam about his inability to get angry, and he and Aliza speculate on what would happen if everyone was perfectly emotionally regulated. The three also reflect on the difficult truth that you cannot change how others act, and explore strategies for teaching kids (and yourself) how to handle conflict between the values you hold and the way you actually behave.

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• Follow Aliza Pressman on Instagram, LinkedIn, Substack, and at https://draliza.com/

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Adam joins an improv comedy workshop and comes away with new insights about facing failure, building resilience, boosting creativity, and elevating collaboration. He takes the stage in Authors@Wharton with a pair of past Re:Thinking guests, data scientist Andrea Jones-Rooy and animal cognition researcher Justin Gregg, who happen to moonlight as improv comedy performers. In this unique episode, Andrea and Justin throw Adam headfirst into a series of improv exercises and lead a lively, often hilarious discussion of the practical lessons.

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• Follow Andrea Jones-Rooy on Instagram, LinkedIn, and https://www.jonesrooy.com/
• Follow Justin Gregg on Instagram, Substack, and at https://www.justingregg.com/
• Listen to Andrea's podcast, Behind the Data
• Buy Justin's books here

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Maria Sharapova is one of only 10 women to complete a Career Grand Slam in tennis, and was inducted into the Tennis Hall of Fame in 2025. After retiring in 2020, she has also become a mother, an investor, and podcast host. In this episode, Adam talks with Maria about resilience, motivation, and the evolution of her rivalry with Serena Williams. Maria reflects on the moments in her career that forced her to take a step back and rethink her mindset, from hard losses and wisdom from coaches to relationships with her peers and opponents. Adam offers insight on two different kinds of winning in psychology, and why sports aren’t really as zero-sum as they seem.

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• Follow Maria Sharapova on Instagram, YouTube, and X
• Subscribe to Maria's Substack Pretty Tough
• Buy her book Unstoppable: My Life So Far

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Your beliefs about yourself and the world have a big impact on your mental health, relationships, and success. As a positive psychology evangelist, Shawn Achor has spent his career studying how to challenge and change the core beliefs that might be holding you back, and shares his insights in his new book, The Power of Beliefs. In this episode, Shawn and Adam dive into the surprising connections between happiness and success, and discuss the science of optimism and pessimism. Shawn also describes seven key important beliefs that underlie happiness, breaks down strategies for shifting beliefs, and asks Adam to weigh in on how to convince leaders to care about the well-being of their people.

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• Follow Shawn Achor on Instagram, LinkedIn, and at https://www.shawnachor.com/
• Buy The Power of Beliefs

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Many people regularly plunge into ice-cold water to soothe soreness or boost energy—but for some, the plunge itself is a sport. As a sports journalist, Chris Ballard was reporting on cold water immersion when he got into ice swimming himself and ended up competing on the US team at world championships. In this episode, Adam dives into Chris’s book The Plunge, and the two discuss the psychology behind risk taking, endurance, and resilience in the face of discomfort. They explore why people seek out extreme challenges that push their minds and bodies to the limit, and separate myth from science about the health benefits of cold water immersion.

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• Follow Chris Ballard on Instagram, LinkedIn, and https://www.chrisballardwritings.com/
• Buy The Plunge: Maverick Swimmers, an Unlikely Quest, and the Transformative Power of Cold Water

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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AI has become a part of all of our lives in recent years—even for kids. Dana Suskind is a pediatric cochlear implant surgeon and the author of the new book Human Raised, a science-backed guide to parenting in the age of AI. In this episode, Adam and Dana take a closer look at the impact AI can have on kids, and they break down the key components of healthy development that only human caregivers can provide. Dana also shares her HOPE framework for navigating our relationship with this new technology and she emphasizes the importance of friction in relationships when it comes to learning valuable soft skills.

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• Follow Dana Suskind on Instagram, LinkedIn, and at https://humanraised.org/
• Buy Human Raised

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Corruption in organizations is one of the biggest problems of our time, and many people believe it may be unsolvable—but Eric Ries doesn’t think so. As entrepreneur and author, Eric has dedicated his career to helping businesses succeed and do the right thing. His new book, Incorruptible, focuses on how to help organizations stay aligned with their ideals. In this episode, Adam and Eric break down why it’s so easy for modern companies to go astray from their missions, the incentives that encourage organizations to deprioritize their principles, and what differentiates companies that have managed to avoid corruption over long periods of time. Eric recommends a series of practices that any workplace can adopt, and shares what he learned from establishing a stock exchange anchored on long-term value instead of short-term returns.

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• Follow Eric Ries on LinkedIn
• Buy Incorruptible

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Ann Patchett is an award-winning novelist—her most recent bestseller is Whistler—and she also owns an independent bookstore in Nashville. In this episode, Adam asks Ann about where she finds her ideas and how she shapes them into great stories. Along with the craft of writing, they discuss the mindsets and skillsets involved in seeing and bringing out the best in others. Ann also recounts the challenge she set herself to rethink her stance on social interaction.

Featured guest

• Follow Ann Patchett on at https://www.annpatchett.com/
• Follow Parnassus Books on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and at https://parnassusbooks.net/
• Buy Whistler

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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Before Alexander Stubb became the president of Finland, he left his position as prime minister thinking he’d never return to politics. But after returning to academia and writing his book The Triangle of Power, public service eventually called him back. In this episode, Adam asks Alex about his path to leadership and the relevant lessons from his days as a political scientist and an athlete. Alex shares what he learned from golfing with Donald Trump and meeting Vladimir Putin, and makes the case for listening as an underrated skill in leadership.

Featured guest

• Follow President Alex Stubb on Instagram
• Buy President Stubb's book The Triangle of Power

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ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.

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